AfterDawn: News

ZippyDSM

Sounds reasonable,both sony and MS are to media focused,Nintendo is focused on gaming, at least compared to MS/sony they are I feel they could do more to bring control back into console gaming but then I am a button mapping nut whos only happy with his own layouts....
LOL

29.5.2007 05:42 #1

matt87622

well aside from games, Nintendo has a better concept, i don't envision my self buying a ps3 in the next 2 years, however i will have a Wii and most likely a 360.

sony thinks blu ray is going to make there console good, sony does not seem to care what they release as long as its on blu ray, if the ps3 didn't have blu ray tech. it would only be half the price., if anybody notices most gamers never asked for blu ray, that is something sony pushed on us. gamers really don't need a blu ray based console to enjoy the game. its a mistake for sony to try to market $60 games toward older teens, most older teens play pc games, (they are only about ~$30-$40) if they keep trying to only market them the console is going to fail.

29.5.2007 06:17 #2

ZippyDSM

Originally posted by matt87622:well aside from games, Nintendo has a better concept, i don't envision my self buying a ps3 in the next 2 years, however i will have a Wii and most likely a 360.

sony thinks blu ray is going to make there console good, sony does not seem to care what they release as long as its on blu ray, if the ps3 didn't have blu ray tech. it would only be half the price., if anybody notices most gamers never asked for blu ray, that is something sony pushed on us. gamers really don't need a blu ray based console to enjoy the game. its a mistake for sony to try to market $60 games toward older teens, most older teens play pc games, (they are only about ~$30-$40) if they keep trying to only market them the console is going to fail.Hell if they wanted to make blu ray sale they should have striped the PS3 down to 380 and sale it as a PS3/BR player and all the wireless crap is extra sell it for 60 a pop and reclaim money that way they would have fcking won and BR would have beaten everythign into the ground but no they would rather dick around and lose games and rep while they play with them selfs fondling their blu ray.

29.5.2007 06:22 #3

anubis66

**** nintendo. if they keep saying "oh sony and ms focus in this zone but wer focus all around blah blah blah i want money" then maybe sony and ms will hop on that bandwagon and produce a lackluster console for many people, instead of a killer console for the group in which i exist. i dont much like the wii and its need to ALWAYS be up or you have to contort. the games like chicken little, ice age and whatnot dont appeal. i can only play wiisports for so long. some people i know, thats the only game they own and they are OBSESSED. i believe there should be teirs of consoles, like wii having its craptastic self marketed to those who dont care for a good console, just some games, and the ps360, marketing itself to the gamers that are actual "gamers" they give us what we want, and if they threw that away, i would never follow them. they would lose their base so fast just for their pocket. i'm tired of everyone forsakeing the consumer for themselves asmuch as nintendo.


(expects wiinus fans to flame)

29.5.2007 07:00 #4

nintenut

Originally posted by anubis66:**** nintendo. if they keep saying "oh sony and ms focus in this zone but wer focus all around blah blah blah i want money" then maybe sony and ms will hop on that bandwagon and produce a lackluster console for many people, instead of a killer console for the group in which i exist. i dont much like the wii and its need to ALWAYS be up or you have to contort. the games like chicken little, ice age and whatnot dont appeal. i can only play wiisports for so long. some people i know, thats the only game they own and they are OBSESSED. i believe there should be teirs of consoles, like wii having its craptastic self marketed to those who dont care for a good console, just some games, and the ps360, marketing itself to the gamers that are actual "gamers" they give us what we want, and if they threw that away, i would never follow them. they would lose their base so fast just for their pocket. i'm tired of everyone forsakeing the consumer for themselves asmuch as nintendo.


(expects wiinus fans to flame)"Real" gamers? "Forsaking the consumers"? First off, three games don't represent a system as a whole, in your example, Wii sports is a fun free little mini-game, a bonus. Ice age and Chicken little are F-ing Movie-games, they don't compare to the good games like Super Paper Mario. Secondly, if Sony and Microsoft "Jump on that bandwagon" it's not because Nintendo said so, it's because it's freaking WORKING for Nintendo, it's selling well, making them money. And forsaking the consumers by not giving them what they want? Nintendo has almost half the market, half the consumers DO want that, and Nintendo is giving it to them. Also, Nintendo isn't just making motion-sensing games like wii sports, Smash bros. Brawl is going to use the gamecube controller, and I expect many more to do the same. And the virtual console games, tho overpriced, are for reliving the old games that "Real" gamers grew up playing.

29.5.2007 07:29 #5

anubis66

see, like i said, i expected these exact retaliations. so what if nintendo has that market. let another console compete with it for tat market. i want a console for my likings, and if all the companies were about selling ancient technolagy for a surplus at launch and a new controller, then i wouldnt support them. the wii is in a different place in the console wars than the 360 or ps3. we need a wii competator, another bargain console. i remember a day when consoles were the only way to game becasue they were ahead of almost all pc's. why is this changing? so some fat executive can have his way and buy some new cars and a summer home? i'd rather go for a console worth its price (dont even start, i know where the wiibois would go with that one.) some may say nintendo has a better plan for business, but im not business, im a consumer. give to me for once.

29.5.2007 07:58 #6

AXT

I agree with nintenut. The ps and 360 are made for real gamers who want a powerful system and games with good graphics. The wii is marketed towards little children and people who have never played a game in their life. In a year or so, the wii will go down the drain as it will fail to keep up with hardware demanding games. And from what i heard it doesn't even have online capabilities...WTF. All i know is that I will NEVER own a wii.

29.5.2007 08:11 #7

Nelmeco

This guy has obviously never played Red Steel or Zelda...

29.5.2007 08:22 #8

Ankoku

sorry double post

29.5.2007 08:28 #9

Ankoku

Actually AXT the wii does have multiple online capabilities, including the Opera browser. Online gaming will be realized in Pokemon Revolution, which has already been released in Japan and has an expected release date in the US of June/July

@anubis66, I dont think its really fair to grade a console on about 6 months of games, I mean I personally own a Wii, and experienced a ton of fun with Zelda, although I've avoided Paper Mario...I mean its pretty obvious Wii wont have all those ohh so wonderful Aliens Versus Humans storylines (GoW, HALO, Resistance, etc) but thats not what you expect with the Wii, its a family friendly console. I think what you have with the PS3 and 360 is the merger of computer gaming and console gaming, because computer gaming has always been a bit more violent, but anyways, its all on the type of games you enjoy, theres no point in saying "actual" gamers, because an actual gamer can appreciate the fun of the Wii, while appreciating the amazing graphics of the PS360

29.5.2007 08:28 #10

spydah

First off the Nintendo's success is due to them sticking to their roots. They never go far and beyond to push their games on their console. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Tetris, and Donkey Kong have always keep players coming back including my self. But as for Microsoft and Sony their roots arent as deep as Nintendo because they been around longer and their franchise titles have a good lockk on those that enjoy the fun factor in them. Sony and M$ have just completely stepped away from making games for the player and mainly made the change for technology which is cool on one hand but loses the players on the other hand when the game gets boring. Now if they start pushing better titles out with more fun and the high end graphics that they both possess Nintendo will eventually be left behind again because their system is strictly a game system not a system that can change with the newer technology as time moves on. We still will have loyal people for Nintendo but the the main gamers will always move on with the better product or products in the end.

29.5.2007 08:29 #11

nintenut

Originally posted by anubis66:see, like i said, i expected these exact retaliations. so what if nintendo has that market. let another console compete with it for tat market. i want a console for my likings, and if all the companies were about selling ancient technolagy for a surplus at launch and a new controller, then i wouldnt support them. the wii is in a different place in the console wars than the 360 or ps3. we need a wii competator, another bargain console. i remember a day when consoles were the only way to game becasue they were ahead of almost all pc's. why is this changing? so some fat executive can have his way and buy some new cars and a summer home? i'd rather go for a console worth its price (dont even start, i know where the wiibois would go with that one.) some may say nintendo has a better plan for business, but im not business, im a consumer. give to me for once.My, my aren't we making some solid points? "That" market is the video gaming market, yet you act as if it's separate and by another company making a similar console will make it go away and the PS3 and 360 will be the "Gamer" consoles. The main thing with the wii is that a game can be fun without looking great. Old-skool games prove that, you can't tell me that there isn't at least one game post-2001 that you don't still love to play and genuinely enjoy, despite "Ancient technology." The PS3 and 360 are awesome in themselves, but some people prefer wii, that's all there is to it... I like how utterly closed-minded you are, yours are nothing but hollow "Fanboy" arguments.

29.5.2007 08:37 #12

Qbidiot

I think Nintendo is going in a interesting direction that will eventually lead everyone down. However, I cant stand it's simplistic games and control. With Nintendo they put emphasis on button by making them larger and giving them more importance in most games. By over simplifying you make games easy to play, which can be good, but I like games that over all designed to be more interesting the mashing one button over and over again. PS and XBox bring complexity to the market. They appeal to completely different people. There is nothing wrong with focusing on groups of people, in fact I like the idea. When I buy a game system, I want games that suite me to be produced for that system. I really don't understand Nintendo criticizing other companies because they're not trying to corner ever edge of the market, unless they're just trying to show off there sales numbers. Each of these next gen systems has new cutting edge technology and one day they will using ideas form they're competitors to produce better products. Having a good range of products provides for good future products, and diversity.

29.5.2007 08:40 #13

ChromeMud

I can't imagine a PC gamer replacing a state-of-the-art CPU/GPU upgrade for a fangled motion sensing contraption upgrade instead.
If that happens then I will leave the games scene period.
That won't happen though.Nintendo has captured the broader casual gaming market where there is a lot more money to be made and good
for them.The overclockers,multi-core junkies and graphic whores that are always hungry for more advanced silicon will always own their
portion of the gaming market that is Hardcore.Thats me.

Even if Nintendo took 80% of the gaming market I would still belong
to the 20% PC/Hardcore Console market.
I like Disney films and that's how I place Nintendo in my gaming sphere but I would never be happy just watching Disney films if you know what I mean.They may be more fun and entertaining but in the long term I would want something more meatier,more adult orientated and with perhaps a lot more special effects.

29.5.2007 08:44 #14

windsong

Nintendo will never have the epic RPGs that the PC has..Oblivion, Morrowind, Jade Empire (creators of the Baldur's Gate series). The best they can do is Zelda, which while a great rpg, is not as satisfying to the +28 crowd who craves epics like Mass Effect, Planescape, Fallout etc (i.e. rpgs with superior writing/character development/dialogue trees).

Strange that Nintendo tries to destroy piracy at all costs. One would think they would love to see some of their titles reach the hands of the mature gamers, if only by chance.

29.5.2007 09:12 #15

ThaJazz

i think if the wii was 400.00 dollars it would now be a memeory.people know one thing in this world cheap sells.it does not matter that the wii is better than the other two just know that the main thing that is driving wii sales is the price and that dont stop at game consoles its evreywhere in cars food clothes etc.low price points is attrative to a lot people not al though now with that being said i dont think the wii is a bad machine its just not all that great.i think the game cube could have done what wii is doing now.

29.5.2007 09:37 #16

mododaz

Originally posted by AXT:I agree with nintenut. The ps and 360 are made for real gamers who want a powerful system and games with good graphics. The wii is marketed towards little children and people who have never played a game in their life. In a year or so, the wii will go down the drain as it will fail to keep up with hardware demanding games. And from what i heard it doesn't even have online capabilities...WTF. All i know is that I will NEVER own a wii. wtf are you smoking yes it can go online please do you're homework or you will look like a d**k.... yes i see you're point (wii kids .etc)...but nitendo knows the way to go (this is a good point MUST READ PLEASE!!!!11!!!!)ok member psp/ds yer you do i know well what had the hardware,psp,wat had the looks and stly...psp...what had the graphics ...psp... what had the price (high)psp /gulp/and crap games psp /gulp/ what won,? yes NOT the psp.........ok the conslo is not aimed just at spotty teenagers (maybe you) who's mom buys them it all whan you grow up and see that mony it doesn't grow on trees 600$£ euro bla bla (the wii is the eastist platform to develop for)any no more crap (i play and go wii in console and pc 4ever)t3h wii has a better chance the any other (i think)console because all the stuff that i can on the 360 i can do cheaper on the pc......(-*-)

29.5.2007 09:42 #17

mododaz

Originally posted by ChromeMud:I can't imagine a PC gamer replacing a state-of-the-art CPU/GPU upgrade for a fangled motion sensing contraption upgrade instead.
If that happens then I will leave the games scene period.
That won't happen though.Nintendo has captured the broader casual gaming market where there is a lot more money to be made and good
for them.The overclockers,multi-core junkies and graphic whores that are always hungry for more advanced silicon will always own their
portion of the gaming market that is Hardcore.Thats me.

Even if Nintendo took 80% of the gaming market I would still belong
to the 20% PC/Hardcore Console market.
I like Disney films and that's how I place Nintendo in my gaming sphere but I would never be happy just watching Disney films if you know what I mean.They may be more fun and entertaining but in the long term I would want something more meatier,more adult orientated and with perhaps a lot more special effects. only the top.....yes but there are no motion sensor games for the pc

29.5.2007 09:46 #18

NexGen76

Okay the only reason Wii is selling because of price point thats all.If he say making a super kiddie console going in a new direction that total Bull ish.Okay were was this guy when Sony & Microsoft was killing the market & they couldn't get a crumb off the table.Whats so new about that controller that Super Nintendo didn't have power pad & power glove so much for new tech as they call it.But how he going the bash Sony & Microsoft when they been living off Mario,all most 2 decades....lol Nintendo got no room to bash anyone.

29.5.2007 10:20 #19

kube1984

the wii some friends, if you have them, a case or two of beer equals some of the best friday nights that i have since i was high school. i use to be one of the typical gamers better graphics and what not, then i grew up, i like to play the wii because its a party machine, i dont sit at home and play video games buy my self anymore, i use to though, but what ever i love the wii like i loved the nes 20 years ago when i was a kid

kube

29.5.2007 10:32 #20

borhan9

I like how this guy thinks he just gets on with the job and does not talk the talk he is an action man. Well done and keep up the good work.

29.5.2007 10:44 #21

sk8flawzz

The market share says it all!!!
Personally I would buy a Wii and a Xbox360 Elite, not a PS3 a the moment because of price and the whole format war.
The Wii for fun, and lets face it, i think most girls have more fun with the Wii than watching a bunch of guys duke it out on Halo. (friday nites....ahh memories)
I think Xbox will probably pick up some of that market share with Halo 3, cause boy there are alot of us waiting for that game, thats when im buying my Xbox 360.
I hope PS3 picks up soon, its been out 6 months now, its an awesome machine but the everyday person doesnt know about Processor this or next-gen that, they know $$$, and i belive thats where the Wii got is dominance

29.5.2007 10:49 #22

Loquist

This is for all you 360 and PS3 freaks out there. (Disclaimer: This is not meant piss off those who own one of these systems. It is meant to educate those who believe the Wii has no future.)

I am not down on either one of these two consoles, but you people seem to lack a basic knowledge of economics. Nintendo owns the market right now. That means that developers are going to be making games for the Wii more so than for the other two systems. No, those games will not be the technological marvels that the games for the more advanced systems will be, but they don't need to be. Just as cows go to fertile land to graze grass, so do the developers go to fertile markets to sell games. It has been said in this thread that "even if the Wii held 80% of the market I would be on the PS3 bandwagon." In that case you would own a very expensive piece of hardware that doesn't have many games to play.

The Wii has price going for it, and it is cheaper to develop games for it; meaning more profit for a developer. Just because you sleep with your PS3 or 360 every night in bed does not mean a developer does. They WILL NOT develop for a system that they feel will give them no profit in return. They are in it for money; end of story.

One poster mentioned that the Wii is for the nostalgic real gamers. I would agree with that. I own a PSP and most of the games I play on it are on a NES or SNES emulator, not the ones I forked out $40 for.

To sum up, just because you are a 13 year old whose understanding of the way the world functions is faulty does not mean you are right. The Wii will not die. This is due to the fact that it has a following in the adult market. Guess what that means? It means it has a following in the market that has the money to spend on the games and the systems. It has a following in the market that doesn't have to ask mommy for $5 to go to the circle K and buy candy. THE MARKET FOLLOWS THE MONEY!!!

29.5.2007 10:52 #23

madpappi

its amazing the amount of hate the wii has generated from so called "hardcore gamers".what makes it even more amazing is the reasons why these so called "hardcore gamers" hate the wii ,its to simple,the graphics aren't good enough,its going to bring the whole game industry down, and the ever popular its a "gimmick" line.i personally consider myself a hardcore gamer i own tons of consoles and handhelds pc's etc. .
i also play just about any good game i can get my hands on.from old school atari to wii and pc games .but from the last 3 console releases i only own one and thats a wii mainly because my kids really wanted one for xmas.i dont own a xbox360(yet) simply because i personally know to many people who have had trouble with them i want one but till they iron out the problems i cant bring myself to buy one.but i do play the 360 because i have said i know plenty of people with 360's.as for the ps3 there isnt one single game i have seen on it yet that makes me wanna go plunk down the cash for one and what makes it worse for sony is i am one of those people who waited in line for a ps3 and did not manage to get one and am i glad i didn't.at first i really wanted one and got caught up in the hype i thought this was gonna be so amazing and earth shattering that i simply had to have one.but alas it was all smoke and mirrors( so far anyways).
i was skeptical of the wii bieng any good and i was pleasently suprised.even more surprising was how none "gamers" respond to it.for example the kids grandma comes to visit and within minutes a woman who has never in her life played a video game is playing wii bowling and having a ball.i was in shock.
most of my favorite games aren't even on the next gen systems face it between all 3 of the latest consoles there are only a hand full of really good games most of them on the 360.
the problem i think is that most of these next gen consoles are trying to do to much.they want to be the center of your home your game machine your internet device your movie player etc. . the only thing i want from a console is good games thats it. i don't want all that other mess. don't use me as a chess piece in your corporations move to take over the movie market with your proprietary format , give me a choice.
don't sell me defective hardware and then shrug your shoulders like you have no idea whats going on and make it seem like its an isolated case.
the consoles wars are funny i remember back in the day the whole genesis vs snes thing where sega would tell you in the ads how much faster the genesis was and more powerful than the snes (sound familiar?)and how the games on genesis were more real ( real red blood instead of green ).hell lets make a list of some of the systems that claimed to be the most powerful and most lifelike. genesis,jaguar,cd-i,turbografx16, all dead all gone all no longer making consoles. history has proven just because your console is the most powerful and has the best graphics that does not guarantee that it will be a success .some perfect examples are the gameboy,then the gba and now the ds all highly successful all less powerful than the rivals system.also lets not forget the fact that sony would not even be in the consoles race if it wasnt for nintendo. it sorta like a situation of daniel-san vs mr. miyagi.
i for one am sick and tired of these game companies trying to wow me with eye candy, providing very little else. make a game thats fun and exciting to play and I'm there .instead they try to sell me a game that looks cool but in the end is a remake of a hundred games already available.
to the person who posted the rpg comment , nintendo has brought some of the most recognized rpg's to the table and thats a fact.
sony knows this and its probably why on the ps1 and ps2 sony did everything they could to keep the rpg's coming just one of the many reasons why i bought these systems .
ms needs to get the hardware situation fixed and they will have another customer with me.
sony on the other hand needs to get with the program and give me a damn good reason to even look at the ps3 again.

29.5.2007 10:54 #24

kyo28

Originally posted by AXT:The wii is marketed towards little children and people who have never played a game in their life.
I'm 31 years old and have been playing games on PC's (started with Commodore64) and consoles (started with Megadrive) ... yet I own a Wii now (^_^;)

I'm not a fanboy, far from, but I tend to go with the console that has the most appealing games to me. In the 16-bit area, that was the Super Famicom. Later, I jumped on the Playstation bandwagon as those games offered interesting 3D gameplay for the first time ... I continued to be with Sony with my Playstation 2 for the same reasons: the games appealled to me.

However, now I feel it's time to focus more on gameplay, as a few polygons more or less won't make such a big difference anymore as it used to in the 'old days'. That's why I chose a Wii: because games are fun! I can enjoy them alone, online, with my girlfriend and friends ... I also enjoy the interactivity between the Wii and my DS. Sure, the PS3 has a few games that attract me (the upcoming Super Robot Taisen for example) ... but for now, I enjoy gaming with my Wii a lot more than the current PS3 or Xbox360 titles I've had a chance to play. Just a personal opinion from a gamer with 25 years of gaming under his belt.

29.5.2007 11:33 #25

tanta

how can people say the wii is for kids!! hello resident evil 4 and the new Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles!! mk!!! dont think these games are for kids eh!!!

29.5.2007 11:40 #26

REAM

any hardcore gamer, shoudl apreciate all worth while games and all game consoles, becuase each mani concole had atleast one good game.

hate is caus by fanboys, and its easy to get caught in the fanboy hype, but remember is your a serious gamer you will apreciate the wii and the xbx360/ps3

not forgetting your OC Q6700 sli OC 8800GTX, with phased cooling ;)

29.5.2007 11:50 #27

scott2k7

who hasent bought a wii they are the right price the only people who havent had one is the people who cannot get hold of one because of the stock!

29.5.2007 12:12 #28

ThaJazz

Originally posted by NexGen76:Okay the only reason Wii is selling because of price point thats all.If he say making a super kiddie console going in a new direction that total Bull ish.Okay were was this guy when Sony & Microsoft was killing the market & they couldn't get a crumb off the table.Whats so new about that controller that Super Nintendo didn't have power pad & power glove so much for new tech as they call it.But how he going the bash Sony & Microsoft when they been living off Mario,all most 2 decades....lol Nintendo got no room to bash anyone.












i totally agree with you give me power over gimmick anyday.also how many differnt ways can you possibily serve up friggin mario.

29.5.2007 14:36 #29

JorDogg

at least a PS3 or Xbox 360 can come out with a dinky little controller like the wii as a add-on if people want it (like buzz, singstar, guatir hero) and run it alot better then the wii will be able to. i doubt theres much room for the wi to get better as its proberlly already at its limits of what it can do, it was phase out! wouldnt surprise me if sony and microsoft actually listened to this and came out with a better option which will backfire on nintendo haha

29.5.2007 16:45 #30

Ankoku

Personally, Im waiting for an RPG based mario, a First person shooter mario (ok ok maybe yoshi based) ohhhh and Mario football! :-) And I am not trying to be sarcastic :-P I love Mario, and that character is one of the best marketing points because ppl are familiar with him! And FYI Guitar Hero 3 has been announced for Wii and DS, and yea, it PS3 will undoubtedly take over in about 3-4 years (Not a bash on 360, just going off of industry predicitions), but Nintendo is making money now, so might as well take a shot when you dominate sales like Nintendo did in April, but we should be clear that Wii does not own market share right now, 360 does, Wii has just been dominating recently, so Im really really hoping for like a 33% 33% 33% situation, as I plan to own all 3 systems soon, better to have options then to limit yourself because you think someone will make fun of you for having a "childrens console"... And chics DIGG Wiis!!! I had this girl come down one day and the things she did with that wiimote...well lets keep it PG :-P

29.5.2007 17:03 #31

anubis66

a lot of he third party support is limited by the basic wiimote and the wii's lack of advancement in technology. the wii, to me, is a late last gen comer, who's only "improvement" is a controller they say is original, and its marketed more towards the kids and family, just like the cube. yes there are more adult games, but look how many.. 3, 4? and whats with this whole "sixaxis copied wii omg omg" thing they saved the announcement for the end of e3, even look at the old videos. not to mention the patent was made 2 years before that e3. hey atleast the sixaxis senses motion without a ghetto ir sensor bar.

30.5.2007 07:19 #32

mododaz

Quote:Originally posted by NexGen76:Okay the only reason Wii is selling because of price point thats all.If he say making a super kiddie console going in a new direction that total Bull ish.Okay were was this guy when Sony & Microsoft was killing the market & they couldn't get a crumb off the table.Whats so new about that controller that Super Nintendo didn't have power pad & power glove so much for new tech as they call it.But how he going the bash Sony & Microsoft when they been living off Mario,all most 2 decades....lol Nintendo got no room to bash anyone.this is the real gimick power (wtf) ok if you realy would like more power why not buy a pc? E.G my pc can do alot more then a xbox360 the graffichs are beter 4gz don't know how much the 360 can do but that's not the point.......wii is no gimic justt because it got new feuturs dosn't mean it's a chinis made, japens planned little crap... so the pc has more games it's games are better online and well 100% of what you can do,and more,on a 360 you can do on pc............. as for the ps,well they forgot the dvd market ,the toester market and the gameing market are not the same......so who wanted Blu-ray any 1 noo no one wanted that pus other jammed in shit.so if you want eye cany get a good pc and monitor,gameing/fun wii ,or why not get both












i totally agree with you give me power over gimmick anyday.also how many differnt ways can you possibily serve up friggin mario.

30.5.2007 07:19 #33

mododaz

Originally posted by JorDogg:at least a PS3 or Xbox 360 can come out with a dinky little controller like the wii as a add-on if people want it (like buzz, singstar, guatir hero) and run it alot better then the wii will be able to. i doubt theres much room for the wi to get better as its proberlly already at its limits of what it can do, it was phase out! wouldnt surprise me if sony and microsoft actually listened to this and came out with a better option which will backfire on nintendo haha ok agree (not)let's shuv buch of shit what we don't need and ,,,well we have a console.The ps3 can fly eggs around the room and it beat bill gates in a game of chess.. the 360 is just for ppl who carn't aford a ps3,now the wii is a stly of gaming .and by the way who thought the ds was gimic and would,nt hold it's sales.... yer most of you .well as i posted before i did and beet the psp high and low hahahahahah ia'm right

30.5.2007 07:29 #34

mododaz

fine i'll stop posten this is the last onewhy is everyone disin the wii... because it's pwn all right bow when the360 was out this time there year it didn't sell as much... what nintendo did was smarter then all... not making the only aidence teens and some adults SOME!!! no the wii is aimed at a wider aidence then it's well you know.thats the real reason why it's out sellin and nintendo is all ways 110 steps ahead cos thats when nindento thated yes well over a 100 years and it first amde games (card ones)

30.5.2007 07:37 #35

mododaz

oops double post

30.5.2007 07:40 #36

anubis66

again, sales dont matter to me. i am a consumer. sales matter to them and their greedy grimy pockets. continue to fuel nintendos outright rape of your wallet if you want. it costs nearly double what its worth. not to mention a loaded wiimote is $60..wtf, for some ir and no other material? gees they really need money.

30.5.2007 07:47 #37

ThaJazz

can't afford a ps3 are you a f..king fool or what so the only people that own the 360 are broke at 400.00 plus games and controllers and xboxlive one year is about or more than the ps3.and i guess since the wii cost 250.00 then wii owners are broke as hell too d..k head

30.5.2007 07:54 #38

ZippyDSM

buy used knock 20-80% off your game spending!

30.5.2007 08:24 #39

SProdigy

Okay, so a "loaded" Wiimote is $60, but you save $10 on every Wii game, since they are at least that much cheaper than their counterparts.

Anyone ever see the EGM combined average ratings on games based on the Mario franchise? They are the HIGHEST RATED GAMES period! When you buy "Mario" you are buying quality and people know this! Look at all the Mario Karts, Mario Parties and even spin-offs like Super Smash Bros. All solid games with tons of replay value and this is why they sell.

30.5.2007 08:40 #40

akaangus

Quote:not to mention a loaded wiimote is $60..wtf, for some ir and no other material? gees they really need money.Have you ever looked at what the guys at TrackIR want? :D

A Wii Remote plus nunchuck here is $45+25
A PS3 Controller is $59
A Wireless 360 controller is $45, but has less tech than the other two

So really a wii remote and nunchuck is only $10 more than the PS3 controller, which is generally the difference between a PS3 game ($69) and a Wii game ($59).

Not to apologize for Nintendo, but I'd rather have cheaper games than cheaper controllers, because you only buy the controllers once!

Edit: SProdigy posted while I was typing, and we made the same point pretty much ;)

30.5.2007 08:44 #41

scott2k7

a wii remote+nunchuk ere is £50 twice as cheap in america

30.5.2007 09:11 #42

ZeroHour

the good thing about nintendo is that it is only a gaming company. the problem with sony and x360 is that they sell LOTS AND LOTS of other electronics so they try to encorperate those products into their consoules driving up the price.

30.5.2007 09:45 #43

scott2k7

good point like sony with blu ray and xbox with edia center

my psps lifes
psp 1:2.0>2.5>2.6 brick
psp 2(current):2.6>2.80>2.81>2.82>3.03>1.5>3.03oe-c>1.5(bored lol)>3.03oe-c>3.40oe-c>1.5>3.03oe-a

my gamescore is crap i no but saints row on live is the best bby any1 wanna challenge me bring it!!!!

30.5.2007 11:41 #44

scott2k7

good point like sony with blu ray and xbox with media center

my psps lifes
psp 1:2.0>2.5>2.6 brick
psp 2(current):2.6>2.80>2.81>2.82>3.03>1.5>3.03oe-c>1.5(bored lol)>3.03oe-c>3.40oe-c>1.5>3.03oe-a

my gamescore is crap i no but saints row on live is the best bby any1 wanna challenge me bring it!!!!

30.5.2007 11:41 #45

nintenut

Originally posted by anubis66:again, sales dont matter to me. i am a consumer. sales matter to them and their greedy grimy pockets. continue to fuel nintendos outright rape of your wallet if you want. it costs nearly double what its worth. not to mention a loaded wiimote is $60..wtf, for some ir and no other material? gees they really need money.Now, this one made me laugh, Nintendo is a company, as is Sony and Microsoft, their top priority is to make money. You're acting like Nintendo is some kind of conspiracy movement. :P

30.5.2007 12:51 #46

ThaJazz

i think the wii is the best console ever made and it has the most power and the best game lineup ever saw.and its online game is second to none so screw M$ and sony.no more 360 or ps3 the wii is the best ever.all hail mario the great

30.5.2007 12:52 #47

akaangus

Originally posted by ThaJazz:i think the wii is the best console ever made and it has the most power and the best game lineup ever saw.and its online game is second to noneI certainly hope this is a joke... everything in that quote doesn't make any sense what so ever... lol. And I am a Nintendo fan, the only new system I own is a Wii.

So, was that a joke? ;)

Edit: Best console ever right now is going to the big N64 IMO, and as for game lineup, neither of the current gen can compete with systems that have been out for 5 years or more... And honestly, the Wii is pretty weak with pretty much every game being a lousy or decent port of a Gamecube or DS game.

Most power is a toss-up between 360 and PS3, though personally I'd give PS3 the edge but could probably be debated the other way.

Online is clearly xbox. Even though I hate paying, from what I've heard it's worth it.

30.5.2007 18:01 #48

anubis66

Quote:Now, this one made me laugh, Nintendo is a company, as is Sony and Microsoft, their top priority is to make money. You're acting like Nintendo is some kind of conspiracy movement. :Pexactly what i thought someone would say. but the thing is is the other two are not doing it to such an extreme. my ps3 cost sony 850. a wii cost nintendo 150. sure it helps them, but i as a consumer am not satified by them being happy nd me not being so happy.

30.5.2007 19:42 #49

nintenut

If you don't like the product, that's your problem, most people however, do, and majority wins out in this business, my friend. The Wii costs less to make than the consumer buys it for, and yet it's still half you spend on a 360, you know what that is? A freaking business plan.
Your only other argument is that it's older technology, this is valid, however, the only other point you've made so far is that you don't like it, and the rest is rambling about how real gamers' like ps60 and how Nintendo is a greedy fat executive type. :P
No, just no, as I've said before, empty fanboy arguments from you, anubis66, do mankind a favor and shut your noise.

30.5.2007 22:48 #50

ThaJazz

i think the wii is the best damn console ever made.it has way more power than the ps3 and the 360.and has better games than both combined.and that controller you cant beat that.its so awsome who need the 360 or the ps3 when there is super wii.i love my wii

31.5.2007 04:09 #51

ChromeMud

I NEED a Wii...seriously...GOTTA GOOooo!

31.5.2007 04:20 #52

scott2k7

i got the last one in game in meadowhall on saturday is there any good chips out for it?

31.5.2007 04:22 #53

spydah

Originally posted by mododaz:fine i'll stop posten this is the last onewhy is everyone disin the wii... because it's pwn all right bow when the360 was out this time there year it didn't sell as much... what nintendo did was smarter then all... not making the only aidence teens and some adults SOME!!! no the wii is aimed at a wider aidence then it's well you know.thats the real reason why it's out sellin and nintendo is all ways 110 steps ahead cos thats when nindento thated yes well over a 100 years and it first amde games (card ones)I have to slightly disagree with you on Nintendo being ahead. Yes currently their sales are up and yes currently when you dont have $400+ for the other 2 systems the Wii is more attractive. But up until the Wii was released Nintendo was hurting for sales because they always was behind in times with how they made their systems especially with the N64. They stuck it out with cartridges that cost more to make then system. Which wasnt the greatest move. But in the long run Nintendo has always stayed true to their gaming roots never really bowing out adding extra features that wasnt included in making their games better. The Wii is a great product now but at some point it will get old because its currently using all of its resources and this is not to say its gonna be a boring or trashy unit soon its just once the crazy is over what else can they offer with this system is the main question. And before yall bashers hit my post this is not a dis against the Wii. I like the Wii and will get one soon but the point of this is all these companies make piss poor marketing moves and currently Nintendo choose the best move to jump ahead for right now. Remember the time being sales really dont say whos winning or losing its who last.

31.5.2007 07:23 #54

ThaJazz

the wii is better than ps3 and 360 and has better grafix and better games and better controllers.and its online is much better than live and its free so you know that makes it better than the 360.so screw the 360 and the ps3 its all about that powerhouse we all call the wii.iam such a wii lover cant you tell.

31.5.2007 07:46 #55

spydah

Lol I agree kinda sorta but the other consoles do have something to offer besides its price.

31.5.2007 07:50 #56

spydah

Well i really dont agree to much with the graphics part. But i guess thats all a matter of opinion then i guess huh.

31.5.2007 07:55 #57

ThaJazz

the wii is the best ever and games are so adult.the ps3 and 360 are kiddie consoles.dont you think long live the great wii and king mario

31.5.2007 07:59 #58

anubis66

thejazz, you are reprosenting exactly how wii fans act about their wii, its so funny. i can even argue that the ps3 is better in ANY way besides graphics to a wii owner. they are all "omg omg wii pwns the controller is so original and so fun and all the games rock socks"



Quote:If you don't like the product, that's your problem, most people however, do, and majority wins out in this business, my friend. The Wii costs less to make than the consumer buys it for, and yet it's still half you spend on a 360, you know what that is? A freaking business plan. yes, a business plan to help the business more. not to help me out at all or get me something nicers for a cheaper than its worth price. so you take pride if downing all that money to a company? the wii could have the graphics to play ut2004 on high if they boosted the gpu up to a gain of even $25 per unit. but they screw you out of your own buck for some controller that really is not too fantastic. i'm sure people will be tired of swinging around in a few years.

31.5.2007 09:08 #59

nintenut

At this point there's no point in arguing with you, you're a hopeless case, your mind is closed and your opinions based on nothing more than the fact that the Wii makes money and that the graphics' are sub par, a fanboy.
The PS3 and Xbox360 have amazing graphics, but cost twice as much as the Wii, the Xbox costs 70$ more than it does to make, whereas the Wii costs 100$ more. Great, their both making money for their respective company's, or is that bad? Is Microsoft a fat executive lining it's pocket's with money they earned by selling their product and "screwing you out of your own buck"?
No, they make money because people like their product and are willing to spend that money to get one, same with the Wii.

Nintendo has said multiple times that they aren't focusing on graphics, but gameplay, the only information in that statement that managed to break through the barrier of stupidity around your mind was that the Wii's graphics are bad, great, so now you're going to try to bash it by comparing the Wii's graphics to the PS3/360's.
It doesn't work like that, I'm not saying that the gameplay is going to completely compensate for the lack of graphics, it's just that most Wii gamers don't mind it.
I'm not getting "screwed you out of my own buck" if I enjoy the product.

31.5.2007 14:09 #60

sk8flawzz

i agree with u nintenut, people arent getting screwed out of their buck cause no one forces them to buy one
and watch that guy be driving some like 12mpg vehicle...with fuel prices the way they are thats companies stuffing their fat pockets, i wonder if he complains about THAT, prob not since hes a fanboy
but back on topic, congrats to the Wii for being such an awesome system

31.5.2007 14:15 #61

anubis66

Quote:I'm not getting "screwed you out of my own buck" if I enjoy the product.this is the argument every wii fan makes. but why pay more and have them do less for you?


and just because they say its not focused on graphics, doesn't mean i cant bash it for sucking in that depot. a few more dollars would have gone a long way with significant profits still to be made. i don't want to be up and moving all the time for gaming, its more of a hassle sometimes that it is fun. also the wiimote ruins certain types of games asmuch as it makes some better. have you played that price of persia game for example?

we'll see of the wii can stand the test of time, and if people will truly enjoy moving and swinging for every game for a few years, not to mention the poorer hardware will look worse in a few years time.


and i noticed harrison talking about sony and ms lack dna to read the market. i seem to remember nintendo holding their tails between their legs about the wii before it sold to well. what confidence. they didnt even expect the wii do be good. they stumble onto luck and riding it like it was the idea the whole time.

31.5.2007 17:34 #62

ZippyDSM

anubis66
I dunno I think the wii would have been such a hit at 350 if nin put 360 like graphics in it plus nin dose not have the money to waste on selling at a loss,however I do think nin has not really revolutionized control they have merely changed interface but have not really dealt with the lack of control options in todays gaming.

the WII is solid and will do well for itself mainly because there will always be a market for cheaper new gaming even if new system sales halve twice they can go for another 5 years easily, I have been mulling over a better dual motion design it involes 2 analog sticks and a few buttons but most importantly switches to switch between analog and motion and swapping left and right, I might not can build it but I can think it up,I think such a design is the best because begin able to switch between analog and motion is important on a personal control level sure it wont work for every game but the ones that use it for flat plane movement and aiming it can come in handy .

31.5.2007 17:49 #63

anubis66

accually, look at nintendows earnings. they dont have the money? they are kidding you, dont kid yourelf. http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16347

good for business. now all that surplus cash came from people buy well overpriced product. share the profit, don't reap it.

31.5.2007 20:23 #64

ZippyDSM

anubis66
Nin unlike Sony and MS have to make their money with what they have they don't have a OS/movie/tech thing going to plug the hole while millions are lost in sales or start up they could do it but why take the risk when what they have is good enough?

I find so far the 360 is not worth the price the PS3 is sure as hell not worth the price and the WII is barely worth it not because of graphics because the controls feel kinda tacted on and need extra polish to really work right.

I don't think creativity or control will be dealt with in this cycle of gaming...

31.5.2007 21:27 #65

ThaJazz

the 360 is worth the money for sure maybe not the other two but yes the 360 is really a nice console with good solid games. and a solid online service.dont beat the 360 to death over the heat thing that has gotten a lot better.i have hade mine over a year no problems at all.not trying to dis the wii or the ps3 but the games on the wii are too childish for my tast but my children love it so i guess its ok.and the ps3 has no games that excite me right now it just collect dust.but my 360 i have tons of fun with that.but in short Zip i do agree these things are a bit on the expensive side but what are you going to do you gotta pay to play.

1.6.2007 04:54 #66

mglez86

this always happens, when someone has one console, it will attack the others saying stupid stuff they can't prove, if you have wii you can't talk about ps3 or xbox, they same goes for owners of ps3 or xbox, but everyone wants to attack to feel like they made the right decision, guess what? you all made the right decision if you feel ok with your console, and if you are gonna talk bad about a console it should be because you own one, not because you don't own it, i have a ps2, no wii, no ps3, no xbox, i love my ps2 and i don't want any of the rest for now, until i see someone say stuff that actually makes sense, ps2 for me plays movies and games, good """""enough""""", get that??? so please people, start telling me about the experience you have with your consoles and not the experience you think you won't be able to have with the rest, i hope i didn't make any fanboy feel bad, and wait i can see it coming.. 3 ... 2... 1....

1.6.2007 07:27 #67

scott2k7

i have wii and xbox 360 i am only critisizing the ps3 because the collection of games give it a year and i might...

1.6.2007 07:29 #68

anubis66

ps3 and wii both dont have anything for games past a few that im sure most fans have overplayed.

1.6.2007 08:18 #69

nintenut

Originally posted by mglez86:this always happens, when someone has one console, it will attack the others saying stupid stuff they can't prove, if you have wii you can't talk about ps3 or xbox, they same goes for owners of ps3 or xbox, but everyone wants to attack to feel like they made the right decision, guess what? you all made the right decision if you feel ok with your console, and if you are gonna talk bad about a console it should be because you own one, not because you don't own it, i have a ps2, no wii, no ps3, no xbox, i love my ps2 and i don't want any of the rest for now, until i see someone say stuff that actually makes sense, ps2 for me plays movies and games, good """""enough""""", get that???Exactly, best post here thus far. :)

1.6.2007 10:08 #70

aone

Originally posted by mglez86:so please people, start telling me about the experience you have with your consoles and not the experience you think you won't be able to have with the rest, i hope i didn't make any fanboy feel bad, and wait i can see it coming.. 3 ... 2... 1....hm so i have no say for the 360 as the person who owns it will not share >(.

the wii is fun - period. if you've got friends, the novelty will never wear out. i rarely play when by myself unless i wanna throw myself into zelda and it's sometimes fun to master wii play and wii sports. my non-gamer brother loves the TMNT game though. he's hooked the wii into his plasma these days and doesn't stop for hours. games like, again, wii sports and wii play and monkey ball rock for kids...though monkey ball is kinda hard for especially young ones. we've downloaded the classic marios and the sims to play on the wii and it's nostalgic, lemme tell ya. it's an all around social console. pretty awesome. can't wait to play mario party 8 this weekend. and as a bonus, it's pretty mobile, easily moved from place to place.

now, the ps3 failed to impress me (plus as someone's pointed out, it resembles a certain hamburger grill.) yea, it's badass graphics wise, but if you don't have an hd tv and you aren't prepared to shell out money for blu rays (which are usually $10 to $20 more than regular dvds), then eh, don't waste your money. even if you are, the game selection isn't too hot right now with the only game i'm interested in being final fantasy XIII (<---excitement!!!!). the ps2 games that are compatible are slightly pixelated, but that'll happen on any hd tv anyway...i think. the loading time doesn't seem to be any faster...maybe a little bit. i don't play with it much. it really just sits there. the wireless control is the same old control, nothing new there. and i haven't tried out the internet capabilities of the ps3 yet.

anywho, hope it helps. i'm really not biased against the ps3 except for being very disappointed in it. but eh, whatever.

1.6.2007 14:17 #71

diableria

lol nintendo wii is more powerful than ps3 and 360??? hahahaha its selling more, yes. but its by far the weakest of the 3 from a technologically point of view.

2.6.2007 06:50 #72

diableria

and wii's graphics are the crappiest next gen graphics ive ever seen

2.6.2007 06:51 #73

nintenut

This is common knowledge, thanks for pointing it out diableria.
Double post as well, nice.

2.6.2007 06:59 #74

ThaJazz

nintendo is the greatest for giving us the wii i think that it is so original.and the controll is perfectand paper mario is better than Gears of War and fall of man.so nintendo fanboys iam on your side.and dont listen when they say our beloved console is game cube ver 1.5 i mean who want power and great looking games who needs that when you can jump around with your wiimot.now thats fun.and just know this the wii is for the whole family to enjoy not just you.becaues the 360 and the ps3 is to high end for most people to understand the concept.

2.6.2007 08:30 #75

ChromeMud

If I wanted to move around a lot and be entertained then I'd rather
ride my Suzuki SV1000,loads more fun than any console.
I'll stick with traditional consoles,thanx...

2.6.2007 09:52 #76

ZippyDSM

Originally posted by ThaJazz:nintendo is the greatest for giving us the wii i think that it is so original.and the controll is perfectand paper mario is better than Gears of War and fall of man.so nintendo fanboys iam on your side.and dont listen when they say our beloved console is game cube ver 1.5 i mean who want power and great looking games who needs that when you can jump around with your wiimot.now thats fun.and just know this the wii is for the whole family to enjoy not just you.becaues the 360 and the ps3 is to high end for most people to understand the concept.Sorry Mario is not that good Sunshine was off balanced and Galaxey seems to have "quirks" of its own I'll save great for Mario when they can bring SM3 or SMW to 3d without screwing over the power ups and forms.

Gears is good but missing something maybe I just not have played enough maybe I have gone insane it seems most new games are missing a bit of something something .....

2.6.2007 12:30 #77

scott2k7

i can complete Gears of War in 2 hours on insane me and my m8 on his save...

2.6.2007 13:06 #78

ZippyDSM

Originally posted by scott2k7:i can complete Gears of War in 2 hours on insane me and my m8 on his save...and on sunshine the jump zones will have you frustrated for hours tryign to move on to the next level,the game is solid but thos moving block levels should not be mandatory....

2.6.2007 13:19 #79

hughjars

Originally posted by ChromeMud:If I wanted to move around a lot and be entertained then I'd rather
ride my Suzuki SV1000,loads more fun than any console. - SV1000? Very nice bike.

Couldn't agree more btw, my own 1100R is a zillion times better than any games console.

2.6.2007 13:26 #80

diableria

lmao @paper mario is better than Gears of War, sure it is if your about 12 LMAO

3.6.2007 21:27 #81

ZippyDSM

Originally posted by diableria:lmao @paper mario is better than Gears of War, sure it is if your about 12 LMAOIf they did a real 3D Mario RPG it might be better :X

3.6.2007 21:33 #82

jimmer

most wii owners have the iq of a slug, so yeah the wii console suits them well

3.6.2007 22:13 #83

ZippyDSM

Originally posted by jimmer:most wii owners have the iq of a slug, so yeah the wii console suits them welland more PS3 owners have more moeny than brains and the CPU is not duct taped onto the heat sink like the 360 ,your point?

3.6.2007 22:17 #84

akaangus

Quote:most wii owners have the iq of a slug, so yeah the wii console suits them wellWhat an insightful statement from somebody who understands proper sentences, you know that end in periods and start with capital letters? Oops I guess us slugs aren't able to understand, my bad.

5.6.2007 00:43 #85

anubis66

i'd have to say the average brains of wii owners i know are less developed in the technical area, i.e. knowledge or care of computers past having one and using it. not saying all are this way, but a majority leans that way. dont give me shit for saying that, its just from what i've collected from those around me, and i'm not pointing fingers.

5.6.2007 09:53 #86

anubis66

this is exactly what i was trying to say before READ
its CliffB dincussing how the wii will diteriorate the gaming industry for those really into it but catering to those notso by the success of the wii.

http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/0611200...quality_of_life

12.6.2007 08:37 #87

ZippyDSM

Originally posted by anubis66:this is exactly what i was trying to say before READ
its CliffB dincussing how the wii will diteriorate the gaming industry for those really into it but catering to those notso by the success of the wii.

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you point being?
Graphics and physics mean shit if a game is not fun or well designed and gameplay itself has been rotting for almost 10 years with little movement to evolve it, the WII gives a chance to sit back and relax on thos 2 fronts and work on the core of a game.

the WII is mroe than strong enough to run most games with lil damage to physics its not that far off from the 360 for Christ sakes....


"If these are the type of games that become blockbusters, then you can count on other gaming companies who cater to the more hardcore gamer--aka me and the milions of others who've been driving this business--to promptly change direction."

I so love that I am sorry but todays hardcore gamer is the backbone of the horde of zombie casual gamers they lap up anythign the industry tosses at them and only seem to complain about weak graphics...well guess what I am sick of weak unpolished GAMES!
50$ mediocre games are BS the industry I wish gamers would wake up and stop being mezmorized by the "oooo shiny" petty look.