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HD DVD player drops to under $200 USD at Wal-Mart

The world's largest retailer, Wal-Mart, has begun selling Toshiba's second gen HD-A2 HD DVD player for $198 USD, setting a new low for stand-alone HD players.

The price cut has been talked about for weeks but it wasnt until the middle of the week that the new low price hit Wal-Mart locations around the US.



Wal-Mart spokesperson Melissa O'Brien confirmed the price cut and also added that "there are no limited quantities for stores or purchases."

The player was originally released earlier this year with a $500 USD price tag but it has been slowly lowering in price with Amazon selling it for $230 on a regular basis.

Its good to see the prices falling for HD players, and hope to see the trend continue at such a rapid pace.

Source:
HD Digest

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 27 Oct 2007 14:03

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• pryme_H

  You gotta love Wal-Mart!

  27.10.2007 15:22 #1

• sk8flawzz

  whew good job walmart...
  if anyone knows..whats better this hd dvd player or the 360 add-on?
  do both do upconversion, ive looked in forums but no one's given me a straight answer

  27.10.2007 15:31 #2

• vinny13

  Of course they're gonna lower the price. How else are they gonna get rid of 'em lol

  27.10.2007 16:41 #3

• hughjars

  .....and of course 1/2 of this price (Black Friday promotion?) is $99.
  
  We'll see.
  
  Looks like Walmart have got (or are getting) all the HD A2 stock from now to X-mas.
  
  I'd expect the Vanturer player to be $149 by X-mas & then the coming CH-DVD makers to be bringing in $100 players by Easter
  
  (the CH-DVD is identical to the HD DVD except for a logo on the outer case & a firmware, as they begin to produce in the multi-millions then component prices will tumble & they will bring their new even less expensive brands to our markets).
  
  'Mass-market' lift-off for HD DVD is about to happen, as people go to replace their existing DVD players they'll be paying the same sort of money for a new one that also happens to be an excellent up-scaling player & a great HD DVD player.
  
  With (by far) the majority of HD TVs being 720p/1080i these inexpensive players will suit most very very nicely.
  
  XBox 360 HD DVD add-on or Toshiba HD A2?
  
  Horses for courses matey.
  
  I like my add-on as a PC ROM drive but I know the A2 is quieter (and you don't have a potentially noisy XBox 360 'base unit' in the mix either).
  
  The HD A2 is a great all-rounder, a fine DVD player, a nice upscaler & it produces an excellent HD DVD image.
  Sound output is optical 1.5mb DD+ or DTS (which is very hi-fi and perfectly suited to most of the market and what people actually have in their homes).
  
  The spec-sheet jockeys might slam it but, frankly, who cares?
  The mutterings of what is largely a bunch of adolescent kiddies trying to impress each other about what they're gonna get or maybe could get if the went to the nth degree of what is possible with any particular unit is hardly much of a basis for evaluating this stuff IMO.

  27.10.2007 16:53 #4

• themind

  Your so funny vinny.

  27.10.2007 17:01 #5

• nynja

  Max output 1080i. I love how getting specs on HD-DVD players are like trying to pull a semi with dental floss.
  
  If you have an HDTV with 1080p support, I would recommend you either pick up an HD-DVD player with 1080p support (if you can find one) for the extra cash or get the cheaper PS3 version that will run at $399 - which is probably one of the best Blu Ray players on the market. People complain about the Blue Tooth remote, but you realize how much better it is to not worry about pointing the remote at your unit and being able to control your player from just about anywhere in the house.
  
  FYI - ALL Blu Ray players support 1080p. Have to say that I use a PS3 for my HD movies and it upscales DVD to full 1080p via HDMI, has many video play back options (this is a Sony product), media center options (video & music streaming) and regular firmware updates which are VERY easy to perform once connected to the Internet. I use my PS3 to listen to music ALL the time. It has some of the best HD sound available on the market. Oh, and PS3 supports your rewritable DVDs, unlike this player. Are you really saving money if you have to repurchase all those discs?
  
  Having an HDTV with 1080p support and getting a media player to only output to 1080i is like having a Ferrari or Lamborghini but never being allowed to drive it on an autobahn.
  
  Just my 2 cents.

  27.10.2007 17:07 #6

• edsrouter

  F&*k Wal-Mart. I'll go on E-bay or wait.
  
  Look here. I can't believe anyone still shops at Wal-Mart.

  27.10.2007 17:19 #7

• m3_chris

  Originally posted by edsrouter: F&*k Wal-Mart. I'll go on E-bay or wait.
  
  Look here. I can't believe anyone still shops at Wal-Mart.$189 is a great price.
  Last black Friday there were over 500 people waiting in line at wal-mart. Wal Mart kicks ass. Those who don't like how they are treated as an employee of wal-mart should quit complaining and find another job.

  27.10.2007 17:52 #8

• ZoSoIV

  great price i may get one!!
  

  
  

  27.10.2007 18:46 #9

• venomX05

  i was just over there about 2 days ago and i gotta admit, they have some stellar prices, like the divx/dvd burn player, was like $100...wasn't bad at all...lol, reminds me of the south park eps: something walmart this way comes

  27.10.2007 18:48 #10

• edsrouter

  Quote:Originally posted by edsrouter: F&*k Wal-Mart. I'll go on E-bay or wait.
  
  Look here. I can't believe anyone still shops at Wal-Mart.$189 is a great price.
  Last black Friday there were over 500 people waiting in line at wal-mart. Wal Mart kicks ass. Those who don't like how they are treated as an employee of wal-mart should quit complaining and find another job.Oh, trust me I would agree if this was a fast food chain, but this is practically a $100 billion family. That, in addition, imports $18 billion/year from China and with that destroyed Sam Walton's legacy of buying 'Made in America' only. You put your $198 into the machine, it doesn't come back out, and your state and local governments are giving them back tax breaks out the wazoo.
  
  Some people like to slam Bill Gates, but he has given 58% of his wealth to charity and the Walton family is less than 1%.
  
  A company that grosses $300 billion/yr and makes $1 million in bank interest every 10 seconds and can't spend $10 billion on decent healthcare or even a living wage does not deserve my business.
  
  HELEN WALTON: $18.0 BILLION
  ALICE WALTON: 18.0 BILLION
  JOHN WALTON: 18.2 BILLION
  ROB WALTON: $18.3 BILLION
  JIM WALTON: $18.3 BILLION
  
  I really wasn't interested at electronics as a rule from Wal-Mart anyway when i was still feeling neutral about the company. They were horribly sub-prime. Wal-Mart was the only store that was selling that Nexxtech brand DVD player for like $39. I think it lasted for over a year just outside it's warranty.

  27.10.2007 19:08 #11

• hughjars

  Originally posted by nynja: Max output 1080i. I love how getting specs on HD-DVD players are like trying to pull a semi with dental floss. - What a ridiculous load.
  
  The Toshiba HD A2 specs are very easily found and are no secret.
  
  They are a well known quantity - so well known that the Blu-ray spec-sheet jockeys are always trying to pretend this is of huge importance.
  
  All the entry level HD DVD players are 720p/1080i.....
  
  .......just like the over-whelming majority of HD TVs that are out there.
  
  As for your 'all Blu-ray players are 1080p'?
  Well there's 1080p and there's 1080p.
  You must have forgotten all about the Samsung BDP1000 which took a 1080p image from the disc, converted it to a 1080i image and then converted that into a 1080p one.
  
  Originally posted by nynja: If you have an HDTV with 1080p support, I would recommend you either pick up an HD-DVD player with 1080p support (if you can find one) for the extra cash or get the cheaper PS3 version that will run at $399 - which is probably one of the best Blu Ray players on the market. - ....and I'd recommend that instead of listening to this kind of number-obsessed spec-gazing you try it out on your own TV and see how it actually looks.
  
  There are numerous people with 1080p HD TVs who have said they can see absolutely no difference whatsoever between a 1080i image and a 1080p image on the 1080p TVs.
  
  If you have a TV with a native resolution of 1920 x 1080 (which you need to even see 1080p) then it can only display progressively anyways
  (and ironically it's the more expensive 1080p TVs which have the decent deinterlacers built in anyways, it's not such a big deal these days).
  
  If you don't have the required 1920 x 1080 native resolution you aren't going to be getting '1080p' no matter what.
  
  See here for an excellent article on 'there is no difference between 1080i and 1080p'......although personally I'd go for 'there is a miniscule difference, if at all, between.... ' etc etc -
  
  http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/08/14/hom...i-and-1080p-mo/
  
  - and here's another one well worth a read about 'specs and reality' -
  
  http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/J...s._Reality/1096
  
  I suggest people trust their own senses and not what someone tells you when they're (often) clearly just trying to advertise their to you.
  
  Originally posted by nynja: Having an HDTV with 1080p support and getting a media player to only output to 1080i is like having a Ferrari or Lamborghini but never being allowed to drive it on an autobahn. - LMAO
  
  If there is little or no difference how can you make such sweeping & absurd claims?

  27.10.2007 19:36 #12

• modzilla

  Nynja,
  
  You are amazing, this is the 3rd site I have ran across your pro Ps3 posts, and its really getting sickening. Give it a rest.

  27.10.2007 20:23 #13

• svtstang

  Originally posted by nynja: Max output 1080i. I love how getting specs on HD-DVD players are like trying to pull a semi with dental floss.
  
  If you have an HDTV with 1080p support, I would recommend you either pick up an HD-DVD player with 1080p support (if you can find one) for the extra cash or get the cheaper PS3 version that will run at $399 - which is probably one of the best Blu Ray players on the market. People complain about the Blue Tooth remote, but you realize how much better it is to not worry about pointing the remote at your unit and being able to control your player from just about anywhere in the house.
  
  FYI - ALL Blu Ray players support 1080p. Have to say that I use a PS3 for my HD movies and it upscales DVD to full 1080p via HDMI, has many video play back options (this is a Sony product), media center options (video & music streaming) and regular firmware updates which are VERY easy to perform once connected to the Internet. I use my PS3 to listen to music ALL the time. It has some of the best HD sound available on the market. Oh, and PS3 supports your rewritable DVDs, unlike this player. Are you really saving money if you have to repurchase all those discs?
  
  Having an HDTV with 1080p support and getting a media player to only output to 1080i is like having a Ferrari or Lamborghini but never being allowed to drive it on an autobahn.
  
  Just my 2 cents.You do understand that the average consumer would never be able to tell the difference between 1080i and p? Some of you get way too technical, for the average movie watcher (myself included) this is great!

  27.10.2007 20:28 #14

• b18bek9

  SVTSTANG i can tell from 1080i/720p and 1080p has a different color to it i noticed plus everyones TV's are different.....

  27.10.2007 20:50 #15

• svtstang

  Well that is great...the point is that threads like this always turn into fanboy fights arguing formats. This thread is about HD players that Joe Blow can purchase without taking out a loan and enjoy hi def content....not why bluray PwnZ0rS HD-DVD or vice versa. Hell, all I am able to view is 720p, the quality of that is fine for me!
  
  $200 for a player that makes your spanking new tv worth the purchase = worthwhile, 1080p or not.
  

  
  
  

  27.10.2007 20:57 #16

• NexGen76

  Buyer Be aware Toshiba's second gen HD-A2 HD DVD is a discontinue model this is a Fire sale this is over stock Toshiba trying to get rid of this is why it took Wal-mart so long to get this player as everyone know Wal-Mart is cheap as hell.When it come to buying Hi def content you get what you pay for.If your really interested in buying a HD-DVD player Buy a HD-A3 -- is due to hit stores November 1 with a list price of $299 Full HD.

  27.10.2007 21:22 #17

• ZoSoIV

  yeah that would be the better choice
  

  
  

  27.10.2007 22:02 #18

• Jlhfit

  Its dropping price to attract more customers.... Cant keep up with blue ray

  27.10.2007 23:09 #19

• vinny13

  Quote:Originally posted by hughjars:
  Originally posted by nynja: Having an HDTV with 1080p support and getting a media player to only output to 1080i is like having a Ferrari or Lamborghini but never being allowed to drive it on an autobahn. - LMAO
  
  If there is little or no difference how can you make such sweeping & absurd claims?- WTF
  
  If there is almost no difference, then why is it there? I have a 1080i HDTV, and I see a big difference.

  27.10.2007 23:59 #20

• ZoSoIV

  Originally posted by Jlhfit: Its dropping price to attract more customers.... Cant keep up with blue rayat the moment HD-DVD is winning the format war!
  

  
  

  27.10.2007 23:59 #21

• Spenman91

  Quote:at the moment HD-DVD is winning the format war!Really, I thought Blu-Ray was winning.
  
  Oh well, I would rather HD-DVD win. Especially with their prices on everything being lower.

  28.10.2007 00:27 #22

• hughjars

  Originally posted by NexGen76: Buyer Be aware Toshiba's second gen HD-A2 HD DVD is a discontinue model this is a Fire sale this is over stock Toshiba trying to get rid of this is why it took Wal-mart so long to get this player as everyone know Wal-Mart is cheap as hell. - LMAO
  
  Is that the best you can manage?
  
  The HD A2 is a superb player and a total bargain at this price.
  
  It's also fully warrantied with an excellent reputation from it's current owners (as can be seen on the avsforums & avforums).
  
  Yeah folks, no-one ever bother go getting a brand new, boxed, bargain end-of-line model of anything, just "beware".
  FFS.
  Typical laughable nonsense from the Blu-ray fanclub.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: When it come to buying Hi def content you get what you pay for. - OK then so what aren't people getting?
  (You might want to recheck your facts cos you're already obviously wrong about the output resolution)
  
  What big differences are there between the HD A2 & the HD A3?
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: If your really interested in buying a HD-DVD player Buy a HD-A3 -- is due to hit stores November 1 with a list price of $299 Full HD. - "Full HD"?!
  
  Jeeez here we go, more of that ridiculous 1080p BS?!
  
  Don't you realise that the over-whelming majority of HD TVs out there (by far) are 720p/1080i?
  Don't you realise that trying to push 1080p on those owners is simply ripping them off?
  
  Besides you're completely wrong.
  
  The HD A3 is a 720p/1080i player.......and you can bet your house that just like the HD A2 the RRP will be a lot higher than the street price.
  
  As soon as the HD A2s are gone the HD A3 will be down to around the $200 level too.

  28.10.2007 07:57 #23

• club42

  Their are countless sources that will confirm with a good de-interlacer in the tv you will be hard pressed to see the difference in an i or p video signal. Quote:It's Deinterlacing, Not Scaling
  HD DVD and Blu-ray content is 1080p/24. If your player outputs a 60-Hz signal (that is, one that your TV can display), the player is adding (creating) the 3:2 sequence. So, whether you output 1080i or 1080p, it is still inherently the same information. The only difference is in whether the player interlaces it and your TV deinterlaces it, or if the player just sends out the 1080p signal directly. If the TV correctly deinterlaces 1080i, then there should be no visible difference between deinterlaced 1080i and direct 1080p (even with that extra step). There is no new information—nor is there more resolution, as some people think. This is because, as you can see in Figure 1, there is no new information with the progressive signal. It's all based on the same original 24 frames per second.
  
  In the case of Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-ray player, the player interlaces the image and then deinterlaces it to create 1080p. So, you get that step regardless. So don't count this player out for that spec alone.

  28.10.2007 12:15 #24

• nynja

  Quote:Originally posted by nynja: Max output 1080i. I love how getting specs on HD-DVD players are like trying to pull a semi with dental floss.
  
  If you have an HDTV with 1080p support, I would recommend you either pick up an HD-DVD player with 1080p support (if you can find one) for the extra cash or get the cheaper PS3 version that will run at $399 - which is probably one of the best Blu Ray players on the market. People complain about the Blue Tooth remote, but you realize how much better it is to not worry about pointing the remote at your unit and being able to control your player from just about anywhere in the house.
  
  FYI - ALL Blu Ray players support 1080p. Have to say that I use a PS3 for my HD movies and it upscales DVD to full 1080p via HDMI, has many video play back options (this is a Sony product), media center options (video & music streaming) and regular firmware updates which are VERY easy to perform once connected to the Internet. I use my PS3 to listen to music ALL the time. It has some of the best HD sound available on the market. Oh, and PS3 supports your rewritable DVDs, unlike this player. Are you really saving money if you have to repurchase all those discs?
  
  Having an HDTV with 1080p support and getting a media player to only output to 1080i is like having a Ferrari or Lamborghini but never being allowed to drive it on an autobahn.
  
  Just my 2 cents.You do understand that the average consumer would never be able to tell the difference between 1080i and p? Some of you get way too technical, for the average movie watcher (myself included) this is great!FYI - You like to waste money? I own an HDTV with 1080p support. Why in the hell am I going to buy an HD system that can't output to the max resolution of my TV? That's just stupid. I might as well trade in my TV for a cheaper model and downgrade my picture quality, right?
  
  I am informing those who ALREADY OWN their HDTVs that support 1080p. You spent all that money on it, then you're going to invest in a player that won't even get the full use out of it? Seems kinda lame to me.
  
  I had an HDTV with 1080i max support. I got tired of the blured image when watching videos that had fast motion - HDTVs are purchased for the sharp resolution, this just voids that. When your screen is larger than 34 inches, it becomes more and more visible. I can see the difference, just because the average consumer cannot tell the difference does not mean they should not be told the difference.
  
  Everyone who owns an HDTV with 1080p support wants that full support from their player, they should know before they buy. For those who can only output to a max of 720p/1080i then the only difference from BluRay and HD-DVD is the audio and movie selection. Most movies I prefer are found on BluRay, some on HD-DVD but not the ones I can't live without.
  
  As for finding detailed specs on HD-DVD players, it took me over 3 minutes to find on the Internet - while BluRay only took 1 search attempt.
  
  If you can't see the point of my post, then go buy your $199 under powered HD player that cannot output to your $2000 TV's full potentual.

  28.10.2007 14:20 #25

• hughjars

  If you want to pretend there's a huge difference (nevermind any actual real difference) between 1080p and 1080i on most people's 1080p TVs then go ahead.
  
  But the truth is that for many it makes not the slightest bit of difference and many find 1080p to be simply yet more marketing gibberish.
  
  Still, if it's worthwhile 'bling' to you then work away, pay double the price for something you claim to genuinely 'see', it's a free country
  
  (cos you have done back to back tests, right?
  Sure you have.)
  
  .....and of course the fact that this is only the entry-level HD DVD player which can turn in such an excellent performance seems to have escaped you too.
  
  For most people's TVs not only is this level of output all they need (cos they only have 720p/1080i HD TVs) but even for people with 1080p TVs it is well known as an excellent performing high def DVD player.
  
  (and if you honestly want to claim it took you 3 minutes to find the HD A2s specs when they are there plain as day at the top of the Toshiba web site page for it, they are on the 1st page of the Amazon page for it, they are on the one and only PC World page on it and on the first page of the Home Theatre blog then something is very wrong.
  
  Where did you look?)

  28.10.2007 14:34 #26

• nynja

  Originally posted by hughjars: If you want to pretend there's a huge difference (nevermind any actual real difference) between 1080p and 1080i on most people's 1080p TVs then go ahead.
  
  But the truth is that for many it makes not the slightest bit of difference and many find 1080p to be simply yet more marketing gibberish.
  
  Still, if it's worthwhile 'bling' to you then work away, pay double the price for something you claim to genuinely 'see', it's a free country
  
  (cos you have done back to back tests, right?
  Sure you have.)Yup - as I said before, got tired of the blurred picture. Also:
  
  If you can't see the point of my post, then go buy your $199 under powered HD player that cannot output to your $2000 TV's full potentual.

  28.10.2007 14:41 #27

• hughjars

  Sure.
  
  That's about as credible as your claim it took you 3 minutes to find the specs that showed that the HD A2 is 1080i.

  28.10.2007 14:44 #28

• nynja

  Originally posted by hughjars: Sure.
  
  That's about as credible as your claim it took you 3 minutes to find the specs that showed that the HD A2 is 1080i.Yup. 3 minutes give or take a few seconds, while I found the BluRay specs on my first search attempt. Reason for this? HD-DVD is not going to advertise on the front page that it's max resolution support is in-superior to it's competitors.
  
  Marketing, my man (or woman).

  28.10.2007 14:56 #29

• hughjars

  Originally posted by nynja: Yup. 3 minutes give or take a few seconds, while I found the BluRay specs on my first search attempt. Reason for this? HD-DVD is not going to advertise on the front page that it's max resolution support is in-superior to it's competitors. - Why are you even bothering to try and spin this tale?
  
  I already pointed out that a quick Google shows (all on the 1st page) that they are there plain as day at
  
  - (1) the top of the Toshiba web site page for it (surely the first place to look?),
  
  - (2) they are on the 1st page of the Amazon sales page for it (only the world's largest on-line retailer, another obvious place to look),
  
  - (3) they are on the one and only PC World page on it (one of the more obvious specialist websites) and
  
  - (4) on the first page of the Home Theatre blog (another obvious specialist website)
  
  - If someone is trying to hide them then they sure as hell are making a laughable job of it.......but then a moments though shows it is really your initial claim about this that is the joke.
  
  Either you are staggeringly inept at finding the most easily found info and are quick to claim conspiracy or you are telling tall tales.
  I suspect the latter.
  
  Originally posted by nynja: Marketing, my man (or woman).
  
  - Man.
  
  I suspect you maybe are but you're not doing it too well.
  
  The rush to appeal to high price ticket 'snob-value' was way to blunt and unsubtle for a start.

  28.10.2007 15:05 #30

• 24Lover

  Originally posted by hughjars: If you want to pretend there's a huge difference (nevermind any actual real difference) between 1080p and 1080i on most people's 1080p TVs then go ahead.
  
  But the truth is that for many it makes not the slightest bit of difference and many find 1080p to be simply yet more marketing gibberish.
  
  Still, if it's worthwhile 'bling' to you then work away, pay double the price for something you claim to genuinely 'see', it's a free country
  
  (cos you have done back to back tests, right?
  Sure you have.)
  
  .....and of course the fact that this is only the entry-level HD DVD player which can turn in such an excellent performance seems to have escaped you too.
  
  For most people's TVs not only is this level of output all they need (cos they only have 720p/1080i HD TVs) but even for people with 1080p TVs it is well known as an excellent performing high def DVD player.
  
  (and if you honestly want to claim it took you 3 minutes to find the HD A2s specs when they are there plain as day at the top of the Toshiba web site page for it, they are on the 1st page of the Amazon page for it, they are on the one and only PC World page on it and on the first page of the Home Theatre blog then something is very wrong.
  
  Where did you look?)Great post, Most LCD are coming standard 1080p now so i wouldn't waste my money to downgrade on this cheap player.Also the upscaling isn't one of the best on this model hd-dvd player its the HD-A3 that has the best upscaling.

  28.10.2007 15:47 #31

• hughjars

  Originally posted by vinny13: If there is almost no difference, then why is it there? - Can you say 'marketing' and 'invented premium features'?
  
  What do you mean "why is it there"?
  
  Do you think every 'feature' advertised to you is genuine and real or something?!
  
  Originally posted by vinny13: I have a 1080i HDTV, and I see a big difference. - .....and this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
  
  You have a 1080i TV and yet you reckon you see "a big difference" when you feed it 1080p.
  
  Those advertising guys just laugh, lick their lips and hope there are so many more like you out there waiting to be parted from your cash so easily.

  28.10.2007 18:51 #32

• vinny13

  Originally posted by Hughjars:
  
  - Can you say 'marketing' and 'invented premium features'?
  
  What do you mean "why is it there"?
  
  Do you think every 'feature' advertised to you is genuine and real or something?!
  
  "
  - .....and this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
  
  You have a 1080i TV and yet you reckon you see "a big difference" when you feed it 1080p.
  
  Those advertising guys just laugh, lick their lips and hope there are so many more like you out there waiting to be parted from your cash so easily.How he hell do you feed a 1080i TV with 1080p?
  
  I'm talkin' about when comparing my 1080i TV to a 1080p TV, I see a big difference.
  
  Now you're just putting words in people's mouths... again.
  

  
  
  There is no present. We all live in the past and are catching up to our future.

  28.10.2007 18:55 #33

• NexGen76

  Quote:Originally posted by vinny13: If there is almost no difference, then why is it there? - Can you say 'marketing' and 'invented premium features'?
  
  What do you mean "why is it there"?
  
  Do you think every 'feature' advertised to you is genuine and real or something?!
  
  Originally posted by vinny13: I have a 1080i HDTV, and I see a big difference.
  
  - .....and this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
  
  You have a 1080i TV and yet you reckon you see "a big difference" when you feed it 1080p.
  
  Those advertising guys just laugh, lick their lips and hope there are so many more like you out there waiting to be parted from your cash so easily.
  Trust me there is a difference between 1080i & 1080p.1080p has better clarity & brightness.1080p your whites are really whites & Blacks also 1080i the Black & White levels are below 1080p.Visit any AV retailer & do a side by side comparison.Why do you think all 3rd gen & beyond HD-DVD players now have 1080p support ?

  28.10.2007 19:43 #34

• hughjars

  Originally posted by vinny13: How he hell do you feed a 1080i TV with 1080p? - It's not hard, just leave the output going to the TV @ 1080p and force the TV to make the adjustments itself.
  
  Originally posted by vinny13: I'm talkin' about when comparing my 1080i TV to a 1080p TV, I see a big difference. - I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that maybe the difference is with the TVs themselves and not the resolution(s)?
  
  .....or were both TVs properly or perfectly calibrated to make comparison valid.
  Yeah, sure.
  
  But besides, the issue here is not the difference between a 720p/1080i and a 1080p HD TV (tho it's worth noting that right now many in the trade are saying the 720p/1080i plasma is the best out of all of them ).
  
  We were discussing how most 1080p HD TVs handle a 1080i image (cos in an attempt to slam this - good - HD DVD news some of the PS3/Blu-ray fanclub here felt that they had to express an opinion that because of that little 'i' it had to be cr@p compared to a player outputting 'p'.
  
  ......and as umteen reviews show it simply isn't that simple or necessarily true..
  
  Originally posted by vinny13: Now you're just putting words in people's mouths... again. - No, you're just quibbling, being ambiguous & trolling for a response, again.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: Trust me - LMAO.
  You think you're the only one who has had a 1080i TV and now has a 1080p TV or something?!
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: there is a difference between 1080i & 1080p.1080p has better clarity & brightness. - Nextgen if you don't know what you're talking about it's best not to get into this kind of stuff.
  
  There is a newer standard of colour (deep colour) but that is nothing to do with screen resolution.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: 1080p your whites are really whites & Blacks also - Actually contrast between whites, greys and deep blacks are something most LCD TVs are still pretty rubbish at.
  
  That's why they brought out this utterly bogus 'dynamic contrast' BS so that the spec-sheet jockey idiots could talk themselves into believing what the marketing & advertising depts wanted them to 'think'.
  
  Read this (from Oct 2007) to see the lies & the truth about contrast ratios -
  
  Sony Bravia KDL-40D3000 - claimed contrast ratio 1600:1; 'dynamic contrast ratio 8000:1 actual independently tested & measured contrast ratio 569:1
  
  Samsung LE-40M86BD - claimed contrast ratio *no 'regular figure given*; dynamic contrast ratio 15000:1 actual independently tested & measured contrast ratio 1660:1
  
  Toshiba 42X3030D - claimed contrast ratio 6000:1; dynamic contrast ratio 10000:1 actual independently tested & measured contrast ratio 634:1
  
  http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/LCD-TVs-42-inches,review-29705.html
  
  - If only people were a little better informed & a tad less gullible.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: 1080i the Black & White levels are below 1080p. - No that's simply utter rubbish.
  A screen or panel's contrast levels have absolutely nothing to do with the screen resolution.
  Wake up.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: Visit any AV retailer & do a side by side comparison. - Yeah right.
  Visit any TV sales guy and watch him try and sell you the TV with the higher margin, wow, what an amazing concept.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: Why do you think all 3rd gen & beyond HD-DVD players now have 1080p support ? - Why is it that you can always be relied upon to get stuff completely wrong.
  
  The gen 3 Toshiba HD A3 is a 720p/1080i player; see the (easily found) specs here -
  http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A3-720p...r/dp/B000U62N1S

  28.10.2007 20:23 #35

• svtstang

  Lol hughjars, when I am in the market for anything hi def I am for sure going to get some recommendations from you!
  

  
  
  

  28.10.2007 20:25 #36

• hughjars

  Originally posted by svtstang: Lol hughjars, when I am in the market for anything hi def I am for sure going to get some recommendations from you! - Yeah well the whole thing revolves around trying to read up on as much as you can (especially from the actual owners on things like the avsforums and avforums).
  You can spot the fanboys a mile away when you're dealing with serious people cos the serious people want to know the whole story, not take a side to support like a damned football team.
  
  But wading through the twisting, spinning advertising BS is a tough job.

  28.10.2007 20:33 #37

• NexGen76

  Originally posted by hughjars: Sony Bravia KDL-40D3000 - claimed contrast ratio 1600:1; 'dynamic contrast ratio 8000:1 actual measured contrast ratio 569:1
  
  Samsung LE-40M86BD - claimed contrast ratio *no 'regular figure given*; dynamic contrast ratio 15000:1 actual measured contrast ratio 1660:1
  
  Toshiba 42X3030D - claimed contrast ratio 6000:1; dynamic contrast ratio 10000:1 actual measured contrast ratio 634:1LOL... you proved my point you don't know what the hell your talking about on every LCD set you can't measure the contrast ratio because each retailer has different terms & standards for contrast ratio.You can't compare any LCD set by contrast or Dynamic ratio rookie.Seems to me your less informed.
  
  Originally posted by svtstang: Lol hughjars, when I am in the market for anything hi def I am for sure going to get some recommendations from you!coming from someone that don't even own a 1080p or 1080i set & use a 360 add-on hooked up to a PC i find laughable.
  
  Originally posted by hughjars: Yeah well the whole thing revolves around trying to read up on as much as you can (especially from the actual owners on things like the avsforums and avforums).Your trying to correct someone by doing research on the net give me a break.I own this stuff & get out & do research i don't depend on the net for info.

  28.10.2007 20:59 #38

• hughjars

  BTW if you can hold out & you are an American with a Sears near you the Toshiba HD A3 is going even lower for Black Friday
  
  $169.99
  
  See Black Fridat ad (scroll down to Home Theatre & Toshiba HD DVD player -
  
  http://www.blackfriday.info/ads/sears-black-friday-ad.html
  
  - In the light of this I'd say it looks like $149 for X-mas (at least with the (gen 3 based) Chinese Venturer is a certainty.

  28.10.2007 21:01 #39

• hughjars

  Originally posted by NexGen76: LOL... you proved my point you don't know what the hell your talking about on every LCD set you can't measure the contrast ratio because each retailer has different terms & standards for contrast ratio. - You must have missed the bit where they measured each set with the same kit.
  You are simply completely wrong to imagine that a TV set's contrast cannot be properly measured independently with proper testing gear by professional reviewing staff (don't be so absurd).
  
  You fail. Badly.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: coming from someone that don't even own a 1080p or 1080i set & use a 360 add-on hooked up to a PC i find laughable. - You dont know which HD TV I own actually.
  
  Fail again.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: Your trying to correct someone by doing research on the net give me a break. - No, I read umteen articles and talk to owners.
  
  This little attack isn't going too well, eh?
  
  Fail again.
  
  Originally posted by NexGen76: I own this stuff & get out & do research i don't depend on the net for info. - Sure you do, how could I ever have mistaken you on this when your post are so full of accurate and useful comment?
  
  LMAO.

  28.10.2007 21:05 #40

• svtstang

  God I love this thread, pure entertainment!
  

  
  
  

  28.10.2007 21:13 #41

• morguex

  @svtstang and hughjars
  Thank you very much. Keep proving him wrong, I love it.

  29.10.2007 15:53 #42

• svtstang

  Lol morguex, I am a hi def noob, the creature we refer to as fanboy is amazing to me though. Hughjars is doing great though, and despite the battle over nothing I am picking up a thing or two :)
  

  
  
  

  29.10.2007 16:10 #43

• club42

  Nextgen76, not to argue with you but could you describe why a progressive signal would have a better contrast ratio than interlaced. With the same cables I don't see how either would make a difference in color or contrast. As for the I or P as a source thing do what you want anybody. If you can see the difference more power to you. With a 1080p tv you are not going to see a difference in detail if you have a good de-interlacer. Contrast would be new to me as I haven't notice that myself yet (between my or any of my friends sets). People just like to justify the money they spend.

  29.10.2007 22:11 #44

• nynja

  Quote:Originally posted by nynja: Yup. 3 minutes give or take a few seconds, while I found the BluRay specs on my first search attempt. Reason for this? HD-DVD is not going to advertise on the front page that it's max resolution support is in-superior to it's competitors. - Why are you even bothering to try and spin this tale?
  
  I already pointed out that a quick Google shows (all on the 1st page) that they are there plain as day at
  
  - (1) the top of the Toshiba web site page for it (surely the first place to look?),
  
  - (2) they are on the 1st page of the Amazon sales page for it (only the world's largest on-line retailer, another obvious place to look),
  
  - (3) they are on the one and only PC World page on it (one of the more obvious specialist websites) and
  
  - (4) on the first page of the Home Theatre blog (another obvious specialist website)
  
  - If someone is trying to hide them then they sure as hell are making a laughable job of it.......but then a moments though shows it is really your initial claim about this that is the joke.
  
  Either you are staggeringly inept at finding the most easily found info and are quick to claim conspiracy or you are telling tall tales.
  I suspect the latter.
  
  Originally posted by nynja: Marketing, my man (or woman).
  
  - Man.
  
  I suspect you maybe are but you're not doing it too well.
  
  The rush to appeal to high price ticket 'snob-value' was way to blunt and unsubtle for a start.You found the technical specs on Amazon? Really? And where was this? Because I had the hardest time finding it, which was part of the 'wasted' time just trying to find the specs. Then I resorted going to the Toshiba site, where I had to poke around to find the details. Once I found the right page, no it did not take 3 minutes. From the start of my initial search, visiting Amazon, then Toshiba's website - YES. 3 minutes. Relax man, not everyone checks the same place every time. Why are you getting so bent out of shape about how long it took to find this info?
  
  When I go to an online retailer about Blu Ray specs, they are much easier to find that any HD-DVD player I had checked out.
  
  ITS NOT A BIG DEAL. The BIG DEAL is that you don't realize that people who paid for HDTVs supporting 1080p should know whether or not the 'HD' unit they are purchasing will output in the highest resolution their TV supports. Common sense, man.
  
  Fact is, everyone I know who is into HD -WANTS- 1080p support. If you cannot tell the difference between 1080i & 1080p, then you will have no issues with the cheaper model HD-DVD players. I can see the difference when there is fast moving action on the screen - and when a TV is supposed to have sharp, crisp images this only disappoints. DVD up scaling is nice, but not the all-end solution. I intend on upgrading my movie library, but with the Blu Ray format.
  
  If I pay for 1080p support - I want 1080p support.

  31.10.2007 10:49 #45

• borhan9

  It will get even lower you will just have to wait.

  1.11.2007 03:25 #46