I knew I new it yes i did i could smell this coming five miles away. They didn't have to lie about it though.
Well Nintendo are you up it will you be next huh? $199 wii ? Hmmm guess not those wii's are still blazing of store shelves.
16.7.2008 13:29 #1
From what I read, the new 80GB will basically be the 40GB with a bigger hard drive. It still won't include B/C, the 2 USB ports and Memory Card readers.
16.7.2008 14:09 #2
sony has been working on a "full" BWC firmware for the 40/80, but I would not buy it just yet.
16.7.2008 14:16 #3
See here:
http://www.qj.net/E3-2008-Sony-announces...g/49/aid/122201
I got my MGS 80GB Bundle for $500. Any price drop won't affect me since I know I got DS3 and 2 free games with mine.
16.7.2008 14:25 #4
this means the 80GB unit is now 299 right?
16.7.2008 14:34 #5
No it will be $399 like the 40 gig is now. I'm so happy that I bought the 60 gig unit when I did.
16.7.2008 14:37 #6
er... try $399.99
Does anyone know when the next version of the PS3 with B/C, new wifi/bluetooth/mobo is coming out?
I don't know if I should get the MGS4 bundle now, or wait...
16.7.2008 14:38 #7
Originally posted by ooZEROoo: No it will be $399 like the 40 gig is now. I'm so happy that I bought the 60 gig unit when I did.
.......sukors........
16.7.2008 14:40 #8
Originally posted by Katadare: er... try $399.99
Does anyone know when the next version of the PS3 with B/C, new wifi/bluetooth/mobo is coming out?
I don't know if I should get the MGS4 bundle now, or wait...
sony should have never went with 2 models to stat with ><
if they are phazing out the 40GB unit then drop it to 299 to get rid of it! it would be a boon for software and BR sales its all win win !
16.7.2008 14:45 #9
With the current sales they're experience B/C of MGS4 i really doubt that they'll have a "clearance" of 40gb SKUs like last year's 20gb sell out
16.7.2008 15:07 #10
like a price cut will make a difference.....ps3 was a terrible market idea...way too expensive. If they wanted to sell more, they should have lowered therre initial price.
16.7.2008 15:56 #11
before
40 gigs... no ps1/ps2 compatability.. 399
after
80 gigs... ps1/ps2 support... memory card slots... 4 F.ubs 399
possibly a movie or game.. and maybe duelshock 3 =] sounds fair
40 gig will be cheaper on auction sites. =]
16.7.2008 16:03 #12
Ya its a price maneuver...sony should go right into a price war with MS I mean come on they lost FF13 do they want to lose other titles to?
they need to do a strict 299/399 price setup and leave it for the next 3ish years.
16.7.2008 16:07 #13
Originally posted by ZippyDSM: Ya its a price maneuver...sony should go right into a price war with MS I mean come on they lost FF13 do they want to lose other titles to?
they need to do a strict 299/399 price setup and leave it for the next 3ish years.I read FF13 was going to Xbox, but its still going to be on the PS3 right?
16.7.2008 16:35 #14
Originally posted by lxfactor: before
40 gigs... no ps1/ps2 compatability.. 399
after
80 gigs... ps1/ps2 support... memory card slots... 4 F.ubs 399
possibly a movie or game.. and maybe duelshock 3 =] sounds fair
40 gig will be cheaper on auction sites. =]Isn't BWC a software issue anyway that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade? And the 80GB version will not have 4 USB ports and lose the memory card readers? Someone confirm please. There seems to be some confusion among the previous posts.
If the above is correct, then a $100 decrease for just a larger HDD doesn't really matter. You can get a 320GB HDD for $120.
16.7.2008 16:40 #15
Quote:Isn't BWC a software issue anyway that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade? And the 80GB version will not have 4 USB ports and lose the memory card readers? Someone confirm please. There seems to be some confusion among the previous posts.
If the above is correct, then a $100 decrease for just a larger HDD doesn't really matter. You can get a 320GB HDD for $120.Well BWC was really done by hardware in the ps3 cause is had a built in emotion engine that ran ps2 games but that caused the production costs to be a bit too high. So now they're trying to get it done with software but it's giving them a bit of a fight (maybe they should higher some hackers since they done seem to fully understand there own hardware)
@strife10 yes FFX "triple" is still gonna be out for ps3 as a matter of fact ps3 still has the edge because the Japanese version is still ps3 exclusive
16.7.2008 17:11 #16
This is more that it seems IMO.
What i see here is that new cheap Blu-ray players will be released really soon and if Sony wants to continue selling PS3's as BD players too is forced to cut the prices and that >>Quote:"attract millions of PlayStation 2 users who are on the cusp of upgrading." is BS.
Also have in mind that PS3+BD has accomplished so far what game devs want, an "uncrackable" console/media to release games and that IMO will play a really great role for more PS3 exclusive games.
That equals to more profit for everyone that means they can afford to cut the PS3 price like they did.
Nevertheless 400$ for the 80gb ver will boost PS3 to the top, maybe before the end of 2008.
All that is left is to bring the damn thing (80gb ver) to europe finally.
16.7.2008 19:07 #17
Originally posted by pwhite23: like a price cut will make a difference.....ps3 was a terrible market idea...way too expensive. If they wanted to sell more, they should have lowered therre initial price.Ummm...they were taking a loss on each console when they first hit the market. Blu-Ray was expensives...
16.7.2008 19:17 #18
Quote:Quote:Isn't BWC a software issue anyway that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade? And the 80GB version will not have 4 USB ports and lose the memory card readers? Someone confirm please. There seems to be some confusion among the previous posts.
If the above is correct, then a $100 decrease for just a larger HDD doesn't really matter. You can get a 320GB HDD for $120.Well BWC was really done by hardware in the ps3 cause is had a built in emotion engine that ran ps2 games but that caused the production costs to be a bit too high. So now they're trying to get it done with software but it's giving them a bit of a fight (maybe they should higher some hackers since they done seem to fully understand there own hardware)
@strife10 yes FFX "triple" is still gonna be out for ps3 as a matter of fact ps3 still has the edge because the Japanese version is still ps3 exclusiveThey need to buy out the creators of pcsx2 and piggyback off the emulation work done so far. How can a hacker know more about a console than the manufacturer. It's probably the fact that they are trying to make sure that any emulation feature they provide is 100% uncrackable.
16.7.2008 19:38 #19
Originally posted by emugamer: They need to buy out the creators of pcsx2 and piggyback off the emulation work done so far. How can a hacker know more about a console than the manufacturer. It's probably the fact that they are trying to make sure that any emulation feature they provide is 100% uncrackable.
Hackers don't have limitations creators does....There a big difference there.
16.7.2008 20:51 #20
And will there he a price cut for Christmas ?
16.7.2008 21:03 #21
For all of you that think the new 80GB will include backwards compatibility, it won't. See the link I posted above.
Originally posted by Jack Tretton, Sony REP: 80GB PS3 "Core Pack" that'll sell for US$ 399.99. As Jack Tretton put it, it would have "the same functionality of the 40GB... with twice the storage."
16.7.2008 21:38 #22
Originally posted by pwhite23: like a price cut will make a difference.....ps3 was a terrible market idea...way too expensive. If they wanted to sell more, they should have lowered therre initial price.Why are there still people saying the ps3 wa way too expensive when it came out. Are you people crazy. When the ps3 came out it was the top of the line enterteinment system and still is. Come on now why would you rather buy everything seperate like you have to do with the 360 instead of getting the entire package.
List of things ps3 has right of the bat that others don't:
.rechargeable batteries
.blueray player/dvd upscaler
.wireless internet (wii has it too)
and theres also new things like watching movies of from ps3 harddrive with the psp amazing. Let's also not forget about reliable systems (wii has those too).
I'm not a sony fan boy by the way i own the wii,ps3 and 360. I have about 20 games on my 360 and exactly 4 for my ps3 and about 15 for the wii. Love all games not systems but its obvious that the ps3 is superior even to any nintendo or microsoft fanboys
16.7.2008 21:39 #23
Originally posted by embo22000: Originally posted by pwhite23: like a price cut will make a difference.....ps3 was a terrible market idea...way too expensive. If they wanted to sell more, they should have lowered therre initial price.Why are there still people saying the ps3 wa way too expensive when it came out. Are you people crazy. When the ps3 came out it was the top of the line enterteinment system and still is. Come on now why would you rather buy everything seperate like you have to do with the 360 instead of getting the entire package.
List of things ps3 has right of the bat that others don't:
.rechargeable batteries
.blueray player/dvd upscaler
.wireless internet (wii has it too)
and theres also new things like watching movies of from ps3 harddrive with the psp amazing. Let's also not forget about reliable systems (wii has those too).
I'm not a sony fan boy by the way i own the wii,ps3 and 360. I have about 20 games on my 360 and exactly 4 for my ps3 and about 15 for the wii. Love all games not systems but its obvious that the ps3 is superior even to any nintendo or microsoft fanboys
Like the man says................
16.7.2008 21:45 #24
Just as embo22000 pointed out, The system IS expensive for just a gaming system but its much more than that! Its a home server! It includes the most powerful processor available to a consumer, A web browser, Linux capabilities, Blu-Ray, Integrated HDMI, Ability to run 1000s of games, including PS2 games for some. This thing if you think about it, can replace a home computer! Just because Sony has a different marketing strategy, don't hate them. To everyone that has it, Your set for a while, You'll be loving your PS3 when 360 owners are going to have to fork up another $300+ for another system to be able to play the newest games. When people say its too expensive, I always bring this up.
360 60GB - $350
Wireless Adapter $100
Component Cables in the box
No Games Included - $60 (since PS3 has a game)
Secondary Downloadable Game $10
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$520
PS3 80GB (With B/C) - $500
Wireless Built in - $0
Component Cables - $25
Metal Gear Solid 4 - $0
PAIN Game - $0
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$525
So people are bitching about 5 bucks I guess?
The entire senerio with the 80GB PS3 w/o B/c makes the PS3 cheaper. It plays more older games (all PS1) then the 360 (Few Xbox 1 games)
16.7.2008 21:47 #25
Originally posted by strife10: I read FF13 was going to Xbox, but its still going to be on the PS3 right?Maybe eventually, because all the E3 trailer said was "Available on XBox 360 at launch in North America and Europe".
Basically, it looks like a similar situation to RB2. Since they haven't said FF XIII is an XBox 360 exclusive, its probably a timed-exclusive and will come out on the PS3 at a later date.
However, I admit I am speculating its PS3 release based on information I've gathered saying "Available at launch on the 360" aka "Timed-exclusive".
Peace
16.7.2008 22:19 #26
But what about a sale for Christmas ?
16.7.2008 22:42 #27
Originally posted by Pop_Smith: Originally posted by strife10: I read FF13 was going to Xbox, but its still going to be on the PS3 right?Maybe eventually, because all the E3 trailer said was "Available on XBox 360 at launch in North America and Europe".
Basically, it looks like a similar situation to RB2. Since they haven't said FF XIII is an XBox 360 exclusive, its probably a timed-exclusive and will come out on the PS3 at a later date.
However, I admit I am speculating its PS3 release based on information I've gathered saying "Available at launch on the 360" aka "Timed-exclusive".
Peace
Totally incorrect speculation. This is what has come out of E3 ~
It will be out in Japan as a PS3 100% Exclusive first, then out in the US as a PS3 Timed Exclusive (probably) while being ported over to the 360. The PS3 is and has been the lead platform.
Which is good for Squenix as the results will (hopefully) be unhindered for both consoles other than multi discs for the 360 which isn't really a big deal....but then again certain MS types always said installs where "bad" and now that the 360 will have installs how is it now?
I actually think this can be a good thing for Sony but ONLY in the porting department/area as the quality of this game as well as the process of it being developed for the PS3 first will show that
a) it is more cost effective to build on PS3 first
b) the quality of the title will not be compromised as it would be if done the standard way (360 DVD then PS3 BD)
16.7.2008 22:44 #28
Originally posted by Oner: Originally posted by Pop_Smith: Originally posted by strife10: I read FF13 was going to Xbox, but its still going to be on the PS3 right?Maybe eventually, because all the E3 trailer said was "Available on XBox 360 at launch in North America and Europe".
Basically, it looks like a similar situation to RB2. Since they haven't said FF XIII is an XBox 360 exclusive, its probably a timed-exclusive and will come out on the PS3 at a later date.
However, I admit I am speculating its PS3 release based on information I've gathered saying "Available at launch on the 360" aka "Timed-exclusive".
Peace
Watch games ported from the PS3 to the 360 be a 4 DVD game or something, lol.
Totally incorrect speculation. This is what has come out of E3 ~
It will be out in Japan as a PS3 100% Exclusive first, then out in the US as a PS3 Timed Exclusive (probably) while being ported over to the 360. The PS3 is and has been the lead platform.
Which is good for Squenix as the results will (hopefully) be unhindered for both consoles other than multi discs for the 360 which isn't really a big deal....but then again certain MS types always said installs where "bad" and now that the 360 will have installs how is it now?
I actually think this can be a good thing for Sony but ONLY in the porting department/area as the quality of this game as well as the process of it being developed for the PS3 first will show that
a) it is more cost effective to build on PS3 first
b) the quality of the title will not be compromised as it would be if done the standard way (360 DVD then PS3 BD)
16.7.2008 23:12 #29
i really don't call this a price cut 200.00 for a ps3 yes 400.00 for a ps3 no sony is already in th red this is going to just push them in the wrong direction again.
17.7.2008 00:06 #30
you know what gets me the most about reading some of the comments on here is that...
i dont even think 60 of the gamers that purchase a PS3 plan on using it to play ancient ps2 and ps1 games.
i sure as heck didn't buy my 360 with the intent of playing old games or games still being made for old xbox.
its a low number and thats prolly why PS3 aren't all BWC. seriously if u wanna play PS2. get one. they are so cheap i think getting an OIL change at Goodyear costs more than a PS2 lol
i dont know about some of you. but i can't stand playing last generation games so im that 40% or so that doesn't give a crap about older games. with eye candy games like GTA4 and MGS4 playing old stuff even for nostalgia is enough to give me a migrane lol
the DoomLight has Spoken!
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17.7.2008 00:21 #31
lol while doing this pricecut sony ripped of all those people (not that there were much) that bought the 40gb model LOL nice one sony
17.7.2008 04:03 #32
Originally posted by blueroad: lol while doing this pricecut sony ripped of all those people (not that there were much) that bought the 40gb model LOL nice one sonyIf core2kid is correct and the new model is the same as the 40GB model, with just a larger HDD, then how were people ripped off? $100 off for double the HDD space? It's an ok deal. But you can buy a 320GB HDD to stick in there (4x the size of the 80GB) for only $120. So in the end you can either have an 40GB/80GB PS3 for $400, or a 320GB PS3 for $520. So if you planned on upgrading anyway, it really doesn't matter. It really depends on why you want the HDD space. I haven't personally needed more than 13GB yet.
17.7.2008 08:00 #33
More proof that the new 80GB won't include B/c.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3
Scroll down to the table.
17.7.2008 10:41 #34
there realy should just be two lines of ps3's
40 gig core pack (console controler composite cable)eur 299
80 gig elite (hdmi cable 2 controlers 1 game)eur 399
and americans have it sweet compair the price of the ps3 over there to here especialy ireland
400eur for ps3 and 2 sixaxis controlers no game
that is 633.88 dolars we are riped of what are sony thinking
17.7.2008 10:59 #35
Everyone that just bought the 40GB and can still return it, DO! Wait for the 80GB to come out, You'll have a bigger HD and possibly DS3 with your system.
17.7.2008 11:05 #36
XBox 360 still comes out WAYYYY on top with better shading and lighting on their games, same graphics, more games, better controllers and cheaper BY A LONG SHOT, price.
I've got much respect for PS3 but it can basically drop dead. Those who invest in that system just because of the name are in for a serious wakeup when they see any and all game comparisons to the XBox.
17.7.2008 11:41 #37
(lynchGOP)
the 360s fail rate and very short garrentee period is so bad and plus what you said brings to question is the 360 going to start holding the ps3 back with it 9 gig disk space compaired to the 50 on bd and the ps3s processer is far from full speed as of yet they have to figure out how to use the remainder of the 8 cells in the processer you might be suprised id keep quiet for a while and see how the 360 is next year ...........
ps im not a ps3fanboy just a games fanboy
17.7.2008 11:57 #38
Originally posted by lynchGOP: XBox 360 still comes out WAYYYY on top with better shading and lighting on their games, same graphics, more games, better controllers and cheaper BY A LONG SHOT, price.
I've got much respect for PS3 but it can basically drop dead. Those who invest in that system just because of the name are in for a serious wakeup when they see any and all game comparisons to the XBox.
Set your RBG color level to Full and then see the difference.
17.7.2008 13:18 #39
the ps3 will out do the x box in therms of game content and extras regardless of graphics it inevitable ps3 has the better optical disc space the ps3 is future prof i said this elsewhere the xbox needs to upgrade the dvd drive to hd dvd and use two discs on there games that will give the total optical space of 60 gigs if you use dual layer
17.7.2008 14:22 #40
I doubt a new Xbox will attempt to bring HD DVD out from the dead and use it again.
17.7.2008 14:27 #41
then they would have to introduce a blue ray dvd tray into there range and admit defeat it the only way to stay "coherant" with the games developers like the xbox is a great itegration of online play and centralisation of this feature with xbolive and live market place all it need is an overhaul of the optical disc tray and a revamp of the cooling system and ms will have a very competitive console
17.7.2008 15:04 #42
Originally posted by fergus100: then they would have to introduce a blue ray dvd tray into there range and admit defeat it the only way to stay "coherant" with the games developers like the xbox is a great itegration of online play and centralisation of this feature with xbolive and live market place all it need is an overhaul of the optical disc tray and a revamp of the cooling system and ms will have a very competitive consoleAdmit defeat to what? And you really think Sony will give MS what they need to be a really competetive console? They would give MS the right to use blu ray at a very high cost. A cost that may not even be worth it to MS.
And forget cooling. MS needs better hardware all-around, period. The PS3 is a freakin space heater...you can fry an egg on that George Foreman Grill. You don't see a high failure rate though. The expression "if you can't take the heat, stay out of the console business" comes to mind.
17.7.2008 15:29 #43
Quote:Originally posted by fergus100: then they would have to introduce a blue ray dvd tray into there range and admit defeat it the only way to stay "coherant" with the games developers like the xbox is a great itegration of online play and centralisation of this feature with xbolive and live market place all it need is an overhaul of the optical disc tray and a revamp of the cooling system and ms will have a very competitive consoleAdmit defeat to what? And you really think Sony will give MS what they need to be a really competetive console? They would give MS the right to use blu ray at a very high cost. A cost that may not even be worth it to MS.
And forget cooling. MS needs better hardware all-around, period. The PS3 is a freakin space heater...you can fry an egg on that George Foreman Grill. You don't see a high failure rate though. The expression "if you can't take the heat, stay out of the console business" comes to mind.
I think the 360's a better grill. No modifications needed.
Now all those RROD consoles would go back to use ;)
17.7.2008 16:33 #44
Quote:Originally posted by fergus100: then they would have to introduce a blue ray dvd tray into there range and admit defeat it the only way to stay "coherant" with the games developers like the xbox is a great itegration of online play and centralisation of this feature with xbolive and live market place all it need is an overhaul of the optical disc tray and a revamp of the cooling system and ms will have a very competitive consoleAdmit defeat to what? And you really think Sony will give MS what they need to be a really competetive console? They would give MS the right to use blu ray at a very high cost. A cost that may not even be worth it to MS.
And forget cooling. MS needs better hardware all-around, period. The PS3 is a freakin space heater...you can fry an egg on that George Foreman Grill. You don't see a high failure rate though. The expression "if you can't take the heat, stay out of the console business" comes to mind.well then its back to the good old hd dvd idea they will have to resurect the hd for gamings sake never mind movies ms needs it to compete with sony on a long therm basis or develop a better console lets hope the 720 is comming along nicely
competition is good for the consummer it drives down costs i want sony and ms doing well so we benifet with cheeper games and more inovations online to keep use buying games it will also inprove the quality of games being produced
IRISH AND PROUD
17.7.2008 16:45 #45
When will we see these out? so this probably has no bearing on the mgs bundle does it?
17.7.2008 17:12 #46
Ugh, great. Now I have decided on a PS3 or a 360, purely on price. I was only reluctant on a PS3 because of the price of the 80gb model.
17.7.2008 17:27 #47
Originally posted by ABMone: When will we see these out? so this probably has no bearing on the mgs bundle does it?the mgs bundle will come down accordingly i presume unless you are in about the limeted edition gun metal ps3 and mgs4 game pack you will pay well above the odds for that sucker i saw one on ebay for over a 1000 euro witch is about 1450 dolars at the moment
17.7.2008 18:31 #48
YOUR NOT GETTING BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH THIS MODEL!
Check online on sites. Wiki, QJ,net, everything. This is the only site saying that the new 80GB will be B/C which its not! The B/C 80GB will still be $499! Sony DID NOT cut the price of the model, they stuck with their promise, they just upgraded the HD in the 40GB to an 80GB.
18.7.2008 01:48 #49
yes but its more value for your money at the end of the day
and the 80 gig is out in ireland soon yeah i waited till the right time i think this is it !!!!!!!!!!!!
18.7.2008 07:10 #50
Originally posted by core2kid: YOUR NOT GETTING BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH THIS MODEL!
Check online on sites. Wiki, QJ,net, everything. This is the only site saying that the new 80GB will be B/C which its not! The B/C 80GB will still be $499! Sony DID NOT cut the price of the model, they stuck with their promise, they just upgraded the HD in the 40GB to an 80GB.
Your right the new 80 does not have BWC.Not only are you going to have 40GB of more space for that price but your going to have a Dual shock 3 controller that comes with it also.Sony is giving you more value for your money.
18.7.2008 09:54 #51
lol, so sony are selling this unit as "new and great" with a price reduction but in reality its a publicity stunt to drum up sales with a console with less functionality, no backwards compatibility.
you all know that as time moves on the smaller hard drives cost more to purchase as they are "old" technology and seems 250 to 500gig is now the norm 80gig is very stingy seems these drives cost about £20.
sony are like a magician doing slight of hand tricks, look at this big wow while we trick you over here!
19.7.2008 11:43 #52
the reason for this is because Sony introduced the video store so to encourage people to use it, they are putting in a bigger hard drive. And since the hard drives probably cost the same or close to it, it means nothing to them manufacturing wise and more money to them by encouraging people to download movies.
19.7.2008 16:33 #53
Originally posted by wetsparks: the reason for this is because Sony introduced the video store so to encourage people to use it, they are putting in a bigger hard drive. And since the hard drives probably cost the same or close to it, it means nothing to them manufacturing wise and more money to them by encouraging people to download movies.
Never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense. It probably costs less to make a 80GB than a 40GB.
19.7.2008 18:10 #54
Originally posted by core2kid:
Never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense. It probably costs less to make a 80GB than a 40GB.it will no doubt cost the same if not less to source the 80gig drives, as 40gig drives are now a waste of time and production of this old technology will be diminishing fast in favour of current technology usage 500 or 250gig drives.
as i stated in my last post its a big illusion. as they are removing the core function of backwards compatibility and covering it up with a small increase in hard drive space.
20.7.2008 04:47 #55
Probably also why Microsoft dropped the 20GB Hard Drives.
20.7.2008 05:06 #56
