MPAA celebrates fall of The Pirate Bay

Just hours after popular BitTorrent Tracker ThePirateBay.org's servers were seized in a raid by Swedish police earlier today, the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) issued a somewhat gleeful press release.

Within the document, it stated that The Pirate Bay is one of the world�s largest and most well known, "facilitators of online piracy", and that there are now, "no safe harbors," for such sites.

"The actions today taken in Sweden serve as a reminder to pirates all over the world that there are no safe harbors for Internet copyright thieves," said Dan Glickman, Chairman & CEO of the MPAA. "Intellectual property theft is a problem for film industries all over the world and we are glad that the local government in Sweden has helped stop The Pirate Bay from continuing to enable rampant copyright theft on the Internet."

John Malcolm, Executive Vice President and Director of Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations for the MPAA said, "The bottom line is that the operators of the Pirate Bay and others like them are criminals who profit handsomely by facilitating the distribution of millions of copyrighted creative works and files protected under the law."

He added, "We applaud Swedish law enforcement for their effort to stop egregious copyright infringement on The Pirate Bay."

The full Press Release can be read here.

Written by: Ben Reid @ 31 May 2006 18:14

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118 comments

gogochar

Wow. Are they REALLY gonna think that their pocketbooks will fill up now because of this so-called end of Swedish piracy? We will wait and see how this will affect their annual gains. If you ask the Average Joe, this is just one battle they've won. They have haven't even seen the war yet! On one hand this is a tragic blow to the average fair-use economy. And on the other, it's a tragic blow to the MPAA. Just wait until the world finds out! Once the rest of the world finds out how the MPAA temporarily stopped their fair-usage rights, they will know that there are other ways of getting what you want. And it's all FREE! The MPAA has just done something so big, they didn't see all the possible angles. The angles where it turned honest-paying customers into "thieves" (of course, according to the MPAA). Or the possibility of the power of word-of-mouth. The MPAA messed with the wrong people. And maybe they can't do anything about it. But it's customers damn-well can. And I encourage them to do so. If customers have to go to the moon or something where the MPAA can�t touch them, so be it. The MPAA WILL PAY! And the price is heavy!

31.5.2006 18:52 #1

hummus19

nothing will change. as has been said before, they took down napster, turned kazaa into a joke, suprnova torrentit and now this. im probably forgetting some heavy hitters in that mix.

sucks to be TPB. thats about it. really dont know anyone that used it anyway.

31.5.2006 19:11 #2

kaosX

oh well.. it wasnt the only torrent site.

31.5.2006 19:20 #3

Chavo

I never used that website nor do I buy any movies. Everything is so expensive........wished they lower the prices and perhaps ill buy something.

31.5.2006 19:56 #4

Cinnjerm

I'm not really sure who's was profitting off of this website, but i sure as hell never paid any money using it.

I guess the birght side is is that there others that are far better than Pirate Bay anyway. The MPAA and the RIAA are just having a tough time adjusting to the digital age. Piracy has been around for decades and no matter how much money they spend trying to keep their material protected, there is always someone smarter on the outside.

31.5.2006 20:14 #5

siber

For the US, the Pirate Bay was probably not the most important torrent site. (Too much confusing Norwegian, Swedish and Dutch banter for generally a bit xenophobic Americans. Foreign languages often make Americans feel uncomfortable...)

Make NO mistake though, for Europe the Pirate Bay is a big, big deal. We will find out how pissed off the average torrent downloading Hans or Gunnar will be at the folks of the MPAA/etc.

Until a year ago, I used to download mostly short music clips or video's that I could not easily find in local South Carolina. I was at that time buying at least a couple of DVD's and CD's every week.

Without really intentially wanting to boycott the movie/music industry, I started to get really disgusted with all the rantings and ravings of the MPAA and consorts about how they were losing soooo much money because all us evil people were ripping off all that great new music and these wonderful new movies...

I found myself getting really critical about today's movies and music and, presently, probably because of all the incessant whining from the industry, I hardly ever buy anything anymore. I am fed up with all the stupid weekly new horror movies, etc..I wouldn't dream of even downloading them. Not many programs are worth downloading, really.

The RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft/ etc. 'exclusive' club may be shooting themselves in the foot, if only 5% of us act in a similar matter.

All the rest of you, instead of buying 5 DVD's, buy 4. instead of 10 CD's, buy 7 or 8... I bet you, it'll hurt.

31.5.2006 20:15 #6

nonoitall

1. TPB has hundreds of counterparts.
2. The raid on TPB servers was illegal; under Swedish law, they've done nothing wrong.
3. There's no guarantee whatsoever that the raid will turn up anything illegal, in which case TPB will be online again. Even if they can't get back online in Sweden, they've expressed intentions of moving operations to another country.
4. How exactly did TPB "profit handsomely" by offering free tracking servers with free registration? Sounds more like a non-profit organization to me.
5. Could the movie industry be more arrogant? TPB going offline doesn't mean I'm going to buy any movies - in fact, now I'm less likely to.

31.5.2006 20:18 #7

xaznboitx

Oh goodness... DVD Movies doesn't cost that much.

Blu ray discs cost alot though.

31.5.2006 21:55 #8

egomaniac

WOW just heard the news and i am deeply saddened by this turn of events. TPB has been around for a while now and as far as i can remeber was THE site to get quality dl's from back a couple years ago. Also the fact that they have so much history as far as battling back against the MPAA marks this as a bleak day indeed. Hell, didn't some ppl from that site even help in developing that political Pirate Party(Piratpartiet) over there in Sweden early this year?!?!

However i guess it is that attitude, the deliberate disregard for the MPAA, that made TPB public enemy number one and ultimately led to their downfall. Wow i wonder what went wrong. I hope everyone involved with TPB comes out more or less intact but make no mistake this IS a big deal because they are/were such a HUGE site and as mentioned had many other satellite sites that were almost as big as well.

It was good while it lasted TPB, i'll hold out hope for your return in the future.

*pours out some liquor.......the good stuff*

31.5.2006 22:01 #9

JaguarGod

Hey, I was using The Pirate Bay to host the torrents of my own music that I spent endless hours composing and recording and gave them and everybody that downloaded the files full rights to distribute and do as they wish with the music for no charge. Looks like my lawyers are going to have to sue Sweden, the EU, and RIAA...

Well, I did not actually do that, but that is a possiblity isn't it?? Don't torrent sites have some purpose in the world then? I always thought of torrents as a good way to be able to distribute something like that and could give the newcomer (small guy) some type of marketshare and fight against the monopolies like the RIAA and the MPAA.

I imagine that if I were to release some recordings through torrent sites and attach a readme message like "if you like what you hear, please support me by purchasing my CD for so and so..." and include the names of the tracks along with the length, etc...

31.5.2006 22:30 #10

nazroof

Firstly **** YOU MPAA (I promise no more vulgarity).

I am an accountant by training. So let�s look at the statistics. To avoid biasness, I will only be using the statistics from **** YOU MPAA (I seriously promise no more vulgarity) U.S. Theatrical Market: 2005 Statistics. You can Google it for the PDF copy.

In the summer of 2002, a guy name Bram Cohen invented Bittorent. From 2003 � 2005, global box office saw an increase of 14%, that�s USD 2.9 billion more despite the �alleged� piracy activities done by Piratebay.org.

Yes, there is a revenue decrease of USD 2 billion if compared with 2004. But I suspect that reason has to do more with George ******* Bush (I know I promised but wiki the guy and you will see that is actually his real name). The so called WAR ON TERROR is the culprit for the oil shock around the world. In Malaysia (an oil exporter nation), petrol price has increase over 40% within less than 2 years.

So here is the current illustration of a �file-sharer� lifestyle. John like any other 20 something file-sharers needs to buy petrol to drive to work. At the end of every week he wants to unwind (to avoid a shooting amok on Monday like those crazy Columbine bastards) by going to the movie and watch the latest action flick, something like X-MEN 3. Yet John always finds his wallet almost empty because of the petrol hike. Still he desperately needs to unwind to avoid a shooting amok on Monday like those crazy Columbine bastards. The solution is Piratebay.org. Therefore in essence, Piratebay.org has actually literally saves thousands of lives, if not millions from becoming victims of shooting amok across the world. In other words, if **** YOU MPAA (let�s just call them this from now onwards) spends more time campaigning for world peace and environmental issues like Gore is doing than anti-piracy campaign, I am confident that we can see growth again in the global box office revenue collection.

My conclusion: Keep on downloading if you don't have the extra cash...

31.5.2006 22:36 #11

svtstang

No kiddng, at $20 bucks for a dvd and $50 bucks for a video game, its pretty obvious that the average person will find a way to get the media they want for free. Give me a break, but if the big companys that produce movies and video games (that are in such high demand) lower the prices a bit, there is no doubt that piracy will drop, and these companys will see their profits increase (not like they need the extra couple million anyways). Damn, Im sure if a game producer drops their price to 30 bucks per copy , their still making a pretty penny.

31.5.2006 22:49 #12

elliott

Wow!!! They took down Supernova, now the pirate bay, well Thankfully I have alternates, I have been boycotting dvds for some time since supernova went down even bought a DivX certified dvd player for better picture and sound now this well I will have to ask all sharers to keep sharing we are millions and if we stop spending dollars, euros, and pounds on thier products they will find out just how pissed we are.

31.5.2006 23:37 #13

Lethal_B

svtstang & nazroof -

I know this is a subject most feel strongly about, but please, no swearing.

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1.6.2006 00:00 #14

svtstang

sorry lethal, edited

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1.6.2006 00:02 #15

cjdl420

Elliot has hit the proverbial nail on the head, folks.

If the greedy sons-o-bitches want to force people to pay for their crap, then I say "WORLD-WIDE BOYCOTT"

I mean, how much money is enough anyway? Is it not enough that movie and record industry persons and artists drive million dollar cars and make more money in a year than some of the world's countries? What, they need the "extra" money they are "losing" because of "internet piracy"? C'MON!

420 STUDIOS

1.6.2006 00:02 #16

aabbccdd

i went to the site heres what it says....

SITE DOWN

In the morning of 2006-05-31 the Swedish National Criminal Police showed a search warrant to Rix|Port80 personnell. The warrant was valid for all datacentres of Rix|Port80 and was directed at The Pirate Bay. The allegation was breach of copy-right law, alternatively assisting breach of copy-right law.

The police officers were allowed access to the racks where the TPB servers and other servers are hosted. All servers in the racks were clearly marked as to which sites run on each. The police took down all servers in the racks, including the non-commercial site Piratbyr�n, the mission of which is to defend the rights of TPB via public debate.

According to police officers simultaneously questioning the president of Rix|Port80, the purpose of the search warrant is to take down TPB in order to secure evidence of the allegations mentioned above.

The necessity for securing technical evidence for the existance of a web-service which is fully official, the legality of which has been under public debate for years and whose principals are public persons giving regular press interviews, could not be explained. Asked for other reasoning behind the choice to take down a site, without knowing wether it is illegal or not, the officers explained that this is normal.

The TPB can receive compensation from the Swedish state in case that the upcoming legal processes show that TPB is indeed legal.

1.6.2006 00:13 #17

kelly17

hey ppl just check this out www.torrenspy.com actually i discovered this yesterday when i typed 'torrenspy' instead of 'torrentspy' i dunno what it means but i have a bad feeling that torrentspy is going to become a pay to use site..

1.6.2006 02:52 #18

KillMan

wow, it's setup just like those sites that you have to pay for, that's pretty scary...but I don't use torrents anyway, so it does harm me in anyway.

1.6.2006 03:17 #19

KillMan

http://thepiratebay.com/ hey visit their site, they are pretty confident they won't br shutdown...

1.6.2006 03:20 #20

Mik3h

Quote from Piratebay homepage
Quote:SITE DOWN - WILL BE UP AND FULLY FUNCTIONAL WITHIN A DAY OR TWO

In the morning of 2006-05-31 the Swedish National Criminal Police showed a search warrant to Rix|Port80 personnell. The warrant was valid for all datacentres of Rix|Port80 and was directed at The Pirate Bay. The allegation was breach of copy-right law, alternatively assisting breach of copy-right law.

The police officers were allowed access to the racks where the TPB servers and other servers are hosted. All servers in the racks were clearly marked as to which sites run on each. The police took down all servers in the racks, including the non-commercial site Piratbyr�n, the mission of which is to defend the rights of TPB via public debate.

According to police officers simultaneously questioning the president of Rix|Port80, the purpose of the search warrant is to take down TPB in order to secure evidence of the allegations mentioned above.

The necessity for securing technical evidence for the existance of a web-service which is fully official, the legality of which has been under public debate for years and whose principals are public persons giving regular press interviews, could not be explained. Asked for other reasoning behind the choice to take down a site, without knowing wether it is illegal or not, the officers explained that this is normal.

The TPB can receive compensation from the Swedish state in case that the upcoming legal processes show that TPB is indeed legal.

1.6.2006 03:33 #21

sammorris

They'll be back, I'll be surprised if they're not. Maybe under a different name, but they'll return. The Swedish government have saved the film industry 0.02% of film sales by shutting down this site, finally, that last golden brick of Tom Cruise's swimming pool can be laid.

If the prices of anything were reasonable, that is to say, such that they were worth buying, I would. I've paid for hundreds of overpriced CDs in my time, now I'm not paying for them, so I can get the effective price I paid down to something reasonable.

I never paid to use TPB, though I would happily donate to their cause. I'm a European and used TPB a lot. But in reality, though the closure of these sites pisses us off, it's not the main anti-fair use evil. Copy protection is. These sites being taken down only affects the users. Copy protection affects all legitimate consumers and no illegitimate consumers (because they get round it) so the only people who lose out are the people who paid money in the first place. This is what we have to battle against. Sites appear here there and everywhere, so they shouldn't be our main focus.

Oh and yes, like nonoitall, every time I see something like this, I buy genuine stuff less, as will almost everyone who used TPB, it's that sort of mentality, and I'm proud to be part of it. On the face of it, what has that actually achieved?

JaguarGod, it's a nice thought, but come on, who'd actually do that? The Pirate Bay? Whether they support their cause or not, they're going to think, nah, that site'll get shut down, I'll pick a more reliable source.
Heck, even just host your own website in like Angelfire or something crap, just to get started.

Nazroof: LOL!!!! good theory, maybe I should stick to it.

My opinion? Madness, and it won't do a thing for their sales, it's just another facelift to raise the evil sneer on Dan Glickman's face another tenth of an inch. It's already up to his ears. I may later demonstrate how I feel about Dan Glickman. Best not here though...

1.6.2006 03:41 #22

sammorris

I'll see if this works, if not it's going in the public forums. Genius.

1.6.2006 03:43 #23

wunko

OK ppl before my comments get me under attack for some reason I just want to say I don't agree with the MPAA or any other company that pulls down these sites, I use them...

I mean alot of people complain saying if the stuff was better they'd pay for it, but who dl's a movie they might hate?? Granted you might want to test it before paying for it, but once you've dl it how likely are you to then pay the $15 (Thats Aussie dollar) to see it??

And with video games if your pissed about the profit margins be pissed at the stores who sell them. I work for EB Games and I can tell you that we make a killing on games (roughly $40 for a new release). But, thats because we make nothing on the consoles.

And cds, when you go into your local music store, ask to listen to it a bit first. Most let you, if it isn't completely to your liking dl, if it is pay for it.

Sorry that became a bit of a rant.

1.6.2006 03:44 #24

sammorris

Yes, but this is more a protest. I agree with that, but sometimes I feel not buying anything is the only way to teach this guy a lesson.
I'll stop now.

Actually I just trashed the front page news article.
Better not keep that there.
If you want to see something totally moronic absurd and ridiculous, go here.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2092/themanyfacesofdanglickman...

1.6.2006 03:51 #25

The_Fiend

If only it was possible to get people all over the globe to stop buying games, dvd's and cd's, even if just for a few days... And have them all post messages online as to WHY they where boycotting these pr@ts...
Maybe that would get the message across to these greedy b@stards.

1.6.2006 03:53 #26

sammorris

Lol you can't get everybody to it, you just can't. I'd love to, but it'll take someone like, well a dictator to rally that sort of attention. And we don't want war, not over something like this. Lol, DVDs versus stinger missiles. That'd be quite cool, get a CMC Coaster-launcher and let rip!

1.6.2006 03:55 #27

angelXL

I think its quite funny really that the MPAA should be celebrating winning the battle, when in reality they are losing the war big time!

Pirate Bay will be back in another form its just a case of how long it will take thats all.

Sucks to be a MPAA employee!

1.6.2006 05:33 #28

sammorris

Indeed it is. Sucks even more to be someone that's been distorted in Photodraw. Joking aside, the MPAA had nothing to do with this, so they're just celebrating other people carrying out their dirty business. Shame on them.

1.6.2006 05:36 #29

angelXL

I think also - I forgot to say - that the MPAA has been after PirateBay for a long long time, especially as the bay delights in posting its responses to legal challenges from different companies trying to get them shut down.

I'd like to see the bay come back bigger and brighter with a nice message back to the MPAA :)

1.6.2006 05:36 #30

sammorris

And I have no doubts that it will.

1.6.2006 05:37 #31

angelXL

I love the part on the piratebay news now that says the piratebay can receive compensation from the swedish government if they are proved legal!

Love it- and in all honesty I think piratebay cannot be charged as they dont host anything illegal.

1.6.2006 05:45 #32

GrayArea

World celebrates fall of the MPAA.

THAT'S the headline I'm looking forward to. Can't wait.

1.6.2006 07:14 #33

chickenR

TPB was not just a place for sharing, their responses to the legal threats were funny as!

I'm sure they'll be back and even better than before!

1.6.2006 07:15 #34

neo1000

Why swearing isn`t allowed on this site? I mean is the only way i can get my anger directed to this mother....truckers?

1.6.2006 07:19 #35

Secifier

is: The Pirate Bay now down for ever??

1.6.2006 07:49 #36

Mik3h

Probably. It does say on the site they will be back within a few days, but chances are they won't be up for long.

-Mike

1.6.2006 07:54 #37

Secifier

I don't hope so..

I always download my torrentzz on piratebay!!

1.6.2006 07:56 #38

MightyOne

Perhaps a new website name could be:

www.TheMPPABay.com

I think that would get them squirming a bit....

1.6.2006 08:04 #39

Mik3h

There will still be the other torrent sites out there..

Mininova, IsoHunt, TorrentLeech, TorrentBytes,TorrentReactor, Torrenttyphoon, MyTorents, BitTorrents, 2Torrents, HorrorTorrents, Movietorrents, Underground-Gamer, TorrentBytes, OINK, Wild-Bytes, BitGamer, Newnova, BushTorrents, Torrentspy,Torrentbox,Midnight-Torrents, BitSoup, NextGen-Torrents, Seedler, BT-Junkie, Torrentz,Demonoid, Filelist, TVTorrents, Emporium, Pu$$y-Torrents, Meganova, NovaTorrents, Rebel-Torrent,Data Galaxy, Publicdomain torrents,
Filesoup.co.uk,Bitme.org,Learnbits.org,ElBitZ,Archatos,
World Boxing Video,Basket Torrent,Sports Tracker,Maxxed Football,Football Torrents,Hunt Park, Insider, Futbol KungFu Torrents MMA Tracker Pro Wrestling Torrents,Xtreme Wrestling, Torrents Speed, Freaks Billiards Tracker.

Need I say more? Because..I will if need be :P

-Mike

1.6.2006 08:05 #40

Secifier

is there torrent site where you can report a reply??

like piratebay!

1.6.2006 08:06 #41

Mik3h

TorrentLeech, Torrentspy, Torrentbytes, MiniNova. I think all of the registered trackers allow comments.

-Mike

1.6.2006 08:09 #42

Davedough

TPB will be back. There were talks earlier this morning between a news column and the CTO of a foreign (outside Sweden) ISP already loading backups that were made of TPB servers and testing going on now.

I expect another 2 days and they'll be back up and running.

1.6.2006 08:26 #43

Lethal_B

Quote:Why swearing isn`t allowed on this site? I mean is the only way i can get my anger directed to this mother....truckers?'Cause the site attracts many different audiences, including young kids.. plus, there's no need! You can easily vent your anger towards the MPAA w/o cursing :-)

1.6.2006 08:41 #44

sammorris

Well they don't exactly host anything illegal, but you've got to question the legality of hosting files that allow direct access to them. IP addresses are logged, so you can't exactly hide if someone orders a bust.

GrayArea: and when I see that headline, I will strip bare and dance outside in the garden saying YEAH! Take that you <insert profanity here>s!!!!
I ACTUALLY WOULD. Except i wouldn't because if it does happen, itll just eventually quieten down and go away, they won't let pirates experience that sort of joy, it'll bring about a mass filesharing riot.

neo1000: You're not intelligent enough to hurl abuse at the MPAA without swearing? Gotta start learning!

Mik3h. LOL. Just, lol. However, the MPAA now have that list and are systematically hacking into each of those sites to find enough evidence to mount a lawsuit. Even if they're in different countries they'll manage it.

I hope they come back. And make another backup, various places over the world that are top secret. Like that random place Kazaa was registered where you're not allowed to ask where anyone lives. That'll do!

1.6.2006 08:44 #45

Davedough

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1204 they'll be back.

1.6.2006 08:55 #46

UK_Gamer

I hope hackers shut MPPA down!

1.6.2006 09:11 #47

ville30

I defenatly enjoyed PirateBay cause they really showed effort and I found lots of good comments to keep me from downloading fake crap.

1.6.2006 09:16 #48

sammorris

Yeah, what's to stop l33t hax0rs tapping into the MPAA and bringing down their sites? Im surprised no one's bothered to do that yet...

1.6.2006 09:25 #49

Lethal_B

sammorris, that would eliminate the fun element of watching the major corps battle in vain to combat "rampant copyright theft on the Internet". :-)

1.6.2006 09:44 #50

sammorris

Fun element? You've lost me...

1.6.2006 10:50 #51

svtstang

Glad ThePirateBay is stading up to big busines, seems like they will come out ahead in this one. Whether or not they have to relocate to another country, ThePiratebay will continue to be a pillar in the torrent community (cue triumphent music)!!!!

1.6.2006 10:55 #52

Lethal_B

sam, t'was a joke. No-one would dare hack the MPAA IMO, as they would really make one's life hell :)

1.6.2006 11:14 #53

vegeta66

i agree pirate bay will come back bigger, better and stronger

and as for the MPAA... fu

1.6.2006 11:38 #54

Mik3h

The RIAA have been hacked into through an exploit in the robots.txt file hehehe.

The hackers then hosted MP3s on the server..!

-Mike

1.6.2006 12:02 #55

sammorris

Lol, how did they do that?

1.6.2006 13:04 #56

jiggygeek

It doesn't matter. Piracy of video and illegal copying of video isn't going away as long as Tivo, VCR's and DVR's exist. What I don't get is how the movie companies are constantly remaking old movies. Like the movie coming out "Poseidon". Its a copy of the older version, but with new actors. Does that mean the older version is now legal to copy?

1.6.2006 13:22 #57

sammorris

Lol, two wrongs don't make wrong right. Of course the MPAA doesn't care for rules, so maybe so... Don't take my word for it though, or I'll be sued!

1.6.2006 13:45 #58

svtstang

Quote:Its a copy of the older version, but with new actors. Does that mean the older version is now legal to copy?Im not sure sure how u derived at that logic, but of course, the answer is no. Will this stop any1, again no. Big Movie, Music and Game companies still dont understand that we r what make their industries successful, and if they want our business, stop being arses and make the prices for the media we want more accessable.

1.6.2006 13:47 #59

UK_Gamer

MPAA have no authority over me as I'm in the U.K!

1.6.2006 14:08 #60

jAmEsTn

Quote:MPAA have no authority over me as I'm in the U.K! MPAA have no authority over me either, and i'm in the U.S! I get where yer comin from though.. these pigs have international counterparts just as evil as themselves!!

1.6.2006 14:23 #61

sammorris

or me, I'm UK too, but FACT can still stop me, and they probably get commands from the MPAA anyway.

1.6.2006 14:55 #62

Deznaj

Dan Glickman...I wonder how many skeletons that f*ck has in his closet. Time to take HIM down...hard!

1.6.2006 16:40 #63

billyt007

like others have already said if the video,movie, and music companys would wise up and not charge out ragious prices for thier products there would be no pirateing.

1.6.2006 17:36 #64

1ManKlan

The MPAA authority is only as strong as their bank accounts and any country willing to except donations from them.

This I find hard to belive: The Swedish authorities "We better stop these pirates before they hurt those Muti-Billion dollar U.S. Companies"

As far as the price of DVDs and CD causing piracy. I dont care if they only cost $5 I would still download them. Cause Im to cheap to buy anything I can get for free.

1.6.2006 23:44 #65

Secifier

yiaaaaah!!

TPB ownezzz

2.6.2006 04:43 #66

sammorris

Lol skeletons in the closet. A few spare copies of pirate CDs too.

2.6.2006 07:30 #67

Earlacey

Not sure how Pirate Bay was profiting, wasn't the site, ummm free?

2.6.2006 08:06 #68

sammorris

Yep.

2.6.2006 08:53 #69

jtalb5322

You know what burns me. Movies, and Prices of movies. Actors wages,(More than I'll make in a lifetime). Keep going up, and up, and up. I do my part in society. My wages haven't gone up in two years. So whenever I find a way to either simply watch a movie once, or spend the money on media to burn it on, and put it in "my collection". Not to resell. I find that justice on all the money me and my familly has put into the movie buisiness over the years. I wish P.B. all the luck.

2.6.2006 14:08 #70

sammorris

Yep, particularly soon to be university goers like me. �20,000 worth of education and accomodation plus whatever living expenses is going to be a hard debt to repay, even if the government's loan scheme is helpful.

2.6.2006 14:41 #71

lottt11

NOW !! NOW!! people lets be realistic lets just do it, I mean realy hit this goombasss where it digs in, in there small pea brain, ho ho sorry in there greedy pockets, I shall tell what I have done for the past 5 years , I was one those people that was in rolled to does club like time live Columbia house virgin records Sony music and so on DVD clubs, well I used to spend a bought $1500.00 dollars give or take in year time, that does not include movie theater with my kids that came $75.00 at a time and average 12 times a year, that has come to $12,000.00 in past 5 years, sence this BS started so what do think would happen 20% of the population did this around the world. Lets face it the mayoralty of the movies are crap or por remakes of old movies, or tell of any great landmark movie now days, there is not a sin gal one out there, most of the time it the hipe that we here on the new or does so great reviews that are from self interest promotional move of the industry to promote the new garbage for us to spend money in there last blonder, lets take a small toll of so call great movies there was jaws, rocky, posiden,1942, well I can mane at list 32 poorly remakes and or seeculls that some so call B and D rated movies where veter or at list more entertaining, but just because they where not made in hoooliwoood they where classified with does standers, I have seen better stories in the discovery channel & in the history channel then in some of the movies that have come out in past 6 years. To make this short, what is that great music, well it is on the radio for free and by the time it is on the shelve, an it has been played more times than i have care to listen to it, or are you going to tell me there have been some great classics coming out lately, in the movie or music industry. In general it is all crap 5 or 6 year there is movie that merriest the purchase to keep in my library but now NOOOOPE , HO!! I AM P2P USER AND SOME OF THE MUSIC THAT I HAVE PURCHASED WAS DO TO P2P, IT WAS BECAUSE IT, THAT I T WAS THE ONLY WAY, I WAS GOING TO LISTEN TO IT, AND THEN PURCHASED IT, the last CD that I had purchased came all the way from Japan and pay $50.00, not no more Sony kiss my ass that was you last sale on my account.

3.6.2006 07:25 #72

Lethal_B

Quote:Not sure how Pirate Bay was profiting, wasn't the site, ummm free?Advertisments on the site. :)

3.6.2006 07:27 #73

sammorris

So wait, what's wrong with the discovery channel again?

3.6.2006 08:42 #74

lottt11

No there's nothing wrong with the discovery channel, What I mean is that I can find more interesting things to watch there, then in some of the movies that being remade to at least there is plot that makes sence or at least that interesting, not something that has all ready been done, just because they use SGI defects does not make it better, don't get wrong I like good affects like any one out there, but to put out a movie just because it can be done does not justified it, at least have a new plot or is there no one with something to say, with at least just a little creativity lets face it we can better plots in the SIFI channel, directors in most other countries do a better job with out the resources that Hoooliboobs have.

3.6.2006 11:06 #75

sammorris

Mmm, I agree, there are some pants high budget films out there. And you can bet that none of that high budget comes out of the MPAA's pockets. Oh no, these are just greedy people making money out of pointing out "wrongdoing".

3.6.2006 12:22 #76

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3.6.2006 13:22 #77

xhardc0re

"Intellectual property theft is a problem for film industries all over the world"
I agree.
The scriptwriters & anonymous artists who send their screenplays to Hollywood, who are then RIPPED OFF, and have their works made into films without proper royalties, should sue the PANTS off the MPAA & the Hollywood scum.
The MPAA can bust every piracy site in the world, but that doesn't mean the downloader will EVER buy their movies. Just boycott their recycled CR*P movies & read a good book.

4.6.2006 21:26 #78

svtstang

Quote:The MPAA can bust every piracy site in the world, but that doesn't mean the downloader will EVER buy their movies. Just boycott their recycled CR*P movies & read a good book.Great point. I would read a book, but it is just sooo much easier to play a game or watch tv LOL

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4.6.2006 21:31 #79

sammorris

I do one, and then the other. But do you think I paid for the film? (I paid for the book).

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5.6.2006 00:17 #80

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Quote:I do one, and then the other. But do you think I paid for the film? (I paid for the book).LOL, im with u on that 1 Sam, but im not gonna read the book unless i get it for free:p College stole enough hard earned money from me!!!

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5.6.2006 01:13 #81

sammorris

Don't start on that one! Thankfully the British government gives you an at-inflation loan to try and deal with the massive cost of education.

5.6.2006 01:14 #82

craykidd

Had to laugh - site was back up within days, and with the money the site makes in advertisements, I'm sure it would be a match for the MPAA in court. If only Hollywood and the like would stop all this nonsense, the money they would save would enable them to keep their products more reasonably priced...would probably be a mre effective means of dampening the piracy problem.

30.7.2006 21:54 #83

tycobb

Good.

I aint buyin shizzle.Man damn these companies are rich as hell, wtf do I have?It's not that I condone it so much but still...if your rich or have descent pay then by all means go buy the stuff but not everyone can afford all the stuff that makes people happy.

Most of the stuff people pirate they wouldn't have purchased anyways.They do it because it's free.They all got stuff on there hdd that they would have never paid for if piracy didn't exist.

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30.7.2006 22:33 #84

DamonDash

Forget them rich ass basterds.Most of them greed fools get there money on movies during open week.Ex: Madea's Family reunion made by Tyler Perry this movie only cost him 2.5 million to make but opening weekend he made 68 million dollars thats just opening weekend.Not counting how many weeks it stay out at the movies and also DVD sales.But if i go and watch his movie(10 a ticket here)and dont like it i dont think he or the movies will refund my money back.Piracy is a tool we can use to strike back at these rich fools in hollywood who want to suck us dry but dont give us anything in return but recycled movies.

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30.7.2006 22:57 #85

sammorris

I daresay I've given Sony enough money over the years to torrent Sony Sound Forge!

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30.7.2006 23:35 #86

xhardc0re

P2P will never die, no matter what Microsoft, the MPAA/RIAA does.

The best revenge against these @$$holes is just not to see their recycled, sequel #10 at the movie theater. When it comes to home video, download it instead. I've seen 3 movies in the past year because 99% of what's at the theater is garbage. I saw: Harry Potter 4 and two others. They must not have been that good if I can't remember ;)

30.7.2006 23:43 #87

tycobb

Well everyone has their brand that they have paid to much with .For me it's microsoft.I have purchased so much ms stuff that I don't even feel bad for the company when it's pirated.

Not to mention microsoft is rich as hell and I'm pretty sure they are the ones would basically pioneered anti-piracy technologies along with macrovision don't hold my feet to the fire on that one, that's just what I heard.

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30.7.2006 23:47 #88

sammorris

Don't get me started on Microsoft. Here's why I didn't buy windows XP:

1. I already have, of sorts. it came with my old PC but no disc because of the OEM restriction that allows them to get it cheap.
2. Normal copies of XP can only be activated twice, so if you change your hardware, or reformat, you can only do such twice, then that's it, another �100 must be spent on another copy of XP.
3. Why does it still cost so much after FIVE YEARS!!!!
4. Why would the world's richest man need more money? He can buy the president if he wants!

30.7.2006 23:55 #89

tycobb

LOL it's a monopolizing company.

now they have their own anti-virus and they make us pay!!!!
Wtf so now they have an incentive for viruses to be out there I wouldn't be surprised if they made some to boost sales j/k.

It's like the "little guy" never gets anything but crumbs with this company around.Small bussinesses are pushed out to make room for the corporate giant take nintendo for example they practically made the console industry what it is.Now ms is competing with ipod.

what's next microsft dish washers and coffee makers lol.

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31.7.2006 00:03 #90

sammorris

Oh don't, when I heard of all the editions of XP there were, I made the joke "Windows XP Food Processor edition"

31.7.2006 00:06 #91

xhardc0re

Don't buy Windows Vista. M$oft has already put DRM technology into the core of the system. All they have to do one day is "throw the switch" & they could take control of any computer on Earth. Any PC w/pir8 sw according to M$ would be locked out from use, until you either buy it or remove it from your system.
This is NOT a joke. Read http://discuss.extremetech.com/forums/4/1004307677/ShowPost.aspx and look@ the post by beanman101283. It's only a matter of time before M$ decides they want to wipe out illegal sw. It's up to you, to decide if you want this Vista $**T.
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31.7.2006 00:09 #92

sammorris

You won't catch me using Vista till there's a workaround, and there so will be. With Windows there's a chance I might not be able to ue my computer, with mac or linux I'll NEVER be able to use my PC for what I want it to do!!!

31.7.2006 00:11 #93

tycobb

Mean while we're all broke as hell.

These days there is always some "new" technology that's supposedly so much better than the one they came out with just 3 months ago.First HDTV 720p now it's 1080p it's going to keep going up dude."HT technology" see what I mean.

These are the companies I'm supposed to feel sorry for when they get a dose of there own medicine(piracy) and get hosed down like they do us.

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31.7.2006 00:15 #94

sammorris

Actually I seem to recall 720 and 1080 HD coming out at similar times. Nobody says you NEED 1080p, you could just use a normal TV!

31.7.2006 00:16 #95

tycobb

Sorry for the rant lol.

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31.7.2006 00:16 #96

tycobb

True. It's just marketing gimmics ,but I was making an example.

I don't have HDTV yet but I will get one when they are more affordable.

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31.7.2006 00:19 #97

sammorris

As a matter of fact we do, but not through choice, we won it! Lol it's not "HD ready" though, just HD compatible, i.e. it's 1366x768 and has component, but not HDMI or DVI.

31.7.2006 00:21 #98

tycobb

Well that's cool you won it.Componant can reach 1080p anyways so no worries.You'll just need a set top box for the signal no biggie.

If pirates hurt sales so much than why are movies making so much at the box office.Take the new pirates of the caribbian for example breaking box office records.You buy something on vhs, then you buy it on dvd, now they want you to rebuy it on bluray I don't think so.I'll just get the DivX one lol.

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31.7.2006 00:27 #99

sammorris

The simple answer is they don't. It's under 1% in most cases.

31.7.2006 00:29 #100

craykidd

quote:"
now they have their own anti-virus and they make us pay!!!!
Wtf so now they have an incentive for viruses to be out there I wouldn't be surprised if they made some to boost sales j/k. "

Truth be told, they wouldn't be the first to pull that stunt...rumours have been around regarding a couple of other AV companies for a while now

31.7.2006 00:30 #101

sammorris

Which ones then?

31.7.2006 00:32 #102

xhardc0re

speaking of M$ & their anti-virus, I never heard of so many bugs/worms in Win98 and previous versions like I do XP. WTF did the Windows Metafile exploit come from? There are still ppl who have legal ver of Windoze with unpatched systems. People are getting pwned because M$ has a $h*tty OS filled with all kinds of bad programing.
Linux & MAC don't have this problem. Not because the hackers aren't interested, but because M$ OS = rootkit enabled LOL

31.7.2006 00:32 #103

tycobb

@ sammoris
really?

Wow I didn't know that.So all this fuss over a tiny 1% geez it goes to show you how selfish they are.I think they spend more in the courts and on the technology to try and prevent us then what it's worth.

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31.7.2006 00:33 #104

sammorris

No, XP is very insecure, since it's more complex it has more holes!

31.7.2006 00:33 #105

sammorris

For the big releases it's 2-3% tops. It's not worth the hassle, but the MPAA obviously feel it is. They don't give a bean back to the record producers, they just sit there making a big pile of cash out of both parties.

31.7.2006 00:34 #106

tycobb

Well now I really don't feel bad for them.It's a drop in the bucket for gods sake.Look at 50 cent(rapper) he's the most pirated guy out right now but yet he's the biggest seller.

Sometimes you have to spend a little in order to make something.It's free publicity.Folks who pirate 50 then tell there friends how hot it is and then those friends go out and buy his album.

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31.7.2006 00:38 #107

sammorris

Precisely, and in any case, people (with music, anyway) usually only pirate what they want or someone else wants. So people only pirate what people would buy. Piracy is only a problem if people would buy something, and if they would buy it, other people WILL buy it, so the problem cures itself!

31.7.2006 00:44 #108

tycobb

Yeah I aggree me personally though I have stuff I would have never paid for if it wern't free.

@xhardcore I use avast anti-virus it's free and does a great job.Try it out.

I was wondering how I can play games and use apps without windows.Most only run on windows unfortunately.

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31.7.2006 00:50 #109

sammorris

That's exactly the point I was making.

31.7.2006 00:50 #110

tycobb

Oh ok.Well I gotta go it's like 5.00 a.m where I live, plus some idiot needs help on one of the other threads.

See ya around.

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31.7.2006 00:56 #111

sammorris

Some idiot? That's not very nice! Show me where and I may be able to help. 5am, honestly, what's with the people on this site???

31.7.2006 00:57 #112

tycobb

Nah I already helped him.Well I'm not actually mean to them or anything lol.Sometimes you see the same question so often that you wonder why they created the seach function,But I'm always nice cause they don't know any better.

I woke up about 3pm yesterday I'm jobless right now so that should explain it.Peace out.

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31.7.2006 01:04 #113

sammorris

Ah right, then you're forgiven LOL! I do share your irritance when you see the same questions over and over.

31.7.2006 01:05 #114

xhardc0re

Anyone been following this thread?: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/371035

31.7.2006 15:05 #115

craykidd

qoute: "Which ones then?"

Symantec is one that comes to mind - suspicions have surrounded them for some time

31.7.2006 19:48 #116

sammorris

I'd be very surprised of that were true of NAV, their programs aren't great any more, but I highly doubt they're doing anything underhand.

31.7.2006 23:00 #117

tycobb

It'd be nice to see a link to that so I could read it.I'm just curious...

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