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Sony CEO admits stalemate in HD format war

Despite months of Blu-ray camp statements indicating their format was running away with the lead in the next-gen format war, it seems at least one executive has their head on straight.

Sony CEO Howard Stringer, at a lecture yesterday in New York, admitted that the format war was nowhere near over and that it both Blu-ray and HD DVD were in a stalemate.



Also noting what many HD DVD enthusiasts have been calling the "turning point" in the format war, Stringer admitted that Blu-ray was doing very well until August when Paramount decided to support, exclusively, HD DVD.

"It's a difficult fight. We were trying to win on the merits, which we were doing for a while, until Paramount changed sides," the AP quoted Stringer as saying.

Stringer was also reported as saying that he wished he was Sony's CEO a few years ago so that he could use his power to help bring the formats together and forgo the entire format war.

The quotes come after a weekend in which HD DVD sold over 100,000 standalone players after extensive mark downs in price on a couple Toshiba players.

We can only hope that Stringer's sentiments match those of the rest of Sony and the company will move towards marketing the PlayStation 3 as what it is, a gaming console that happens to have a Blu-ray drive built in.

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Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 9 Nov 2007 18:10

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• xhardc0re

  stalemate (noun): 2. any position or situation in which no action can be taken or progress made; deadlock: Talks between union and management resulted in a stalemate.
  yup, no progress can be made because of DRM in Blu-Ray or HD. Once they remove the DRM, consumers can move forward.

  9.11.2007 19:06 #1

• ZippyDSM

  xhardc0re
  if sheeple gave a damn abotu DRM the world would be a better place..no whats stopping any real movement in the format is lack of knowledge about it and price 08 should be good year for HDVD as it enters the sub 200$ mark if BR dose not counter it before 09 they lose.
  
  At this point and time both BR and HDVD are to close in spec to win consuemrs over it, much like HDVD and Beta max it will be all about price and who can bring the the cheapest product to the consumer.

  9.11.2007 19:46 #2

• sk8flawzz

  so when both formats were equal in terms of price and selection..blu-ray had already won..hah
  
  now that hd dvd has lower hardware prices, plus exclusive content from dreamworks and paramount..its a stalemate..
  
  i cant wait to see sales figures and all that for the holiday season

  9.11.2007 20:29 #3

• P51ride

  This guy sounds like he's complaining. If he is he's got a hell of a nerve when the format he is pushing is riddled with DRM (Broken and/or defective by design). Previous posts here state that Sony even wants DRM on private individuals own video. What an arrogant a$$. For this reason as well as the rootkits I hope Sony figuratively goes down in flames as far as the format war goes.
  
  Just my $.04 (Inflation)

  9.11.2007 20:46 #4

• jagstilv

  Quote:progress can be made because of DRM in Blu-Ray or HD. Once they remove the DRM, consumers can move forward. I don't think that average consumer even knows what DRM is. To most people DRM has no effect on there everyday lives. What's important to most consumers is price and selection. Just like DVD has CSS and most people don't know or care, BD and HD-DVD having DRM won't be the major stopping point.

  9.11.2007 20:54 #5

• chaos_zzz

  50 is better than 30 i think ppl will figure that out, what is keeping the war alive is the alliances between studios, Since microsoft is bigger it has more to offer under the table.

  9.11.2007 21:58 #6

• Tecbot

  they sold a bunch of upconverting dvd players that dont even have 1080p whats the big deal...there calling that hd now thats sad...the problem is most people are uneducated and price is a driving factor thats not rocket science...
  
  the price point of $100 players has been played it certainly did move hardware now lets talk about software...how many weeks have hd-dvd had top sales in software...Im not even sure but thats something to consider since thats whats going to win the format not players with enough movies that can be sold for a free player...just my opinion on what happened.
  
  just my .1 cent since candian dollar ownes the american one.

  10.11.2007 00:36 #7

• nptwenty

  Sony are just saying they have stalemate so people think Blu-Ray will be the next format. I have a PS3 but I hope HD DVD win. Sony cant even make a game for thier console, They are selling thier animation studio. UMD Movies failed! And thats just over the last two years. Anyone who buys Blu-Ray dvds will be stuck with em soon. Its Sony's betmax again.

  10.11.2007 02:18 #8

• Andrew691

  Originally posted by nptwenty: Sony are just saying they have stalemate so people think Blu-Ray will be the next format. I have a PS3 but I hope HD DVD win. Sony cant even make a game for thier console, They are selling thier animation studio. UMD Movies failed! And thats just over the last two years. Anyone who buys Blu-Ray dvds will be stuck with em soon. Its Sony's betmax again.
  Have you looked at the lineup of games for PS3 coming in the next few months(both 1st and 3rd party)? UMD failed because it was just another of Sony's proprietary formats, it had no real backing from anyone else, no burners, nothing. Blu-ray has a fair few backers, and I wouldnt say its lost yet if they dont come up with anything soon the $100 HD-DVD players will all but destroy BD. BD will become a PS3 proprietary format, [sony] movies will still most likely be produced for it. Sony wont be releasing their movies on HD-DVD for a loooong time when BD is well and truly dead.

  10.11.2007 04:04 #9

• nptwenty

  Quote:Originally posted by nptwenty: Sony are just saying they have stalemate so people think Blu-Ray will be the next format. I have a PS3 but I hope HD DVD win. Sony cant even make a game for thier console, They are selling thier animation studio. UMD Movies failed! And thats just over the last two years. Anyone who buys Blu-Ray dvds will be stuck with em soon. Its Sony's betmax again.
  Have you looked at the lineup of games for PS3 coming in the next few months(both 1st and 3rd party)? UMD failed because it was just another of Sony's proprietary formats, it had no real backing from anyone else, no burners, nothing. Blu-ray has a fair few backers, and I wouldnt say its lost yet if they dont come up with anything soon the $100 HD-DVD players will all but destroy BD. BD will become a PS3 proprietary format, [sony] movies will still most likely be produced for it. Sony wont be releasing their movies on HD-DVD for a loooong time when BD is well and truly dead.Yeah im still waiting for the 300 plus games sony promised before the end of the year with only like 8 weeks left cant see that happening. Sony will release their films on HD DVD if they keep losing money. They have games on the 360 that sony have the rights too. Why did'nt they make em exclusive to PS3 "MONEY" And thats why there has been so many price drops on PS3. They aint making any profit on PS3 or Blu ray.

  10.11.2007 06:57 #10

• navi1199

  lol stalemate?, or you mean, no one really cares since all the movies we want comes out in both formats and that theres now players that plays both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD?

  10.11.2007 07:29 #11

• ZippyDSM

  Andrew691
  
  All I see is 50+$ mediocre games all I see is fluff its going to take at least 3 years before the PS3 will have a handful of games to make it worth the price of admission.
  
  BR is about as well thought out as beta max only it has more support, the question is will they make a move into sub 150$ players before they lose the market to the cheap HDVD players.
  
  nptwenty
  the PS3 so far has been a overstatement of their "device" the games are not working right features have bee removed since launch they are scrambling to save money when they should be making it better and cheaper for the consumer, without rebuilding the foundation the brand is collapsing on itself.
  
  navi1199
  the the trouble with the dual format players is....they are 900+ it will halve in a year and be 300 in 2 or 3 and by then it might be over.

  10.11.2007 08:24 #12

• c1c

  Beatamax, UMD, MiniDisc, and now Blu-ray. Consumers will want HD DVD, just give it some time. I really don't see how it can die since Playstation has BR in it. I guess the playstation 3 will have to die as well?

  10.11.2007 11:10 #13

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by c1c: Beatamax, UMD, MiniDisc, and now Blu-ray. Consumers will want HD DVD, just give it some time. I really don't see how it can die since Playstation has BR in it. I guess the playstation 3 will have to die as well?I wouldn't diss minidisc its still used just not buy the consuemr market, UDM failed because they thought they could sell it at 30% less of new DVD movie price (why not package it with the DVD and release speacail UDM packs for the full price of the DVD)
  
  BR is more tricky because it has more backing however the same bell rings for it as it did for the others if its not cheap to the consumer they will ignore it.

  10.11.2007 11:19 #14

• duckNrun

  Originally posted by Tecbot: the price point of $100 players has been played it certainly did move hardware now lets talk about software...how many weeks have hd-dvd had top sales in software...Im not even sure but thats something to consider since thats whats going to win the format not players with enough movies that can be sold for a free player...just my opinion on what happened.Hardware has as much to do with it as the movies do. When one type of player has a significant lead over the other you will see those studios only releasing in format with less players begin to reconsider their decision. If 70% of people have say HD-DVD players then the studios are only reaping profits based upon 30% of the HD consumers. Since not all those consumers will be interested in every movie the actual pool of consumers to profit from will be even smaller. Smaller number of consumers = smaller sales = smaller profits = heads will roll.
  
  While on the surface it appears this is also true for the actual numbers of movies in a particular format this is not so relevant for the same reasons as above. A company does not care that there are 3x more movies in one format IF that format only has players in 1/3 of the households and the other has 2/3.
  
  Now if a substabtial amount of movies can be brought to one, and only one, format before the hardware sales become lopsided then there is still a chance for turn around and the format of the movie discs CAN affect that because most people would want to buy the player that dupported the most movies. However right now the numbers don't seem to be pushing the market that way.

  10.11.2007 11:44 #15

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Originally posted by Tecbot: the price point of $100 players has been played it certainly did move hardware now lets talk about software...how many weeks have hd-dvd had top sales in software...Im not even sure but thats something to consider since thats whats going to win the format not players with enough movies that can be sold for a free player...just my opinion on what happened.Hardware has as much to do with it as the movies do. When one type of player has a significant lead over the other you will see those studios only releasing in format with less players begin to reconsider their decision. If 70% of people have say HD-DVD players then the studios are only reaping profits based upon 30% of the HD consumers. Since not all those consumers will be interested in every movie the actual pool of consumers to profit from will be even smaller. Smaller number of consumers = smaller sales = smaller profits = heads will roll.
  
  While on the surface it appears this is also true for the actual numbers of movies in a particular format this is not so relevant for the same reasons as above. A company does not care that there are 3x more movies in one format IF that format only has players in 1/3 of the households and the other has 2/3.
  
  Now if a substabtial amount of movies can be brought to one, and only one, format before the hardware sales become lopsided then there is still a chance for turn around and the format of the movie discs CAN affect that because most people would want to buy the player that dupported the most movies. However right now the numbers don't seem to be pushing the market that way.the way I see it BR and sony will counter things slowly the prices will lower to slow and while they are changing things around studios will move over to the other side because they are pushing more players, BR has not lost yet but without a heavy price drop soon things will just go one to sided side and most likely land slide there.

  10.11.2007 13:09 #16

• spydah

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: Andrew691
  
  All I see is 50+$ mediocre games all I see is fluff its going to take at least 3 years before the PS3 will have a handful of games to make it worth the price of admission.
  
  BR is about as well thought out as beta max only it has more support, the question is will they make a move into sub 150$ players before they lose the market to the cheap HDVD players.
  
  nptwenty
  the PS3 so far has been a overstatement of their "device" the games are not working right features have bee removed since launch they are scrambling to save money when they should be making it better and cheaper for the consumer, without rebuilding the foundation the brand is collapsing on itself.
  
  navi1199
  the the trouble with the dual format players is....they are 900+ it will halve in a year and be 300 in 2 or 3 and by then it might be over.
  Zippy i have to disagree with ya there are good games on the PS3. Your point about them not having all features as the 360 version that is ported i agree on some titles but overall i think the PS3 on some of the current games is better in my opinion. I have been playing these titles on both systems and NBA 2k8 is smoother on the PS3 but Madden is smoother on the 360. CoD4 is better on the PS3 the only leg up 360 has is online play. Graphically its just slightly better on the PS3. All i will say is in due time things will be better gaming wise for the PS3. My biggest issue with Sony is their marketing for the PS3 is weak on the gamer side they choose the wrong way to push this system in homes by focusing on Blu-ray and not games. The more games the system would have had would have made it easier to push Blu-ray but they didnt do that. Thats the biggest negative which is lingering. Price wise is not bad at all right now and its at the price which most of the complainers a few months ago said would be good but these days you cant please anybody.

  10.11.2007 13:09 #17

• ZippyDSM

  spydah
  the trouble is the PS3 is only better on graphics for a few games and even still has issues with frame rates what I am getting at is the PS3 and 360 are pretty much the same they might offer alil more alil less but at the end of the day its only alil and because of that the PS3 fails as a game machine so far.

  10.11.2007 13:47 #18

• nptwenty

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: spydah
  the trouble is the PS3 is only better on graphics for a few games and even still has issues with frame rates what I am getting at is the PS3 and 360 are pretty much the same they might offer alil more alil less but at the end of the day its only alil and because of that the PS3 fails as a game machine so far.Yeah but given the choice I rather have the 360 version.
  1. Most of the time games are cheaper and out before PS3.
  2. The Xbox 360 Achiements are so addictive it makes me play the game more and more to unlock them points ;)
  3.Xbox Live is so much better
  4.No updates evey other week lol
  5. More demos to download than Sonys site
  6. My finger dont hurt as much on the right trigger button on the 360's controller as it does on Sony's
  
  But maybe one day there will be a Sony exclusive thats worth buying. Lets just hope the have'nt forgot that the PS3 is a games console and not a cheap Blu-Ray player.

  10.11.2007 14:32 #19

• spydah

  Quote:Originally posted by ZippyDSM: spydah
  the trouble is the PS3 is only better on graphics for a few games and even still has issues with frame rates what I am getting at is the PS3 and 360 are pretty much the same they might offer alil more alil less but at the end of the day its only alil and because of that the PS3 fails as a game machine so far.Yeah but given the choice I rather have the 360 version.
  1. Most of the time games are cheaper and out before PS3.
  2. The Xbox 360 Achiements are so addictive it makes me play the game more and more to unlock them points ;)
  3.Xbox Live is so much better
  4.No updates evey other week lol
  5. More demos to download than Sonys site
  6. My finger dont hurt as much on the right trigger button on the 360's controller as it does on Sony's
  
  But maybe one day there will be a Sony exclusive thats worth buying. Lets just hope the have'nt forgot that the PS3 is a games console and not a cheap Blu-Ray player.Thats not true on the updates. Just because they dont label them as firmware 2.0 whatever doesnt mean they aren't updates. If you dont play a game for a week or so or even a few days the 360 will my the system update so it can play the game. This happens a lot since i juggle between systems. I think their strategy on selling system is flawed. Like i said earlier if they chose to focus on the system as a game first more people would be willing to get Blu-ray movies and possibly a real standalone Blu-ray player in the future. But to drag their feet on that side wasnt the best move. Overall the PS3 is a good system that doesnt have that many lacks if you looking at it realistically.

  10.11.2007 15:55 #20

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Originally posted by ZippyDSM: spydah
  the trouble is the PS3 is only better on graphics for a few games and even still has issues with frame rates what I am getting at is the PS3 and 360 are pretty much the same they might offer alil more alil less but at the end of the day its only alil and because of that the PS3 fails as a game machine so far.Yeah but given the choice I rather have the 360 version.
  1. Most of the time games are cheaper and out before PS3.
  2. The Xbox 360 Achiements are so addictive it makes me play the game more and more to unlock them points ;)
  3.Xbox Live is so much better
  4.No updates evey other week lol
  5. More demos to download than Sonys site
  6. My finger dont hurt as much on the right trigger button on the 360's controller as it does on Sony's
  
  But maybe one day there will be a Sony exclusive thats worth buying. Lets just hope the have'nt forgot that the PS3 is a games console and not a cheap Blu-Ray player.
  are you crazy the 360 controller is a mess and badly designed(and the triggers are the worst I have seen on any game pad), the dual shock design is near prefect, my only complaint is the analog sticks could be stiffer.
  
  spydah
  BWC:strike (same for 360)
  over priced disc format: check
  games: question mark
  Good ahrdware:check (360 has the games but iffy hardware)
  Bad software:check (360 has the games but iffy hardware)
  over priced games:check (same for 360)
  
  as I said before there is lil difference in them, the 360 has more games but its more mediocre titles the PS3 is maturing slowly and will so for the next 2 years as they figure out how to get the PS3 to preform as advertised.

  10.11.2007 16:20 #21

• spydah

  Quote:Quote:Originally posted by ZippyDSM: spydah
  the trouble is the PS3 is only better on graphics for a few games and even still has issues with frame rates what I am getting at is the PS3 and 360 are pretty much the same they might offer alil more alil less but at the end of the day its only alil and because of that the PS3 fails as a game machine so far.Yeah but given the choice I rather have the 360 version.
  1. Most of the time games are cheaper and out before PS3.
  2. The Xbox 360 Achiements are so addictive it makes me play the game more and more to unlock them points ;)
  3.Xbox Live is so much better
  4.No updates evey other week lol
  5. More demos to download than Sonys site
  6. My finger dont hurt as much on the right trigger button on the 360's controller as it does on Sony's
  
  But maybe one day there will be a Sony exclusive thats worth buying. Lets just hope the have'nt forgot that the PS3 is a games console and not a cheap Blu-Ray player.
  are you crazy the 360 controller is a mess and badly designed(and the triggers are the worst I have seen on any game pad), the dual shock design is near prefect, my only complaint is the analog sticks could be stiffer.
  
  spydah
  BWC:strike (same for 360)
  over priced disc format: check
  games: question mark
  Good ahrdware:check (360 has the games but iffy hardware)
  Bad software:check (360 has the games but iffy hardware)
  over priced games:check (same for 360)
  
  as I said before there is lil difference in them, the 360 has more games but its more mediocre titles the PS3 is maturing slowly and will so for the next 2 years as they figure out how to get the PS3 to preform as advertised.
  Honestly if somebodies only reason for spending $300 - $600 on a system is BWC then thats a problem. I know Sony is slow in the gaming dept at the moment but they did give people a version with BWC hence the 60gb model and partial with the 80gb model. They cheaping it down for those who said it was to much hence the 40gb model. They may not have their marketing together on this system but at least they are listening in some ways answering all the complaints just like the rumble controller is on its way on sometime soon. It didnt not take them long to see the issues in what they are doing so give them that much credit.

  10.11.2007 16:48 #22

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Quote:Quote:Originally posted by ZippyDSM: spydah
  the trouble is the PS3 is only better on graphics for a few games and even still has issues with frame rates what I am getting at is the PS3 and 360 are pretty much the same they might offer alil more alil less but at the end of the day its only alil and because of that the PS3 fails as a game machine so far.Yeah but given the choice I rather have the 360 version.
  1. Most of the time games are cheaper and out before PS3.
  2. The Xbox 360 Achiements are so addictive it makes me play the game more and more to unlock them points ;)
  3.Xbox Live is so much better
  4.No updates evey other week lol
  5. More demos to download than Sonys site
  6. My finger dont hurt as much on the right trigger button on the 360's controller as it does on Sony's
  
  But maybe one day there will be a Sony exclusive thats worth buying. Lets just hope the have'nt forgot that the PS3 is a games console and not a cheap Blu-Ray player.
  are you crazy the 360 controller is a mess and badly designed(and the triggers are the worst I have seen on any game pad), the dual shock design is near prefect, my only complaint is the analog sticks could be stiffer.
  
  spydah
  BWC:strike (same for 360)
  over priced disc format: check
  games: question mark
  Good ahrdware:check (360 has the games but iffy hardware)
  Bad software:check (360 has the games but iffy hardware)
  over priced games:check (same for 360)
  
  as I said before there is lil difference in them, the 360 has more games but its more mediocre titles the PS3 is maturing slowly and will so for the next 2 years as they figure out how to get the PS3 to preform as advertised.
  Honestly if somebodies only reason for spending $300 - $600 on a system is BWC then thats a problem. I know Sony is slow in the gaming dept at the moment but they did give people a version with BWC hence the 60gb model and partial with the 80gb model. They cheaping it down for those who said it was to much hence the 40gb model. They may not have their marketing together on this system but at least they are listening in some ways answering all the complaints just like the rumble controller is on its way on sometime soon. It didnt not take them long to see the issues in what they are doing so give them that much credit.I am sorry but they have back tracked on BWC and they pioneered it and they are discarding it because they want to save a few bucks sorry I dont think so I dont give MS slack for ti and I wont give sony any for it either, you might like pluging stuff in all the time when you want to play a old game or prehaps you are so pompous you don't play them whatever the case this si a issue and I will hold them to it.
  
  
  They should have launched the 60GB unit for 450 and be done with things but no they decided that dcking with features was a good choice..no they prefer to lsoe moeny on a shallow multi unit plan, sorry but so far sony has not made a good decision since launch.
  
  All in all MS is only slightly better off IMO but with the BWC being cherry picked and then hardware being brittle its 150$ over what I would personally send on it.
  
  For my its all about price V cost while I might double the reality of it a bit it still comes down to both MS and sony not offering enough stuff for the price they want for it.

  10.11.2007 17:50 #23

• spydah

  Well what i read about with the 20gb and 60gb version that did support BWC they arent discontinued they are sitting at halt so they could release cheaper versions of the system. Thus the 40gb version. Now I partly agree on having to plug in a old system and play a old game or 2 can be a pain when you have other media hooked into your Tv or Tv's. But all and all i never blamed M$ for not support BWC ever personally i could careless if they do. I expect them to make next gen games and make them right for $60. Lastly price wise i look at things in a broader perspective like if your going to buy a car it generally cost them $7000 to make is it really worth paying $25,000+ for no but we all tend to do it. Its almost the same thing we these game system they all truly cost less then what its worth but since company's sell some of the internal parts separately like Blu-Ray, wifi (cards), memory stick readers, processors, internal memory, hard drives, and etc thats where we get hit with all these high end cost and since the so called HD/Blu-ray war seems to have these companies attention thats were the lacks start to hurt sells.

  10.11.2007 19:49 #24

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by spydah: Well what i read about with the 20gb and 60gb version that did support BWC they arent discontinued they are sitting at halt so they could release cheaper versions of the system. Thus the 40gb version. Now I partly agree on having to plug in a old system and play a old game or 2 can be a pain when you have other media hooked into your Tv or Tv's. But all and all i never blamed M$ for not support BWC ever personally i could careless if they do. I expect them to make next gen games and make them right for $60. Lastly price wise i look at things in a broader perspective like if your going to buy a car it generally cost them $7000 to make is it really worth paying $25,000+ for no but we all tend to do it. Its almost the same thing we these game system they all truly cost less then what its worth but since company's sell some of the internal parts separately like Blu-Ray, wifi (cards), memory stick readers, processors, internal memory, hard drives, and etc thats where we get hit with all these high end cost and since the so called HD/Blu-ray war seems to have these companies attention thats were the lacks start to hurt sells.I am looking at things from a game machine with prestige type deal, the BR the HDVD the high def is all loss the high price is loss the new games that are shorter but more shiny are a loss, their filing the pool with sand thinking it will atract more people but they only wind up with a dessert, don't get me wrong Sony and MS are as eqauly blind on this but MS is not retreating on things as much as ignoring them, for me sony has 2 options to move forward drop the price of the "main" unit or bring back full BWC until then its a jargaur/3do with a DVD player, least till it has 300 titles to try and pick the non tween fodder from..

  10.11.2007 20:15 #25

• DXR88

  if they unlocked the plastation id by it just to get more exp. programming for cell processor. however at the current rate i really dont see the need to buy one.
  
  Spydah is right however they used the wrong market shceme's and now there in deadmansland they can get out however at the cost of there brand name, witch sony will never do no matter what happens, even if it costs them there gaming department.

  11.11.2007 09:50 #26

• Solo_Tek

  Received a link to some savings at the Circuit City outlet store.
  Well it seems that all their Blue Ray players are at a discounted price at the "Outlet Store". The email had a link to an outlet blow out savings of up to 75% off.
  
  Panasonic-DMP-BD10A
  
  Sony-Blu-ray-Disc-Player-BDP-S1
  
  LG-Super-Blu-HD-Player-BH100

  11.11.2007 10:09 #27

• NexGen76

  If people really think that Sony only pushing PS3 for Blu-Ray movie only then you haven't been paying any attention to what going on.I have yet to see any commercial that say anything about the PS3 been Blu-Ray player only.Sony has market the PS3 very good look at the ad's that been pop in up on TV.Heavenly Sword ad's they paid 5 million just for advertise for the month of Aug-Sept. Not counting the 20-30 million they are paying for there aggressive Blu-Ray campaign.Sony said back in March that they wasn't going to advertise the PS3(games) when they don't have games to push the system which makes perfect sense to me.There are games that are out now that has given the PS3 a boost & also with a 200 price cut in one year what more you want ? Games take time to develop i rather wait & get a game that was actually a finish product then waste time crying about there are no games then get a unfinished product.We all seen what happen when you rush a product out ! Microsoft is haven't countless Hardware issue thats costing them Billions & they still haven't solve there RROD issue yet.All the games that has been horrible port coming to the PS3 isn't Sony fault its the Dev's because they don't want to take the time to learn how to code for the PS3 but rather ship crap out to PS3 owners but Sony get the blame.Insomniac,Activision,& ubi soft has showed that if you take the time you can make a awesome game.Thats the lease these 2nd & 3rd party Dev's could do after making Million off the PS2 platform.All the games that has been made by Sony first party studio has been good games not great but good.Its a new console people & if you been buying console as long as i have then you would know that you got to be patient.

  11.11.2007 11:03 #28

• ZippyDSM

  NexGen76
  
  Yes and no the PS3 has been a piss poor game machine and the BR side of things almost seem better, there are reasons for this but it dose not help the PS3 that it appers to be more a media machine than a game machine.
  
  the PS3 is stagnating on games to say otherwise is to show your fanboyisim, the PS3 may or may not be getting better right now but tis goign to take a steady flow of well optimized games to show the PS3 hardware was not oversold to the public.

  11.11.2007 11:15 #29

• spydah

  I think Next Gen is right overall but i still see Sony indirectly using the PS3 as a Blu-Ray system first. Zippy if you havent noticed every PS product is a multi-media machine period. Thats how they got famous because of all the things one system can do. I love the fact that my system can handle multiple games and media. That really makes for a great sales pitch knowing people can get more for their money. Games like Heavenly Sword and CoD4 and others coming look great. I ended Heavenly Sword its a excellent title its short but still none the less its excellent kinda reminds me of Gears of War. I think Sony does deserve plenty of credit for answering the publics woes over the last few months. They could have stood their ground in not budged on price and hardware wise but they answered d@mn near ever cry. If the devs dont make a quality product Sony does seem to get slapped for it it was the same way when the PS2 and Xbox were heading the forum. People swore up and down the Xbox was better but it has been proving its really not. The devs didnt put the proper time and effort in to making games the whole way through with the best graphics the PS2 was able to put out thus all the earlier criticism. Now you still see the PS2 still making its way through the market even with next gen systems at the forefront. As long as Sony keeps their minds focused on the gamer side they will be fine.

  11.11.2007 11:50 #30

• NexGen76

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: NexGen76
  
  Yes and no the PS3 has been a piss poor game machine and the BR side of things almost seem better, there are reasons for this but it dose not help the PS3 that it appers to be more a media machine than a game machine.
  
  the PS3 is stagnating on games to say otherwise is to show your fanboyisim, the PS3 may or may not be getting better right now but tis goign to take a steady flow of well optimized games to show the PS3 hardware was not oversold to the public.Zippy, it appears to be more of a media machine because thats what the media is hyping.All because of this damm format war which im really growing tired of everyday.If Sony wasn't in a format War this wouldn't be a issue right now would it? Please tell me where are the games for Nintendo Wii thats people claim is so great but don't have one major title out yet & i don't see people crying about that? There are games out on the PS3 now that are very good but after being on the market a year don't you think it going to take time to build a library up.Like i said people are being too impatient.

  11.11.2007 11:50 #31

• spydah

  Quote:Originally posted by ZippyDSM: NexGen76
  
  Yes and no the PS3 has been a piss poor game machine and the BR side of things almost seem better, there are reasons for this but it dose not help the PS3 that it appers to be more a media machine than a game machine.
  
  the PS3 is stagnating on games to say otherwise is to show your fanboyisim, the PS3 may or may not be getting better right now but tis goign to take a steady flow of well optimized games to show the PS3 hardware was not oversold to the public.Zippy, it appears to be more of a media machine because thats what the media is hyping.All because of this damm format war which im really growing tired of everyday.If Sony wasn't in a format War this wouldn't be a issue right now would it? Please tell me where are the games for Nintendo Wii thats people claim is so great but don't have one major title out yet & i don't see people crying about that? There are games out on the PS3 now that are very good but after being on the market a year don't you think it going to take time to build a library up.Like i said people are being too impatient.
  Not only is there no games out for it either but weres the consoles its self. On top of that they are calling for a shortage for the holidays so thats a strike for them. They should have plenty available being it has been a pain just to get a hold of one before the holiday season.

  11.11.2007 12:38 #32

• Solo_Tek

  Quote:Originally posted by ZippyDSM: NexGen76
  
  Please tell me where are the games for Nintendo Wii thats people claim is so great but don't have one major title out yet & i don't see people crying about that?Well Lets see what Great games are on the Wii from launch to now and coming soon!
  
  1. Excite Truck- I was so addicted to this and I would have 5-6 friends over playing the hell out of this game. I have never had that happen for any other colsole I have had. Ohh wait I have, I have friends who come over to sit and play Classic Nes and Snes and 64 games for hours because they are fun and interactive not just Pretty.
  
  2.Marble mania: A Hybrid of Marble madness, but instead of moving the ball you move the Level (Terrain) to move the ball you have no direct control over the ball. Its a super fun game that a lot of my younger and older friends including parents love to play. Cant say that for any other console. Wait, yes I can, they like to play original games from the NES, SNES, and N64 as well.
  
  3.Mario Galxies: Coming out in a few days and it highly anticipated and I expected will be played by more than just little kids I am looking forward to its release as well as a lot of my other friends.
  
  4. Cant forget the new Zelda- I for one had to stop playing for the simple fact that my homework for school was not getting done and I was not studying for classes so I had to put this game down because it was so Addicting. Its a clean gun game!
  
  I could go on about so many more games but you knock on the Wii like its a bad system. Well its more interactive than any other console and it had brought a larger demographic of people together to play. School, Nursing homes and hospitals are all using the console to get people up and motivated. They are coming out with games for Fitness to get people active. For the price of the Console along with the games and the fact that you can download classic games from multiple formats is cool (!!!Streets of Rage!!!). Also you can connect to the Internet for updates on weather and news ( more for adults and teens) and you can brows the Internet (with the update you can connect a keyboard for easier browsing).
  
  And the fact still Remains it 2 console in 1 ( Wii and GC) with many other attachments that no other console on the market has and its only $250. And execs from Nintendo have stated that they could have charged more but did not and they are sold out consistently and are in such a high demand that Nintendo cant keep up with productions(How is that a Strike, It creates a demand and keeps it ahead of any other console for only $250).
  
  Sony cant even give theirs away?

  11.11.2007 12:48 #33

• ZippyDSM

  NexGen76
  Price V cost the WII ins because it offers as much or more level of fun as the PS3 at less cost.
  
  The games abotu as mediocre as the PS3s inf act because of the cost and the "zomg its a clone" issues the PS3 games feel even less special they look better but tis the same crap we've had for the past decade and even worse the games are getting smaller so they can make them look more shiny and because more than half the PS3 games are unpolished shiny fluff becue of the optimization issues.
  
  Both the PS3 and WII(and 360)are a wash in mediocre tittles however price V cost the WII wins out because you don't feel like you are being raped with every game you buy and the motion setup keeps things interesting.
  
  About BWC you either build around it or drop it I loath what MS and sony are doing with it its half assed and we the consumer are paying out the nose for these systems and they are removing features or ignoring them lil by lil, as much as cheap ass as I am I would spend 400 on the ps3 if it has proper BWC(basically the 500$ unit at 400), but sony is doing everythign they can do not make the PS3 a solid platform for the next 5+ years they are cutting losses and dumping the remains on the market hoping the zombie gamer horde will buy in without reading the fine print, MS is doing tis as well but to a lesser exstent.
  
  And if you really want to keep on the whole game thing where are the solid and great PS3 titles? everything hat has bee launched so far is mediocre ,crap or a clone of a clone, really the only titles I have seen that offer soemthign fresh or high level series sequel is FF,MGS and little planet the rest of the titles are par for the coarse of more moeny for less game, hell the 360 has a handful of RPGs making a better choice for now and thats kinda scary.
  
  I am sorry but currently sony is lost and the PS3 is a media machine that has yet to deutbe as a real game machine.

  11.11.2007 13:41 #34

• NexGen76

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: NexGen76
  
  Please tell me where are the games for Nintendo Wii thats people claim is so great but don't have one major title out yet & i don't see people crying about that?Well Lets see what Great games are on the Wii from launch to now and coming soon!
  
  1. Excite Truck- I was so addicted to this and I would have 5-6 friends over playing the hell out of this game. I have never had that happen for any other colsole I have had. Ohh wait I have, I have friends who come over to sit and play Classic Nes and Snes and 64 games for hours because they are fun and interactive not just Pretty.
  
  2.Marble mania: A Hybrid of Marble madness, but instead of moving the ball you move the Level (Terrain) to move the ball you have no direct control over the ball. Its a super fun game that a lot of my younger and older friends including parents love to play. Cant say that for any other console. Wait, yes I can, they like to play original games from the NES, SNES, and N64 as well.
  
  3.Mario Galxies: Coming out in a few days and it highly anticipated and I expected will be played by more than just little kids I am looking forward to its release as well as a lot of my other friends.
  
  4. Cant forget the new Zelda- I for one had to stop playing for the simple fact that my homework for school was not getting done and I was not studying for classes so I had to put this game down because it was so Addicting. Its a clean gun game!
  
  I could go on about so many more games but you knock on the Wii like its a bad system. Well its more interactive than any other console and it had brought a larger demographic of people together to play. School, Nursing homes and hospitals are all using the console to get people up and motivated. They are coming out with games for Fitness to get people active. For the price of the Console along with the games and the fact that you can download classic games from multiple formats is cool (!!!Streets of Rage!!!). Also you can connect to the Internet for updates on weather and news ( more for adults and teens) and you can brows the Internet (with the update you can connect a keyboard for easier browsing).
  
  And the fact still Remains it 2 console in 1 ( Wii and GC) with many other attachments that no other console on the market has and its only $250. And execs from Nintendo have stated that they could have charged more but did not and they are sold out consistently and are in such a high demand that Nintendo cant keep up with productions(How is that a Strike, It creates a demand and keeps it ahead of any other console for only $250).
  
  Sony cant even give theirs away?
  Go back & read my post i never said anything bad about Wii.I said that Wii do not have any games out yet worth moving consoles you just proved my point thanks.
  
  
  Originally posted by Zippy: And if you really want to keep on the whole game thing where are the solid and great PS3 titles? everything hat has bee launched so far is mediocre ,crap or a clone of a clone, really the only titles I have seen that offer soemthign fresh or high level series sequel is FF,MGS and little planet the rest of the titles are par for the coarse of more moeny for less game, hell the 360 has a handful of RPGs making a better choice for now and thats kinda scary. When the last time you have took time to visit a BB or CS because if you have then you would know that R&C,COD4,AC,Haze& Uncharted are all console movers.When you have time check into what im talking about because you couldn't be more wrong.All the best game are dropped around the Holidays.

  11.11.2007 14:05 #35

• ZippyDSM

  NexGen76
  ignore my posts and insert another's..thanks....
  as I said the WII like the PS3 as mostly mediocre titles with zelda,mario,brawl,metroid being the main sellers the PS3 has...well... lets see out of "R&C,COD4,AC,Haze& Uncharted " half of witch are on PC or 360 or both thus the argument on them is null, the PS3 dose have FF and MGS and acouple other titles but thats it they alone will not make the cost worth the price, while "zelda,mario,brawl,metroid" pretty much sells the WII by itself are is 12miloin units sold in a year not good enough for you?
  
  
  You really need to look at the PS3 titles again only a few are not multi system and only a few of them are worth the price, the WII is cheaper offers full BWC and new control style its games are stuck in a better rut than the PS3 is however its a rut non the less, we might ave enerted next gen but the games only look a bit better and in the WIIs case play better.
  
  Sony needs to stop dcking abotu bring focus back to the BWC and gaming ,drop all extra units the PS3 is good enough to be sold as a "whole" for 350-450 if not sells will not take off and devs will move harder to move to other systems in the sort run , sony dose not need to waste acouple years to prove the system.
  
  Because of the cost and loss of most 2nd party exclusives the PS3 is well a 3DO lest till it gets FF/MGS and whatnot, after that it upgrades to a "Xbox" it has the power and the cost that comes with it, if they can regain devs they might even return to being a full PSX machine but until then its price V cost says its simply to costly for the shortsighted, shiny fluff filled games on it.

  11.11.2007 14:27 #36

• Solo_Tek

  I took your comment about the Wii "Having No good games or major Title" and "No games that move the console" as a bad comment on the console.
  
  Your exact words "Please tell me where are the games for Nintendo Wii thats people claim is so great but don't have one major title out yet & i don't see people crying about that?"
  
  I explained word for word a few games that are Decent titles on the Wii that Move the console to the point of begin sold out over and over and has put stress on Nintendo's production line.
  
  And this is your come back "Go back & read my post i never said anything bad about Wii.I said that Wii do not have any games out yet worth moving consoles you just proved my point thanks."
  
  No I did two things I Proved you wrong all the way through and showed that Nintendo has Major releases that were strictly for their console and it had major sales for Nintendo.
  
  And the games that you say are major titles that move the PS3 are also major titles for other consoles as well " Call of Duty 4"! Show me an Exclusive game for PS3 that has led it to be sold out world wide and has created a whole new gaming realm to so many different variances of ages?
  
  The only thing you did was twist words and not answer anything.
  I answered you question of where are the games and the major titles!
  All you did was twist words :)
  

  13.11.2007 01:45 #37

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by Solo_Tek: I took your comment about the Wii "Having No good games or major Title" and "No games that move the console" as a bad comment on the console.
  
  Your exact words "Please tell me where are the games for Nintendo Wii thats people claim is so great but don't have one major title out yet & i don't see people crying about that?"
  
  I explained word for word a few games that are Decent titles on the Wii that Move the console to the point of begin sold out over and over and has put stress on Nintendo's production line.
  
  And this is your come back "Go back & read my post i never said anything bad about Wii.I said that Wii do not have any games out yet worth moving consoles you just proved my point thanks."
  
  No I did two things I Proved you wrong all the way through and showed that Nintendo has Major releases that were strictly for their console and it had major sales for Nintendo.
  
  And the games that you say are major titles that move the PS3 are also major titles for other consoles as well " Call of Duty 4"! Show me an Exclusive game for PS3 that has led it to be sold out world wide and has created a whole new gaming realm to so many different variances of ages?
  
  The only thing you did was twist words and not answer anything.
  I answered you question of where are the games and the major titles!
  All you did was twist words :)
  Nin has its own line up of nin games to sell on, now the frat boy immature 30+ year olds might not can stand sub par cute graphics but then again they need tits or gore to stay awake thus why the PS3 is not selling so well LOL
  
  But really the PS3 dose not have any strong titles yet and most of the strong ones that gone mutli to afford deving on the PS3... 8 to 1 MGS 4 will be slanted for release 20 months after its launch on the PS3.
  

  For all the console/game fanboys out their.
  http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles...Console-Rundown
  Oh god I can't stop laughing!!!

  13.11.2007 01:54 #38

• borhan9

  Quote:Stringer was also reported as saying that he wished he was Sony's CEO a few years ago so that he could use his power to help bring the formats together and forgo the entire format war.I like this ceo it seems he knows how to deal with certian things.
  
  Quote:We can only hope that Stringer's sentiments match those of the rest of Sony and the company will move towards marketing the PlayStation 3 as what it is, a gaming console that happens to have a Blu-ray drive built in.This is truely what the ps3 is all about. its a gaming console with a few special features added on.

  30.11.2007 01:10 #39

• DXR88

  Zippy there all over you like chinese on rice. man taking arguements to the max like that must be bad on your brain, man

  30.11.2007 21:37 #40