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Oasis guitarist blames video games for London knife crimes

Noel Gallagher, songwriter and guitarist for the popular band Oasis is making headlines with his comments suggesting that videogames are partially to blame for the explosion in knife crimes that have occurred in London over the course of the year. So far, 18 teenagers have died in knife related attacks.

"People say it's through violent video games and I guess that's got something to do with it," he said, "If kids are sitting up all night smoking super skunk [cannabis] and they come so desensitised to crime because they're playing these videogames, it's really, really scary."



The knife crimes have been big news in the UK over the last couple of months and celebrities have called upon the government to find a solution.

"In my day, status was trying to be somebody, do you know what I mean, not trying to kill somebody? I was up in Liverpool for a week a couple of weeks ago and even on the news there it's every single night.

"I don't even know what Cameron or Gordon Brown are going to do about it," he added.

In March, the government looked into the impact of violence in videogames on children and released a list of recommendations that included letting the BBFC have a bigger role in game ratings. Publishers have complained however saying that last provision could make games "more expensive or face delays in being released."

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 5 Jul 2008 14:37

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• kikzm33z

  What if this stupid guy makes violence video games be banned in the UK?! I live in the UK! If this guy stops Manhunt2 for the Wii coming out I'm gonna hate him so much.

  5.7.2008 14:58 #1

• Stu_dent

  And yet again dumbass celebs and politicians heap the blame onto video games!
  
  Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of children/gamers having played GTA or Manhunt or whatever havent decided after playing a "game" that it would be a good idea to do it in real life.

  5.7.2008 15:03 #2

• DXR88

  i have an Ak-74, after playing grand theft auto, i hot wired my ma's Buick, and drove of to game stop where i gave them there game back.
  
  why you ask simple, i don't like gta.
  
  manhunt is like point less, well if i need to know how kill somebody with fishing line i could learn from manhunt.

  5.7.2008 15:27 #3

• varnull

  So millionaire Gallagher thinks it's video games.. I knew him when he was just another skint guitarist on the dole living in a council house on a rough estate.
  
  Is he so far removed from his roots that he can't see that it is social deprivation and this culture of hoodies and violence we have inherited from America, and through the media obsession with rap, and it's glamourising of guns, drugs and violence.
  Our inner cities are more like warzones than places where decent people want to live. Alcohol, drugs, poverty, poor housing, no jobs, no law, no hope of anything else ever is what causes this, not video games..
  
  This is the reality of large parts of out inner cities as people with money and jobs move out...
  
  
  

  
  
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  5.7.2008 15:49 #4

• jony218

  The only reason there are more knife attacks in England, is "duh" because guns are outlawed in "England". Has nothing to do with video games. when was the last time anyone played a video game where the object was to "knife" someone to score points? Most "violent" games are "shooters".

  5.7.2008 16:19 #5

• mostopher

  Hardly blaming videogames, more pointing out a reality that some people can't seem to accept, i.e. violent games/movies/music CAN have an affect on people, especially young, impressionable people who also do drugs whilst playing.
  
  Varnull, you made me laugh, condeming him for blaming something you like, before proceeding to blame the media obsession with rap and its glamourising of guns, drugs and violence.

  5.7.2008 16:37 #6

• varnull

  Do you, or have you lived in a UK inner city area? I have, and I know the reality. I left South London after the bombings for a deprived part of the North.. where the knife and hoodie culture is just as rife... These idiots with their knives and hoods ALL listen to rap music, yet most don't seem to have homes to play video games in. That's what I would say judging by how much time they spend hanging about on street corners.
  
  Hey theres a plan.. they like wearing a uniform (stripes and hood) and knife/gun violence so much.. I can think of a good job for them.. Iraq/Afghanistan in a conscript army. Clothed, fed and a nice sunshine holiday with the best bit.. a gun. And why the hell not?? I mean it's taxpayers like me who are housing, feeding and clothing them now and getting nothing in return.
  

  
  
  Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work. Get off my beach before I burn down your village!

  5.7.2008 16:48 #7

• OzMick

  I guess it was the computer games and not the music industry that made your brother Liam a fucking twat too, eh Noel?
  
  From Wikipedia:
  Quote:Public persona
  
  Oasis appeared on the music scene in 1994 and quickly made a public image for themselves. In 2006, it was alleged that Gallagher had a drunken fight with Paul Gascoigne at the Groucho Club which ended with Gallagher setting off a fire extinguisher in Gascoigne's face.[19] At the 1996 BRIT Awards, INXS singer Michael Hutchence presented Oasis with an award, after which Gallagher remarked, "Has-beens shouldn't be presenting awards for gonna-bes".[20]
  
  Gallagher has made known his distaste for many non-Brits' tastes and conventions (particularly those of Australians and Americans). On an early U.S. tour, Gallagher regularly made derisive remarks about Americans, as well as his brother Noel, which led to an ultimatum from the guitarist who briefly left the band in 1994. At different times, addressing their less-than-hysterical reception in the States (especially by comparison to the UK), Gallagher stated, "...Americans have bad taste — hence the Backstreet Boys...they should be shot."[21] and "Americans want grungy people, stabbing themselves in the head on stage. They get a bright bunch like us, with deodorant on, they don't get it."[22]
  
  He has in the past claimed that he was possessed by the spirit of John Lennon, even going so far as to suggest he is Lennon in a re-incarnated form, despite the fact that he was eight years old when the former Beatle was murdered. In March 2006, Gallagher publicly blasted The Rolling Stones and U2, saying "I respect the Stones but their songs are a pile of crap. As for U2, they don't say a lot or seem like normal people."[23]
  
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  5.7.2008 16:58 #8

• mostopher

  I have and do live in a uk inner city area, In fact I live in a council house on a rough estate (apparently.) I will admit that the hoodie "problem" is rife round where we live, as for the knives, I really couldn't say, I have had no problems (for want of a better word) with knives in my life living where I do (although I have been beaten up a couple of times and had kids chucking things and shouting rubbish at me)
  
  For the record, I am an avid gamer, I like violent films (albeit neither more nor less than other types of films) and listen to rap music (not exclusively but still...) These things have influenced me greatly in one way or another over my life, this is my point, videogames DO have some kind of affect on people, no matter how little. This is a point that videogames fanboys don't seem to accept.
  
  However, I really don't think you can blame one single thing for the problems of this world. Be that thing videogames, music, films, familylife or anything else.

  5.7.2008 17:20 #9

• chaos_zzz

  Originally posted by mostopher: I have and do live in a uk inner city area, In fact I live in a council house on a rough estate (apparently.) I will admit that the hoodie "problem" is rife round where we live, as for the knives, I really couldn't say, I have had no problems (for want of a better word) with knives in my life living where I do (although I have been beaten up a couple of times and had kids chucking things and shouting rubbish at me)
  
  For the record, I am an avid gamer, I like violent films (albeit neither more nor less than other types of films) and listen to rap music (not exclusively but still...) These things have influenced me greatly in one way or another over my life, this is my point, videogames DO have some kind of affect on people, no matter how little. This is a point that videogames fanboys don't seem to accept.
  
  However, I really don't think you can blame one single thing for the problems of this world. Be that thing videogames, music, films, familylife or anything else.
  u do hav a point, some stuff from games filter our judgment, but it's probably 1%, what about movies,family issues, corription, lazy police force ... there are tons of reasons, being part of oasis (as good as it was) doesn't give him the right to blame this on videogams

  5.7.2008 19:18 #10

• varnull

  @ mostopher
  I wasn't specifically getting at you, more making you look and think.
  
  You know the problems.. every time you got attacked I bet you were thinking "lucky none of that scum had a knife".
  I carry a huge knife.. 24" of double edged razor sharp steel.. which I have used, and will again on the next idiot who pulls a knife on me.
  
  There is a campaign on TV at the moment about knives (and I do listen to some rap myself.. not much admittedly, but I'm a girl and most of it is offensive to women) What do you think about the current media attention.. will it cut knife carrying among the young, or like the ASBO will it be seen as another "badge of honour"?
  I'm older and come from a world where carrying a gun wasn't that unusual.. I have carried one myself.. replaced with a blade because a caution vs 4 years is a good bet ;) Where are we going? whet do you see as the future for our inner cities.. I see increasing violence and pointlessness until it implodes and the decent people rise and rid the streets of the "vermin" we have created with our misguided empowerment of children and our liberal attitudes to youth. We should have ensured they had something.. Material wealth doesn't work when your parents are smakheads and a meal after school is unknown at home...
  
  I'm a parent.. my daughter was 18 in April, and a chav scumbag banished from the house. I'm not perfect either.. as a parent I'm a failure. Lack of dicipline see.. the law empowerewd children and when a really good slapping was needed all I got was "touch me and I will get the police".. I got a few beatings from my parents, and they were always thoroughly deserved. I resented them at the time, but they made me think before repeating the behaviour.. as an adult I can see the point.. after getting walloped it was over and done with.. punishment was dished out, and to repeat whatever it was would get the same or worse.. It was a deterrent, and I'm sure my parents didn't like using pain and violence to enforce standards.. but sometimes.. just sometimes.. maybe it's better to dish out a damn good thrashing and have done with it than to repeatedly, as a parent lose to an empowered child that is going the wrong way?
  
  That sets the problem firmly in perspective. Now we can discuss the real issues surrounding youth knife crime and the general culture of violence.
  

  
  
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  5.7.2008 19:31 #11

• Mik3h

  Regarding his comment about the super strength cannabis, it's funny that say, in the Netherlands where weed is decriminalized, they must have the most potent strains of weed and hash with the highest THC content, yet crime and violence is at an all time low, and is one of the safest countries in the world.
  
  Video games are most popular in japan, and they seem to have much less crime rates in comparison the UK.
  Go back to your sucky band Noel, you're certainly one for talking about violence and drug misuse.

  5.7.2008 19:44 #12

• varnull

  The UK drug laws certainly don't help. the police have openly stated that they won't prosecute posession of cannabis.. they like the decrimilisation.. it saves them lots of paperwork dealing with people who really aren't a problem. What was that presbeterian scot thinking returning it to class b?.. oh hang about.. Brown is a religious bigot.. there we have it.. bloody Calvinist preacher.. don't do what I do, do what I say God wants you to do because I speak for him!! Return to the witch burnings of the 1600's! He hasn't even been elected.. where democracy now?
  

  
  
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  5.7.2008 19:52 #13

• ZippyDSM

  varnull
  
  Ya but when you look at rap and boil it down it is no worse than rock or classic country with tis boozing and womanizing and complaining about work, its not the fiction that the dispoundant dwell that makes them dispundant.
  
  What perpetuates "violence" jobs? economics? living situations? music? tv? books for christ sake?
  
  I mean really by the time you get to the fiction people consume whatever has done the damage to them to make them violent has already taken place.
  
  About rap I dunno I can stand some of it but no matter the music I go by lyrics first "sound" 2nd if I don't like one it just turns me off, rap tends to be fixated on fronting/fakeness and as I like to say "male whoring".
  
  Manhunt is somewhat enjoyable if you can bear the crappy controls, I don't care for GTA never wanted to be gang banger,gangster or pimp so its not interesting to me.

  5.7.2008 20:27 #14

• Mik3h

  Quote:Manhunt is somewhat enjoyable if you can bear the crappy controls, I don't care for GTA never wanted to be gang banger,gangster or pimp so its not interesting to me.But instead you'd rather be a mindless cold-blooded killer? :P

  5.7.2008 22:03 #15

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Quote:Manhunt is somewhat enjoyable if you can bear the crappy controls, I don't care for GTA never wanted to be gang banger,gangster or pimp so its not interesting to me.But instead you'd rather be a mindless cold-blooded killer? :PCopor ex cop vrs a mega ton of criminals and killers...ya cold booleded killer thats me mate I rape women and eat babies too! *rolls eyes*
  
  :P

  5.7.2008 22:07 #16

• DRokKer

  Quote:I carry a huge knife.. 24" of double edged razor sharp steel.. which I have used, and will again on the next idiot who pulls a knife on me.
  varnul, ever heard the saying live by the sword die by the sword? best leave the machete at home mate.
  as for noels comments, more than likley they are taken out of context.
  hes a Salford boy and gun crime not knife crime have always been the main problem there dating back to the days before violent video games.
  just like his comments about Jay Z playing glastonbury, he says one thing out of line in the heat of the moment and the media repeat it constantly till they can make as many people as passable hate. your hate cant be directed so it wells up inside you.
  Poverty, the media and slack/lazy parenting/education are the root of the problem not games.

  6.7.2008 05:32 #17

• ZippyDSM

  DRokKer
  media=games,tv,flim,music, try news and even the they just repate crap adnausum.

  6.7.2008 08:36 #18

• club42

  LMAO, pot smoking gamers listening to rap going around knifing people. For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to raise the child as her own. Try to do that in a video game.

  6.7.2008 12:24 #19

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by club42: LMAO, pot smoking gamers listening to rap going around knifing people. For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to keep the baby as her own. Try to do that in a video game.
  kick in jamacin voice\
  Is true man, pot makes people light up the atomic bong and munch on anything edible man.
  /voice
  
  Altho kids prefer the uppers to the relaxants.

  6.7.2008 12:28 #20

• mostopher

  Originally posted by club42: For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to raise the child as her own. Try to do that in a video game.I have seen people get very violent after smoking pot. Maybe it's just the particular type or the particular person. As for your second point...Oh, you didn't have one, you just brought in a totally unrelated story for no reason, or am I missing something?
  
  @ varnull:
  As to your first line, no problems mate, I see no attacks on me, just you voicing your opinion.
  
  I actually haven't ever felt scared of being knifed at all, I once worried about being bottled when some lads started on me years ago, And to be honest I have once or twice worried about guns, but not really knives. Maybe it's just that I'm still quite young and naieve?
  
  I really can't believe you carry a knife around, I suppose you'll say it's for protection? Isn't that what all those knife carrying scallys say when asked why they started carrying a knife?
  
  Although it's a different debate, let me just say I am dead against smacking children. In my view, violence, in any kind, is never a good thing to have around children.

  6.7.2008 12:34 #21

• ZippyDSM

  Quote:Originally posted by club42: For some reason I've never seen people get violent after smoking pot and playing video games. Here in the states we just had a lady stab and cut a living full term baby out of another woman's stomach trying to raise the child as her own. Try to do that in a video game.I have seen people get very violent after smoking pot. Maybe it's just the particular type or the particular person. As for your second point...Oh, you didn't have one, you just brought in a totally unrelated story for no reason, or am I missing something?
  
  @ varnull:
  As to your first line, no problems mate, I see no attacks on me, just you voicing your opinion.
  
  I actually haven't ever felt scared of being knifed at all, I once worried about being bottled when some lads started on me years ago, And to be honest I have once or twice worried about guns, but not really knives. Maybe it's just that I'm still quite young and naieve?
  
  I really can't believe you carry a knife around, I suppose you'll say it's for protection? Isn't that what all those knife carrying scallys say when asked why they started carrying a knife?
  
  Although it's a different debate, let me just say I am dead against smacking children. In my view, violence, in any kind, is never a good thing to have around children.
  Ya but if you look whats changed int eh last 20-50 years the mindset you can not hurt" children for them to learn an grow and look what that has got us into, not saying its wrong either way but being reasonably stern and balancing fear and respect is a nack we've lost in numbers over the years.

  6.7.2008 12:38 #22

• mostopher

  Maybe so, I still think that fear of any kind has absolutely no place in the home, I would much rather my kids respected me than feared me.

  6.7.2008 12:41 #23

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by mostopher: Maybe so, I still think that fear of any kind has absolutely no place in the home, I would much rather my kids respected me than feared me.
  and thus why when the bight eye'd bushy tailed mindless 20Xs get out int eh reeal world they fail so hard, fear is part of human nature we need it as a fundamental part of our physice,but not fear as in the darkness that clings and claws at you but the simple fear the fear of things like fire,electricity and sharp objects, fear of parents finding out embarrassing things the shared fears of a parent spanking a child because they almost got them selfs killed or damaged mentally or phyically and them all break down and cry, some things are so subtle you can not write it off for petty moral or political exspedancy, we need to live feel pain and emotion learn love and die we need to grow as a race a people a society.
  
  lil bits of everything make us big bits of anyone thing may break us but in the end we are the clay experience has molded.

  6.7.2008 12:49 #24

• mostopher

  Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
  Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!

  6.7.2008 13:03 #25

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by mostopher: Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
  Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!Not the point its used to jolt reality into a kids life it works for some not so much for others but its a reasonable parenting tool thats been used for thousands of years, kids are going to fear many of things a respectful fear of authority is not going to warp them, if you are skilled(mental fear/mental games) and lucky enough(mostly lucky) you can make do without it but in the end thats up to the parents to decide.

  6.7.2008 13:13 #26

• DXR88

  Originally posted by mostopher: Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
  Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!See Some people just don't learn until you do get violent, there are those you can talk to, and those you cant. ever try to ride a bike remember how many times, you fell of remember the pain of falling of.
  or perhaps its something you cant remember, like your first time trying to walk, your body and mind learn from pain you learned to walk by the pain of falling.

  6.7.2008 14:22 #27

• mostopher

  I would disagree about it being a reasonable parenting tool (to me nothing violent can ever be reasonable) Some people may see it as necessary maybe, but never reasonable. Tell me how is it good to teach a child that it's ok to use violence as long as you believe you're right? The ultimate
  
  You may learn to walk/bike (and a great many other things besides) through pain but I see no connection between that and learning to fear your parents through smacking. I don't remember the feeling of pain from falling off my bike but I do remember the sense of achievment I got when I finally learned how to stay on.
  
  I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Let me just say I'm not saying smacking should be banned nor do I hate people who smack, just that it's not something I agree with or would ever do to my children.

  6.7.2008 15:15 #28

• 7thsinger

  Another outrageous claim by a pampered celebrity...and i use that term loosely.
  
  One would have to provide a pretty intense proof...not (educated?) guessing to sway my stance here; and that is that there is little link between video games and real life violence. To me it's the same argument that watching Looney Tunes might convince someone to think that hitting someone else with an oversized mallet may create little stars and birds around their cross-eyed head.
  

  
  
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  6.7.2008 15:51 #29

• SDF_GR

  Video games are the reason for global warming, for oil crisis, for people dieing in africa cause the dont even have water to drink and more .....(sarcasm)
  
  But what he forgot to "blame" video games for, is that by accusing video games you can become a celebrity instantly and be resurrected from the dead.
  
  As the title says "Oasis guitarist", not "Noel Gallagher", for me that says a lot.

  6.7.2008 16:59 #30

• emugamer

  I say ban those First Person Knifers!

  6.7.2008 22:35 #31

• c1c

  Smoking weed does not cause people to go around knifing people. But it does put you in a dreamland state. There are a ton of people out there that play games and smoke weed all day, and that kind of repetition puts people at risk. as far as Oasis, I love all their music, have seen them several times, and can't wait for their new album coming up soon. the leaked tracks are great.
  
  It seems that all the popular games out there are first person shooters. I have this idea that we are just training the youth to become future soldiers.

  7.7.2008 11:53 #32

• DXR88

  Originally posted by c1c: Smoking weed does not cause people to go around knifing people. But it does put you in a dreamland state. There are a ton of people out there that play games and smoke weed all day, and that kind of repetition puts people at risk. as far as Oasis, I love all their music, have seen them several times, and can't wait for their new album coming up soon. the leaked tracks are great.
  
  It seems that all the popular games out there are first person shooters. I have this idea that we are just training the youth to become future soldiers.yeah you never know when those alien are going to attack,and when i join the army i better have a crosshair on my screen, when i use my iron sight im going to put the gun on my chest that way i can look strait down them. if you play a game thinking it will prepare you for combat situation i feel sorry for you, just like Gene Simmons a couple of weeks ago this guy just wants to rally up the ant hill.

  7.7.2008 12:22 #33

• Gnawnivek

  Oh for the love of god, what the world is coming to... First off, sorry to hear about the knife incidents in UK, really sorry. Secondly, what the heck with those knives? Knives are for cooking really, so why the hell people carrying a kitchen tool with them, i would never know... You can argue knives are for hunting too, but face it, it's still really related to cooking. Lastly, no, video games don't make people start carrying knives and stab/slash people. You know what make them do that? The rage virus... I'm very interested to see what will happen in 28 months later. There's probably nothing to see 28 years later, since video game kills everything in this world by then, lol.

  7.7.2008 13:04 #34

• xempler

  Here is my theory to the explosion of knife crimes:
  
  Stupidity
  
  People who commit these knife crimes are stupid beyond belief. Mix in drugs and their stupidity level goes through the roof.
  
  Lots of people play video games, violent or otherwise, but they're not stupid or crazy enough to run around knifing people.
  
  I say throw them all into the deepest hole, they provide absolutely no value in society.

  7.7.2008 15:17 #35

• ikari

  Originally posted by mostopher: Ok, I'm confused, of course kids need to be taught to fear dangerous things. When I said fear has no place in the home I was refering to smacking.
  Children should be a blessing not a burden, I was brought up in a loving family without being smacked. I don't consider myself a failure, I have two brilliant boys and a wonderful fiancee, I have a good job and was never under the impression that I would get that any other way than hard work. I also was never under the impression that the world was a walt disney cartoon. I failed many times and each time got back up. I'm still young and have been through quite a lot and still have quite a lot of living and learning to go through. You can teach kids life lessons without resorting to violence, I'm proof of that if nothing else!My parents spanked me when I did something wrong. They love me a lot. There is nothing wrong with it as long as it is not abuse. It is a fine line but it is there.
  
  Also, remember that just because we have reason and logic, it does not mean that we animalistic instincts either. That being said, pain when used correctly is a good teacher.
  
  Example: you tell a child something is hot when they try to touch it. Depending on the age they might leave it alone, they might not. I guarantee you, that if they touch it after you say, "it is hot don't touch it", they aren't going to again.
  

  These opinions are not meant to start a stupid fanboy fight or any kind of fight for that matter.

  7.7.2008 18:00 #36

• G_Hubcap

  There may be some minor relevance to Noel's statement;
  If you have the mentality to toke the "Super"Skunk and go around stabbing people you are a deranged twisted being. OK the only relevance I'll give it is that it shows the difference between violence in Europe -vs- USA... Here in the US we smoke crack and cap fools... Blame it on the games, music, books, distractions, etc. When is the responsibility going to fall on the parents or the corrupt political/judicial system?

  9.7.2008 17:01 #37

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by G_Hubcap: There may be some minor relevance to Noel's statement;
  If you have the mentality to toke the "Super"Skunk and go around stabbing people you are a deranged twisted being. OK the only relevance I'll give it is that it shows the difference between violence in Europe -vs- USA... Here in the US we smoke crack and cap fools... Blame it on the games, music, books, distractions, etc. When is the responsibility going to fall on the parents or the corrupt political/judicial system?
  corrupt political/judicial system is one fassect of it having wild immature people as part o the populace running around thinking they stuck in repetitive cycles is another, jobs and EDU is a main factor if we ahda system that could provide jobs and schooling to everyone to keep them busy and somewhat satisfied with life, they would not fall into these sub cultures of hate and sorrow.

  9.7.2008 17:06 #38

• FredBun

  thank god you guys dont have to deal with a huge gun problem like us in the states, killing is killing no matter how, but I's rather have your problem than ours if I had to choose.

  14.7.2008 09:36 #39