i dislike these rumors very much
but i dont doubt that BD sales of this disk must have been around 100K
13.12.2007 22:04 #1
Go Blu-Ray... Keep those numbers growing!
13.12.2007 22:35 #2
Yea Pirates did sell alot. Good job Blu-ray. Now i wanna kno the sales of Bourne and Harry Potter for each definition because where i work, i saw those fly off shelves faster then Pirates did. Unless my area is more of a Bourne and Harry Potter lover than Pirates lol. just curious, why's there the HD-DVD logo in this article when there's no HD-DVD mentioned or involved? lol XD
13.12.2007 23:40 #3
Originally posted by 26r0cK: , why's there the HD-DVD logo in this article when there's no HD-DVD mentioned or involved? lol XDI would say it would cost a pretty penny to run this site what better way to pay for it, thru sponsored static ads etc *winks*
14.12.2007 01:41 #4
Originally posted by 26r0cK: why's there the HD-DVD logo in this article when there's no HD-DVD mentioned or involved? lol XDActually there's a "Blu-ray vs HD DVD" logo there, as the story is part of the bigger story, called "next gen war" :-)
14.12.2007 02:43 #5
wow 160000 sales at $20 = $3200000 well i guess that film was worth making!
when over 50% of the population that is currently purchasing dvd's actually bother to downgrade to the hobbled by DRM HDCP HDMI and are forced to change all their equipment maybe then either camp will have something to gloat about but until they manage more than an insignificant amount of sales they should feck off and shut up as ppl really aren't fooling for the public relations spin from either side!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations#Spin
Originally posted by fta: Spin
In public relations, spin is a sometimes pejorative term signifying a heavily biased portrayal in one's own favor of an event or situation. While traditional public relations may also rely on creative presentation of the facts, "spin" often, though not always, implies disingenuous, deceptive and/or highly manipulative tactics. Politicians are often accused of spin by commentators and political opponents, when they produce a counter argument or position.
The techniques of "spin" include:
* Selectively presenting facts and quotes that support one's position (cherry picking)
* Non-denial denial
* Phrasing in a way that assumes unproven truths
* Euphemisms to disguise or promote one's agenda
* Ambiguity
* Skirting
* Rejecting the validity of hypotheticals
* Appealing to internal policies
Another spin technique involves careful choice of timing in the release of certain news so it can take advantage of prominent events in the news. A famous reference to this practice occurred when British Government press officer Jo Moore used the phrase It's now a very good day to get out anything we want to bury, (widely paraphrased or misquoted as "It's a good day to bury bad news"), in an email sent on September 11, 2001. The furor caused when this email was reported in the press eventually caused her to resign.
14.12.2007 04:44 #6
160,000 peak week sales are not even a high def record - and certainly nothing even remotely close to a regular DVD record.
14.12.2007 09:10 #7
Originally posted by hughjars: 160,000 peak week sales are not even a high def record - and certainly nothing even remotely close to a regular DVD record.You see... Blu-Ray has a blockbuster movie that sells over 160,000 copies and you still only have negative comments to bring to the table. Blu-ray could smash an all time record someday and yet I am sure you would be there to rain on the parade.
14.12.2007 11:33 #8
Blu-Ray breaking records is nothing new.......Can't wait til CES08
14.12.2007 12:52 #9
actually if you think about it sales are pretty much par with the general market.
there is roughly 111.4MILLIONhouseholds in the United States. assuming that 81% of all households own DVD players, we get 90,234,000. so considering estimates of 8million DVD copies of pirates sold, (only 8.8%), we'll say 9% (nice round figure) of owners bought a copy of pirates 3. this does not take into the account that families/roommates(apartment) own multiple players along with idea that it is not uncommon for families/roommates to own more than one copy of a movie. i also should note that i do not believe this movie was sold out everywhere, where the 8million would have then been a cap. may be it was but im pretty sure it was not.
blu-ray players. we'll use 2.7MILLION users. 160k copies sold, yields (5.9%) or we'll say 6%.
so yes hd sales are pitiful on the large scale, but is blu-ray sales performance really that far from DVD? considering the limited amount of consumers in this market, i think sales are actually in line with the general market. 6% to 9%.
it wasn't until LAST YEAR that the percentage of DVD players in the US household outnumbered VHS players. yeah i was a bit surprised myself when i came across that.
Quote:160,000 peak week sales are not even a high def record - and certainly nothing even remotely close to a regular DVD record.
if you want to argue overall sales NUMBERS, then fine do so till your blue in the face. but the percentages speak for themselves. if you continue comparing overall DVD sales to HD sales (which i think is a bit of a waste), then fine, but before you say any more stupid shit like the quote above or your recent posts in other threads, ye might want to take a step back and look at the big picture. Please, can you tell me, in DVDs first year of installment were there any record setting sales numbers that rivaled those of VHS? i highly doubt it. so why would you think, say, or expect anything else on Blu-ray or even HD-DVD?
oh but let me guess, its too upsetting or wrong when a company uses terms like Dominate, Own, Win etc., right? if these things really get under people's skin, may be its time someone took their internet away.
Exhibit A. Quote:Try reading this again (take your time over the long words or ask an adult for help if you're still incapable of grasping the meaning
Exhibit B. Quote:Ha ha.Warner have now started to postpone indefinitely/can big Blu-ray releases.Cos that's just what a movie studio would do when it's about to go Blu-ray exclusive, right Blu-ray fanboys?
Meanwhile I'm loving my HD DVD Led Zeppelin.
Too bad Blu-ray Led Zep fans, you shouldn't have trusted in a game console format.Best go HD DVD and hurry up & enjoy (it is excellent btw). Oooooh, I guess I'm supposed to be scared about this news too, eh?
Exhibit C. Quote:LMAOReduced to little bitchy snidey side comments again Nextgen? S'funny how avs was the target for your moans & compliants a little while back but now you love them cos you (wrongly) assume I cannot post there (unlike your Blu-ray.com pals).
AVSForums have not closed down their HD sections btw, they just kicked out all the (mostly) Blu-ray.com viral marketing BS'ers.
I can (and do) post there quite freely.
Wise up.
none of those posts provide anything informative other than your lack of maturity. lets not degrade afterdawn anymore than what it has become.
Exhibit D. Quote:But I am looking forward to having some fun with you and your pals after CES.
It's going to be really amusing seeing it spelt out unmistakeably loud and very clearly just how wrong you & your viral marketeering chums have been on this.
and that is exactly what this place does not need. as you term it "wise up." seriously
14.12.2007 12:56 #10
I'm thinking HD-DVD is going to become prevalent. Just about every new release seems to be on HD-DVD. The most recent one I've seen is The Kingdom. It just appears this way to me. Maybe I'm not seeing the BD titles that much. Bullsh** format war. Don't really care here anymore. I used to be on the blu-ray train but realised, who frakkin' cares. Both have bomb-ass quality and sound. Besides, HD-DVD has since matched BD with capacity at the 50GB mark.
14.12.2007 13:01 #11
Something I have noticed with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD crowds that I see in a LOT of forums.
Blu-Ray supporters liked Spider-Man 3 and PotC 2 & 3 and many disliked Transformers and prefer PS3 over Xbox 360.
HD-DVD supporters disliked Spider-man 3 and many liked Transformers and prefer Xbox 360 over PS3. (not sure about PotC on this one)
I am curious if Blu-Ray supporters also prefer Mac's and dislike Windows PC's?
It just appears to me that there is a clash between two different types of people, who have completely different tastes.
For example: I liked 300, Transformers and Bourne Ultimatum. I did not care for Spider-man 3 or PotC 2 & 3 (1 was fantastic though). I dislike Mac's and I own a Xbox 360...I do not own any HD players at this time but if I had to buy a player today, it would be HD-DVD.
14.12.2007 14:19 #12
Originally posted by m3_chris: You see... Blu-Ray has a blockbuster movie that sells over 160,000 copies and you still only have negative comments to bring to the table. - Actually I gave the 100% and correct facts of the matter.
160,000 peak week sales are not a high def record.
It's simply wrong to pretend otherwise.
Sorry if the truth is something "negative" to you - and you prefer a fantasy version of the truth.
Originally posted by m3_chris: Blu-ray could smash an all time record someday and yet I am sure you would be there to rain on the parade. - If they do set a record then i can hardly deny it can I?
The fact remains here thet 160,000 peak week sales are not a record.
It's not a record for high def sales and it's most certainly not a record (nor even remotely near a record) for regular DVD sales.
14.12.2007 14:26 #13
Originally posted by hade: its too upsetting - Oh dear.
You should have left it at that.
What a funny rant, sad to see you flip out like that.
Try a long lie down in a darkened room and getting a grip on reality for a change.
14.12.2007 14:29 #14
What movie has the record right now? Also is the record for first week of sales or most units sold on a high def format?
14.12.2007 14:32 #15
Thank you hade. Good info and you did not stoop to a childish level in your rebuttal. You are obviously mature. Would like to see more post from you. This is a good UN-BIASed site but one person here cant help but spew his cross eyed view. I'm not as mature as I stooped to his childish level. He is a child or why else would he be here on an artical that has NOTHING to do with hd dvd. Does he care if it breaks a record. He just cant stand any positive press for Blu.
14.12.2007 14:35 #16
Originally posted by m3_chris: What movie has the record right now?
Also is the record for first week of sales or most units sold on a high def format? - Transformers on DVD & HD DVD.
Sticks in the Blu-ray fanclub's throat that one does.
Hey, glasssd.
Hilarious on that 'wounded innocence' act
(so true to form for the Blu-ray fanclub when someone gives them a taste of their own medicine - but naturally done so much better and with actual facts :P ).
- Maybe you too can flip out & do a funny little(!?) rant/post ordering people about (the 'stop right there' ones are especially funny) or something like this side-splitting list of 'exhibits'.
It's entertaining to a point I guess, in a sad kind of way.
Very mature (over at Blu-ray.com) I'm sure. :P
14.12.2007 14:42 #17
Show me where you got Transformers numbers from for HD-dvd.
Nevermind found it. 190K for Transformers first week.
14.12.2007 14:52 #18
Quote:Originally posted by m3_chris: What movie has the record right now?
Also is the record for first week of sales or most units sold on a high def format? - Transformers on DVD & HD DVD.
Sticks in the Blu-ray fanclub's throat that one does.
Hey, glasssd.
Hilarious on that 'wounded innocence' act
(so true to form for the Blu-ray fanclub when someone gives them a taste of their own medicine - but naturally done so much better and with actual facts :P ).
- Maybe you too can flip out & do a funny little(!?) rant/post ordering people about (the 'stop right there' ones are especially funny) or something like this side-splitting list of 'exhibits'.
It's entertaining to a point I guess, in a sad kind of way.
Very mature (over at Blu-ray.com) I'm sure. :PI wouldn't get to upset at the things this guy has to say...... He gets paid well to say this stuff. No matter how much he wants to deny it.
14.12.2007 15:44 #19
Ordering you around. Not sure what your talking about. You are the one that likes to tell people to leave. Like when I asked about the 51gig disk. You told me to scamper off or something. But thanks for proving to everyone that you are a child with commits like that. If you think that Blu is doing pitiful, with Nelsons #s like 76-24 in Blu's favor, what is your brilliant word for how HD DVD is doing. By the way, you insured everyone that the 51gig disk would work on all players. Odd that Toshiba stated this week that they are not sure as the firm ware on all three models are different. One of you don't know what your talking about. Kinda like the LZ statement you made. Brilliant. Once again, wondering why you are making post on a Blu article that has nothing to do with hd dvd. I don't think Blu fans care about Pirates not selling as much as Transformers. We don't have to look hard or spin things to find a victory.
What ever he is getting paid, hd dvd is not getting their money's worth.
BTW, we do get a kick out of your post at bluray.com
14.12.2007 15:59 #20
Originally posted by glasssd: we do get a kick out of your post at bluray.com - Quell surprise.
Like as if we didn't know.
By your own admission.
Case closed.
14.12.2007 16:13 #21
Originally posted by m3_chris: What movie has the record right now? Also is the record for first week of sales or most units sold on a high def format?
That would be 300 on Blu-Ray for right now because the POTC3 numbers hasn't been released from Disney.300 BD outsold 300 HD 65% BD to 35% HD there was 250,000 copies sold the first week which mean.BD sold 162,500 copies to HD 87,500.Which equal to the ratio Warner gave that Blu-Ray out sold HD-DVD.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/D...D_by_2_to_1/848
Originally posted by : Show me where you got Transformers numbers from for HD-dvd.
Nevermind found it. 190K for Transformers first week.No that figure was wrong Transformers HD-DVD sold 115,000 copies not 190,000.Its was a HD-DVD record but not a HD record.
Quote:As we first reported on Friday, Home Media Magazine estimates the actual number of units sold through to consumers for the week as closer to 115,000. Meanwhile, according to an online report from Deadline Hollywood, Videoscan point-of-sale data is said to put the disc at only 89,871 units sold.Paramount never support there numbers claim it was nothing more than PR from them,But Blu-Ray still out sold HD-DVD Transformers that week with no major title releasing which was a huge blow to HD-DVD.
Disc Sales: Blu-ray Squeaks Weekly Win Against 'Transformers' HD DVD
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1109
F.Y.I
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending December 9th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...1607/index.php
WE: BD-76% HDD-24% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%
14.12.2007 16:53 #22
This bickering has gotten to the point of being utterly pathetic.
Blu-ray this and Hd-Dvd that, I for one am tired of seeing the same two or three people arguing about the same old crap week after week, month after month.
And you two or three people know who you are.
I vow never to enter another thread on Afterdawns website with the name blu-ray or Hd-Dvd in the title.
Peace all
14.12.2007 17:24 #23
my oh my, hughjars don't try and quote me on something i never said. i would have posted the 115k sales but its already out in the open. clearly as it stands transformers was not, nor has ever been the best selling HiDef movie.
i would have liked it on Blu-ray but i'll wait for now.
Quote:But wait you ask, didn't Transformers sell more copies than any other movie? Well, that's where it gets interesting, while Paramount claims they sold 190k copies, Nielsen only counted 115k
could the resulting sales be from walmart? possibly but those numbers from walmart are missing from spidey3 sales and pirates3, so it really makes no difference.
14.12.2007 17:45 #24
Quote:Originally posted by glasssd: we do get a kick out of your post at bluray.com - Quell surprise.
Like as if we didn't know.
By your own admission.
Case closed.Oh my, I let it slip. You really got me. A Blu-Ray owner hanging out at a Blu-Ray site. Your a genious, better let hd dvd group know that this is going on. Why are you posting on the thread that has nothing to do with hd dvd. Oh yea
14.12.2007 17:57 #25
NexGen and Hade, the hd dvd group insist that you quit using facts and officaial information at once. How dare you prove us wrong over and over. Now you listen to our guy.
14.12.2007 18:04 #26
Originally posted by morguex: This bickering has gotten to the point of being utterly pathetic.
Blu-ray this and Hd-Dvd that, I for one am tired of seeing the same two or three people arguing about the same old crap week after week, month after month.
And you two or three people know who you are.
I vow never to enter another thread on Afterdawns website with the name blu-ray or Hd-Dvd in the title.
Peace allI'm sorry you don't understand the purpose of a discussion forum, weather people in here agree or disagree what different does that make no one is breaking forum rules unlike you did a few days ago with your personal attack on me but i ignore childish acts like yours.So if anyone is getting tired its should be you with your meaning less posts that should be counted as nothing more than post padding at its best.No one going to miss you if you don't come in HD or Blu-Ray treads because you never bring any info anyway....Have a nice day Mr. or Miss morguex.
Originally posted by morguex: Fanboys, geeezzzz.
I hope they keep HDDVD, just to shut you up once and for all.
Have a nice day nexgen76.
14.12.2007 19:25 #27
Quote:Originally posted by m3_chris: You see... Blu-Ray has a blockbuster movie that sells over 160,000 copies and you still only have negative comments to bring to the table. - Actually I gave the 100% and correct facts of the matter.
160,000 peak week sales are not a high def record.
It's simply wrong to pretend otherwise.
Sorry if the truth is something "negative" to you - and you prefer a fantasy version of the truth.
Originally posted by m3_chris: Blu-ray could smash an all time record someday and yet I am sure you would be there to rain on the parade. - If they do set a record then i can hardly deny it can I?
The fact remains here thet 160,000 peak week sales are not a record.
It's not a record for high def sales and it's most certainly not a record (nor even remotely near a record) for regular DVD sales.You say that this is not a high def record, but the title says it is a Blu-ray record....why do you continue to include the HD-DVD record in a Blu-ray record category. They are not making high def claims like you say, just blu-ray. And then you mention DVD sales. They are not high def. Sometimes you need to read the article before jumping to conclusions
15.12.2007 03:01 #28
Originally posted by peakskilz: You say that this is not a high def record, but the title says it is a Blu-ray record....why do you continue to include the HD-DVD record in a Blu-ray record category. - Er, I simply made a comment that this was not a high def record (which, despite the quibbling of the Blu-ray fanclub is the truth).
Originally posted by peakskilz: They are not making high def claims like you say, just blu-ray. - .....and I never said different.
I though the overall record situation was worth a comment as context for the subject matter.
Feel free to disagree if you like.
Originally posted by peakskilz: And then you mention DVD sales. - .....and so what?
First of all it, again, provides context and secondly I was asked by another poster.
Originally posted by peakskilz: They are not high def. - Again; and so what?
It provides fair context for any of these record claims.
Originally posted by peakskilz: Sometimes you need to read the article before jumping to conclusions - I think you ought to take your blinkers off and try thinking about this a little more before trying to rush in and take a rather obvious (if lame) bash.
15.12.2007 10:43 #29
Quote:As always however, the sales were tiny compared to standard definition sales, where "At World's End" sold 8 million copies in its first week.This just shows you that the new HD discs are not main stream yet and the players still need to drop in price and the disc prices as well.
24.12.2007 00:55 #30
