Will Wii Win?

Analysts at the DFC Intelligence shocked quite a few eyepairs when it reported last month that the upcoming war of next generation consoles is half over before it even started. The San Diego-based company stated that Sony would end up last because of the high price of PlayStation 3 and leave Microsoft and Nintendo fighting for the gold.

Now DFC has released an industry briefing which continued their theme. In the briefing the company said Sony is giving up one of consoles' strengths if they'll stick with the plan of providing upgrades to the PS3. DFC was refering to Sony CEO Ken Kutaragi who implied that their next-gen console would be more like a computer than a traditional gaming console. "We believe that under Kutaragi's techno-elite PlayStation 3 strategy, the PlayStation 3 could end up with a market share more resembling Apple products as opposed to the dominant PlayStation 2 market share," stated DFC.

Further into the war, DFC will expect Xbox 360 take the hardcore video game markets and even though the start in Japan has been somewhat sticky, it might be the future market share leader aswell, while Nintendo's Wii could be taking the win with the advantage of the lowest price.

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Written by: Matti Robinson @ 18 Jul 2006 16:18

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125 comments

vgaddict8

LOL!!! Don't make me laugh.................

18.7.2006 17:17 #1

MrToast

I hope the big N does very well this time, I have the ps2, xbox, and gamecube and I liked the gamecube most of all. Yes the games were sparse, yes a bit on the childish side but the wavebird was tits and the nintendo style and feel that came with the snes was there... I do believe that many of the consoles that sony sold was due to the terrificly easy modding that could be done to the ps2. Hell, it was the only reason I bought two of them! I have more than 300 games for the ps1 and ps2 but the system never impressed me much. xbox was a great system too because it had a blend of both worlds, good games and good tech. Gamecube was a great package, just without the games. Now with the PS3 looming I am not even remotely thinking of buying it. I think the xbox 360 has some very nice features and the price is in line with sanity. I do believe the Wii will do very well, its the system I put my money on first this time and I will no doubt get a 360 next and then in a few years I might pick up a PS3 used. I just hope Nintendo kicks some serious tail this time, they deserve it.

18.7.2006 17:59 #2

Nephilim

Just a notice to Wii bashers - you're taking a dangerous road posting here.

18.7.2006 18:26 #3

Venom5880

Quote:DFC will expect Xbox 360 take the hardcore video game markets and even though the start in Japan has been somewhat sticky, it might be the future market share leader aswellThe start? The whole damn run is going to be poor in Japan. They'll do well everywhere but there...

I agree with pretty much everything else they came up with though. The Wii is the only one I'm planning on buying for now.

18.7.2006 19:43 #4

s3a

I still can't decide wether I should buy a Wii or stick with only a PC...I guess I will buy a Wii if it has lots of good games...that are exclusives that do not exist on PC...it still remains to be seen wether Wii or PC is better at fps games...which is one of my favourite areas of gaming!!

If Starcraft Ghost comes to Wii and uses the Wiimote for more than just aiming, I will buy a Wii...second thought: I might still buy a Wii if Starcraft Ghost does come out even if the only way the Wiimote will be used is for aiming.

P.S.
If someone can help sort things out for me, I'd appreciate it...

I like Xbox's/PC's games...I hope Nintendo can deliver on that area of gaming (aka the mature side)...

18.7.2006 20:43 #5

oofRome

I hope Nintendo does well enough so they will continue to make video games and video game consoles, 'till the day I finally put down a controller.

18.7.2006 20:55 #6

gsuscrazy

if you ask me, thats far far off. Wii shouldve been called Niche, because its only going to attract a smaller, specifically targeted market, whereas 360 will really start rubbing ppl the wrong way when HD-DVD ONLY games will be releasing, forcing the microsoft game base to buy an additional drive for what 150, 200 more? Ps3 is at a high price, but it will come down, and when it does its first price drop, those who held on to the last-gen systems will finally upgrade.

18.7.2006 21:45 #7

Cinnjerm

"if you ask me, thats far far off. Wii shouldve been called Niche, because its only going to attract a smaller, specifically targeted market, whereas 360 will really start rubbing ppl the wrong way when HD-DVD ONLY games will be releasing, forcing the microsoft game base to buy an additional drive for what 150, 200 more? Ps3 is at a high price, but it will come down, and when it does its first price drop, those who held on to the last-gen systems will finally upgrade."-

Maybe you weren't here when this was said, but having a choice of whether to buy a drive that supports high definition video is the key. Paying extra for a format that may be extinct in 5 years is just plain stupid. And i don't know what your talking about with nintendo because at e3 it most certainly drew the most attention out of any of the systems, which could be seen as some indicater of what kind of acceptance they should prepare for.

ps- oh yeah, and to the best of my knowlegde i distinctly remember reading that microsoft had no plans on developing HD-DVD only games. You might wanna read up on that.

18.7.2006 23:02 #8

ChromeMud

Adding Bluray to the PS3 was a mistake and if Sony had stuck with DVD they would of gained more market share with a lower price tag.
It's like having a bus to take two kids to school,
Bluray isn't needed for games.
Bethesda's 'Oblivion' took 4 years to make and they could fit their massive game on one DVD.
Nintendo and Microsoft will steal a load of Sony's market share this time making competition hot which will be good for the consumer.

19.7.2006 03:03 #9

sharps

I dont understand why folks on these forums say "I am sticking only with microsoft or sony or nintendo" why not buy all the systems you only live once and each system has pros and cons why limit yourself by being loyal to only one system

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19.7.2006 06:35 #10

ofolion

sharps: i doubt many people have the money to buy ALL three systems!!!

I hope the Wii Will Win! I agree with what the DFC said...

I expect people who are loyal to xBox to say the Wii is stupid and crap and stuff and the people who become loyal to Nintendo to say the same about the xbox...

Only time will really will tell really but i am routing for the Wii!!!

P.S. Loving the title :P

19.7.2006 07:24 #11

akkuma

cant wait to see how this actually plays out. interesting to hear someone report that ps3 might actually come in last place.

19.7.2006 08:03 #12

Persbian

You should check out the wiki page for the wii. The wiimote is gonna be sweet. Duck Hunt might be back! I think the best part about Nintendo has always been their innovation. With the NES, they had the gun, the glove, the track pad. Even with the SNES they had the superscope. I think they got away from that lately, but I am glad that they realize these gimmicks help revolutionize the way you game. I hope to see them come out with a wider variety of games.

I think the controller can be leveraged toward companies to draw them to make games for the wii. People at EA are already excited about the seemingly endless possiblities.

Also, for those of you who are badmouthing the PS3, realize that they are also incorporating some sensory controller functions into their system as well. Look for an early price drop to counter microsofts move to quash their launch. All said, if wii expands their game base to include staples for more hard-core gamers, wii will overcome!

19.7.2006 08:59 #13

jiggygeek

I just sold my PS2 and after hearing the price of the PS3, I've bought the gamecube. I plan to buy the Wii when it comes out. True, most of the games on the Gamecube are 'childish', but thats what made Nintendo so good when it came out. What better game is there than Mario? Xbox in my opinion is all war games, shoot em up, blood and guts. I could care less for that type of game. Maybe in years to come, when the price of the PS3 comes down, I'll buy it. Until then, Nintendo rules.

19.7.2006 09:39 #14

plutonash

"if you ask me, thats far far off. Wii shouldve been called Niche, because its only going to attract a smaller, specifically targeted market, whereas 360 will really start rubbing ppl the wrong way when HD-DVD ONLY games will be releasing, forcing the microsoft game base to buy an additional drive for what 150, 200 more? Ps3 is at a high price, but it will come down, and when it does its first price drop, those who held on to the last-gen systems will finally upgrade."
What the hell theres so many things wrong with this comment its unreal. Nintendo has stated a number of times they are trying to appeal casual gamers and non gamers alike. That isnt a niche market. Its the opposite .Microsoft has stated no HD-DVD games will ever be release on the 360. To be honest theres no need as the games at this are less they 4 gigs. Please get your facts straight before posting.

19.7.2006 10:27 #15

glitchzoo

LOL!!! Don't make me laugh aswell. i reacon sony have sc***ed up big time with the ps3 :( ,
firstly its to expencive,
secondly they cant even emulate s2 games on it properly they have to put the acuall chipset of the ps2 built in $:(
and thirly i read somewhere that the grapics card on the ps3 dosent even 'go well' with the motherboard.
(by go well i mean 'communicate'or not very compatible est).

19.7.2006 13:07 #16

iccee

All I can say that Nintendo is "roots"

I grew up learning my video game skills and all on the Nintendo and it is still a GREAT children's console as well as a pretty good pop-culture console. I will forever get the Nintendo systems as they put them out just because of the Zelda games :)

I don't care who is in the lead as long as Nintendo is making enough money to further develop games and systems for me to play...

19.7.2006 13:08 #17

tycobb

I hope nintendo does well for its self I would hate to see another sega happen.

I think it will go like this

1.ps3
2.wii
3.360

Just an opinion so don't hammer me about it.

pc games with gamepad support by tycobb.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/360823

19.7.2006 13:54 #18

wolf123

2 things are we going too be able too play tregular dvd on the PS3 because if we can play the old games then we should be able too play reg DVDs right.

The other thing is why are they putting the games on the new disk format if they dont need that much space but i CAN SEE DOING THIS IN A FEW YEARS after the system gets out there and then finnally utilizing its potential because they did this before.

Remember when they were increaseing the games sizes on the snes and making it do things they thought it couldnt do its just like every new system they never use its whole power when it first is released.

19.7.2006 16:24 #19

gsuscrazy

first off, if you truly believe microsoft, I feel bad for you. do you honestly believe that in 2 years time, when the new systems start hitting their strides, you wont see massive sized games developed?? especially when ps3 games can handle that capability? you honestly believe microsoft will say "oh man, we would make that dynamite ground breaking game, but geez, we said we wouldnt make HD-DVD games 2 years ago, and shucks, we dont want to look like liars" who cares what words come from talking heads at corporate in the beginning light of a next gen launch, really.

secondly, i stand by the fact Wii is a niche system, the graphics are not true next-gen, and the gaming will not appeal to alot of markets, (especially the fps genre, and the realistic sports markets) they will have their systems compatible with olders roms, and of course theyre cartoonish flagships, zelda, mario,etc.

so to those who called me out, go ahead and reply with the title posting of "yes, I believe microsoft wont lie to me"....then we can talk. lmao

19.7.2006 18:55 #20

khmernize

Can you imagine buying three systems???

Xbox 360 - 300 to 400
Wii - 250???
PS3 - 600 to 700

That adds up to 1,150 to 1,350 for all 3 systems.

19.7.2006 19:25 #21

Proximus

"PS3 - 600 to 700"

what? I pretty sure its 500 to 600 for the PS3. Im just going to have to wait it out for the PS3 and 360 to lower their respective prices. No matter how cheap it is Nintendo can't pawn off the Wii(Revolution) as next generation and maybe that why they changed the name--its far from revolutionary.

19.7.2006 22:33 #22

tnarulz

Microsoft is probably saving the High def games for it's next system when more people will have HDTV's cause let's be honest, what percentage of the US population has them? Last I heard it was around 12-15 percent.

Personally I'll be going with the Wii and possibly buying the 360 in 2-3 years. Hopefully HDTV's will be at an affordable price in 3 years.

20.7.2006 04:07 #23

splutter

The way I see it if the wii is everyone's second console it automatically wins, only a very few people with a lot more money than me can buy a PS3 and an X-Box 360, I'll go for a wii first (no pun intended), then maybe when the price comes down a 360 but the PS3 is way out of my price range. It looks like the wii could easily be number 1 by default. I think the success of the DS has given people a lot of confidence in Nintendo which after the N64 and Gamecube has been sorely lacking.

20.7.2006 05:23 #24

Thonor

Wow. It continues to amaze me how deep the PS3 fanboys are in denial. Sony has delayed the launch of a full scale Blu-ray release due to a number of problems. Not that HD-DVD hasn't done the same thing... but IMO it's an awefully large risk to goto market with a game system that will only run Blu-ray. At least HD-DVD is backwards compatible, so if some long term durability problem is discovered, you have a backup.

Can you imagine buying a PS3 for $700 then having Sony come out and say "Gee, we're sorry, but the hardware / game discs won't last more than a year. You'll have to buy them again."

HD-DVD for Xbox360 is still a possibility down the road, so don't leave that option out either. I would never buy a 360, but I'd still get that before a PS3.

I recall an episode a few years ago at a local shop where a little kid was whining and begging his mom for a PS2. They rung up the total and it was over $500 (CDN). The mom had a stroke! The clerk said "Well, a Nintendo GC is only $240". Sold. With an even bigger price differential this time around, I can see a lot more of this. Recall, a large portion of the target market for games has little disposable income.

I will absolutely be buying a Wii. Dorky name aside, Nintendo always does a good job of appealing to gamers. Content might be more for youth, but the gameplay is always excellent. Plus, being able to download anything from the first Nintendo on - you bet I'm on board with that.

I am a computer hardware engineer, and from what I can tell from Sony's releases so far, I am very sceptical about the stability of the PS3 hardware. It will run, just not very smoothly or efficiently. So a first gen PS3 is likely NOT a smart purchase. Plus the fact that Blu-ray is having such difficulties getting off the ground, plus the nagging rumor of games being registered to a single console. So no renting, selling, and God help you if your system dies. You get to buy ALL your games over again. YAY!!

The PS3 will do well, just due to the fanbase, but with over $1 billion in expected loses over the first year, I hope this crashes and burns for Sony. They deserve it way worse than Nintendo or even (it hurts to say it...) Microsoft.

20.7.2006 06:46 #25

Rikoshay

Money aside, looking at the consoles worth (based upon gameplay, graphics, etc.), I would be totally into getting all 3.

I mean, the Wii is gonna be sweet because of the full-on backwards compatibility, the PS3 is sweet cuz of the same thing, plus it's line-up of games, and even the 360 because of it's online capabilities. Of course, out of all 3 of these, I'll more than likely take a Wii, and possibly in the furture, a PS3.

gsuscrazy said Quote:secondly, i stand by the fact Wii is a niche system, the graphics are not true next-gen, and the gaming will not appeal to alot of markets, (especially the fps genre, and the realistic sports markets) they will have their systems compatible with olders roms, and of course theyre cartoonish flagships, zelda, mario,etc.I totally agree with that! Yes, it will be a niche, a niche everybody but fps players will get :P. I think people are getting tired of the fps scene, cuz it's been played out so much over the last several years. Nintendo is bringing back something people are looking forward to; a system that even parents can play with their kids! You can't deny that those "cartoonish flagships" are one of the reasons you started playing games, I know it was for me.

I like some realism in my games, but I also like it somewhat unrealistic as well, cuz that's one of the main appeals of games, to escape from reality. So yeah, I think fps games are good too, but not as much as something more gauging, like an RPG or something to that extent.

20.7.2006 11:58 #26

pirkster

What a lazy job of "intelligence" gathering.

Don't expect any PS2 owners to dump their plans for buying a PS3 in favor of a Wii. Nintendo is a children's gaming console first and foremost, and will not appeal to today's PS2 owner.

The price point of the PS3 will have little or no affect on those who are planning on buying it.

I'll use their own analogy in my rebuttal - Apple. No one thought the iPod would take over the industry, and the same is being said about the price of the PS3. Analysts were wrong about the iPod, and they'll be wrong about the PS3.

Gamers planning on buying the PS3 are more mature, older, and have more than enough cash (like myself) than yesterday's gamer. Here are some important statistics from the ESA that this "DFC Intelligence" group of bozos obviously did not consider when formulating their flawed opinion:

1. U.S. computer and video game software sales grew four percent in 2005 to $7 billion -- a more than doubling of industry software sales since 1996.

2. Sixty-nine percent of American heads of households play computer and video games.

3. The average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.

4. The average age of the most frequent game buyer is 40 years old. In 2006, 93 percent of computer game buyers and 83 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.

Moral of story - Wii will not and cannot (by definition) replace the PS3 as a household gaming machine for most who already own a PS2. The PS2 (and future PS3 owners) are older, more mature, and can afford a PS3 just as easily as a Wii - so price will NOT play as significant a role as the hacks at "DFC Intelligence" would lead you to believe.

20.7.2006 12:42 #27

Alphonsus

The Wii and the 360 are in my opinion gonna be the masters of gaming systems because the wii has the interactive games while the 360 has the other hardcore and somewhat interactive games and the add up to roughly the same price as a ps3.
Wii60!!!!!!!!!!!!

GIANT ENEMY CRAB LOL

20.7.2006 12:53 #28

oofRome

Quote:secondly, i stand by the fact Wii is a niche system, the graphics are not true next-gen, and the gaming will not appeal to alot of markets, (especially the fps genre, and the realistic sports markets) they will have their systems compatible with olders roms, and of course theyre cartoonish flagships, zelda, mario,etc. Those "next gen graphics" can only be fully realized on a HDTV, which less than 10% of TV the TV owning population possess. How is that not a Niche market?
The fps genre is dominated by the Western Xbox products, and PC gaming. However, with games like Red Steel and COD: Airborne scheduled for the launch window, there's no doubt in my mind that we'll see a lot more fps support on the Wii, since the controller is as perfect as a mouse for fps games.
And seeing how Wii sports was voted best sports game at e3, I have no idea where you're coming from. EA also has your more traditional madden 07 for Wii on the way as well.

pirkster:
I realize you have a good point of how the next "war" will play out, but the video game market isn't consistant. It's volatile. Where were the statistics that pointed to the PSone being such a huge success?

You might also might want to check out how many ps2 owners are (for lack of a better word) fanboys. There are a lot of things different between the ps3 and the ps2. The ps2 didn't carry a 500-600 price tag, it had a regular DVD drive, and appealed to a whole lot of people, not just the tech-elite generation, as this new console is apparently aimed at.

THe bottom line is that the system with the most developer support will win. Check the statistics on that. :-)

20.7.2006 14:50 #29

vgaddict8

Sorry Buddy Nephilim....... You know that I am a good guy. It's just that nintenod has been very dissappointing in the last couple of years. In my personal opinion......Nintendo sucks balls. I bought a viper modchip and that was the greatest mistake of my life. Nephilim and I are good buddies.....

20.7.2006 16:49 #30

gsuscrazy

oofrome, you are being shortsighted, along with some other people here, 10 percent of ppl own hdtv's? how many next year, or the year after? i picked up an HDTV for 500 bucks, no sweat, 2 years from now it will be the walmart special for a HDTV...its a growing market, All im saying ya, Wii will be fun, I might actually buy one, because I am a niche gamer, I dig snes games as well, but I am well aware of the current market, and I know for a fact that graphic power of a 360 or ps3 will overshadow the "fun-ness" the wii will produce, once the games roll out that blow your socks off for realism. And as for sports titles, I am a huge basketball gamer, nba2k6 all day everyday for the realism of it, You see 2k7 and live 07 video and screenshot on 360? that is dynomite, I dont believe the Wii can compete with that, which is why it has to be a secondary system, It will alienate a major market (fps) in the next 24 months (with 2nd and 3rd release titles on these nextgen systems, when game developers start taking advantage of what ps3 and 360 will be capable of handling)hey, im not bashing the wii, im sure it will be fun, just like a summer crush on the girl across the lake when your 14, but just like that "crush" the Wii is only going to break your heart.

20.7.2006 18:46 #31

Nephilim

Lol, duly noted vgaddict8 but let's leave it at that ;)

Just got done with my daily Pee Wee's Playhouse fix so I'm in a good mood right now :P

20.7.2006 19:32 #32

oofRome

Quote:oofrome, you are being shortsightedI am still not realizing your point. There's no doubt in my mind that the HDTV penetration will continue to grow, perhaps more rapidly than expected. But I don't see how I'm being shortsighted. If you look at the success of any console, you'll find that graphics aren't quite the dominating factor as you're making it out to be.

20.7.2006 21:09 #33

gsuscrazy

oofrome.....if you dont realize my point by now, then there shouldnt be any more conversation between the two of us.

good graphics=more sales

lesser graphics=lower sales

why do you think they make next gen systems, for gods sake man, why you think we arent still rockin the ps1 and n64?

heck, if we only bought systems based on playability, then we would still rock the snes dude, come on peter pan, get back down here and stop flying in the clouds made of marshmellows and sunshine.

20.7.2006 21:40 #34

Nephilim

Quote:come on peter pan, get back down here and stop flying in the clouds made of marshmellows and sunshineGetting a little too personal there. Don't make me go Dr. Hook on you.

20.7.2006 22:22 #35

Thonor

Alright, sorry for the previous long-winded post.

The following facts remain:

1. A large price differential between any two systems WILL MATTER in terms of sales. There will always be the fanboys (of which AD members mostly are, so we aren't in a position to argue) which will keep sales going. However, your regular Joe "occasional gamer" or Mom buying for their kid will think twice after looking at two very different price tags. You'll remember that a few years ago, Xbox and PS2 price drops mimiced each other for a long time. Neither was willing to let the other be lower priced. Both were losing money on hardware, but neither was willing to give up the advantage of low price.

2. Both Microsoft and Nintendo are upgrading their hardware, but in much less drastic fasion. By far, Sony is taking the greatest risk in terms of hardware, and it's costing them a lot of money to do it. That being said - there will be very little graphics difference between a 360 and PS3 on a non-HD disk. PS3 will have HD, and Xbox360 can add it.

3. A large number of people have stated that they will "sit and wait" to see how the new VHS vs. Beta war (aka. HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray) ends up. Due to licensing restrictions and whatnot, many people are scared that they will have to buy 2 DVD players to play all the released moveis that will come on the market. This could hurt Sony given Blu-ray and regular DVD formats are currently incompatible, while HD-DVD doesn't have that problem.

4. The Wii stole the show at E3 this year with its new gameplay ideas. I agree with the post that said the FPS's have been done to death. New gamers will be interested in the interesting gameplay options, and the older gamers might look to something new. And then there's the fanboys, who see "SquareEnix" and buy 8 copies.

5. While the Gamecube was largely geared towards younger audiences, it wasn't entirely (RE4 anyone...). Also, the N64 most certainly was not aimed at the same market as the Cube (007, Perfect Dark, Conker etc.). To assume that the Wii will be a younger gamer's system is purely speculation at this point. And even if it is, there is market share to be found there as well. Nintendo has dominated that portion of the market for almost 20 years.

My opinion is that the PS3 has a lot of uncertainty in all aspects of its release, while its fairly certain that the Wii will do fairly well. The PS3 has the potential to do better, or worse (personally I hope worse). It's rumored that Microsoft is holding Halo 3 until PS3's release to provide additional competition. There are many factors to consider, none of which we can be certain about.

However, Sony is taking the largest risk with the largest amount to lose.

Based on what I have heard, when all the new systems are available, I will consider a Wii, but will not look at a 360 or PS3, both for price and personal taste reasons.

Wow, that was longer. Flame on PS3 fanboys, it's just opinion and speculation anyway.

20.7.2006 22:36 #36

Andrew691

@thonor Quote:it's an awefully large risk to goto market with a game system that will only run Blu-ray. At least HD-DVD is backwards compatible, so if some long term durability problem is discovered, you have a backup.Sony (or whoever) has made it so that there is 2 lasers in the ps3 so the ps3 will play all current dvd and cds, so backwards compatible has easily been solved.

but i do agree with Quote:However, your regular Joe "occasional gamer" or Mom buying for their kid will think twice after looking at two very different price tagsThe PS3 is more of a hardcore gamers system, definitly not for casual gamers.

And yes Nintendo and microsoft are playing it abit safe hardware wise, where Sony is being abit dangerous with theirs.
As for "PS3 will have HD, and Xbox360 can add it." Microsoft have already said IF they release a HD-DVD drive for the 360 it will only be for movies not games. So that means HD content is going to be limited.
IMO the 360 will only last a few years, then MS will have to release a new system, the ps3 will last probably twice as long, the WII will be around for ages.

EDIT: finally remembered what i was going to say, IF they release a HD-DVD addon for the 360 at about $200 what does that make the price compared to a PS3?

20.7.2006 23:22 #37

gsuscrazy

oh, and just to mention,

I own

Gamecube
DS
Snes
advance sp
dreamcast
xbox
coming soon...Xbox 360
Coming soon...psp

those are my systems, I am far from a fan of one particular company/product/genre I am a fan of games. I actually never kept my ps2 because I didnt care for it, and unless something is a "must have" I will probably hold off until about 2 price drops to get a ps3, if ever. So, that was just to clarify my overall position.

just in case someone thought i might have been favoring one company.

20.7.2006 23:52 #38

tnarulz

A HDTV for 500? What store is selling it and what kind is it?

21.7.2006 02:27 #39

XENON

Personally I'll prolly buy all three systems. Mainly based on the games. PS3 Will have the next edition of Burnout. (Burnout 2The Revenge was pretty sweet for the PS2) Xbox360 Has Halo 3 and the Revolution (wii or W2 ;) will have Metriod Prime 3: Corruption and Zelda. I don't base my decisions solely on price, although it is a factor in my decision. My dream is to have a 150' widescreen plasma HDTV with a 7.1 Digital Surround Sound System and as many game consoles as possible and Some PC's Hooked Up to Said TV. That Will Be The Ultimate Game Room! :D [psst.does anyone have spare Powerball Lottery Ticket You Can Give Me? lol ;)]

21.7.2006 09:22 #40

sheri1983

Xenon, where in the heck will you put a 150' widescreen plasma HDTV??? 150 feet is prett darn big! Dang! I settle for a 150" plasma!

21.7.2006 13:36 #41

Mr-Movies

Pirkster said: "DFC Intelligence" group of bozos obviously did not consider� The bozos are the people that bought iPods they obviously didn�t do their home work as there are other systems that are better, cheaper, and have been around long enough to get the bugs out of them. And as to those wonderful statistics I believe they are a bunch of crap, they don�t focus on all areas to be accurate and that is very typical of how statistics are used to deceive us these days. For one, young kids will always play games more than the mature adults out there; they have more time to do so. He is right though about PS3 people they tend to be a cult and you can�t tell a cult anything different no matter how right you are.

I�m not a Nintendo fan persay but I know plenty of young and old fans of that system so when others say they will fare well I would agree.

P.S. BD�s are backward compatible and when the price comes down they will do well too. Who gives a crap about HD-DVD�s lack of capability.

21.7.2006 16:02 #42

XENON

OOOPSSS!! sorry I meant to say inches instead of feet. (yeah I'd need a movie theater to put that puppy in!) I'd have the best sound system money could buy! I'd have ruptured eardrums but damn I'd be in game heaven!! :D

21.7.2006 16:27 #43

sheri1983

Hey Xenon, your Ultimate Game Room sounds most excellent, even if it's only 150", lol! But it would be costly! I'm working on my ultimate game room (note the lowercase "u", "g", & "r"), but it's downgraded to a 65" DLP instead of 150" plasma. I've got a kickin' Onkyo 7.1 receiver (although no 7.1 content), MCE PC, DirecTV HD receiver, and a non-HD DVR. I started a few months ago and I probably have $10K invested in it already... and I still haven't purchased several items, like PS3 & Wii, HD-DVD upgrade for Xbox 360, a primo subwoofer, DirecTV HDTiVo (ok, the new ones are not REALLY a TiVo product), a couple Buttkicker LFEs, and an HD disc player! It's about 70% done... I'm figuring I'll be in around $15K before I'm done!

Back on topic, I think Wii will be a great seller. I suspect some will buy it as their primary console and many (360 & PS3 owners alike) will buy it as a second console. I'm a sucker... as long as Mario et al remain Nintendo exclusives, I'll buy every console they make.

I've been a bit of a combo Nintendo/Sony/MS fan"boy" for sometime, but Sony seems to have lost their way lately. They used to be a "safe" choice regardless of the product. There was a time when, if you bought anything with the name "SONY" on it, you were getting a quality product... maybe not THE BEST stuff, but at least respectable. A few lousy Sony HTIBs and a few junky Viaos later, I'm trying to avoid the Sony brand.

I see a number of people mentioning Wii is not "Next Gen". I thought Nintendo had been fairly clear in stating that it's NOT a Next Gen console.

My predictions:

Console Sales:
#1 Wii (so cheap that everyone will get one)
#2 tie: Xbox 360 & PS3

Game Sales:
#1 tie: Xbox 360 & PS3
#2 Wii (many Wii owners will buy more games for their primary console)

HD DVD Sales:
#1 HD-DVD
#2 BR-DVD
$500 DVD players make me say "hmmmm".... $1000 DVD players make me say "gulp!". Sure, BR prices will fall but so will HD prices. Provisos: If HD-DVD can quickly get a large group of users, some BR studios may freak out and break ranks to support HD-DVD also. If that happens, BR will collapse. If the BR studios stand firm, we're all screwed and there will be an all-out format war lasting AT LEAST a few years before one or the other finally drops out. If MS can get an HD-DVD Xbox 360 add-on to market a few months before PS3 release, I know I'm going start amassing an HD-DVD collection. It's safe to say I won't be purchasing any BR discs prior to the "low-cost" BR Player (PS3). Nintendo gets to sit this battle out, while MS has taken a safe road, and Sony has gambled big-time on this battle.

When it's all said and done:

Nintendo will be successful with their new Non-Next Gen console, which will be a better seller than the GameCube. Microsoft will grab a larger market share with the Xbox 360 than they did with the Xbox, so they'll be better off. Sony will definitely lose market share... the only question is how much. It may only be a small reduction, but, after gambling billions, they will lose market share. The PS3 will be a great console, but it will be too much ($), too late.

21.7.2006 18:28 #44

XENON

Good points sheri and another thing. The wii maybe directed at kids (like some people say) and it may be true but that doesn't mean adults can't enjoy it. I've had many consoles in my time (from an old colecovision and atari 2400 right up to my gamecube i currently own) and sure the 'cube and nintendo may have a majority of so called "kids" titles but I've seen many people get hooked and actually enjoy them (myself included) I'm just waiting to get my hands on the w2 so I can play the latest Zelda and MP3:C (Metroid Prime 3: Corruption) I think one of the main reasons I'm going to buy a w2 is because of the ability to play all the old Nintendo games on a single console. I used to have an SNES and my TV hooked up to a surround sound system and I'd play Space Megaforce for hours on end because of the soundtrack and listening and FEELING the explosions when I played. ahhhh the memories :D

21.7.2006 18:40 #45

jaxjapan

Atari had a 2400??? I think you meant 2600 and than the 5200 and finally the 7800.
I personally am looking at this whole war now.
I picked Sony when they first came out after being a Nintendo Fan. But as a father of 3 and seeing what my kids want they want Nintendo, I like the idea, and probably a 360 also.
Sony is always plagued with launch problems, and they just aren't making sense.
Losing 3rd party developers to Nintendo, and Msoft.
High development costs and Sony just took a huge loan, and they plan to lose money??
How do you pay what you owe when you lose??

21.7.2006 20:49 #46

Thonor

Very good points all. It's obvious there's a lot of opinions, but only time will tell. For example, if Sony licenses the next GTA game exclusively to PS3 (which is unlikely), they could gain substantially. But even Rockstar isn't that stupid to limit THEIR profits to only one console.

Our only major hope is the development of a dual HD-DVD and Blu-ray DVD player (and hopefully recorder too). It happened with the DVD +/- format, and although this is substantially different technology, it's likely the only way a LOT of people are going to jump down from the fence and buy a High-def DVD player.

21.7.2006 20:53 #47

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I have been a gamer for many years with lots of systems to many to count i aways thought that there should be a joint system witch will alow a gamer to thow in a game and play it a system that plays every thing known to man lol. any body rember the stuff that was made on the good old tech tv The Screen Savers Show they made a system or someone made it cant rember that had all the old game systems in a modded computer case build it they will come lol

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21.7.2006 22:43 #48

ZippyDSM

Skipping all the other posts I will just post my own comments.

most people will be gettign a PS3 or a 360 a wii will take 2nd palce in most gamers homes the reson is simple price,nintendo wins in the long run,and if you think Nintendo is a Kiddy system think again the Cube almost has as many T and M games as the PS2 (if you avraged out the games,the PS2 has a ton more games but al in all it dose almsot has the same %)

Presonly for my the 360 is half aresed and the PS3 is coemign from the arrongt bastards from sony thier the nly ones with teh bals to make a half arsed low end system and a 600$ "high" end one.....I'll be happy with the WIi and new new copies of metroid and zelda thank you...in this day and age of cash in games Nintendo might be the last bastion of non crappy or medicore games.....mabye....MP2 is a bit cheap but oh well its still is eaqule to Halo 2 *L*

22.7.2006 00:56 #49

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Don't expect any PS2 owners to dump their plans for buying a PS3 in favor of a Wii. Nintendo is a children's gaming console first and foremost, and will not appeal to today's PS2 owner.
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im a ps2 owner and im dumping my plans to buy ps3 to buy the Nintendo wii the ps3 doesnt apeal to me as the ps1 and the ps2 did

22.7.2006 01:29 #50

ZippyDSM

ddilbert
to ture sony has manged to turn the PSX into a monster and its just not worth it to have 100 medicore games and 5 good games...at least on the cube you get 10 good 30 medicore and 50 bad L*

oh well most games will hopefuly be madeon all systems with the PS3 being the hardfest to code for tis going to be intresting how it is going to.

22.7.2006 01:42 #51

ddilbert

its sad how sony coudnt make a new controller they just made the ps2 controller wireless

22.7.2006 02:05 #52

sheri1983

Hey Warvick! It was Yoshi's Box, if .I remember correctly

22.7.2006 02:24 #53

sharps

sorry it took me so long to reply folks. one person wrote they doubt that most people have the money to buy all three systems. well its really not that much money about $1500 thats less than a good computer and people buy those all the time. im not rich but i have a job a make a piddly $11.00 dollars an hour. i allready have a 360 and am going to buy the other two. i will do this and still be able to pay rent. the release dates are still far enough off that there is plenty of time to save, sell current gen gear, give blood, kill, just kidding but seriously who cant save a grand? im not trying to be a dick i feel this is a goog point.

22.7.2006 05:30 #54

sharps

i meant to say good point not goog point and one more thing these are toys we are talking about. you only live once drop the fanboy loyalty save some money and get all three you wont be sorry.

22.7.2006 05:35 #55

ZippyDSM

I got 2 of them already and I am kinda sorry I spent 500 on the PS2 and all the gmaes for it so far 0-o

I spent more time on Metroid prime 2 as frustateign as it can be than on nimusha 3 and the bad voice acting that makes me want to turn the game off....

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22.7.2006 08:08 #56

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HDTV walmart specials?!
your forgetting to get the most out of the PS3 you need HDMI. I bet the Walmart specials will be the left over outdated junk that doesn't come with HDMI. There is nothing from Sony that I must have, not one game. Gran Turismo um yeah XBOX has that covered and honestly after GT2 the rest were just blah. Does Sont have a Halo killer??? NO! Sure they released that game that was supped to be a Halo killer, I can't think of the name (hmmmm great game eh, I can't even think of the name), but it wasn't any good online and that's where it matters the most. I see my self buying a 360 when Halo3 hits and I will most def buy a Nintendo. Hello MARIO! As the cheapest system and lots of must owns who won't buy a Nintendo? Oh god and lets not for get about all the empty Sony Promises like the HardDrive for the PS2, still kickin my self in the ass for buying an overpriced hard drive that was only good if you stored and played your games off of it. Taking a look at Sonys past do you really think they'll get away with the upgrade game?
"people buy 1500 computers" um yeah cause the computer does it all, we don't need a bootleg PC runing off of a TV. Even if you have an HDTV it still pales in coparison to a monitors resolution.
Ok so who has a DS, raise your hand. Now who has a PSP? Hmmmm a shortage of hands, exactly you know why. BECAUSE THE PSP is not as fun plain and simple, yet another Sony investment I sorta regret.
Lets face it people, just about everyone will own a Nintendo along side their 'high end' system. Nintendo will do very well this generation. Whether your a Nintendo fanboy or not $200 is hard to pass up when everyone else is at $500+

22.7.2006 15:29 #57

sheri1983

I mostly agree with you, ceno82... but my local Walmart has some cheapo HDTVs with HDMI... now is it fully-compliant HDMI? I dunno.

I have a PSP... somewhere... don't know exactly where... haven't played it in many months... it's totally slick and has awesome graphics... but alas and alack, it is nonetheless boring! My DS is sitting on the table by the front door, ready for action... PSP is MIA.

22.7.2006 16:21 #58

jaxjapan

Who can't save $1500 dollars was asked.
Well people in some countries don't make that much money. Many in the US are strapped for cash.
Places where the rent is much higher than yours.
I.E higher cost of living making the same as you.
Lets face it PS3 is unattainable for many.
The WII is very attainable.

22.7.2006 17:19 #59

ZippyDSM

sheri1983
ya the SP is neat but lackign in games the same could be said for the 360 still,

gsuscrazy
actualy its the horde of causle gamers that blindy by anyhtign new game thing that they are told to buy,I go for playabilty and fun,being neck deep in medicore iffy games gets old I refuse to by a system at full price that dose not offer good games.

Besides in all price matters most it the low price means you can sell more units more units sold = more game sales its realy a win win for nintendo do I think they will be number 1 again....I dout it..unless they have made deals with alot of devs to produce richly detailed and fun games that are way above medicoreness.....its simple not going t happen the day of the old 1 system rule are gone much like when the Turbo graph was around it was always number 3 world wide,1 system will be on top the other 2 will fight over their nichs and fight each other constanly for a nubmer 2 rakeing...altho...truth be told I dont thin they can even do that sicne most of the system are so alike the WII gets ahead by price alone.

but sad t say if you want al the games you'll have to buy all the systems ><

as a stand along game machine the PS3 fails simpely becuse of the price,as a new format moive palyer it looks a bit better but...we are gamers frist if we wanted soemthign to do more than gameing on and paly some games w'd get soemthign else.
I dont dout the graphical power of the PS3...however I have seen so called next gen games in motion....lets take Quake 4 for exsample....the overall design and gamepaly are so stale it makes me want to break out blood and duke 3d to remeber and ejoy what fun gamepaly is.....hell even Quake 1 is better thought out....

22.7.2006 18:15 #60

sheri1983

I have to agree that so far 360 doesn't have a lot of games that I'd call blockbusters, but the 360 games greatly outnumber the Wii releases and the PS3 releases thus far. COD2 is very well done and GRAW is totally awesome!

I wonder how many people will buy a PS3 instead of a regular, more expensive, dedicated BR player. I'm sure some people will be thinking "You mean I can save $400 on a BR player AND play next gen games???". PS3 certainly seems like a no-brainer for that sort of person. I myself am only getting the PS3 to get a cheap BR player. If Sony would pull the plug on the BR drive, I wouldn't even think about purchasing it. The BR drive will certainly boost sales of PS3 consoles, but will it also boost PS3 game sales enough for Sony to recoup their investment in the PS3? I just don't know, but I've got my doubts.

I never found a PSP game that caught my interest. To be fair, I have a short attention span and there may be awesome PSP games now. I just got bored and lost interest in it. DS always seems to have some wacky or gimmicky game coming out every month or so.

22.7.2006 19:54 #61

Thonor

Sheri:

Your hopes of getting a "Cheap BR-DVD player" in a PS3 are far-fetched in my opinion. You have seen before how the price on technology drops very quickly. Maybe for a small period of time a Blu-ray DVD player and a PS3 might be in the same ballpark, but it won't last at all. The first DVD players were $500+, and now Costco sells them for $50...

This will be even more notable during the upcoming format war. I think we'll see prices on hardware drop very fast to keep up competition. I'm still praying for a dual format player, and I likely won't buy either high def DVD system until that happens.

So go ahead, rush out, buy a PS3 for the Blu-ray player, watch the 4 movies that will be available at the time. I'd rather wait one or two months and get the BR player for half or a quarter of the price.

22.7.2006 22:34 #62

gsuscrazy

Ceno 82: research before you speak...

Worldwide Hardware Sales (End of March 2006)
PS2 - 103.69 million
Xbox - 24.4 million (unofficially estimated)
GameCube - 20.85 million
Xbox 360 - 3.2 million
Game Boy Advance - 75.13 million
PSP - 17.03 million
Nintendo DS - 16.73 million

PSP's have outsold Nintendo DS, even after a late start, and ps2's have outsold nintendo and xbox combined, do you really think that will change because sony lacks a "halo killer" or because some people are tired of re-hashing the same racing game?

The Gamecube was released at 100 dollars cheaper then the competition, the same arguement was used "secondary system, great titles, blah blah"
but if you look, worldwide sales as of march, the PSP that you say no-one owns has almost passed gamecube sales...so...

as for walmart specials (please note that i didnt say i had a walmart special, but soon it will be just like theyre flatscreen tvs, big screen tv's etc, everyone will be able to afford one, my tv is a Magnovox 51' HDTV that I picked up off a co-worker who upgraded to a projecter)

they have a 32' lcd HDTV with hdmi for 790 right now...next year, im sure it will be under 500...just something to think about. and as for the HD in the ps2, there was alot of cool stuff u could do with that, if you didnt take advantage of it, you shouldnt have kept it, someone would have bought it on ebay or something for near cost, it really sounds like you have resentment towards sony, if so, then you shouldnt be arguing about it, because your opinion is jaded, and close minded, just my opinion though.

22.7.2006 22:59 #63

ddilbert

gsuscrazy you should if those stats have been undated since the reless of the ds lite because the salles of them have going out of the roof.

23.7.2006 00:37 #64

sheri1983

So Thonor, if I understand you correctly, you're asserting that with the passage of time, prices of high-tech gear actuallys FALLS? Gee, I must be having a "blonde moment"! I had never noticed that trend, but if your theory is correct, won't the PS3 be around $50 by the time Sony gets around to releasing it??? FYI & FWIW, Netflix is listing around 39 HD-DVDs & 29 BR-DVDs ... but it's late & I may have miscounted

Jesuscrazy, I'd be interested in seeing the numbers on PSP vs. DS GAMES sales. My instinct tells me there is a wide gap here. This would be a better statistic, since it's game sales that determine profitability, not console sales, which are typically a loss leader. I've purchased approximately ten PSP UMDs and nearly sixty DS cartridges, and that's not counting the GBA cartridges that I've purchased since buying the DS. I suspect GBA cartridge sales have increased, or at least decreased at a slower rate, since the DS release.

Now, one area where the PSP blows the DS out of the water is movie sales. No one has purchased a DS movie, but I read somewhere that Sony has sold at least twelve UMD Movies. In fact, the UMD movie sales have been so brisk that the local Wal-Mart is remodeling their UMD section. They have ripped out the old UMD racks and I suspect the replacement racks will be HUGE, since it's taken them nearly two months since they've taken down the old UMD movie display.

23.7.2006 00:57 #65

xhardc0re

The games & system price WILL determine who comes out on top. Never has system price been such a big deal (only with the 3DO was it so high) & will affect the Xmas shopping season. Parents are not going (to want or be able) to afford a $600 system for their children. What about games? There goes another $60. And a 2nd controller? Another $25-30. And a Blu-ray movie costing $20-$25. So right there you have $700+ at one time. Without a single other toy. From a parent's point of view, this is VERY bad. Not just for poor/middleclass, either. A rich parent will want to get their child several different toys. They'll look at the PS3 as an investment, but not one they want to make now.
Smart people also understand the hardware will need a firmware update, one that might not be possible unless the hardware is switched out.

Whatever the case, i'm not buying any system until 2007. If the games are as innovative as i've seen, Nintendo will get my $$$. I'll stick with the PS2 i own (and would never touch bill gate$ or his Xcox360 garbage), and the GBA & add to that DS Lite.

For now, PS3 is not on my radar. Well maybe for de-engineering purposes but that's another story altogether :o

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23.7.2006 01:54 #66

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As a high end pc user, i really don't see a need for any console. soon as vista comes out with LIVE, it's all over!! using a mouse and keyboard to kick a gamepad tooting console player will make MY day. no matter how we look at it, bill gates will win. also people at least know what high definition means or have heard of it before....What the hell is a blue ray...screw this, i'm getting high def...Catch me drift? As for wii? nintendo had me has a kid, but just couldn't keep my attention as an adult...well somewhat adult.

23.7.2006 18:35 #67

sheri1983

Actually, I think the PS3 might end up being a (sorta) cheaper console. I probably sunk $2000 in Xbox 360... two premium consoles, some extra wireless controller, battery packs for every controller, two wireless adapters, two Xbox Live subscriptions, and a handful of games for each.

I plan to buy two PS3s and maybe a couple games and BR-DVDs... might end up cheaper... than 360s... doubt I'll buy a subscription to whatever Sony has for online play, at least not initially.

23.7.2006 19:49 #68

ZippyDSM

SayYes
Frist off the 360 has stolen half the could ahve been PC titles,2nd the PC is a dieign game market to use it soley for gameing is kinda sad sicne the PC has a limited number of games on it,3rdly LIVE on PC will force keyboard to keyboard and pad to pad thus enforceign thier balanceing scheme so it sounds like you are beign lied to or dont have a cule ass to what is happening in gamedom.

BTW guys sicne you keep talkign abotu HD,I would like to get a cheap 19inch HD TV or LCD/TV montoir thing.

23.7.2006 21:27 #69

ZippyDSM

altho once the PC gets full XboxPSP,DS,PS2 emulation ...oooo *droool*
it might then become worthy as a main game rig but untill then its not realy worth to throw a ton of money into it ><

23.7.2006 21:50 #70

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25.7.2006 06:02 #90

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25.7.2006 06:58 #91

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Quote:I guess long and shrt of it is the PC might not get alot of new gamesI'm not trying to argumentative in a mean spirited way but have you looked at all the available and more importantly the upcoming titles for PC's? There are just as many if not more than any one console can boast. PC gaming is a thriving market.

25.7.2006 08:29 #92

ZippyDSM

Nephilim
Mmmm it dosnt feel like it,altho I guess I need to get up to date more on the PC market acouple years ago it was bad.
how do you feel the PC maret is doing as far as good soild non rehash or clone gameing goes?

25.7.2006 09:13 #93

ZippyDSM

Nephilim
BTW you know any dailup friendly PC gameing sites gamespot and 3dgamers sometimes take forever to laod ><

25.7.2006 09:17 #94

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26.7.2006 21:11 #110

Thonor

megaBLS - AMEN BROTHA!!

Zippy - I agree completely with the emulation. I have all the Nintendo emulators except for Cube. I just didn't know if mentioning emu on these forums would get me in trouble...

Anyway, I will still DL a bunch of older content on the Wii. Some games (007 anyone?) just look waaay better on a big screen!!

26.7.2006 22:03 #111

xhardc0re

Point taken Thonor.
And $ony has that covered...by convincing everyone they need Blu-ray & where else to get it for under $500? In a PS3 of course. And once someone owns a game system, they purchase games for it. Expect them to blanket the U.S. & Japan with ads about how "BLU-Ray will change your life". There will be more propaganda coming out of $ony then Washington, D.C. & Tony Blair's ass combined!

Rikoshay

ZIppyDSM wrote: Quote:...the 360 its more or less a upgraded Xbox all in all it should do ok...Well, more or less, the Wii is an upgraded Gamecube, but it didn't slap on a $500 price tag. I'm not one to judge here, but I haven't really seen any games that have gotten passed normal Xbox graphics with the 360, just some with a higher framerate than normal. I mean, with that $500 I could buy a high-end video card, a Raptor HDD, and about 2GB of RAM for my desktop, and match, if not overpower that performance, all the while being able to do everything else that I would normally do with other appliances.

30.7.2006 21:18 #124

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darn it quit confueing me :P

Rikoshay
you got a point but I bet the Wii costs mroe to aesicnes its custom hardware and the 360 is sotly jerry rigged PC stuff...its freaky !

Mmmm the 360 is only 100 or so more than what it should be its not that bad but the PS3 is like WTF.

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