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CPCC pursues Canadian MP3 levy reinstatement

The Canadian Private Copying Collective (CPCC) is reportedly pursuing the reinstatement of levies to be paid on MP3 hardware. In practice, this means that the group can charge a levy on top of the price of an MP3 player which then would be re-distributed to copyright holders. Such a levy existed in Canada already but was overturned.

The Canadian courts dismissed the levies because Hard Disk Drives have failed to be classified as "audio recording media." As you might have guessed, the CPCC is now on a campaign to have the Canadian Copyright Board classify MP3 players as "audio recording equipment" to resurrect the levies.



The CPCC is also hoping to get a range increase of between CAD$5 and CAD$75 based on the capacity of the MP3 player. Thankfully, several experts have stated that the CPCC will most likely not get what it wants.

Source:
Engadget

Written by: James Delahunty @ 12 Feb 2007 9:47

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• georgeluv

  can you say communism
  
  (in this case its a little ass backwords though, cause all the money just goes to 4 companies not the people)

  12.2.2007 11:43 #1

• Moomoo2

  Breaking news! Maine's main export becomes... iPods?

  12.2.2007 17:04 #2

• sisneros

  just another reason NOT to like canada...

  12.2.2007 18:24 #3

• Pop_Smith

  OK...I don't see how an MP3 player is considered a piece of "Audio Recording Equipment". Sounds like a law made-up for the sole purpose of getting the CPCC some money.
  
  I know you can, with the proper attachments, record audio with an iPod like you can with a tape recorder but its an aftermarket attachment and can not be done out of the box.

  12.2.2007 18:43 #4

• borhan9

  Quote:Canadian Private Copying Collective (CPCC)I like Canada and i have family there and this organization is not making a good name for Canada. They seem to be like the RIAA and MPAA of the USA.
  
  Why Ohh Why...

  12.2.2007 18:54 #5

• Paladore

  Im canadian and its the cpcc thats trying to pass this, not canadians...so why are you bad mouthing the canadians sisneros? let me guess your an american? do you want the 40 reasons why EVERYONE has to hate you? guess what we dont hate you, its not your fault for the problems with your country nor is it our fault what the cpcc is trying to do.

  13.2.2007 01:33 #6

• pierrrre

  "just another reason NOT to like canada..." what a ridiculous comment! Canadians are not trying to reinstate a levy for all of the world to pay. It is an organisation (probably made up of the big four) trying to rob canadians of their money. Canadians would be the ones getting shafted here, not the other way around. Oh! and yes, I am Canadian and I love it.

  13.2.2007 02:50 #7

• ZippyDSM

  Bear with me here,this sounds reasonable,why? under current Canadian law you can make backups and archive and copy for yourself so a levy/tax is not a bad idea,however if they remove or limit that fair use then all it dose is let them double dip witch is unfair.

  13.2.2007 03:24 #8

• pierrrre

  I can't agree with you ZIppyDSM. A MP3 player is just that, a player. When I buy music (CD's or online), I pay the copyright duties. Why should I pay these duties again because I choose to listen to this music using a mp3 player instead of a stereo, PC or else? The physical format I choose to use to listen to my paid music is irrelevant. It is double dipping from their part.

  13.2.2007 05:23 #9

• ZippyDSM

  pierrrre
  SO then dont buy a MP3 palyer and give up on music you cant have it ALL,sin taxs are not new,they levy/tax blank CDs and such in the US,my pint is I don't mind paying 5% more on a device as long as I still have the right to "fair use".

  13.2.2007 05:29 #10

• pierrrre

  Houlaaaa Mmmmmm breath in.... mmmmmm breath out....

  13.2.2007 07:16 #11

• georgeluv

  Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:they levy/tax blank CDs and such in the USdo they realy have taxes on blank media in america? i havent noticed it. maybe they tax them when they are imported, the consumer doesnt pay any extra taxes. i buy my blank media from japan myself, no taxes at all!
  
  and 75 extra for the high capacity ipods is crazy, that would be like putting a 25% tax on sterios. but the money doesnt go back to the people, it just goes right to the bottom line of "the big 4". how much control do media companies have in our governments if they can just demand a 75 dollar levy on ipods cause they are mad cause people just buy ipods and never buy any music? thats like mcdonalds demanding that everyone gets taxed 25% when they eat at a non-mcdonalds restraunt, and all the money goes right to mcdonalds. fucking retarded. do the people still run the governments meant to serve them?

  13.2.2007 07:35 #12

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:they levy/tax blank CDs and such in the USdo they realy have taxes on blank media in america? i havent noticed it. maybe they tax them when they are imported, the consumer doesnt pay any extra taxes. i buy my blank media from japan myself, no taxes at all!
  
  and 75 extra for the high capacity ipods is crazy, that would be like putting a 25% tax on sterios. but the money doesnt go back to the people, it just goes right to the bottom line of "the big 4". how much control do media companies have in our governments if they can just demand a 75 dollar levy on ipods cause they are mad cause people just buy ipods and never buy any music? thats like mcdonalds demanding that everyone gets taxed 25% when they eat at a non-mcdonalds restraunt, and all the money goes right to mcdonalds. fucking retarded. do the people still run the governments meant to serve them?Yes it came about after CD recorders where widely avalibale,
  
  http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Canadian_m...iPod_tax?cshow=
  
  says canada already pays a CD tax funny how they lie cheat and steal to prove their point,when you go OTT and add only what you already get thats double dipping,I didn't think they got a tax/levy in place already they should just update it to encompass blank media of any kind and add on if the industry tries to lobby for more restrictions on "fair use" this tax will be removed,they cant have it both ways.
  
  I see a balance here of coarse no one wants a balance,to have full fair use the right to personal archiveing on anything and have a tax on blank media (HDD,Flash drives,CD,DVD ect,ect) is a good balance a simple 3-6% tax on it will make both the government and the poor poor multi billion dollar corporations happy.
  
  Of corse the way the world works you will go to jail by making a back up of your 60$ collectors ed of a movie you bought and have to pay 10% tax on both(on DVD and blanks and players and recoders) to help the money starved industry stay afloat...gee I wonder whos really doing the most damage to the industry.....

  13.2.2007 08:00 #13

• Mr-Movies

  First and foremost we are already overly taxed which leads me into the sin tax idiots. This never goes were it was intended and who is to determine what is a sin? I think breast feeding in public is a sin, so let’s tax pregnant women for being pregnant because they may breast feed in public. Now doesn't that just sound stupid, I'm making an assumption and applying a law to it. For the Government this could be a win-win as they would amass more of our monies to do with as they please.
  
  When you say it's not our fault for what these monkeys do well to some degree this is true however we do elect the morons into office my only contention would be our choices, which are bad or worst then bad.
  
  If Zippy got what he was asking for it would be gone in no time, and the more they get the more they expect, much like our government.

  13.2.2007 09:07 #14

• ZippyDSM

  Mr-Movies
  as long as the government keeps the media mafia in check and leaves us to copy,archive and back up under fair use the sin tax for blank media is not a bad thing,of coarse the government dosent do oversight...god forbid they do the job they are their for.

  13.2.2007 09:46 #15

• Mr-Movies

  Well I agree with you on the backup rights but don't agree with sin type taxation and don't feel you have substatiated good reason for it. But please don't take me wrong I enjoy your point of view always, your a good person Zippy....

  13.2.2007 14:01 #16

• ZippyDSM

  Mr-Movies
  
  mew =^^=
  
  
  I jsut want to try and make everyone understand what I am saying and thats not always easy not with my mind :P
  
  to me its easy a sin tax only works when the government dosent place alot of restrictions on the sin,the current attack on smoking is down right evil you either ban it in all public places (cars aswell) and get rid of 80% if the tax ,when they ban it nearly everywhere and keep uping the tax on it thats just bad for everyone its one way or the other,any tax or levy in the US for blank media would be wrong because theres not alot of fair use anymore 10 years ago it was not so bad,canada has alot of its fair use intact, however is being chewed on and taxs are being forced in out of the blue the corporations are not fighting fair and the government could care less.
  
  SO I guess its like politics I support it on princable but the realities of it fail.

  13.2.2007 18:11 #17

• Formats

  sisneros
  You have no idea of what they are talking about. Its countries like yours that are getting pissed, because we Canadians don’t have an Intellectual Property Protection law. Yes this would be like the RIAA or MPAA if it got passed.
  
  About CPCC
  The Canadian Private Copying Collective is the non-profit agency charged with collecting and distributing private copying royalties. Established in 1999, CPCC is an umbrella organization that represents songwriters, recording artists, music publishers and record companies. These are the groups on whose behalf the royalties are collected. CPCC is not an arm of government. Enforcement of the private copying tariff and advocacy, including representing copyright holders before the Copyright Board, which decides the tariff, are other important functions of CPCC. This site provides in-depth background on each of CPCC's key functions. To locate the information of interest to you, please see the site menu.
  
  I suggest you get your head out of your ass and find out what is going on in front of you before you make any future post.

  14.2.2007 06:32 #18

• Mr-Movies

  Good point Zippy, and I agree with you on the cigarette issue even though I don't smoke myself. What the government should do is force businesses to have better air exchangers then all would be happy except the businesses due to added business cost. Unfortunately the DO-GOODERS out there and big business pull the strings.

  14.2.2007 08:00 #19

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by Mr-Movies:Good point Zippy, and I agree with you on the cigarette issue even though I don't smoke myself. What the government should do is force businesses to have better air exchangers then all would be happy except the businesses due to added business cost. Unfortunately the DO-GOODERS out there and big business pull the strings.Ah pandering for votes looking good on camera and getting more money to waste gotta love polis >> we should feather them all <<

  14.2.2007 08:06 #20

• dufas

  Lets see now, taxes on cigarettes, .
  
  ..coming soon in the USSA near you..taxes on fast food and any food deemed fattening, taxes on sodas, taxes on vehicles that you shouldn't use, taxes on all computer and electronic equipment, movie theater taxes to help pay for pirated movies, software tax to help pay for pirated software, on and on and on and on.....
  
  Nanny has taken over the USSA and we must protect the entertainment industry, software industry, well, protect everyone from themselves..
  
  All the above and more has been talked about by the great leaders of the USSA and many, because it brings money in for the politicians to buy votes with, will probably be made into law sooner or later...
  
  God bless....ooops, sorry, Mohammad bless the USSA and it's leaders..

  15.2.2007 16:42 #21

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by dufas:Lets see now, taxes on cigarettes, .
  
  ..coming soon in the USSA near you..taxes on fast food and any food deemed fattening, taxes on sodas, taxes on vehicles that you shouldn't use, taxes on all computer and electronic equipment, movie theater taxes to help pay for pirated movies, software tax to help pay for pirated software, on and on and on and on.....
  
  Nanny has taken over the USSA and we must protect the entertainment industry, software industry, well, protect everyone from themselves..
  
  All the above and more has been talked about by the great leaders of the USSA and many, because it brings money in for the politicians to buy votes with, will probably be made into law sooner or later...
  
  God bless....ooops, sorry, Mohammad bless the USSA and it's leaders..
  Well Mohammad is a better role model for the corporate horde anyway *rolls eyes*

  15.2.2007 17:18 #22

• minidiez

  This a joke. I hope it never happens.
  
  Canada is too cool for this.

  16.2.2007 09:45 #23

• dbminter

  Oh, my god... a tax on each movie theater ticket sold to recoup pirating losses from movies on DVD's... it's so evil it's brilliant! I wouldn't put it past them, either, once it sinks in that what they're currently doing ain't lining their pockets anymore.

  16.2.2007 10:26 #24

• sparkery

  Our only reason for existence is to work, get money and then give it to corporations by one means or another to make them richer and more powerful. However, if we are good, work hard and don't complain or make it tough for the ruling corporations we will be rewarded when we die by going to heaven. There they will check if we have paid our taxes and levies.

  16.2.2007 13:17 #25

• BIGnewb

  "blame canada"
  im sorry but america may think its the best country in the world when really they are one of the stupidest.not judging people because people are different and everyone can understand that so why diss canadians?we're not the ones who are in debt billions of dollars to the poor nation of CHINA and cant afford to pay them so will have a war with them soon and also the war with iraq and soon to be iran.go USA send yourself to your own grave.thats my 2 cents!DONT BLAME CANADA BLAME YOURSELF!

  16.2.2007 14:38 #26

• Kamiton

  Having lived in Canada I can attest to the socialistic (if not borderline communist) government system. Canadians believe that the government is responsible for all aspects of their well being (hence extensive wellfare programs and high taxation). U.S. is founded on libertarian principles so one has to take responsibility for their own well being. But I digress. One important thing to note is that most consumer products in Canada come from the US ("Buy US no U.S." should be a familiar slogan for some Canadians here). So any push for additional revenues from the private industry has probably some RIAA or MPAA backing. But before we yell "Evil U.S.", lets not forget that the Canadian governemnt is handicapping it's own industry. Canadians would do well to remind their own politicians where their loyalties should lie.

  16.2.2007 17:27 #27