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Microsoft hints at $199 Xbox 360

Looking at a market analysis and seeing how well rival Nintendo is doing with its $250 Wii, the people over at Microsoft have started to turn around the ideas that they need a $199US console on the market. Thats what product manager David Hufford has hinted at. Hufford stated that he believes the $199 price point is the sweet spot in the console market and even stated that Nintendo's strategy of bundling a game with the console is a fine idea.

Microsoft comments that its fully aware that Sony's PS2 is still selling strong at its $129 price point and was a good deal since mid-2002 when it was reduced to $199 just after 2 years on the market. Sony boasts some 120 million PS2s shipped with a majority of them being sold post-2002.



Microsoft claims that even though they already take a hefty loss per console sold, that its ready to take an even bigger hit to have the opportunity to sell more units. They believe in their product and feel that the sell of games will make up for the loss in the cost of console production. Hufford also was heard at hinting of emulating Nintendo's sales tactic and could possibly include a pack-in game to coincide with the price drop.

Source:
ITWire

Written by: Dave Horvath @ 8 Jun 2007 19:31

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• juanpollo

  Not bad of a move from M$, just hoping for a PS3 price drop also.

  8.6.2007 19:37 #1

• Moomoo2

  I'd buy one if the price dropped that low.

  8.6.2007 19:43 #2

• AXT

  If that's the case I might get one for Christmas with a copy of Halo 3. I like sony and all, but you can't compete with a 200 dollar console. I hope that the premium version will be sold for $250.

  8.6.2007 19:51 #3

• thegrunt

  Yes,I need a new one.I hate Microsoft for being able to sell us these F***ed up consoles

  8.6.2007 20:10 #4

• fgamer

  Microsoft is definately due to drop the 360's price soon, I think it'd be excellent strategy to drop it to a $200 price point. What do they have to lose? Not much but get a gain in sales..

  8.6.2007 20:39 #5

• Wylee

  i wonder tho, why dont they jus mod the consoles (without having anything to do with piracy) and sell them for more...i modded my xbox, and all the vids i have and music and stuff on my pc i can stream to my xbox, or lyke i can use internet on my xbox, or copy game discs to hdd so instead worry about scratching a cd i know i have the files to back it up, tell me if im wrong but isnt that smart? to mod the console and sell it for more?

  8.6.2007 21:01 #6

• Pop_Smith

  Here is the thing, Microsuck has lots of money and they are profiting from Vista so even if they are loosing money with the 360 (I believe the XBox 1 was also sold at a loss) they probably make up for it in accessories, XBox Live and some of the games.
  
  I know XBox Live is a big money generator for them, especially with Microsuck "points" which is their currency for 360 Marketplace use.
  
  If they sold the "Elite" at the current Premium price ($400 instead of $480) and dropped the Premium package to <$300 that would probably help sales quite a bit.
  
  Peace

  8.6.2007 21:50 #7

• Spenman91

  I like the idea of $400 for the Elite. $300 for the premium. $200 for the core. But I still wish they would have put an HD-DVD drive in the Elite just for movies. Or maybe just bundle it with the console at a cheaper price. I think something like that would boost HD-DVD sells. Or offer the HD add on with any of the consoles or atleast the premium and Elite. Even if it was just at a cheaper price packaged with the console externally. But optional of course, so it wouldn't drive up the price for people who didn't want the add on.

  8.6.2007 22:14 #8

• Wylee

  just a comment..if m$ can make a console then so shud linux :p imagine that

  8.6.2007 22:15 #9

• Spenman91

  Would that not be extremely similar to the PS3 since it has Linux?

  8.6.2007 22:17 #10

• Wylee

  ps3 has linux???? in what way?
  

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  8.6.2007 22:43 #11

• borhan9

  At this price it will be worth looking at, but the issues is how many cuts are they going to take from the actual console to make it cheaper. Wii they just give a smaller Hard drive.

  9.6.2007 01:24 #12

• Riotard

  Don't you all fidn this funny how Sony were mentionign abut dropping the PS3 price, then all of a sudden M$ drop this bomb shell. I reckon Sony talkign about droppping the PS£ price is all publicity and M$ dropping the price of 360 is a good tatic and we shall wait and see if M$ called Sony's bluff or not. Still 360's are gonna be sellign now! after the launch of Halo 3 i reckon 3-4 million will be sold within the month of Halo 3 being released
  
  In responce to pop smith
  
  Microsoft has been split into 3 different companies now, so there profits are not inter linked. M$ has been sellign the consol for a loss since release, they realised that sellign it cheaper is a better stratagy becuase mroe ppl will by and the more games sales generated. The PS3 and 360 cost rounghly the same give $100. It justs shows a different stratagy, also because M$ publiush games beens they can make a bigger cut of profit from game sales,

  9.6.2007 02:49 #13

• akkuma

  not bad for a 360 and a game at around $250. ish! throw in xboxlive and you got a great deal!

  9.6.2007 04:00 #14

• mspurloc

  Yeah, since I think of my XBox as my Halo machine, that's all I'd need. I don't care about all the other frills.

  9.6.2007 06:19 #15

• 26r0cK

  im not a big xbox360 fan but with prices like these i just mite get one.tho no games id really wanna play. if mgs4 comes to xbox360, which i highly doubt it, then for sure id get one. but till then i follow wherever mgs and final fantasy goes, so its still PS3 for me :P

  9.6.2007 06:31 #16

• hughjars

  With the lower cost 65nm CPU & 65nm GPU coming they might even keep their costs in the black with this price cut
  (I don't believe they are still making a loss on it).
  
  It'll be interesting to see how they play this one but they are in a hugely strong position right now, financially.

  9.6.2007 07:24 #17

• rainofire

  Quote:They believe in their product and feel that the sell of games will make up for the loss in the cost of console production
  They must be joking. The 360 is much cheaper to produce, and in actuality they are making a huge profit for every console they sell. Due to the cheapness of the 360, I had to go back to the store and return it 3 TIMES. Oh and to the guy that ask if the ps3 has linux, It does, and you can install other versions of linux. Imagine Firefox on the PS3 yea, and a 200gb hdd that i bought for my ps3. Don't get me wrong the 360 is good, but my ps3 and wii don't breakdown JUST in 2 months. And the 360 overheats in 4 hours, my ps3 can stay on for a week and no heating problems(it does folding@home which uses both CPU n GPU to the max), the wii can go for a whole day. I put my trust in both Sony and Nintendo, there MORE reliable.

  9.6.2007 07:31 #18

• ucfmoe

  Sony has lost its exclusive license to Metal Gear Solid, so you might just see it coming out for XBOX360 sooner than you think.

  9.6.2007 07:35 #19

• hughjars

  According to these guys it just happened.
  
  Quote:HULIQ, NC - 52 minutes ago
  
  Microsoft Cuts Xbox 360 Price
  
  Microsoft surprised video console gamers with the new price for Xbox 360 – now it costs only $199.
  
  Microsoft’s Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Wii are hot rival and each are trying to win the market attracting more and more new customers. Currently Wii is ahead of Xbox, so Microsoft is moving on with marketing to win the battle.
  
  Currently the situation in the video game console market is the following Wii costs $250, Xbox 360 costs $299 at Amazon.com and the same console with a 20-GB hard drive costs $399, Sony's PlayStation 3 costs $599 and is equipped with a 60-GB drive.
  
  Market analysis shows monthly sales of each video game console for May in the Untied States: Wii sold 360000 units, Xbox 360 sold 174000 units, PlayStation sold 82000 units.
  
  Sony’s PlayStation is mainly oriented on hard gamers, who are willing to pay the price for performance quality and ‘real game’. It has a smaller, but at the same time a strong market.
  
  Nintendo's Wii has expanded its market including those, who are not hard gamers, but want to relax and enjoy for a short while. Besides the price, Nintendo also released a few games especially for dilettante gamers, and it won a large market with this strategy.
  
  Microsoft’s Xbox 360 has a ‘sweet spot’ for gamers, as said David Hufford, a director of Xbox product management. It has cut the price for the video game console.
  
  "If we don't make that move, make it early, and expand our demographic," Peter Moore, the head of Microsoft's interactive entertainment business division, told Bloomberg, "we will wind up in the same place as with Xbox 1, a solid business with 25 million people. What I need is a solid business with 90 million people."
  
  The next step of Microsoft is going to be enlarging the market. Xbox 360 aims to involve women, who are not hard gamers at all. But the new marketing strategy will have interesting offering for attracting women. For HULIQ.COM http://www.huliq.com/24134/microsoft-cuts-xbox-360-price

  9.6.2007 07:48 #20

• rainofire

  Did you know that Hideo kojima said that MGS4 is going to be about 50gb big. So i'm thinking how can the 9.5 DVD9 of the 360 fit a 50gb game, a 5 disc game perhaps. Thats ridiculous, there isn't even any solid evidence that it was going to go to the 360 And even if it was put into and hddvd disc with a capacity of 45gb, the 360 can't read hddvd without the extra add on. I know, i tried to put a hddvd disc in it and it don't read. 360 is a good console, but it's very unreliable, seeing that i have 3 broken 360's. Even though the 360 becomes cheaper, it doesn't guarantee that it will be more reliable, in fact it will be the opposite, I would suggest a wii or a ps3, they are more reliable, and breakdown less. My 1st 360 broke down in 1 month and 2 weeks.

  9.6.2007 09:40 #21

• hughjars

  If reliability is really your concern then I'd say you're better off getting the cooler & more power efficient 65nm version of the XBox 360 due out this fall/autumn.
  
  I would take everything any game developer & Co.'s claims about BD & 50gb with a sack of salt.....frankly I dont believe anyone when they claim to 'need' 50gbs
  (I might be wrong - in which case you're very welcome to correct me - but I suspect you've picked up on this wrong & it's actually a single layer 25gb BD disc they are referring to.....in which case only 3 DVD9's would do just fine - and if they ever do put games on HD DVD then on the existing DL 30gb - or one of the new 34gb - HD DVD discs would be more than enough.
  HD DVD's with 17gb per layer, up to 3 layers = 51gb, have been submitted & are currently undergoing certification at the DVD Forum).
  
  But the truth is the BD drive is simply there to push BD.
  
  BD is not something intrinsically essential to PS3 per se
  (as indeed Sony execs have already actually admitted).
  
  We'll be seeing soon enough when these games are crammed full of boring FMV (and my bet is that they won't let you skip the so-called 'eye candy' so they just become ever more annoying).
  Time will tell.

  9.6.2007 10:00 #22

• Wylee

  9.6.2007 10:25 #23

• rainofire

  I have been a member here for quite a while, but don't post much, and I know that you are actually a non-supporter of Blu-ray, and i know your reasons why. I wouldn't dare challenge you in that topic as you have some reasonable facts against Blu-ray. But even though the 360 is coming out with the new 65nm chip I truly don't think that it can really keep at its cool temperature for long. seeing as my 360 can't run 4 hours without the feel of intense heat, and i have gotten already a total of 4 360's. Knowing that those 65nm chips do lower production and overall system temperature, it doesn't mean that the system will be very much different from the first 360s, my 2nd 360 eats disc and my 3rd one had the ring of death, and less likely the 65nm will cut those chances in half. The regular 360 takes about 3-6 hours to overheat, but the 65nm chips will add about 2hours. When playing games that need the full force of the system then those hours will be tremendously lowered, and see as most of the 360 games push the 360 to boiling point. Cheap in price is good, but being cheap in reliablilty isn't. And yes i do know that the Blu-ray can only fit 25gb on a single layer, but bd drives can actually read up to dual layer. But why would you want to actually want a 3 disc game, i understand 2 disc. Seeing how games now take up more space on a disc than ever, Gears of War for example, it took up nearly all the space in the DVD9, The graphics were gorgous but the actual length of gameplay was short. I have had All the gaming consoles since SNES and i stand by the one with the best reliablity and quality. Even though M$ is trying to rip us off in everything, they should atleast listen to the paying customers about all the problems with there products, and im not talking only about the 360. Another example is 360 elite, its pretty much a black 360 with a larger harddrive and HDMI, that isn't very good at HDMI, goes for $479 and to make use of the HDMI you have to havve the HDDVD add on that goes from $100-$200(the price here on guam is $99.99, we have no tax here) and it sums up to a ps3, but a ps3 is much easier to setup. M$ didn't even work out the problems with it, I'm about to give up entirely on M$, they even banned my friends from XBL without a reason at all. At the end, if M$ isn't able to make quality systems then i would stick to nintendo and sony.

  9.6.2007 11:15 #24

• hughjars

  Looks like Microsoft have given themselves a bad name with you rainofire, can't say as I blame you with 4 bad experiences.
  
  But I will say this regarding why go for multiple DVD9's?
  
  Cos it's (IMO) less likely to lead to lazy publishing.
  
  I'll happily stand corrected when they appear if I'm wrong but I thnk you're far more likely to get 2 x DVD9's worth of actual game than with 1 x 25gb of BD.
  I honestly can see BD (for a long time) leading to nothing but even more tedious FMV padding - especially in a publishing environment where (besides some 'in-house' titles) the PS3 has little genuinely 'exclusive' content.
  
  .....and I do know this much about HDMI.
  The XBox Elite has HDMI 1.2a and the PS3 has 1.3.
  
  The PS's HDMI 1.3 is actually limited in some audio respects
  (see here -
  www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/08/no-dolby-truehd-or-DTS-hd-for-ps3-owners/ )
  and the XBox Elite's 1.2a is good enough for full multi-channel DTS & DD and to the same multi-channel standard as full SACD & DVD-Audio.....which to my ears are very very high quality.
  
  Now I know better can be found (actually than either console can manage.....and it remains to be seen whether the PS3 can be improved via new firmwares) but I really would not be making claims that replicating audio to full SACD or DVD-Audio standard isn't being "very good at HDMI".
  
  By all means state you personal experience with Microsoft's XBox 360's as very fair points but I do find that comment about the respective HDMI standards offered (particularly when the receivers to fully take advantage of HDMI 1.3 & 1.3a are so thin on the ground) don't really stand up.
  
  Bear in mind that the vast majority of all HDMI devices in homes with HD TV (which is, in the 2 biggest '1st world' markets, at best somewhere around the 30% region in the USA and much much lower in Europe) have HDMI 1.1 or 1.2.

  9.6.2007 12:10 #25

• rainofire

  hughjars you are very talented when it comes to debate such as HDMI and Blu-ray, and i know that it will be very unwise challenging you. You are very wise and intellegent, although as you say that the Elite is better for audio, I have yet to see(or hear). I have much trouble with the elite for anything HDMI compared to the ps3. You have your opinion in things and i have mine, you are a non-Blu-ray supporter while I am. But i wouldn't consider me a fan of sony, as I also support Nintendo in there way of innovation. See I think great things can't be accomplish without trying, Blu-ray or HDDVD and the ps3 and wii are still early and we won't know if they become great successes or total flops, all we can do is wait. Google for example, the founders want to make a search engine that would make searching easier, they tried there ideas and look now, google is the most use search engine in the world, so before putting things down we should wait what is in store for those ideas. Sony,Nintendo,M$ are merely putting their ideas into action, Sony has Blu-ray, Nintendo has the innovation, M$ has HDDVD and they are going to see if there ideas will make an impact in the world. Although M$ had da 360 for a yr almost 2yrs and the problems with it doesn't seem to slow down.

  9.6.2007 12:45 #26

• davrules

  Originally posted by rainofire:Did you know that Hideo kojima said that MGS4 is going to be about 50gb big. So i'm thinking how can the 9.5 DVD9 of the 360 fit a 50gb game, a 5 disc game perhaps. Thats ridiculous, there isn't even any solid evidence that it was going to go to the 360 And even if it was put into and hddvd disc with a capacity of 45gb, the 360 can't read hddvd without the extra add on. I know, i tried to put a hddvd disc in it and it don't read. 360 is a good console, but it's very unreliable, seeing that i have 3 broken 360's. Even though the 360 becomes cheaper, it doesn't guarantee that it will be more reliable, in fact it will be the opposite, I would suggest a wii or a ps3, they are more reliable, and breakdown less. My 1st 360 broke down in 1 month and 2 weeks.The reason your 360 keeps dieing is because you don't know how to take care of it. I've had my 360 since launch and it hasn't froze on me once. You have to learn how to clean them, and stuff like that. I can play on mine for damn near 12 hours straight. I also leave it on all night when watching movies. The problem isn't the 360, its the owner.

  9.6.2007 12:55 #27

• davrules

  Originally posted by rainofire:I have been a member here for quite a while, but don't post much, and I know that you are actually a non-supporter of Blu-ray, and i know your reasons why. I wouldn't dare challenge you in that topic as you have some reasonable facts against Blu-ray. But even though the 360 is coming out with the new 65nm chip I truly don't think that it can really keep at its cool temperature for long. seeing as my 360 can't run 4 hours without the feel of intense heat, and i have gotten already a total of 4 360's. Knowing that those 65nm chips do lower production and overall system temperature, it doesn't mean that the system will be very much different from the first 360s, my 2nd 360 eats disc and my 3rd one had the ring of death, and less likely the 65nm will cut those chances in half. The regular 360 takes about 3-6 hours to overheat, but the 65nm chips will add about 2hours. When playing games that need the full force of the system then those hours will be tremendously lowered, and see as most of the 360 games push the 360 to boiling point. Cheap in price is good, but being cheap in reliablilty isn't. And yes i do know that the Blu-ray can only fit 25gb on a single layer, but bd drives can actually read up to dual layer. But why would you want to actually want a 3 disc game, i understand 2 disc. Seeing how games now take up more space on a disc than ever, Gears of War for example, it took up nearly all the space in the DVD9, The graphics were gorgous but the actual length of gameplay was short. I have had All the gaming consoles since SNES and i stand by the one with the best reliablity and quality. Even though M$ is trying to rip us off in everything, they should atleast listen to the paying customers about all the problems with there products, and im not talking only about the 360. Another example is 360 elite, its pretty much a black 360 with a larger harddrive and HDMI, that isn't very good at HDMI, goes for $479 and to make use of the HDMI you have to havve the HDDVD add on that goes from $100-$200(the price here on guam is $99.99, we have no tax here) and it sums up to a ps3, but a ps3 is much easier to setup. M$ didn't even work out the problems with it, I'm about to give up entirely on M$, they even banned my friends from XBL without a reason at all. At the end, if M$ isn't able to make quality systems then i would stick to nintendo and sony.The ring of death. Wow, all that symbolizes is your video cord is bad or your powersupply isn't properly connected. I've had it a few times. It's that same exact reason. M$ made a damn good system. I love my 360, I can play on it all day and night with no problems. The thing is theres always going to be M$/Nintendo/Sony. Oh about MGS. Lets see The wii has the same specs as the Gamecube so nope. Playstation 3 and 360 are the ones who will take the cake. I think it will go to 360 however. (I've seen wierder stuff happen.) It's been on playstation way too long. Oh and 50GBs. Yeah i highly doubt it.

  9.6.2007 13:01 #28

• hughjars

  Originally posted by rainofire:hughjars you are very talented when it comes to debate such as HDMI and Blu-ray, and i know that it will be very unwise challenging you. You are very wise and intellegent - Dude you made me blush and I thank you for your very flattering comments.
  
  Good luck to you & yours. ;)

  9.6.2007 13:02 #29

• rainofire

  My consoles all stay in a well ventilated display case, next to my Tv. And tell me how is it I take care of my wii and ps3 just like the 360, but its only the 360 that has the problem, and how is it i only touch the system to put in and take out games, buts the 360 that chewed my Gears of War. ALSO this has happen to my other friends who had a 360 but they got the ring of death on there first ones. It annoys me when someone tells me that i don't take care of my console, while i take care of them as really expensive and fragile things. None of my other last gen and older systems don't break down, but its only the 360 that breaks, I clean the whole entire tv area every 2 days, I clean all the vents, give them adequate ventilation, keep the stuff dust free, buts its the 360 that breaks down. I'm tired of going back and forth to gamestop just to exchange the 360S, they didnt even exchange my Gears of War for a new one, I complained to M$ about this and they just kept me on hold, just like what they did to my friend when they wondered how they got ban from XBL. I'm truly losing trust in M$, until they can make their huge system failure rate lower(truly out of all the consoles the 360 has the highest failure rate). I'm just keep getting new 360s just because of Halo3, but im not so sure if my patients with M$ will last, I may just give up on Halo 3.

  9.6.2007 13:19 #30

• 360OwNeR

  Originally posted by Wylee:just a comment..if m$ can make a console then so shud linux :p imagine that
  well if linux can make a consol so can MAC..(pause...) HAHAHA YEAH RIGHT!

  9.6.2007 13:34 #31

• gozilla

  apple did make a console. it was a complete disaster.

  9.6.2007 19:36 #32

• Spenman91

  I don't remember what was it?

  9.6.2007 19:45 #33

• borhan9

  Originally posted by gozilla:apple did make a console. it was a complete disaster.I would love to know what this was??

  9.6.2007 19:56 #34

• rainofire

  IBOX LOL

  9.6.2007 20:31 #35

• Spenman91

  I don't think so, lol.
  
  I found it though. It's the Apple Pippin.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pippin

  9.6.2007 20:40 #36

• NexGen76

  http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/06/08/551072.aspx
  
  There might not be a price cut after all.

  9.6.2007 22:40 #37

• Riotard

  Ghey:(
  
  still apple doing a consol, what were u can only get games for it off the market place called igames, which excessivly charges you for **** games! LOL I could imagen that!

  10.6.2007 02:26 #38

• killaklan

  its highly unlikely that the 360 will be $199...its new gen tech and it will come at a loss if sold at that price

  10.6.2007 07:07 #39

• akaangus

  IF it goes to $199 then it won't be for at least a couple of months so they can milk the Elite for all they can first.

  10.6.2007 09:43 #40

• SProdigy

  You are aware that Metal Gear 4 is coming to 360 as well right? I'll have to find the article...
  
  And you do know that the Wii is the ONLY system that makes money out of the box... right? Pick up the latest copy of Fortune magazine, where there's an article detailing how Nintendo has turned around (and how they make money off of EACH console sold, while MS and Sony DO NOT.)

  10.6.2007 15:47 #41

• ChromeMud

  I think I'm one of the lucky few million that are happy with the 360.
  I tried to kill mine from new with a 24 hour burn in with the fans going full bore with a few games but it wouldn't die.
  I decided then that mine was a good 'un and have played it since launch,streamed music/videos from the PC and watched DVD's on it
  too.My friends have 360's too and they havn't had problems either.
  
  It's a shame that people who bought faulty 360's were unlucky when they got a faulty replacement.I would of given
  up too after that.Microsoft could of doubled their market-share
  if they had better quality control but they fu##ed up there.
  In terms of it's technical architecture and software support,it's
  really good and many developers seem to like it.
  It's online system is great and yakking with friends whilst playing
  a game is a standard feature that I wouldn't be without.
  
  I hope Microsoft learns from it's mistake with overheating issues.
  I remember the first Xbox being reliable so I don't think they tested
  the 360 enough this time.Rushed production to get it to market first
  has definitely damaged their brand image and I can't imagine the
  damage it has caused to it's revenue.
  Consumers will be very wise to any future products,be it their next
  console or what ever.The wound is deep and will take a long time
  to heal but a scar will always remain.

  11.6.2007 06:36 #42

• NexGen76

  Quote:You are aware that Metal Gear 4 is coming to 360 as well right? I'll have to find the article...Thats only a rumor again that was once shot down.But nothing has be confirmed as of yet.

  11.6.2007 09:13 #43

• justme81

  Apple's games console was Apple Pippin. Found on wiki

  11.6.2007 10:21 #44

• ZippyDSM

  shot down
  http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option...d=5931&Itemid=2
  
  
  however for the core its still reasonable.

  11.6.2007 11:51 #45

• hughjars

  I suspect it's little more than a matter of timing zippy.

  11.6.2007 13:55 #46

• diableria

  with that price whod wanna buy a crappy wii, probably little kids and teen girls

  15.6.2007 09:20 #47

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by hughjars:I suspect it's little more than a matter of timing zippy.
  Mmmmm my bet is Xmas a price lowering will come,it might only be 50 but its a start.
  
  
  
  diableria
  Mmmmm Wii fail? how cute when the competition is a 600$ "interactive" movie player and the heat failing 360 that despite its hardware issues is a simi decent console.
  
  I'll take the WII and Metroid prime 3 over a dead 360 GoW and Haklo 3.

  15.6.2007 15:16 #48

• Adam_16

  Originally posted by ChromeMud: I think I'm one of the lucky few million that are happy with the 360.
  I tried to kill mine from new with a 24 hour burn in with the fans going full bore with a few games but it wouldn't die.
  I decided then that mine was a good 'un and have played it since launch,streamed music/videos from the PC and watched DVD's on it
  too.My friends have 360's too and they havn't had problems either.That is excactly the same as me i also have a good xbox, had it since launch, play on it all the time, stream music, vids through it etc, LOOK AFTER IT unlike all u noobs tht dnt giv a dam and mine is workin perfectly fine no problems what so ever, and also my freinds tht have an xbox all are workin correctly.

  17.7.2007 09:54 #49

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Originally posted by ChromeMud: I think I'm one of the lucky few million that are happy with the 360.
  I tried to kill mine from new with a 24 hour burn in with the fans going full bore with a few games but it wouldn't die.
  I decided then that mine was a good 'un and have played it since launch,streamed music/videos from the PC and watched DVD's on it
  too.My friends have 360's too and they havn't had problems either.That is excactly the same as me i also have a good xbox, had it since launch, play on it all the time, stream music, vids through it etc, LOOK AFTER IT unlike all u noobs tht dnt giv a dam and mine is workin perfectly fine no problems what so ever, and also my freinds tht have an xbox all are workin correctly....ya....and thos that did take care of theirs but had to have 2 or more replaced...ya..MS is great...its like with the DREs some had them some did not, don't be a noob and say its not faulty design than in the end damaged them.

  17.7.2007 11:51 #50

• ChromeMud

  @ ZIppyDSM
  All I'll say is that some people do cause their 360's to overheat from ill-placement but there are definitely dodgy 360's out there
  that will overheat no matter what you do due to poor build quality.
  I presume most of these to be launch consoles but now everyone's got
  3 years warranty people can sleep a little easier at night.

  18.7.2007 07:44 #51

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by ChromeMud: @ ZIppyDSM
  All I'll say is that some people do cause their 360's to overheat from ill-placement but there are definitely dodgy 360's out there
  that will overheat no matter what you do due to poor build quality.
  I presume most of these to be launch consoles but now everyone's got
  3 years warranty people can sleep a little easier at night.How many millions world wide the first 10 months?
  now take thos and repair them for 2 years while adding millions more and you have today,its a mess.
  
  And the worst console design yet,or has another one had a fail rate of above 10%?
  
  
  

  
  
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  18.7.2007 08:05 #52

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by ChromeMud: @ ZIppyDSM
  All I'll say is that some people do cause their 360's to overheat from ill-placement but there are definitely dodgy 360's out there
  that will overheat no matter what you do due to poor build quality.
  I presume most of these to be launch consoles but now everyone's got
  3 years warranty people can sleep a little easier at night.How many millions world wide the first 10 months?
  now take thos and repair them for 2 years while adding millions more and you have today,its a mess.
  
  And the worst console design yet,or has another one had a fail rate of above 10%?
  
  
  

  
  
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  18.7.2007 08:08 #53

• ChromeMud

  Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
  How many millions world wide the first 10 months?
  now take thos and repair them for 2 years while adding millions more and you have today,its a mess.
  
  And the worst console design yet,or has another one had a fail rate of above 10%?Microsoft are spending a billion for their mistake.What else can they do?Atleast they are doing something about it now.If this still upsets people then that's fine,jump ship but for me I'd rather Jump in...

  18.7.2007 08:44 #54

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by ChromeMud: Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
  How many millions world wide the first 10 months?
  now take thos and repair them for 2 years while adding millions more and you have today,its a mess.
  
  And the worst console design yet,or has another one had a fail rate of above 10%?Microsoft are spending a billion for their mistake.What else can they do?Atleast they are doing something about it now.If this still upsets people then that's fine,jump ship but for me I'd rather Jump in...MS has started to go out of their way on this,and thats why I like them a bit more than sony who's tryign so hard to udnerstand the consumer and adjust the PS3 to fit what they want it to be and still sale...sony is giving me a headache,MS is improving,the best thing thye could do is offer new 65chiped 360s to past users but I think they can only afford to cycle the older units out over time.
  
  I still like nintendo more.
  

  
  
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  18.7.2007 09:03 #55

• eric2728

  Quote:Originally posted by ChromeMud: Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
  How many millions world wide the first 10 months?
  now take thos and repair them for 2 years while adding millions more and you have today,its a mess.
  
  And the worst console design yet,or has another one had a fail rate of above 10%?Microsoft are spending a billion for their mistake.What else can they do?Atleast they are doing something about it now.If this still upsets people then that's fine,jump ship but for me I'd rather Jump in...MS has started to go out of their way on this,and thats why I like them a bit more than sony who's tryign so hard to udnerstand the consumer and adjust the PS3 to fit what they want it to be and still sale...sony is giving me a headache,MS is improving,the best thing thye could do is offer new 65chiped 360s to past users but I think they can only afford to cycle the older units out over time.
  
  I still like nintendo more.does it matter for Bill gates he has 40 billion bucks i calculated that if you put a billion in the bank just the interst would be enough

  18.7.2007 11:44 #56

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Quote:Originally posted by ChromeMud: Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
  How many millions world wide the first 10 months?
  now take thos and repair them for 2 years while adding millions more and you have today,its a mess.
  
  And the worst console design yet,or has another one had a fail rate of above 10%?Microsoft are spending a billion for their mistake.What else can they do?Atleast they are doing something about it now.If this still upsets people then that's fine,jump ship but for me I'd rather Jump in...like sony loseign 2 or 3 billion or tiwce as much on the PS3 they made 10 billion alone from spider man 3 so the losses for sony are merely part of organizing the brand.
  MS has started to go out of their way on this,and thats why I like them a bit more than sony who's tryign so hard to udnerstand the consumer and adjust the PS3 to fit what they want it to be and still sale...sony is giving me a headache,MS is improving,the best thing thye could do is offer new 65chiped 360s to past users but I think they can only afford to cycle the older units out over time.
  
  I still like nintendo more.does it matter for Bill gates he has 40 billion bucks i calculated that if you put a billion in the bank just the interst would be enough

  18.7.2007 11:53 #57

• Riotard

  For Soem reason people have this amzing amoutn of tiem to slate the 360 for overheating, fair enough if u;ve actually got a 360 and its screwed up! YET a 360 or a ps£ YOUR CHOISE! GUESS WHICH one most ppl would pick a 360! its got the games, it sidiots going stupid things liek not cleanign their 360's and not dusting where they keep it. I am a proud launch consol holder, no crashes, and its done 24hours with Gears Of War and music streaming! Its all fine! People don't worry tehre is 3 years for 360 anyway, and the games are great!

  18.7.2007 14:20 #58

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by Riotard: For Soem reason people have this amzing amoutn of tiem to slate the 360 for overheating, fair enough if u;ve actually got a 360 and its screwed up! YET a 360 or a ps£ YOUR CHOISE! GUESS WHICH one most ppl would pick a 360! its got the games, it sidiots going stupid things liek not cleanign their 360's and not dusting where they keep it. I am a proud launch consol holder, no crashes, and its done 24hours with Gears Of War and music streaming! Its all fine! People don't worry tehre is 3 years for 360 anyway, and the games are great!pretty much despite the problems most people are happy with the 360,I am not a fan of it or the Xbox but frankly they have made their mark and they both are worth while systems, the PS3 is being slogged down by its price and sonys unwillingness to do something reasonable about it.

  18.7.2007 14:28 #59

• Zippy84

  I hate to flame people but this needs it...
  Originally posted by Wylee: ps3 has linux???? in what way?
  Originally posted by Wylee: just a comment..if m$ can make a console then so shud linux :p imagine that
  Originally posted by Wylee: i wonder tho, why dont they jus mod the consoles (without having anything to do with piracy) and sell them for more...i modded my xbox, and all the vids i have and music and stuff on my pc i can stream to my xbox, or lyke i can use internet on my xbox, or copy game discs to hdd so instead worry about scratching a cd i know i have the files to back it up, tell me if im wrong but isnt that smart? to mod the console and sell it for more?
  Dude, what the hell do any of these have to do with a $199 price point for the xbox 360???? And you must be high to think they would actually release console already modded. The 360 can already stream music and video (albeit limited formats). Why would they sell a console that could rip games to itself. THEY WOULDNT SELL ANY GAMES! Think before you post.... dumbass
  

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  18.7.2007 14:55 #60

• ZippyDSM

  Zippy84
  Get your sig down to 4 lines before a mod nukes you, and now I respond to all the silly quotes
  --------------
  Q:ps3 has linux
  A:yes dear and not only 1 linux either
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Operating_System
  http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8118.cfm
  Why linux? its not fat'n'sexy like XP in fact tis sleek and stable and fast and not made by MS,if it was every other hacker on the planet would be screwing it over(because its a MS OS).
  ---------------
  Q:just a comment..if m$ can make a console then so shud linux :p imagine that
  A:linux is a open source OS its not a "company" at least not in the normal sense.
  -------------------
  Q:i wonder tho, why dont they jus mod the consoles (without having anything to do with piracy) con;
  A:well sony want to move to streaming gaming for the PS4 or 5,but the main reason company's prevent copying is because to many people would copy them and not buy them.
  ------------
  Q:Dude, what the hell do any of these have to do with a $199 price point for the xbox 360???? con;
  A:calmness friend, releasing anger on noobs will gain you anger from mods,and their fire is much much more...uumm.....firey?
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  18.7.2007 15:12 #61

• maryjayne

  If the price were to hit $199, then I would buy one.

  19.7.2007 06:03 #62

• liveye

  WoW~
  I'd buy one if the price dropped that low!
  

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  http://www.supplier-market.com

  19.7.2007 23:53 #63

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by liveye: WoW~
  I'd buy one if the price dropped that low!with the fail rate still alive and kicking even at 200 I would not....
  

  
  
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  20.7.2007 07:04 #64

• ChromeMud

  I remember the PS2 wasn't all that reliable but it didn't stop it being a success.Software made it what it is,not the hardware.I had friends who bought more than one PS2 because of read errors/laser problems.They grumbled about it,internet forums talked about it but it was just a mere storm in a teacup.
  The PS2 became very cheap to buy,it's games library became absolutely
  huge and over saturated which drove game prices to new lows which benefited the consumer even more.So why can't the 360 follow this route?A cheaper price,3 year warranty,growing developer support with good games.What's stopping it from taking at least a third of the market?It doesn't have to take near the whole market like Sony did with the PS2.A cheaper price for the 360 will make a difference to the masses,just not to you ZippyDSM.

  22.7.2007 04:24 #65

• Adam_16

  Originally posted by ChromeMud: I remember the PS2 wasn't all that reliable but it didn't stop it being a success.Software made it what it is,not the hardware.I had friends who bought more than one PS2 because of read errors/laser problems.They grumbled about it,internet forums talked about it but it was just a mere storm in a teacup.
  The PS2 became very cheap to buy,it's games library became absolutely
  huge and over saturated which drove game prices to new lows which benefited the consumer even more.So why can't the 360 follow this route?A cheaper price,3 year warranty,growing developer support with good games.What's stopping it from taking at least a third of the market?It doesn't have to take near the whole market like Sony did with the PS2.A cheaper price for the 360 will make a difference to the masses,just not to you ZippyDSM.That is a good point but MS wouldnt do that because they are already loosing money on the console that is why the games started at £50 theyve gone down a bit now but they still wont make them cheaper, i heard that Sony are losing money on the PS3 so at the end of the day we should be grateful that the console isnt £500-£600.

  22.7.2007 11:25 #66