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Toshiba dropping HD DVD?

Media and analysts have speculated the future of HD DVD frequently since Warner turned Blu. During the last couple of weeks the emphasis of speculations has been on when HD DVD will lose, rather than will it lose the war. The most recent turn-ups were when Netflix and Best Buy announced support for Blu-ray, and Toshiba's reply to those was considered by some to be the last breath.

According to Hollywood Reporter, "reliable industry sources" claim that Toshiba will be abandoning its high-definition format. Officially there is no decision yet, "Based on its technological advancements, we continue to believe HD DVD is the best format for consumers, given the value and consistent quality inherent in our player offerings," said the vice president of marketing for Toshiba America Consumer Products, Jodi Sally.



However, the future of HD DVD doesn't seem that solid even coming from Sally, "Toshiba will continue to study the market impact and the value proposition for consumers, particularly in light of our recent price reductions on all HD DVD players."

Has Toshiba run out of aces? After the Warner news, Toshiba has used millions and millions into ads, one of which was the $2,7 million, 30-second Superbowl spot, marketed the HD DVD players as a better DVD player rather than the next-gen system, and cutting prices of HD DVD players down far from profitable.

Let's not put the last nail in the coffin just yet though. As Toshiba has been accustomed to say, the high-definition disc sales compared to DVD sales is just a drop in the ocean.

Written by: Matti Robinson @ 15 Feb 2008 7:33

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• error5

  Even if Toshiba doesn't make an official announcement for several more weeks, the fact is this story has spread like wildfire throughout the internet and has been picked up by Reuters and the Washington Post. The threads on other forums discussing this story have been very busy since this broke yesterday.
  
  If we don't hear anything in the form a denial from Toshiba in the next few days then you probably know what that means.
  
  I expect to see more retail or rental announcements in the wake of this leak. It's also possible that a major studio announcement could be in the works.
  
  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

  15.2.2008 08:24 #1

• spydah

  I am glad that they may be dropping out of this format war or at least stepping back. Who knows though they may have another trick up their sleeves and could pull a wild card that hasnt been played yet. But all thats going to do is get the HD-DVD camps panties in a bunch.

  15.2.2008 09:50 #2

• varnull

  blah blah blah.. here we go again.
  

  
  
  Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.... Commercial "pay for" software = made by software developers who want paying... see where I'm going with this?

  15.2.2008 09:59 #3

• elfman12

  It's looking inevitable, that's sure. But that particular article has several fact problems and is more of an opinion/gossip piece. Funny how it's spread so quickly...

  15.2.2008 10:00 #4

• ZeusAV

  Hopefully this is true. The sooner the industry gets together on one format, the less frustrating and confusing Hi-Def media will be for consumers. Less competition will mean prices will fall slower but at least people will rest easy know that all major movie titles will be availible on one single format.

  15.2.2008 10:23 #5

• juankerr

  elfman12: Care to point out the "fact problems" in the article?
  
  Hollywood Reporter is one of the most respected entertainment publications at par with Variety. They have a reputation to uphold and you can bet they vetted this "source" and double and triple checked the article. The fact that the story was picked up by Reuters and The Washington Post is good enough for me. Besides everything that has been happening so far has pointed out to this happening sooner or later.

  15.2.2008 10:27 #6

• hughjars

  "Reliable industry sources" could mean anyone, my money is on this being more 'work' from known Blu-ray shill Bill Hunt.
  
  The only facts in the story are that there are no facts.
  
  Not one corroborating word from anyone on the HD DVD side, in fact outright denial.
  
  The most obvious reason for this story is someone Blu has put out a story to counter yesterday's
  'Warner to not quite ditch HD DVD in June'
  story.
  
  IMO it's all a little too obvious, too heavy-handed & lacking in any subtlety.

  15.2.2008 10:33 #7

• jpc1958

  Hmm, will this mean a "fire sale" on HD-DVD discs? I have both formats, and prefer HD-DVD, so I would be likely to buy up all of my favorite HD movies in the HD DVD format before they go the way of the Dodo bird.

  15.2.2008 10:42 #8

• jrosado5

  Don't Worry Blu-Ray camp, you're next! With $400 non-upgradable players and expensive movie titles, you'll be just a niche market as well. Wait until all the folks buying Blu-Ray players realize they bought bricks for $300 - $400. We HD Red camp will wait for you in the tech junkyard along with betamax, UMD, Laserdisc, Minidisc. Wait, aren't these things Sony? Oh, I guess we are not alone afterall. Sony is keeping the lights on for us in Tech Oblivion.

  15.2.2008 10:43 #9

• 7thsinger

  Originally posted by varnull: blah blah blah.. here we go again.My thoughts exactly.
  
  I'm gonna go home and watch some VHS.
  

  
  
  
  
  
  
  "Sir, i would not harm thee for the world, but thou art standing where i'm about to shoot."

  15.2.2008 10:45 #10

• nobrainer

  eek

  15.2.2008 10:47 #11

• nobrainer

  eek

  15.2.2008 10:49 #12

• nobrainer

  "According to Hollywood Reporter, "reliable industry sources""
  
  Well that just smells of the MPAA and seems it's the Pro DRM MPAA members (sony, disney and fox) that have dictated to consumers by refusing to release ANY titles on HD-DvD what format will succeed, even though Blu-Ray was not ready to be released and early adopters are now finding that new titles especially ones containing BD+ DRM will fail to work on their fraudulently sold obsolete hardware.
  
  

  The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
  
  The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
  
  The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
  
  The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.
  
  How do you stop anti consumer = its easy purchase only second hand media and avoid their propertarian hobbled by DRM hardware! http://www.boycott-riaa.com/

  15.2.2008 10:51 #13

• SProdigy

  I'd like to believe HD-DVD can stick around or be competitive, but the fact is, there's just so much negative press being thrown against them, I can't see how a semi-informed consumer can even give one thought at purchasing a HD-DVD player now. Unless they can turn the negative banter around, price drops don't even have the power to entice me towards a purchase.
  
  On the other hand, Blu-Ray won't be seeing a single dollar from me anytime soon, as long as I can still DVR and download HD content and play them on my HDTV, I'm happy as can be. TVersity with my DirecTV HR21 streams ALL of my HD content nicely over my network and my upconvert DVD player is still very enjoyable as well IMHO.

  15.2.2008 11:09 #14

• glasssd

  Wal-Mart is dropping HD-DVD. Can we say it is over now?

  15.2.2008 11:11 #15

• juankerr

  Originally posted by error5: Even if Toshiba doesn't make an official announcement for several more weeks, the fact is this story has spread like wildfire throughout the internet and has been picked up by Reuters and the Washington Post. The threads on other forums discussing this story have been very busy since this broke yesterday.
  
  If we don't hear anything in the form a denial from Toshiba in the next few days then you probably know what that means.
  
  I expect to see more retail or rental announcements in the wake of this leak. It's also possible that a major studio announcement could be in the works.
  
  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.A retailer/rental announcement could be imminent (if a certain insider continues to be accurate in his predictions). However, I don't see any major studio announcements until at least Q2 or even Q3.
  
  Added:
  
  http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9873029-7.html
  
  Wal-Mart puts stake through HD DVD's heart
  
  
  Quote:Things have gone from bad to worse for HD DVD in the space of one week.
  
  Wal-Mart announced Friday morning that it, too, has chosen a side in the battle for high-definition video supremacy: by June it will only stock Blu-ray Disc players.
  
  (Credit: Crave UK)A buyer in Wal-Mart's video division wrote this morning on her Wal-Mart Checkout blog that the retail giant had made the decision following Netflix and Best Buy's high-profile announcements that they will exclusively stock Blu-ray products.
  
  Wrote Susan Chronister of Wal-Mart: "By June Wal-Mart will only be carrying Blu-ray movies and hardware machines, and of course standard-def movies, DVD players, and up-convert players."
  
  "So," she continues, not mincing words, "if you bought the HD (DVD) player like me, I'd retire it to the bedroom, kid's playroom, or give it to your parents to play their John Wayne standard-def movies, and make space for a BD player..."
  
  That might be the best option at this point, as the dominoes keep falling in Blu-ray's favor. While Netflix and Best Buy were pretty damning evidence that the end was near, now it's glaringly obvious: it's over for HD DVD. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that consumers will automatically start buying Blu-ray players. As mentioned many times before here, prices will have to continue to fall on both Blu-ray players and packaged media for there to be any sort of mainstream adoption of the format.
  
  There are rumors that Toshiba might soon be declaring defeat: The Hollywood Reporter has sources telling it that Toshiba, the main backer of the HD DVD, might drop its allegiance with the format in the next few weeks.
  
  Toshiba denies it, but stay tuned. There's likely much more to come in this drama.

  15.2.2008 11:14 #16

• glasssd

  Studio's wont say anything for a while due to not having their product finished in Blu yet. Tosh should make an anouncement within 3 weeks. Hugjar should have the inside info on this and be able to explain it if he wants to.
  I an not trying to be a jerk towards Hugjars. He proably does have inside info on Toshiba's soon to come anouncement.

  15.2.2008 11:20 #17

• gallagher

  Originally posted by ZeusAV: Hopefully this is true. The sooner the industry gets together on one format, the less frustrating and confusing Hi-Def media will be for consumers. Less competition will mean prices will fall slower but at least people will rest easy know that all major movie titles will be availible on one single format.I have neither, but I am tired of people using the argument of retards. Who cares if someone can't read HD-DVD or Blu-Ray? There is Pepsi and Coke. There is Pizza Hut and Papa Johns. There was Beta and VHS. There are many different audio and video connections (and they look identical too). Look at all the camcorders and their methods of recording. If a person is that retarded where they cannot read in big bold letters what FORMAT a digital product is in, then they deserve to be ripped off.
  
  This will actually hurt the industry. Dual format players were coming into the market and dropping in price. The exclusive HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players were coming down in price with all sorts of freebies. Watch now. The industry will stagnate. Prices will not drop and Gates will be right. The current HD disc industry will fail.
  
  They will try to screw over customers.
  
  As for

  15.2.2008 11:23 #18

• 2colors

  I don't understand why people have rallied behind BlueRay. HDDVD hardware & movies cost less than BR. Yes I bought into HDDVD about 6 months ago, and don't regret my move. Toshiba has built a superior product compared to BR. Yes we get firmware updates and won't have to replace our players like BR owners will find out. And HDDVD isn't bogged down with DRM. I hope they hang in there and keep their products coming. I have a HD-A20 & a BR/HDDVD combo player in my computer but have yet to buy a BR movie. Toshiba don't jump the ship yet, stand behind your quality product and give us hope you've got the balls to take on Sony.

  15.2.2008 11:32 #19

• m3_chris

  Originally posted by glasssd: Wal-Mart is dropping HD-DVD. Can we say it is over now?Did HD-DVD have a really bad week or what? Domino effect..

  15.2.2008 12:00 #20

• aznsai

  Originally posted by jrosado5: Don't Worry Blu-Ray camp, you're next! With $400 non-upgradable players and expensive movie titles, you'll be just a niche market as well. Wait until all the folks buying Blu-Ray players realize they bought bricks for $300 - $400. We HD Red camp will wait for you in the tech junkyard along with betamax, UMD, Laserdisc, Minidisc. Wait, aren't these things Sony? Oh, I guess we are not alone afterall. Sony is keeping the lights on for us in Tech Oblivion.what are you taking about? 1st generation bluray had problems with title like Fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer, but was corrected with an firmware update.

  15.2.2008 12:00 #21

• juankerr

  Link to the official Walmart blog site:
  
  http://checkoutblog.com/
  http://checkoutblog.com/entries/2008/2/1...f_platform.aspx
  
  Quote: Wal-Mart Chooses a Hi Def Platform
  Friday, February 15 at 04:34 AM | Posted by: Susan
  Category: Movies
  
  Back in December I posted a Blog that said “HD or BD – Does Anyone Care.” I only received one response, I was very disappointed. :( But following the news from Best Buy and Netflix, everyone's asking "what about Wal-Mart?"
  
  Ok, so are you ready…Wal-Mart is going Blu.
  
  I am very excited about this news!! This decision will make my job so much easier. While I myself bought an HD player this Christmas, primarily because my husband is a huge Jason Bourne fan, I guess I am going to have to retire it to the kids play room as an up convert. My kids have already been enamored by the great hi def experience and we no longer have control of the TV in our family room. Soon they will enjoy the family Hi Def player in their playroom and can watch their standard def Scooby Doo, Star Wars, and Harry Potter movies as if they were in Hi Def.
  
  Enough about my family and on to the Wal-Mart plans… by June Wal-Mart will only be carrying BluRay movies and hardware machines, and of course standard def movies, DVD players, and up convert players. Not sure of the short term pricing plans, but history tells us that as more people move to a new technology prices typically go down.

  15.2.2008 12:02 #22

• hughjars

  Wow, anyone would think there had been an official announcement the way some seem so sure of this.
  
  There hasn't, if anything (and looking at how it's almost word for word with the Netflix/Best Buy comment I wouldn't be so sure they even got anything from anyone at Toshiba) there's been a denial in fact.
  
  .....and a Walmart blog?!
  Please.
  
  Even that is wide open to interpretation.
  The blogger says Walmart will continue to stock upconverting DVD - which funnily enough is the line Toshiba have been taking recently.
  
  It's all more of the same, trying to talk-up Blu-ray and create an impression HD DVD is dead & gone away.
  It's not and it hasn't.
  
  Just like Universal & Paramount have done nothing to dump HD DVD either, not even a move to purple.

  15.2.2008 12:09 #23

• elfman12

  Originally posted by juankerr: elfman12: Care to point out the "fact problems" in the article?
  Sure, juankerr.
  
  1. Toshiba didn't pay 2.7 mil for a superbowl ad. The ads that ran were existing ads, only ran in a few markets and was well under 1 mil.
  
  2. Best Buy did NOT go BluRay exclusive. They are going to direct customers in BR's direction, but they are not dropping HD-DVD players or discs.

  15.2.2008 12:18 #24

• elfman12

  Originally posted by hughjars: IMO it's all a little too obvious, too heavy-handed & lacking in any subtlety.
  Yeah, what tipped me off to that was when he mentions "a pitch to journalists for interviews came from a Microsoft email address." - like that's some sort of nefarious practice. And no mention of Sony's hand in the WB/FOX decisions.
  
  I'm getting pretty good at reading the current "tech" journalists biases.

  15.2.2008 12:22 #25

• juankerr

  Originally posted by elfman12:
  1. Toshiba didn't pay 2.7 mil for a superbowl ad. The ads that ran were existing ads, only ran in a few markets and was well under 1 mil.I'm talking about the original Hollywood Reporter article:
  
  http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/cont...7d0bfb0c25aa58d
  
  Quote:the company ran an ad during the Super Bowl -- a 30-second spot that reportedly cost $2.7 million.If you have a source that gives the actual dollar amount that Toshiba paid for the ad then I'd appreciate it if you'd share it with us - preferably from an official Toshiba spokesperson.
  
  Quote:2. Best Buy did NOT go BluRay exclusive. They are going to direct customers in BR's direction, but they are not dropping HD-DVD players or discs.Directing customers to a certain product rather than towards a competitor - for me at least - is just as good as exclusive support.

  15.2.2008 12:30 #26

• elfman12

  Quote:If you have a source that gives the actual dollar amount that Toshiba paid for the ad then I'd appreciate it if you'd share it with us - preferably from an official Toshiba spokesperson.
  Ok, so you'll trust a tech writer with NO sourcing, yet I have to provide sourcing FROM A TOSHIBA SPOKESPERSON?
  
  See, that's what I'm talking about, selective acknowledgment of information is becoming a norm for the tech news "blogosphere". Afterdawn does a pretty good job of sourcing, but so many others are just drifting into shaky ground, really.
  
  Quote:Directing customers to a certain product rather than towards a competitor - for me at least - is just as good as exclusive support.
  I'll let that comment stand for itself.

  15.2.2008 12:43 #27

• NexGen76

  Quote:Wal-Mart puts stake through HD DVD's heart
  
  
  Quote:Things have gone from bad to worse for HD DVD in the space of one week.
  
  Wal-Mart announced Friday morning that it, too, has chosen a side in the battle for high-definition video supremacy: by June it will only stock Blu-ray Disc players.
  
  (Credit: Crave UK)A buyer in Wal-Mart's video division wrote this morning on her Wal-Mart Checkout blog that the retail giant had made the decision following Netflix and Best Buy's high-profile announcements that they will exclusively stock Blu-ray products.
  
  Wrote Susan Chronister of Wal-Mart: "By June Wal-Mart will only be carrying Blu-ray movies and hardware machines, and of course standard-def movies, DVD players, and up-convert players."
  
  "So," she continues, not mincing words, "if you bought the HD (DVD) player like me, I'd retire it to the bedroom, kid's playroom, or give it to your parents to play their John Wayne standard-def movies, and make space for a BD player..."
  
  That might be the best option at this point, as the dominoes keep falling in Blu-ray's favor. While Netflix and Best Buy were pretty damning evidence that the end was near, now it's glaringly obvious: it's over for HD DVD. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that consumers will automatically start buying Blu-ray players. As mentioned many times before here, prices will have to continue to fall on both Blu-ray players and packaged media for there to be any sort of mainstream adoption of the format.
  
  There are rumors that Toshiba might soon be declaring defeat: The Hollywood Reporter has sources telling it that Toshiba, the main backer of the HD DVD, might drop its allegiance with the format in the next few weeks.
  
  Toshiba denies it, but stay tuned. There's likely much more to come in this drama.
  
  Damm what happen to those cheap chinese HD-DVD players that was going to flood the market & give HD-DVD the upper hand ? Did they make it to the shore yet ?
  

  
  

  15.2.2008 12:57 #28

• juankerr

  Originally posted by hughjars: Wow, anyone would think there had been an official announcement the way some seem so sure of this.
  
  There hasn't, if anything (and looking at how it's almost word for word with the Netflix/Best Buy comment I wouldn't be so sure they even got anything from anyone at Toshiba) there's been a denial in fact.
  
  .....and a Walmart blog?!
  Please.
  
  Official word from Walmart from CNN Money and Engadget:
  
  http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/15/technolo...sion=2008021511
  
  http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/15/wal...-sales-by-june/
  
  Quote:Wal-Mart on Blu-ray bandwagon
  Retailer will only sell Sony's hi-def movie discs, phasing out Toshiba's HD-DVD discs in its 4,000 Wal-Mart and Sam's Club stores this year.
  February 15 2008: 11:28 AM EST
  
  
  NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- National discount retailer Wal-Mart announced Friday that it had decided to only sell Sony's Blu-ray hi-definition movie discs, and will phase out Toshiba's competing HD-DVD formatted discs over the next several months.
  
  Wal-Mart said that by June, its 4,000 Wal-Mart and Sam's Club stores would sell only Blu-ray discs and Blu-ray hardware players. Blu-ray and Toshiba's HD-DVD format are not compatible.
  
  "We've listened to our customers, who are showing a clear preference toward Blu-ray products and movies with their purchases," said Gary Severson, Wal-Mart's Senior Vice President of Home Entertainment in a statement.
  That's the official statement from Walmart's Senior VP for Home Entertainment.

  15.2.2008 13:00 #29

• hm577

  leave it to Afterdawn to blow sunshine up people's ass and skew the truth...........................
  
  NOTHING in that commercial even hinted towards HD-DVD players being "better DVD players rather than the next-gen system". This just pisses me off when people's brains shut down and decide to re-interpret what it wants to hear and EVEN WORSE............what it wants OTHERS to hear.
  
  Can you say............."Afterdawn is WAAAAAYYY pro Blu-ray"?
  
  
  "Even your current DVD collection looks great" quote-unquote.
  
  GET IT RIGHT AD!!!
  
  If they weren't supposedly in "Finland", I'd say they're Republican for no apparent reason and if Hitler was a Repub..........THEY"D VOTE FOR HIM.

  15.2.2008 13:15 #30

• hughjars

  Walmart.
  
  Another post-dated cheque in the mail for Blu-ray.
  
  LMAO
  
  They are not happy bunnies actually.
  
  Yesterday was supposed to be the end of this and a St Valentines day massacre of HD DVD.
  
  It came to nothing but a handful of the stories they were going to spread have made it out.
  
  The Hollywood reporter tale, the Toshiba Blu-ray player tale & the current Walmart tale.
  
  All looking pretty thin when examined cos Universal & Paramount would not play ball with Sony & the BDA.
  
  Next up will come the HD DVD moves and we will all see just how empty & unreliable post-dated cheques & promises really are.
  
  There's lots of time between now & June for things to change enormously.

  15.2.2008 13:25 #31

• jrosado5

  Defectors May Push Toshiba Out of HD-DVD Format
  
  Defeat Does Not Mean Success
  
  Michael Gartenberg, an analyst with industry research firm JupiterResearch, said the Warner announcement -- during the all-important Consumer Electronics Show in January -- was a "body blow" to HD DVD. It was always about content, he said, and the content is moving away from that format.
  
  While the war has been raging, some alternatives for viewing better-quality movies have emerged. There are upscaling, regular DVD players, which offer a stepped-up picture and have become very inexpensive. There is also delivery of high-def over high-speed Internet connections. At January's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Comcast demonstrated technology that permits a high-def movie to be downloaded in four minutes.
  
  Gartenberg cautioned that "defeating HD DVD does not necessarily mean that Blu-ray succeeds." He added that the main competition for each format has always been upscaling DVDs and online delivery, and he noted that consumers are now able to watch a high-def movie over Apple TV "within two or three minutes of when it is purchased."
  
  For Blu-ray to succeed, Gartenberg said, it "has to get the price of players down" to the levels we're now seeing for discounted HD-DVD players. Those prices have been dropping rapidly, as low as $120 to $200 less than the cheapest Blu-ray player.
  
  "If Blu-ray doesn't catch on in 2008," he predicted, "it may remain only a niche format."
  
  
  Blu-Ray profile 1.1, 1.3 and 2.0. = unfinished format = BRICKS!!!

  15.2.2008 13:33 #32

• LOCOENG

  hm577, have a nice vacation.
  

  Don't forget about your Buddies The rules ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487
  

  15.2.2008 14:59 #33

• FormatDuo

  Where's he going?? Anyone? Anyone? I need a vacation too. Been thinkin' about Puerto Rico..........HHmmmmmmmm...........Sand Surf and Senioritas.
  
  
  OOOhhhhh............Margaritas too.

  15.2.2008 15:34 #34

• camaro17

  lol im not even gonna make a bad comment towards hd-dvd because I've had enough of all this fighting on the AD forums.
  
  Peace

  15.2.2008 15:53 #35

• ddp

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  15.2.2008 16:45 #36

• goodswipe

  Originally posted by hm577:
  Ummm............if you can state ONE MAJOR DISADVANTAGE to having both formats around with dual format players being the standard then I will stand corrected. But you can't .............no one can. What are you, foreign?? "Not having to buy things twice." ??? That's a comment that can be expected from one whom is uninformed. Can you say "buy a movie like Transformers that's only available on HD-DVD and then buy a movie that's only available on Blu-ray like Pirates and then buy EITHER format when available on both". This goes for you too moderator and your comment......"Amazing, simply amazing that you can't see the light of day in front of you." Counter me with an intelligible and EXPLAINED disagreement and then just MAYBE you might actually convince ONE PERSON IN YOUR LIFE ON THIS PLANET to see your side.Originally posted by goodswipe:
  LOL, is that you b4nned4life?? Sorry man but, you can't hide. I know that dual format talk when I see it.heh, I knew it!
  

  "look honey, it said goodswipe! oh wow, that's amazing."

  15.2.2008 16:52 #37

• imback10x

  Well it's about time!! Took you THAT long to sniff out the packets and scan through the logs to determine. Still haven't done anything wrong and keep getting banned for lame reasons. Excluding this one...........I have PLENTY O IPs to use to create accounts. I love AD........and I love commenting on AD...........and, to be frank............I think people love having me comment. As long as I'm not to harsh on them and their opinions.
  
  
  Dual format players are going to be the standard. Blu-ray will maintain dominance and HD-DVD will be making cashola steadily (but far behind).
  Everybody better prepare to buy yourself a dual player because movies like Transformers and HD-DVD exclusives will NEVER come out on BD. Have a great weekend all.

  15.2.2008 17:13 #38

• imback10x

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  15.2.2008 17:16 #39

• ddp

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  15.2.2008 17:21 #40

• defgod

  I don't understand the *nal nature of these moderators. Why they don't like this one person. Yea maby he broke some rule or something at one time. Hell we all break some kind of rule/Rules in our daily life. No matter how small it is. It is still breaking a rule. Hell I've broken so many rules that it isn't even funny. I do it every day. Whether it be a stupid rule about something even dumber or a law that can cause me to go to jail or pay a large fine. I just believe in following rules that benefit others but not me. Or rules that are there just because someone wants them. Those are the ones I break the most. Yea maby he said some degrading comment to someone or put something in a post that wasn't well liked. But did he really do something so bad that it warrants his expulsion. Well in someones eyes it does. I've been a member for a couple of years now I think. This is only the second post that I've made. But have done a lot of reading.I never seen a post so degrading or vulgar that warranted this but then again. It all depends on the feeling of the "officer" on that day as to if he/she wants to deal with something so small.

  15.2.2008 18:07 #41

• defgod

  I just don't believe in following rules that benefit others but not me.
  sorry forgot a word

  15.2.2008 18:10 #42

• ddp

  defgod, that is your 3rd & 4th post as your 1st 1 is in this link. edit that "a" word out of your 3rd post ASAP. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/626891/3790224

  15.2.2008 18:19 #43

• defgod

  That's exactly what I meant. And I forgot that there was two posts in that other thread. Let me rephrase that. This is only the second thread that I have posted in. What a word are you talking about? The only one I can see is *nal. What is so bad about that. Afraid of offending someone? I also don't know how to edit a post. I understand that this site is seen by millions. But to be afraid of offending one culture while another looks at it as harmless. THAT I believe is one of the biggest problems with this world society as a whole. The fear of offending someone somewhere. Whether it be in your own neighborhood or on some island thousands of miles/kilometers away.

  15.2.2008 18:43 #44

• pensfan12

  Originally posted by 2colors: I don't understand why people have rallied behind BlueRay. HDDVD hardware & movies cost less than BR. Yes I bought into HDDVD about 6 months ago, and don't regret my move. Toshiba has built a superior product compared to BR. Yes we get firmware updates and won't have to replace our players like BR owners will find out. And HDDVD isn't bogged down with DRM. I hope they hang in there and keep their products coming. I have a HD-A20 & a BR/HDDVD combo player in my computer but have yet to buy a BR movie. Toshiba don't jump the ship yet, stand behind your quality product and give us hope you've got the balls to take on Sony.
  Why would they 'hang in there'? I don't understand why HD DVD users keep saying that! There not going to hang in there just to keep a few people happy (whilst losing millions of dollars). just accept defeat already.

  15.2.2008 19:25 #45

• ddp

  defgod, use this to edit that word out or get a temp ban as is your choice.
  http://www.afterdawn.com/news/message_edit.cfm?msg_id=3800937

  15.2.2008 21:31 #46

• UbuntuGuy

  The most telling comment in that article is found in the last paragraph:
  Quote:As Toshiba has been accustomed to say, the high-definition disc sales compared to DVD sales is just a drop in the ocean.
  Where I live, the number of HD channels available on my cable provider has remained unchanged for going on two years now. Debating over which high-def DVD format will win the war is a pointless debate when the number of high-def cable subscribers doesn't warrant an increase in channel selection. I'm not going to spend four figures on a television set for the dubious privelege of seeing 18 more channels out of 300. And if others feel the same way, it doesn't bode well for the HD format itself ... much less a high-def DVD format. Perhaps high-def DVD sales are a "drop in the bucket" for a REASON.

  16.2.2008 02:26 #47

• Ntolerant

  Originally posted by ddp: defgod, that is your 3rd & 4th post as your 1st 1 is in this link. edit that "a" word out of your 3rd post ASAP. " target="_blank">http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump....3790224
  
  
  "Moderator" might be better described as "Goderator". He's aware of every post, all the time..............or 'she'

  18.2.2008 17:07 #48

• Ntolerant

  Originally posted by ddp: defgod, use this to edit that word out or get a temp ban as is your choice.
  " target="_blank">http://www.afterdawn.com/news/message_ed...3800937
  
  
  I've checked and checked and checked for the so-called "a word". What are you talking about and how fair is it that you are being such a edited by ddp to 'defgod' reprimanding him for saying something he didn't say or that you're mistaken about? Now he's gonna get a ban because you've told him to correct a word that he or no one else would have any idea what word you're referring to and why and ....................this just makes no sense.........YOU make no sense and you're coming off as a Nazi. Why don't you just be a big boy and admit you're irrational and barking for no reason because someone voiced an opinion at your irrationality towards another commenter. It's ok........no one will be mad you you for admitting you're wrong.

  18.2.2008 17:16 #49

• howy_2005

  Quote:Originally posted by juankerr: elfman12: Care to point out the "fact problems" in the article?
  Sure, juankerr.
  
  1. Toshiba didn't pay 2.7 mil for a superbowl ad. The ads that ran were existing ads, only ran in a few markets and was well under 1 mil.
  
  2. Best Buy did NOT go BluRay exclusive. They are going to direct customers in BR's direction, but they are not dropping HD-DVD players or discs.
  You're a moron.
  
  1) Yes the ads are existing ads...they had to pay that much to get them ran during the superbowl
  
  2) The article did not say the went BluRay exclusive
  
  
  
  Learn to read gooder and have more common sense you stupid fool.

  19.2.2008 01:36 #50

• ddp

  Ntolerant, why don't you mind your own business as has nothing to do with you. the reason you couldn't find that "a" word was because defgod edited his post. if you had read his post, you would have seen that it has been edited.
  "This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15 February 2008 21:51"
  next time think & look before puting mouth into action or i'll ban you AGAIN.
  
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  on 2nd thought, the heck with it. lightning struck!!!

  19.2.2008 15:00 #51

• goodswipe

  lmao, man that guy just doesn't ever quit does he?
  

  "look honey, it said goodswipe! oh wow, that's amazing."

  19.2.2008 15:05 #52

• ddp

  nope & probably never will

  19.2.2008 15:23 #53

• borhan9

  Toshiba thinking about jumping before the boat sinks :)

  9.4.2008 01:43 #54