PlayStation 2 still the most played console

PlayStation 2 still the most played console
According to year-end figures provided by Nielsen, it appears that the Sony PlayStation 2 remains the most played video game console, by far. In fact, in terms of "overall usage minutes", the PS2 accounted for just under 32 percent of the total.

Following in the list was the Microsoft Xbox 360 at 17.2 percent and the Nintendo Wii at 13.4 percent. The PlayStation 3 improved to 7.3 percent but somewhat surprisingly, lost to the original Xbox, which managed 9.7 percent of the total.



The PS2's lead diminished significantly from 2007's 42 percent of the total, but understandably so considering Sony has moved all their efforts to the next-gen PS3.

Year-on-year, the PS3 jumped from 2.5 percent to 7.3 percent of the total, the Wii jumped from 5.5 percent to 13.4 percent of the total, and the 360 jumped from 12 percent to 17 percent, all at the expense of the aging set of the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube.

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 3 Jan 2009 20:33
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  • pollution

    I have ps2 and my friend just gave me his broken xbox that i fixed so now i can learn to play halo. I helped the ps2 win this :).

    3.1.2009 20:38 #1

  • Leningrad

    sony expects everyone to go after the ps3 rather than ps2, though indeed the latter has stood the test of time. incredible, and they are still selling it.

    3.1.2009 20:45 #2

  • wolf123

    The thing is in 2000 when ps2 came out. I wanted this so bad that I aid too my self this is why I need a job too get this.

    I bought at least 5 ps2 in the last 8 years all went too pawnshops one went too my brother then the one I have now.


    Ps1 burned out the lens 3x playing too much.

    Just really want too know where they get statistics like that

    Also bought ps1 off Ebay before my current ps2.

    Still have both but play ps2 more since I found out I don't have too mod it too play ps1 games. Also don't need swap magic all you need is a ps1 original game and a burnt game and you can play it.

    Another thing is I will never buy a new smaller version of the ps2 because one reason my brother got one a few years back and we played the crap out of it so much stopped playing games also my brother got sick of it and threw it across against the wall.

    They are cheaply made and really badf on lifespan.


    If you really want too know they need real people too test out there products in real invironment with kids pets inlaws and just living too see if stuff can stand up.


    If they would do this in the development stage I think the game systems would be better and if they would do this with other stuff too then we would have quality stuff that would be worth 400 dollars and not something that would get the RROD after 1 year.

    I am sorry I went on

    3.1.2009 23:05 #3

  • dikdimond

    He got the info from Nielsen Ratings,hence the post...it's a survey of how many hrs you watch this,play that game system,this dvd,watch this tv show,etc.

    Amazing that a console no longer being made beat out the PS3! Way to go Xbox,although it remains to be seen how accurate these ratings really are.

    4.1.2009 01:43 #4

  • wolf123

    Originally posted by dikdimond: He got the info from Nielsen Ratings,hence the post...it's a survey of how many hrs you watch this,play that game system,this dvd,watch this tv show,etc.

    Amazing that a console no longer being made beat out the PS3! Way to go Xbox,although it remains to be seen how accurate these ratings really are.    what are yo saying

    4.1.2009 01:57 #5

  • dikdimond

    Saying about what? Nielsen ratings? Link [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_Ratings][/url]

    Original xbox? Hasn't been in production for what,2 yrs?

    4.1.2009 02:01 #6

  • chubbyInc

    Hmmm how does Nielson know how long I play my systems?
    Do they also determine this by systems sold?

    I think that questionnaires that ask x number of people are pretty bad guesses.

    My PS2 is just a dust collector. My original Xbox games which most I can play in 360 still look better than PS2 but are inferior to the next Gen games. I can't believe Gamecube is even on the list, bought it used for Mario Kart Double Dash. Wii I bought mainly for Mario Kart & Galaxy now it's been almost forgotten. PS3 I've only been using as a DVD and Blu-ray player. Stopped buying games for it, bought Xbox live so all my recent game purchases have been on 360.

    I still don't know why people would bother buying PS2 anymore or playing it for that matter. You'd think Wii would be on top of the list considering the wide audience it has reached.
    I don't think PS2 has stood the test of time, my first one got read disc error and my second one the DVD tray got stuck. Older systems like Atari2600 have stood the test of time still works perfectly fine or me and the systems about 30 years old.

    4.1.2009 04:19 #7

  • Ragnarok8

    Between my PS2, DS and PC, my PS2 got the most attention over the Christmas holidays. I sunk 60+ hours into Persona 4 and replayed some older psx games.

    4.1.2009 05:23 #8

  • varnull

    Yeah.. I don't believe any numbers that are pure guesswork like this.. and that's what these are.. pure guesswork.

    My old ps1 got dusted off over xmas.. just to play the crazy old games with some friends. Chefs Love Shack and Hogs of War.. they don't make them like that any more...

    Never had a ps2.. unreliable garbage from my experience of them.. over 100 in a heap out back "uneconomic" to repair.



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    4.1.2009 05:30 #9

  • dsgtrain

    Hogs of War, those were the days. I personally have never had a problem with my PS2 and I still continue to use it to this day although only because the PS3's backwards compatibility is non existent. *Pulls Hogs of War from a dusty drawer*

    4.1.2009 05:46 #10

  • Globe08

    Originally posted by varnull: Yeah.. I don't believe any numbers that are pure guesswork like this.. and that's what these are.. pure guesswork.

    My old ps1 got dusted off over xmas.. just to play the crazy old games with some friends. Chefs Love Shack and Hogs of War.. they don't make them like that any more...

    Never had a ps2.. unreliable garbage from my experience of them.. over 100 in a heap out back "uneconomic" to repair.    Yeh i definently second that, ps2 was not a reliable console. It was great for gaming if they didnt start with the disc read error but that happened 4 times.

    4.1.2009 08:46 #11

  • wolf123

    Originally posted by dikdimond: He got the info from Nielsen Ratings,hence the post...it's a survey of how many hrs you watch this,play that game system,this dvd,watch this tv show,etc.

    Amazing that a console no longer being made beat out the PS3! Way to go Xbox,although it remains to be seen how accurate these ratings really are.    Is the xbox 360 bwc with xbox.

    4.1.2009 13:20 #12

  • redux79

    I'm on my 3rd ps2, bought it nov. 2007. My first fat ps2 lasted about 3 years and finally crapped out, my v12 had the laser voltage overload problem after about 2 years, and the most recent one is a scph-79000X (v16 I think). The slim line ps2's do seem flimsy compared to the original but I just couldn't bring myself to buy one used.

    I finally picked up a 360 last month and have to say that I'm hooked. The ps2 is packed away but I think at some point I'll break it out to play all of those classic psx/ps2 games. I actually bought a couple of ps2 games just before I got my 360. It's good to know that for whatever reason I have a ps2 with a massive library of games to fall back on.

    4.1.2009 13:23 #13

  • wolf123

    Originally posted by redux79: I'm on my 3rd ps2, bought it nov. 2007. My first fat ps2 lasted about 3 years and finally crapped out, my v12 had the laser voltage overload problem after about 2 years, and the most recent one is a scph-79000X (v16 I think). The slim line ps2's do seem flimsy compared to the original but I just couldn't bring myself to buy one used.

    I finally picked up a 360 last month and have to say that I'm hooked. The ps2 is packed away but I think at some point I'll break it out to play all of those classic psx/ps2 games. I actually bought a couple of ps2 games just before I got my 360. It's good to know that for whatever reason I have a ps2 with a massive library of games to fall back on.
    Im glad for you but can the 360 play xbox games.

    4.1.2009 13:25 #14

  • redux79

    Yes the 360 can play about 300 xbox orgional games however a number of them suffer from glitches and minor problems, Just check out the b/c list at xbox.com.

    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backward...tygameslist.htm

    4.1.2009 13:33 #15

  • wolf123

    thank you

    4.1.2009 13:39 #16

  • DXR88

    Offtopic=

    BC on Xbox360 is Software oriented and is about 90% complete BC on PS3 is about 70% Software oriented and about 90% Hardware.

    4.1.2009 14:39 #17

  • Ryu77

    Originally posted by varnull: Never had a ps2.. unreliable garbage from my experience of them.. over 100 in a heap out back "uneconomic" to repair.I've had one for about 8 years (been mod chipped for 4 years) and it still plays everything perfectly.

    I think it comes down to how well things are looked after.

    I must say though, even with the amazing effects that the PS3 offers I still love playing my PS2 (sometimes even my PSX) simply because the games have outstanding gameplay value.

    4.1.2009 15:17 #18

  • D00mer

    Playstation 2 was way too overrated, I never liked it, like i havent touch it like 4 months, and then I wanted to watch DVD on my tv(thats only thing what I doed with it mostly), and now my ps2 wont turn on, for some reason.

    Ps2 failed IMO because: Bad controller, it dont fit to my hands at all, GC and xbox was much more powerfull than ps2, as well theres not that much games what are only for ps2 what interst me.

    also most people bougth ps2 just for cheap dvd player, and like nowdays ps3 for cheat blu-ray player

    4.1.2009 15:17 #19

  • Ryu77

    Originally posted by D00mer: Playstation 2 was way too overrated, I never liked it, like i havent touch it like 4 months, and then I wanted to watch DVD on my tv(thats only thing what I doed with it mostly), and now my ps2 wont turn on, for some reason.

    Ps2 failed IMO because: Bad controller, it dont fit to my hands at all, GC and xbox was much more powerfull than ps2, as well theres not that much games what are only for ps2 what interst me.

    also most people bougth ps2 just for cheap dvd player, and like nowdays ps3 for cheat blu-ray player    Is your definition of failure to sell more consoles than any other manufacturer?

    Well, I certainly wouldn't want you on my business planning team.

    The controller didn't fit your hands? I think it utilises a great design and very comfortable to hold. I am sure many others agree.

    There are many PS2 exclusives that have a loyal following (Final Fantasy series for example). Just because they don't interest you does not make for a failure.


    EDIT: I just noticed that you gave the PS2 a 4/5 rating on your product review. It can't be all that bad now, can it?



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    4.1.2009 15:24 #20

  • gallagher

    Statistics is not guesswork; it is science. They take into consideration errors and people's lying. No one is saying that the PS2 is outselling anything--only that it is being played more. I do not have one, but I believe it because I know people with it who still play it. I do not know a single person who has a PS3 who plays it. I only know one person who even owns one. Almost every guy I know who is in their teens to 30's, has an Xbox 360. Many still have their older systems.

    As for the polling, I have participated in it before for television. The way it works is that they send you a sheet and pay you to do this (at least for the TV ratings). For an entire week, you write down whenever you turn on your TV and what channel you watch and when. You then mail it back. They probably do this online nowadays.

    With statistics, they take into account the amount of people who will not send these back and they make sure they reach a large demographic area. You state your age and other variables. So let's not bask the collector of this data. If anyone would have lied--in hard to believe large numbers, it would have been the PS3 players. I find it hard to believe that a huge number of PS3 players, larger than the sample error, would habe conspired to lie about their own system.

    The PS3 may be a great system, with huge potential. But just like other great systems, it may not survive. The biggest problem with the PS3 is simply the game choice. Whether you like it or not, the 360 has a much better selection of games.

    4.1.2009 16:24 #21

  • lxhotboy

    Originally posted by D00mer: Playstation 2 was way too overrated, I never liked it, like i havent touch it like 4 months, and then I wanted to watch DVD on my tv(thats only thing what I doed with it mostly), and now my ps2 wont turn on, for some reason.

    Ps2 failed IMO because: Bad controller, it dont fit to my hands at all, GC and xbox was much more powerfull than ps2, as well theres not that much games what are only for ps2 what interst me.

    also most people bougth ps2 just for cheap dvd player, and like nowdays ps3 for cheat blu-ray player    I am not going to go into detail and disect this post but i must say IMO the supporting statements as the PS2 being overhyped and failing arent very well though out nor do they make much sense. The PS2 was and maybe still is the most popular gaming console of all time.

    4.1.2009 17:16 #22

  • mrklean

    Does playing Cube games on the Wii count as Cube time or Wii time? I still play Cube games every day.

    4.1.2009 18:43 #23

  • scorpNZ

    Can't say i'm a fan of Sony products to me it's all cheap looking junk & lasts even less,the fact remains the PS2 is still selling,is'nt it out selling all or was it there's more of them in the wild than any other console ,can't remember which,no matter ya gotta give credit where credits due,i can understand why the xbox 1 is still going strong,the jump from a PS2 to a 360 or PS3 is a large leap in game & graphics ,but going from an xbox to a 360 or PS3 is only a step plus the hacks n stuff you can do with the good o'l xbox 1 too,can't believe ms don't still make em,pretty stupid i reckon mind you that's coz i'd prefer to buy new ones to mod,chances are that's the reason the xbox is going good

    4.1.2009 19:58 #24

  • DVDBack23

    Originally posted by D00mer: The PS2 was and maybe still is the most popular gaming console of all time.That would be the NES :-D

    4.1.2009 21:16 #25

  • lxhotboy

    Quote:Originally posted by D00mer: The PS2 was and maybe still is the most popular gaming console of all time.That would be the NES :-DLOL, i cant argue with that opinion. I still love to play NES, Snes, classics.

    4.1.2009 22:04 #26

  • Oner

    Originally posted by gallagher: The PS3 may be a great system, with huge potential. But just like other great systems, it may not survive. The biggest problem with the PS3 is simply the game choice. Whether you like it or not, the 360 has a much better selection of games.You should really rethink your definition of "better selection"...just because the 360 has been out for 1 year longer and does have "more" games does not make for a "better selection". Multiplats are on both and exclusives are actually EXCLUSIVE on the PS3 unlike the 360 where they are 99% of the time available on the PC. PLUS how 2008 Sony had the higher rated exclusives (with 2007 having some notables as well)

    Quote:2008 Top PS3 Exclusives:

    1. LittleBigPlanet: 95%
    2. MGS4: 94%
    3. Resistance 2: 87%
    4. Valkyria Chronicles: 86%
    5. MLB 08: The Show: 85%
    6. SingStar: 82%
    7. Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds: 81%
    8. MotorStorm: Pacific Rift: 81%
    9. Buzz! Quiz TV: 80%
    10. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: 80%

    Average: 85.1%


    2008 Top Xbox 360 Exclusives:

    1. Gears of War 2: 93%
    2. Left 4 Dead: 89%
    3. Fable II: 89%
    4. Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise: 82%
    5. Tales of Vesperia: 81%
    6. Ninja Gaiden II: 81%
    7. Naruto: The Broken Bond: 79%
    8. Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts: 79%
    9. Lost Odyssey: 78%
    10. Culdcept Saga: 75%

    Average: 82.6%


    Top Wii Exclusives:

    1. Super Smash Bros. Brawl: 93%
    2. Boom Blox: 85%
    3. No More Heroes: 83%
    4. Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection: 82%
    5. Mario Kart Wii: 82%
    6. de Blob: 82%
    7. BlastWorks: Build, Trade, Destroy: 80%
    8. Wii Fit: 80%
    9. MLB Power Pros 2008: 79%
    10. Wario Land: Shake It!: 77%

    Average: 82.3%

    Here are some additional sources & materials
    2008 year of PS3
    Who had the best exclusives in 2008
    Now I have to admit that I don't like playing the #'s for reviews BS (especially when using Metacritic's biased crap) but it helps make a point my little clearer (even at the expense of it being generalized). Though in all honesty I don't play reviews...I play games. And one thing is for sure 2008 and looking forward to 2009 the PS3 is where it was/is at for the a variety of games (not just shooters). But that's just my opinion ;).


    Originally posted by DVDBack23: Originally posted by D00mer: The PS2 was and maybe still is the most popular gaming console of all time.That would be the NES :-DNES 62 Million
    PS2 130+ Million and still selling

    Though I have to say I can't choose the PS2 over an NES...that is honestly a REALLY tough choice. Absolutely WAAAAY to many diverse, genre defining, titles on both consoles to be able to choose one over the other! It is undoubtedly a fact that without the NES we wouldn't be where we are today when it comes to the imaginations of what those devs gave us that STILL continue today!



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    4.1.2009 22:09 #27

  • DVDBack23

    Quote:NES 62 Million
    PS2 130+ Million and still selling

    Though I have to say I can't choose the PS2 over an NES...that is honestly a REALLY tough choice. Absolutely WAAAAY to many diverse, genre defining, titles on both consoles to be able to choose one over the other! It is undoubtedly a fact that without the NES we wouldn't be where we are today when it comes to the imaginations of what those devs gave us that STILL continue today!    Yeah exactly, I didn't just mean the "units sold" numbers, the NES just means so much to lots of people and must be brought up in any conversation about the "greatness" of video games :D

    5.1.2009 00:01 #28

  • DXR88

    NES wasn't great. It is great, it still is. it always will be the best gaming console around.

    in 2056 i might be 62 dammit but you can bet your ass i will have a NES hooked up to my 10,000p nuclear fusion screen display, might have to buy a converter at RadioShed for that.

    5.1.2009 00:11 #29

  • TBandit

    damn was surprised to see the original xbox still beating out the ps3 didnt know people still played a system no longer produced that much

    5.1.2009 01:37 #30

  • lott

    Well let's face it any time you can mod any game, you will have more players, just to see if that mod has in proofed the game, or there would not be mod chip Sean, mod chip are made so you can install mod not for pirating but for making new hack's making the better games and more of a playing experience.
    After living in the states for well over 40years I have moved to South America and we sell Wii, Xbox 360, Sony Play Station 2, Sony Play Station 3, PSP, Nintendo DS, and so on, well the point is this in all the cases the customer 99% of the time asked for the game console to be moded. Why just because they could play NES games and just because they they all ready had a bunch of mod's in there house, for there games. We sell PC'S an the first thing people ask can play games, we give them a list of games {they say yes I know but I want the old games} and do you know, what they ask for 90% of the times, is for two things MAME and NES. And by far the portable consoles that I get most requested for are the GP2X,WIZ, for the same reason the old games, they are not as fast, they are not as pretty, but they are fun. And the hold thing is freedom to play what you want an how you want it, that is all that matters. we have a repair business any the most request repairs are for the old huge Sony Play Station 2 not because they are bad just for the simple reason that they all ready have hard drives, with the same thing they all ready have mod's for there games. Or why AD gave the code for Doom and Quake and how many mods where made after dose code engine where out in the market just look out there there is Quake and Doom in just a bought every devise in the market from PC's to Iphone it is one of the most ported games in the world, right next to NES games.

    5.1.2009 02:46 #31

  • pomelo

    The PS2 is smashing the PS3 that does not look good for SONY.

    5.1.2009 11:47 #32

  • Oner

    Originally posted by pomelo: The PS2 is smashing the PS3 that does not look good for SONY.130 Million+ vs 20 Million+ = perspective



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    5.1.2009 12:51 #33

  • bilen

    1. LittleBigPlanet: 95%
    2. MGS4: 94%
    3. Resistance 2: 87%
    4. Valkyria Chronicles: 86%
    5. MLB 08: The Show: 85%
    6. SingStar: 82%
    7. Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds: 81%
    8. MotorStorm: Pacific Rift: 81%
    9. Buzz! Quiz TV: 80%
    10. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: 80%
    I don't see many "exclusives" that would sell the system here. You keep tellin us Oner that the ps3 is the best but numbers and people talkin tell a different story.

    5.1.2009 16:06 #34

  • Oner

    Are you actually going by Nielsen numbers for that statement? One thing is different from the other. I posted those #'s in reply to a specific person's comment about the selection of games...not at all in which you are talking about, but since you brought it up here are some exclusive sales #'s (before Decembers additional amounts) that would contribute in part to console sales....

    MGS4 has sold 4.3+ Million
    GT5P has sold 2.5+ Million
    LBP has sold 1.5+ Million (launched in late Oct?)
    R2 has sold 1+ Million (Launched in Nov.)

    It's not about that "the ps3 is the best", as those are YOUR words (so please don't try and put words into my mouth). Anything I say about the PS3 being "good" is merely a PREFERENCE along with factual verifiable information for the sold numbers.

    But I take it this all stems from you being sore about the temp banning you got for your inflammatory, baseless, false accusation & assumption's about me...or are you just trying for more?



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    5.1.2009 17:41 #35

  • Morreale

    Originally posted by bilen: 1. LittleBigPlanet: 95%
    2. MGS4: 94%
    3. Resistance 2: 87%
    4. Valkyria Chronicles: 86%
    5. MLB 08: The Show: 85%
    6. SingStar: 82%
    7. Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds: 81%
    8. MotorStorm: Pacific Rift: 81%
    9. Buzz! Quiz TV: 80%
    10. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: 80%

    I don't see many "exclusives" that would sell the system here.    MGS4? Are you blind or something? did you not see that game on the list?

    That's like saying GoW2 sold no consoles at all :/

    It amazes me how little thought you put into that statement :S

    5.1.2009 19:44 #36

  • lxhotboy

    Quote:Multiplats are on both and exclusives are actually EXCLUSIVE on the PS3 unlike the 360 where they are 99% of the time available on the PC.i understand what you are saying but when you are comparing the 2 hardcore gaming consoles but those games are not available on the opposing competitors console. Also dont know exact numbers but i would be willing to bet that 99%(maybe not exact but you get my point) of the time people choose to buy those games on the xbox360 rather than a PC and they would do the same if the game was available on PS3 and PC only. Sorry oner but i have said it before and i will continue to say that as each time you stress that comment about the games being availble on PC i think,"Who is this guy kidding NO ONE PLAYS PC GAMES. Unless there are some numbers that someone falsely made up to prove otherwise.

    5.1.2009 22:17 #37

  • SProdigy

    Hate to burst the bubble, but the main reason the PS2 still does well is because it's still supported. Had Sony killed off the PS2 in the way MS killed the original Xbox, I could see more people taking the leap.

    For what it's worth, we could say that these PS2 players are in fact casual gamers, or play when they have free time. Most likely a Madden player, or someone that has a library of a few titles and doesn't feel the need to invest $400 in a new console.

    Those that do want to invest, either replace their PS2 with a new one (rather than repair the broken system) or they jump to the cheaper next gen option, like the Wii (not hating, I have one.)

    It's really not that surprising. PS2 has a large library of games, all of which are cheaper than the next gen offerings, and can be had for loads cheaper finding it used in GameStop or on eBay.

    6.1.2009 08:26 #38

  • smokyrain

    I still like my PS2..
    I have 3 of them. Two V7 with hdd and a V14

    The PS2 sold the most consoles in the shortest time ever, over 100 million in 5 yrs.
    As of July/08 it was over 140 million
    The PS3 is at 16.85 in a little over 2 years. Hard to say if it will ever do the same.

    Yes the games are cheaper now, but of course because it will no longer be sold after this latest model SCPH-9000x series.

    So funny after the PS3 is out that they even make a new PS2 model.

    Sony makes money regardless.

    I have newer consoles too, only because I can't get those games on the PS2, but still would rather play my PS2

    All this topic is really about though is that it is the most played console.
    If the PS2 was region free, it would have been better yet.


    6.1.2009 10:06 #39

  • Oner

    Originally posted by lxhotboy: Sorry oner but i have said it before and i will continue to say that as each time you stress that comment about the games being availble on PC i think,"Who is this guy kidding NO ONE PLAYS PC GAMES. Unless there are some numbers that someone falsely made up to prove otherwise.So you ACTUALLY think nobody plays PC games huh?...not even gonna bother


    Originally posted by smokyrain: The PS3 is at 16.85 in a little over 2 years. Hard to say if it will ever do the same.Your off by about 3.15 Million...



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    6.1.2009 14:04 #40

  • Globe08

    Quote:Originally posted by lxhotboy: Sorry oner but i have said it before and i will continue to say that as each time you stress that comment about the games being availble on PC i think,"Who is this guy kidding NO ONE PLAYS PC GAMES. Unless there are some numbers that someone falsely made up to prove otherwise.So you ACTUALLY think nobody plays PC games huh?...not even gonna bother


    Originally posted by smokyrain: The PS3 is at 16.85 in a little over 2 years. Hard to say if it will ever do the same.Your off by about 3.15 Million...    Its not that people dont play PC games like he said but you do mislead with your statements in a negative way to reflect the 360 and put almost all things ps3 in a good light due to your liking of the ps3. im not saying ive never done it or wouldnt do it as well but im sure i was called out when i did if it wasnt factual. yes people play the PC version of games on the 360 that MS calls exclusive even though they are on PC but it is a minute number at that im sure. if not show me some figures saying otherwise.Games on the whole that are popular on consoles generally arent near as good on pc. Of course there are exceptions so im not saying people dont PC games cause i know they do. Oblivion,fallout, and some shooters out there im sure sell well on PC but assasins creed and sports games probaly dont see ne PT.I ncould go on and will come back to edit this cause im on the phone and losing train of thoght tbc...

    6.1.2009 15:56 #41

  • bilen

    read again morreal i said many, not all of them. MSG4 is the only game right now i would like a ps3 for. It amazes me you don't read the whole statement. as for oner, i don't care about the banning, i just hate comin here and reading your absolute love for the ps3.

    6.1.2009 16:09 #42

  • lxhotboy

    Quote: Originally posted by lxhotboy: Sorry oner but i have said it before and i will continue to say that as each time you stress that comment about the games being availble on PC i think,"Who is this guy kidding NO ONE PLAYS PC GAMES. Unless there are some numbers that someone falsely made up to prove otherwise.

    So you ACTUALLY think nobody plays PC games huh?...not even gonna bother
    @ Oner

    No actually go ahead. Please bother to look up the numbers and post them. I am not going to say that i have myself has googled any numbers but as globe also said and i also stated, NO ONE PLAYS PC games. As I stated in my previous post that means that if a game is available for a video gaming console and the pc people are going to buy it for the gaming console. I am not saying people dont buy and play PC games at all just that it is a minute number when compared to the same game that is available on a console.

    6.1.2009 17:11 #43

  • Globe08

    Quote:I am not saying people dont buy and play PC games at all just that it is a minute number when compared to the same game that is available on a console.Quote:Thats what i meant to say but it took more words for me to say it and it didnt come out as concise^^^^.Its kind of like a Madden is for the 360...its damn near an exclusive when you see that it almost triples the sales on any other console. It ALMOST sold more copies for the 360 than the ps3,ps2,and wii combined. But at any rate what was your fav game for ps2 Oner and lxhotboy?? Mine was god of war, i never got the chance to play part 2 unfortunalty i had already had gotten rid of my ps2.

    6.1.2009 17:37 #44

  • Oner

    Originally posted by bilen: as for oner, i don't care about the banning, i just hate comin here and reading your absolute love for the ps3.Oh well. Deal with it, it's an OPINION.


    Originally posted by Globe08: Its not that people dont play PC games like he said but you do mislead with your statements in a negative way to reflect the 360 and put almost all things ps3 in a good light due to your liking of the ps3.Only for how absolutely horrible the HARDWARE is. Outside of the occasional dislike for a game (say Forza as an example) that doesn't mean I think it is a "bad" game and doesn't deserve it's score or praise by gamers. Oh 1 additional area that people MIGHT get confused is where I would say I dislike the fact you have to PAY for LIVE! but I have NEVER said it "sucks" or is "bad" either. So people are SORELY mistaken about me.

    Either way, with as much BS "doom & gloom" news you see about Sony (yet the numbers show something totally different) why is it so bad that 1 person (me) stands up for what they beleive? It sure seems like there are WAAAAAAY more people spewing ACTUAL misinformation than 1 person (me) trying to give PROPER factual, documented, sourced PROOF. I mean, imagine that huh? Proof over misinformation and I get crap for it?!?!

    It's okay though, I like the challenge. When it's all said and done the "I told you so" will be that much sweeter ;)


    Originally posted by lxhotboy: @ Oner

    No actually go ahead. Please bother to look up the numbers and post them. I am not going to say that i have myself has googled any numbers but as globe also said and i also stated, NO ONE PLAYS PC games. As I stated in my previous post that means that if a game is available for a video gaming console and the pc people are going to buy it for the gaming console. I am not saying people dont buy and play PC games at all just that it is a minute number when compared to the same game that is available on a console.
    You TOTALLY miss the point. If you have a PS3, Wii & PC with even a remotely decent video card you can play so called "exclusives" without the additional cost of a 360 (with all its hardware issues) & LIVE! (pay for online access ON TOP of paying for high speed online access!)...I am not going to bother with searching for numbers but will say this I guess people who play WOW, CS, Left 4 Dead, SPORE, Mass Effect and ANY number of other STEAM must be "nobody" (notice how the last 3 where "so called exclusives").

    You can beleive what you want but what you are trying to say is absolutely ludicrous..."Nobody plays PC games". Amazing. Seriously.



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    6.1.2009 19:08 #45

  • DXR88

    =Off Topic=
    I thought the moderator's where going to bar themselves from posting on topic such as this.

    i find the PS2 to be a very good system, the PS3 however is more like a (meh do i have too). its just not there yet.

    SN Oner do you find it amusing how they try and compare things like the 360 to the PC, when its a thread about use of the PS2.



    6.1.2009 20:56 #46

  • Globe08

    Quote:Originally posted by bilen: as for oner, i don't care about the banning, i just hate comin here and reading your absolute love for the ps3.Oh well. Deal with it, it's an OPINION.


    Originally posted by Globe08: Its not that people dont play PC games like he said but you do mislead with your statements in a negative way to reflect the 360 and put almost all things ps3 in a good light due to your liking of the ps3.Only for how absolutely horrible the HARDWARE is. Outside of the occasional dislike for a game (say Forza as an example) that doesn't mean I think it is a "bad" game and doesn't deserve it's score or praise by gamers. Oh 1 additional area that people MIGHT get confused is where I would say I dislike the fact you have to PAY for LIVE! but I have NEVER said it "sucks" or is "bad" either. So people are SORELY mistaken about me.

    Either way, with as much BS "doom & gloom" news you see about Sony (yet the numbers show something totally different) why is it so bad that 1 person (me) stands up for what they beleive? It sure seems like there are WAAAAAAY more people spewing ACTUAL misinformation than 1 person (me) trying to give PROPER factual, documented, sourced PROOF. I mean, imagine that huh? Proof over misinformation and I get crap for it?!?!

    It's okay though, I like the challenge. When it's all said and done the "I told you so" will be that much sweeter ;)


    Originally posted by lxhotboy: @ Oner

    No actually go ahead. Please bother to look up the numbers and post them. I am not going to say that i have myself has googled any numbers but as globe also said and i also stated, NO ONE PLAYS PC games. As I stated in my previous post that means that if a game is available for a video gaming console and the pc people are going to buy it for the gaming console. I am not saying people dont buy and play PC games at all just that it is a minute number when compared to the same game that is available on a console.
    You TOTALLY miss the point. If you have a PS3, Wii & PC with even a remotely decent video card you can play so called "exclusives" without the additional cost of a 360 (with all its hardware issues) & LIVE! (pay for online access ON TOP of paying for high speed online access!)...I am not going to bother with searching for numbers but will say this I guess people who play WOW, CS, Left 4 Dead, SPORE, Mass Effect and ANY number of other STEAM must be "nobody" (notice how the last 3 where "so called exclusives").

    You can beleive what you want but what you are trying to say is absolutely ludicrous..."Nobody plays PC games". Amazing. Seriously.    I think you still miss the point to a degree. What were the sales of left 4 dead and mass effect as to console to pc is what he's getting at. Its clear hes saying that they are far trumped by the console version of sales. Im not sure about the sales but we shall see if the debate continues.And its not that you get crap for giving correct information its that most of the information you give is always reftictying the ps3/sonys image and it need not be said the arrogant consumer giant that sony is doesnt exactly need help in that department.And last but not least you whiffed on my question about what is your favorite ps2 game...???

    6.1.2009 21:13 #47

  • lxhotboy

    Quote:You TOTALLY miss the point. If you have a PS3, Wii & PC with even a remotely decent video card you can play so called "exclusives" without the additional cost of a 360 (with all its hardware issues) & LIVE! (pay for online access ON TOP of paying for high speed online access!)...I am not going to bother with searching for numbers but will say this I guess people who play WOW, CS, Left 4 Dead, SPORE, Mass Effect and ANY number of other STEAM must be "nobody" (notice how the last 3 where "so called exclusives").

    You can beleive what you want but what you are trying to say is absolutely ludicrous..."Nobody plays PC games". Amazing. Seriously.    COMPREHENSION-----The capacity of the mind to perceive and understand; the power, act, or process of grasping with the intellect; perception; understanding; as, a comprehension of abstract principles.

    I explained what was meant when i said "NOBODY PLAYS PC GAMES".
    Either you dont understand what i meant or you just cant admit when you are wrong but i am not going to argue with you oner. If you want to believe that more copies of a multiplatform game are sold on a PC than on xbox360, or PS3 then that is you. I just believe it is commen sense and doesnot take a genius to figure that out that when we gamers walk into a store to purchase Madden 09 that there is a very minute percentage that will buy it for the PC.

    As for "missing the point" no sir i understand what you are saying. My comprehension skills are very good as it is you that has missed the point when you ramble about what console you own and not paying for online service. You sir are that included in the minute number of people that i was referring to and if you cant understand that then this post was not even worth my time just as i am not going to google sales numbers of a particular pc game and then show that most of those particula games for a PC will be outsold easily if that same game is available for a video gaming console.

    On topicQuote:But at any rate what was your fav game for ps2 Oner and lxhotboy??1. Resident Evil (1,2 and 3)
    2. God of War
    3. Tomb Raider (all of them)

    @ oner what are your favorite PS2 games?

    6.1.2009 21:34 #48

  • Oner

    Originally posted by DXR88: =Off Topic=
    I thought the moderator's where going to bar themselves from posting on topic such as this.    How would I be able to not talk in a News topic in aD? I've been here for what, like 7 years now...kinda hard to do that.

    Originally posted by DXR88: i find the PS2 to be a very good system, the PS3 however is more like a (meh do i have too). its just not there yet.

    SN Oner do you find it amusing how they try and compare things like the 360 to the PC, when its a thread about use of the PS2.    It happens, but in all fairness there was more than just 360 & PC being discussed in this thread. NES, Xbox, PS1, Wii, Gamecube etc. some as per the actual Nielsen ratings.


    Originally posted by lxhotboy: COMPREHENSION-----The capacity of the mind to perceive and understand; the power, act, or process of grasping with the intellect; perception; understanding; as, a comprehension of abstract principles.

    I explained what was meant when i said "NOBODY PLAYS PC GAMES".
    Either you dont understand what i meant or you just cant admit when you are wrong but i am not going to argue with you oner. If you want to believe that more copies of a multiplatform game are sold on a PC than on xbox360, or PS3 then that is you. I just believe it is commen sense and doesnot take a genius to figure that out that when we gamers walk into a store to purchase Madden 09 that there is a very minute percentage that will buy it for the PC.

    As for "missing the point" no sir i understand what you are saying. My comprehension skills are very good as it is you that has missed the point when you ramble about what console you own and not paying for online service. You sir are that included in the minute number of people that i was referring to and if you cant understand that then this post was not even worth my time just as i am not going to google sales numbers of a particular pc game and then show that most of those particula games for a PC will be outsold easily if that same game is available for a video gaming console.    Yes you explained your "point" but that doesn't make it true, though that is kind of a loaded comment as one thing of which we are BOTH not taking into account is PIRATED COPIES of which people scratch that GAMERS use (many 100's of thousands if not MILLIONS I might add). So my point (as well as the COMPREHENSION to "get the point" so to say) also seemed to be overlooked as well. But that doesn't matter I guess, as you want #'s of which don't actually matter in this case. The point is PEOPLE do use PC's for gaming contrary to whatever you may beleive or try to downplay.

    So go right ahead and make your little quips, slighted insults & closed minded comments about me or certain FACTS that are actually true. So while I am the one getting singled out (by some, as usual) I will just re-iterate this

    Quote:It's okay though, I like the challenge. When it's all said and done the "I told you so" will be that much sweeter ;)
    Originally posted by lxhotboy: But at any rate what was your fav game for ps2 Oner and lxhotboy?

    1. Resident Evil (1,2 and 3)
    2. God of War
    3. Tomb Raider (all of them)

    @ oner what are your favorite PS2 games?    There are alot but off the top of my head (for PS1 & 2 as lx has posted some from earlier models)

    1) I have to agree with some of LX's like Resident Evil 1 & Tomb Raider 1
    2) GT (all)
    3) MGS 1 & 2
    4) Virtua Tennis (PS2 & DC)
    5) DEFINITELY Marvel vs Capcom 1 & 2 plus MANY Street Fighters
    6) GTA 3, SA & VC
    7) RIIIIDGE RAAAAACEEEEER's
    8) Burnout (most are okay but 1 was my fav.)
    9) Syphon Filter
    10) Fear Effect
    11) Mortal Kombat's 1-3
    12) Crash Team Racing
    13) Driver
    14) Ape Escape

    I can actually go on but for "Playstation" that's a few. There are MANY more for NES, SNES, N64, Wii, Xbox & 360, DC & PC but just a few like CS Source but ABSOLUTELY 100% 1.5 & 1.6, Aliens vs Predator 2 and one other game which for the life of me I am embarrassed to say I don't remember the name of!!! It was an FPS set in the future/sci fi where you could "ski" with a booster pack (that was like AVP2 where it had no recoil) it was mainly based around multiplayer capture the flag that they made a part 2 of but never really captured the essence of part 1's....it also had a mini gun/gatling gun.

    OMG, this is gonna bug me all night I know it.



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    6.1.2009 22:16 #49

  • varnull

    Now I'm not going to go down this road again.. I gave up grinding axes with trolls and fanboys... BUT.. it strikes me that there is a hell of a lot of propaganda, and half truth type troll posting about the ps3 being "the best".., and trying to wriggle out of being caught .. yet again.. with pants down being a biased sony fanboy XD


    Originally posted by dxr88: I thought the moderator's where going to bar themselves from posting on topic such as this.

    So did I.. In fact I thought it was an agreed point with staff that moderators would cease and desist from biased pro or anti posting in any of the news topics.

    Originally posted by Oner: But I take it this all stems from you being sore about the temp banning you got for your inflammatory, baseless, false accusation & assumption's about me...or are you just trying for more?

    And also certain points made by members of staff concerning abuse of powers and positions. UNLESS you can point to a specific breach of a rule.. and be prepared to prove what that is.. and I will take this opportunity to remind you "not liking somebody" or "not agreeing with what they say" is NOT a valid reason to ban somebody.. then you are exceeding your powers and authority.. and riding roughshod over the rules.
    Just because you might not "like" a post made by certain members.. that does not give you the right to ban them.. as you have repeatedly done to certain members with no justification other than to protect your precious sony from criticism. That is against the whole ethos of allowing an open discussion, and very close to a serious abuse of the site aims and objectives re - freedom of speech.

    Now I suppose you think that pulling a moderator up for what appears to be abuse of position (again) and fro what certainly looks like a commercial interest type bias is worthy of a ban.. Show me which rule? If anything in the above post can be seen as personal abuse, rather than a statement of the situation as I see it regarding the matter then.. how and why is it abusive (under the terms of the rules)

    Remember kids.. Moderators are members just like you.. they have to abide by the same rules you do XD or face the same penalties.. They are not gods (though some would like to think they are.. no names eh dave ;))

    Now I'm off back to my lurking.. knowing I hit a few raw nerves.. Happy Yule XD



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    6.1.2009 23:16 #50

  • Se7ven

    I think many here would like to thank you for your stand against this type of abuse.

    7.1.2009 08:15 #51

  • lxhotboy

    Quote:Yes you explained your "point" but that doesn't make it true,No what makes it true is that 1. you cant prove my FACT wrong 2. you dont have enough character in you to accept humulity b/c if you google those numbers it will prove that i am not talking IMO. I speak the truth.

    Quote:So go right ahead and make your little quips, slighted insults & closed minded comments about me or certain FACTS that are actually true. So while I am the one getting singled out (by some, as usual) I will just re-iterate this

    Quote:It's okay though, I like the challenge. When it's all said and done the "I told you so" will be that much sweeter ;)    1. You actually singled yourself out by not accepting humility and admitting the masses play console versions over PC version.
    2. I think this to be the sweetest as you have no info to back up your OPINION and make it a fact. Meaning i have taken your "I TOLD YOU SO" and locked it away.
    3. Stop posting on the subject if you cant swallow your pride ,it make you look bad and tarnishes your reputation.

    I really expect some type of disciplinary actions like a suspension or something rather than Oner swalling his pride and learning humility. That would be a true abuse of power as a admin. Its kinda like after playing a good basketball game with lost of trash talk and then the other guy doesnot have the sportmanship to shake your hand after he has lost. Dont worry though i am finished with the subject of laying down FACTS that are hard for you to swallow.

    7.1.2009 08:34 #52

  • Oner

    Originally posted by varnull: it strikes me that there is a hell of a lot of propaganda, and half truth type troll posting about the ps3 being "the best".., and trying to wriggle out of being caught .. yet again.. with pants down being a biased sony fanboy XDWhy is it "propaganda" whenever I have an OPINION about what I believe when I say ANYTHING? Why is it an issue when I post FACTS (not half truths as you say). Why is it I am the ONLY one with a different outlook when it comes to Sony's standings in the games market. Why is it there are ALWAYS more misinformation against than for and when I post FACTS I get lambasted, ostracized and singled out?

    WTH is up with that? I honestly don't get it. False information that gets proven as WRONG with sources, links, documented valid & verifiable proof and I get no end of $#@! for it?!?! Amazing. Really. I could understand you don't like hearing it from me but the information is true...so I get labeled a "fanboy" (of which is a bann-able offense but I would be wrong if I did so right? ~ double standard yet again)


    Originally posted by varnull: Originally posted by dxr88: I thought the moderator's where going to bar themselves from posting on topic such as this.

    So did I.. In fact I thought it was an agreed point with staff that moderators would cease and desist from biased pro or anti posting in any of the news topics.
    I don't know where you got your "information" but there has been absolutely nothing said to that effect. I currently have open in a separate tab EXACTLY where you beleive that is said. And while it does make very clear to not engaging in heated debates or trolling. That is VERY different from what you where lead to beleive.

    I am just like ANYONE else here with an opinion on topics and matters. ESPECIALLY when they are false or misinformed. EVERYTHING I say has been backed up by facts, sources and such. Just because YOU don't like ME doesn't make what I say "fanboy". The only ones who got "caught with their pants down" are those who are SEVERELY mistaken (and not just about the PS3).

    As I explained before why is it ALWAYS an issue when I post? Because I give VERIFIABLE information that shows truth? Or because it's just "me" posting? If it is the latter then someone is taking it personal, instead of trying to discuss the FACTS or at the very least because they can't say anything against those FACTS I get attacked PERSONALLY. EVERY time. Which brings me to how you (and others) consistently try to call me out because you don't like what I say specifically. Seems a bit biased if you ask me.


    Originally posted by varnull: Originally posted by Oner: But I take it this all stems from you being sore about the temp banning you got for your inflammatory, baseless, false accusation & assumption's about me...or are you just trying for more?

    And also certain points made by members of staff concerning abuse of powers and positions. UNLESS you can point to a specific breach of a rule.. and be prepared to prove what that is.. and I will take this opportunity to remind you "not liking somebody" or "not agreeing with what they say" is NOT a valid reason to ban somebody.. then you are exceeding your powers and authority.. and riding roughshod over the rules.
    Just because you might not "like" a post made by certain members.. that does not give you the right to ban them.. as you have repeatedly done to certain members with no justification other than to protect your precious sony from criticism. That is against the whole ethos of allowing an open discussion, and very close to a serious abuse of the site aims and objectives re - freedom of speech.
    Here is some information of which you seem to be omitting when trying to cast me as "the bad banning without reason moderator guy" (of which I already addressed earlier but you somehow overlooked that...)

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/5/728982#4438831

    I get INSULTED with blatant false accusations. PERIOD. The specific rule of which that was violated was

    Quote:6. No foul language, insults, personal attacks or otherwise rude messages.It cannot be ANY clearer than that.


    Originally posted by varnull: Now I suppose you think that pulling a moderator up for what appears to be abuse of position (again) and fro what certainly looks like a commercial interest type bias is worthy of a ban.. Show me which rule? If anything in the above post can be seen as personal abuse, rather than a statement of the situation as I see it regarding the matter then.. how and why is it abusive (under the terms of the rules)So now a PERSONAL PREFERENCE somehow gets relegated to a commercial interest! Seriously that is outright BS. I will stand by my convictions no matter what just to show how wrong you are....

    It seems people are again making ASSUMPTIONS as to where I stand. It seems to have been forgotten how I got my moderator status here over 7 years ago. This will clear that up and will show I am not "commercially tied" in some weak attempt to discredit me.

    If I was "all about Sony" then why would I have EVER made one of the most COMPREHENSIVE tutorials on the net (that was also stolen by PS2NFO without credit I might add) about how to copy/backup/boot/mod/chip/bypass Sony's DRM on the PS1 & PS2 (just to name a few) and I would do the same for the PS3 when that time comes as I have done for the PSP as well! I could go on giving more proof but I won't. It's not even worth it. This whole situation has left me with disgust as to peoples BASELESS assumptions of which somehow has grown into a PERSONAL attack on me (again). When all I have EVER done is offer HELP and FACTUAL information for absolutely nothing more than a THANK YOU & because I honestly like to help people who have problems or questions. Some people REALLY need to shut their mouths, do some research and THINK before they speak, because they don't know a damned bit about me or what I have done in the scene. All of which I could NEVER have done without aD.


    Originally posted by varnull: Remember kids.. Moderators are members just like you.. they have to abide by the same rules you do XD or face the same penalties.. They are not gods (though some would like to think they are.. no names eh dave ;))The same applies to those who have a consistent track record of attacking others instead of their posts (as clearly evident).

    But it also seems you (amongst others) have a habit of violating this rule time and time again

    Quote:14. If you see a post that violates any of these rules, please report it to our moderators using the "Report an offensive post" link. Do not play the role of a moderator if you are not one. There is absolutely no need to nitpick on the posts of new users. Let the moderators do their work. But you don't see me enforcing that one do you? Or am I still biased? :rollseyes:



    Originally posted by Se7ven: I think many here would like to thank you for your stand against this type of abuse.You don't know what you are talking about.



    Originally posted by lxhotboy: Quote:Yes you explained your "point" but that doesn't make it true,No what makes it true is that 1. you cant prove my FACT wrong 2. you dont have enough character in you to accept humulity b/c if you google those numbers it will prove that i am not talking IMO. I speak the truth.I'm done with trying to explain it LX. The #'s of which you ask for are not indicative of what is reality because of Piracy alone. So fine, you are right in the fact that SALES show one thing, and that is supported by what you said.


    Originally posted by lxhotboy: I really expect some type of disciplinary actions like a suspension or something rather than Oner swalling his pride and learning humility. That would be a true abuse of power as a admin. Its kinda like after playing a good basketball game with lost of trash talk and then the other guy doesnot have the sportmanship to shake your hand after he has lost. Dont worry though i am finished with the subject of laying down FACTS that are hard for you to swallow.
    So because I offer my OPINION along with facts attempting to clear up consistent misinformation (Sony has no games, Sony sales are poor, Sony has no exclusives etc. etc. etc.) I should be disciplined? Whatever. I see there is no point in having ANY discussions with you about anything, anymore.



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    7.1.2009 09:03 #53

  • lxhotboy

    Quote:So I because I offer my OPINION along with facts attempting to clear up consistent misinformation (Sony has no games, Sony sales are poor, Sony has no exclusives etc. etc. etc.) I should be disciplined? Whatever. I see there is no point in having ANY discussions with you about anything, anymore.My post was suppose to comprehend as you would rather oppose some type of disciplinary action on me rather than stepping up to the plate and admitting that my "so called" opinion was more like a fact.

    But please lets change the subject. How bout commenting on the topic as IMO the reason that the PS2 is still alive and thriving is d/t
    1. continued suppost for the console
    2. the overpriced tag that this new era of gaming has bestowed upon us
    I think most people feel the gaming industry has taken the price of gaming
    console too high as they concentrate more on graphics than just
    making a great game with lasting replay value.

    Replay value keep me coming back to play Resident evil. Not the graphics. So honestly is the high price tag a console really necessary when a great game with a good storyline and funfactor will be the games we come back to 10 years from now as from time to time we seek vintage gaming. How bout Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony give incentives to developers if they are able to make a game that becomes a classic, or wins game of the year or something. Wouldnot that help with the quality of games as a whole and switch the focus more to making more top notch games like the game of the year, Metal Gear Solid 4?

    7.1.2009 10:35 #54

  • Oner

    Originally posted by lxhotboy: My post was suppose to comprehend as you would rather oppose some type of disciplinary action on me rather stepping up to the plate and admitting that my "so called" opinion was more like a fact. Then I am mistaken, but after all of which I am dealing with and have been reading I do appologize. But you would never have been banned or anything. Just because we have a difference of opinion does not mean you are doing something "bad" or violating forum rules. It's just that certain people usually make it a personal thing TOWARDS me and not towards my information of which is BS (not directed at you).

    That is what I grow tired of, how people act as if they have some sort of "pull" or act like they are somehow staff & moderators themselves trying to "call some shots"...in an effort to get me in trouble. I have been addressed more than enough times and gotten in my share of trouble before here, but one thing for damned sure. I would never willfully or purposefully jeopardize my standing here @ aD. I am a man and have faults just like any one else and I do not believe I am some sort of a GOD as some would be so disillusioned to say and have others believe...


    Originally posted by lxhotboy: But please lets change the subject. How bout commenting on the topic as IMO the reason that the PS2 is still alive and thriving is d/t
    1. continued suppost for the console
    2. the overpriced tag that this new era of gaming has bestowed upon us
    I think most people feel the gaming industry has taken the price of gaming
    console too high as they concentrate more on graphics than just
    making a great game with lasting replay value.

    Replay value keep me coming back to play Resident evil. Not the graphics. So honestly is the high price tag a console really necessary when a great game with a good storyline and funfactor will be the games we come back to 10 years from now as from time to time we seek vintage.    I do agree. Which is why I have a modded Xbox & partitioned PS3 w/Linux for MAME, SNES, NES etc...you can't beat free! But your "replay value and pricing this gen" comment is absolutely key. I also never understood why all of a sudden we have to pay $60 US currently for 360 & PS3 titles? Was there some kind of back room discussion between them or something?

    This has actually made me spend LESS for fear of not getting my money's worth (replay value is key here), so now I rent/borrow the ones that are "iffy" before I rush out to buy or wait till the price drops, get it on sale/trade (though that doesn't help the devs) before committing 100%.


    Originally posted by lxhotboy: How bout Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony give incentives to developers if they are able to make a game up that becomes a classic, or wins game of the year or something. Wouldnot that help with the quality of games as a whole and switch the focus more to making more top notch games like the game of the year, Metal Gear Solid 4.The only thing I know they do is drop the prices for their "greatest hits" or equivalent to us consumers...as for incentives to the Devs, that's a good question.



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    7.1.2009 10:46 #55

  • lxhotboy

    Quote:his has actually made me spend LESS for fear of not getting my money's worth (replay value is key here), so now I rent/borrow the ones that are "iffy" before I rush out to buy or wait till the price drops, get it on sale/trade (though that doesn't help the devs) before committing 100%.I admit i do the same. I refuse to pay $60 for a game that i havenot at least played once or at least i am sure it will be worth playing from a friend's opinion or something.


    Microsoft doesnot get much praise from me as i waited a while to buy the original gears of war b/c the game was old and had sold millions of units but remained $60. A friend actually bought the game for me as a token of appreciation as i helpled him out with support as he battled to clean up his life after being a meth addict. There are something i place more value on than $60.

    Anyone know how many game sales are required for a game to become a greatest hit and the price lowered per each different console?

    7.1.2009 11:04 #56

  • Oner

    Originally posted by lxhotboy: Quote:his has actually made me spend LESS for fear of not getting my money's worth (replay value is key here), so now I rent/borrow the ones that are "iffy" before I rush out to buy or wait till the price drops, get it on sale/trade (though that doesn't help the devs) before committing 100%.I admit i do the same. I refuse to pay $60 for a game that i havenot at least played once or at least i am sure it will be worth playing from a friend's opinion or something.


    Microsoft doesnot get much praise from me as i waited a while to buy the original gears of war b/c the game was old and had sold millions of units but remained $60. A friend actually bought the game for me as a token of appreciation as i helpled him out with support as he battled to clean up his life after being a meth addict. There are something i place more value on than $60.    It goes to show a bit of your character as a person. +1


    Originally posted by lxhotboy: Anyone know how many game sales are required for a game to become a greatest hit and the price lowered per each different console?From the Wiki for Sony

    Quote:Greatest Hits titles are colloquially referred to as "red label" (or "green label" for PlayStation titles) referring to the colored band that is added to the packaging to differentiate it from regular releases (which are similarly referred to as "black label"). A game can earn this distinction if it meets certain sales criteria within two years after its release.....

    When Sony introduced the program for PlayStation in 1997, games could become Greatest Hits titles after selling at least 150,000 copies and being on the market for at least a year. Minimum sales required eventually rose to 250,000. When the program came to PlayStation 2 in 2002, games could become Greatest Hits titles after selling at least 400,000 copies and being on the market for at least 9 months....

    In addition, Sony also allows other publishers some flexibility in the pricing of their own Greatest Hits titles, though most companies stick to the agreed-upon suggested retail price. Games that are multi-million sellers may become Greatest Hits titles much later than 9 months to maximize profits. It is also a common practice for a game to re-release on the Greatest Hits label at a close proximity to the release of that game's sequel or follow-up.

    In 2006, Sony extended the Greatest Hits program to the PlayStation Portable. To qualify, a title must be on the market for at least 9 months and have sold 250,000 copies or more. The Greatest Hits price for PlayStation Portable games typically begins at $19.99.

    On July 28th, 2008, the program was introduced on the PlayStation 3. A PlayStation 3 game must be on the market for 10 months and sell at least 500,000 copies to meet the Greatest Hits criteria. PlayStation 3 Greatest Hits titles currently sell at $29.99.
    And for MS

    Quote:Platinum Hits is a term used to refer to a line of select Xbox games that have sold over 400,000 units on the platform in the nine months after release....

    A similar budget range in PAL markets is known as Xbox Classics for GB£19.99 and Best of Classics for GB£9.99. In Japan, they are known as Platinum Collection games and generally cost ¥2800, with the exception of games from the Dead or Alive series, which have been sold at ¥3800. Sales requirements may vary by region.

    On September 8, 2006, Microsoft announced the Platinum Collection would be extended to the Xbox 360 platform. On September 20, 2006, at Microsoft's Pre-Tokyo Game Show conference, they announced Platinum Hits for the Xbox 360 in North America, priced at US$29.99 and Classics in the UK for GB£24.99.

    Platinum Family Hits are special Platinum Hits that have been designated appropriate for all ages. All current Platinum Family Hits are rated "E" by the ESRB, except for T-rated X-Men Legends, E10+ rated Sonic the Hedgehog, and E10+ rated Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy. As with Platinum Hits, the new suggested retail (MSRP) is $19.99.

    Best of Platinum Hits are select best-selling Platinum Hits that have a suggested retail price of $9.99 and a slightly different "Best of Platinum Hits" logo on the package design. Best of Platinum Family Hits are chosen from the Platinum Family Hits line.



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    7.1.2009 11:14 #57

  • SProdigy

    Forget if I mentioned that in the last post, but we are going BACKWARDS in terms of pricing for games.

    I remember when the PSX came out, and the appeal for CD based games nearly killed the cartridge-based N64. I can remember Genesis, SNES and N64 cartridges in the $70 range, PSX and Dreamcast CD games where in the $40-50 ballpark. Jump to the PS2, GC and Xbox, and they raised to $50, and now $60... unless you want to fork out $200 for Rock Band!

    In the time span between now and then, where more software has been sold (larger profit to devs) and more consoles have been sold (larger installed base.) You may argue that dev costs are higher, and there is a larger barrier to entry than before, but I call bs on that!

    We live in a time with less original idea (IP) and more sequels and rehashing. Many games ship INCOMPLETE or BUGGED. They are pressed on DVD media (or BD, I know, I know) and stuffed with paper advertisement, and IN GAME advertisement.

    The cat has gotten fat with multiple Tony Hawk clones, Madden rehashes, and "Part 4" titles and we've allowed it by handing over our dollars for the same old crap! Yes, I want "some" sequels, but please don't sell your soul for a short campaign a la Halo 3 or an online ONLY version of SOCOM. These are incomplete games compared to the originals. It's ridiculous!

    On the other hand, PSN, Live and VC versions of games are kicking butt with low prices, small footprints and easy distribution. Just look at Street Fighter HD Remix, or Mega Man 9. Heck, even Super Mario Bros. is still selling strong and it's 25 years old! For the cost/risk ratio, I'd gladly pluck down a fraction of the cost for any of these games than chance a larger purchase.

    7.1.2009 11:44 #58

  • forumtrol

    I have been reading this and a few other news threads with interest. It's amazing how many 'newbies' and 'junior members' just post in this section and attack and abuse other posters, one mod in particular.

    But then again nobody is going to spend their time creating lots of accounts just to pick on people are they? I mean it takes a whole five minutes to create an account to look like someone else is backing up your position doesn't it? ;)

    7.1.2009 11:47 #59

  • Oner

    Originally posted by forumtrol: I have been reading this and a few other news threads with interest. It's amazing how many 'newbies' and 'junior members' just post in this section and attack and abuse other posters, one mod in particular.

    But then again nobody is going to spend their time creating lots of accounts just to pick on people are they? I mean it takes a whole five minutes to create an account to look like someone else is backing up your position doesn't it? ;)    We have tools to find/fix that ;)



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    7.1.2009 12:25 #60

  • forumtrol

    Yeah, you do from the same ip address.

    But a lot of people have access at home and at work. And as well as that, if you really wanted to get obsessive about it, there's public libraries, friends houses, etc, etc! ;)

    7.1.2009 14:17 #61

  • Globe08

    I love you all lets just be happy LOL jk

    P.S i asked you b4 and i dont think you responded im not sure but how many posts are requred to not be a newbie i posts in spurts and the whole wait 3 minutes gets me sometimes when im rolling????????

    7.1.2009 14:52 #62

  • bilen

    Oner, nothing against you or the help you hane given here or elsewhere. It's just in every forum about video games you are alway's posting about how ps3 is doing fine and it might be, if not now then later;). Alway's throwin figures at us and standin your point(which is good) but even in the 360 news articles? Just let them be and pick your battles. Don't need to push your opinion on everyone. and by the way the ps2 was a good machine(even though i went through 3 of them) and if i didn't sell my modded one for a 360 i would still be playin it(still got my modded original xbox though ) and i plan on buyin a ps3 when the prices come down. not rich ya know!

    7.1.2009 15:39 #63

  • Oner

    Originally posted by Globe08: how many posts are requred to not be a newbie i posts in spurts and the whole wait 3 minutes gets me sometimes when im rolling????????
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/102943

    Quote:Newbie to Junior Member -- 25 posts
    Junior Member to Member -- 100 posts
    Member to Senior Member -- 500 posts
    Senior Member to Addict -- 2500 posts
    anyone to Moderator -- determination and bribes to admins
    anyone to Admin -- decent six-figure (euros or dollars, we are not picky) lump sum to AfterDawn's Swiss bank account

    Update:
    Posts made in the Safety valve are not taken into account when calculating member levels.    It seems you have enough in total (going by a quick search) so the only thing I could say it would be is that maybe it's an issue with the code or that it is the same as the safety valve since the News is actually a seperate link that is also tied to a forum area? Either way you seem to only have 17 in other areas on the forum. Try posting a couple time in various other threads to see if we can confirm this to be true/so.



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    7.1.2009 15:45 #64

  • Globe08

    yeh ill give it a try but i do mainly posts in the news section so im sure thats what it is.Thanks at any rate though

    7.1.2009 16:03 #65

  • SProdigy

    Originally posted by Oner: Originally posted by Globe08: how many posts are requred to not be a newbie i posts in spurts and the whole wait 3 minutes gets me sometimes when im rolling????????
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/102943

    Quote:Newbie to Junior Member -- 25 posts
    Junior Member to Member -- 100 posts
    Member to Senior Member -- 500 posts
    Senior Member to Addict -- 2500 posts
    anyone to Moderator -- determination and bribes to admins
    anyone to Admin -- decent six-figure (euros or dollars, we are not picky) lump sum to AfterDawn's Swiss bank account

    Update:
    Posts made in the Safety valve are not taken into account when calculating member levels.    It seems you have enough in total (going by a quick search) so the only thing I could say it would be is that maybe it's an issue with the code or that it is the same as the safety valve since the News is actually a seperate link that is also tied to a forum area? Either way you seem to only have 17 in other areas on the forum. Try posting a couple time in various other threads to see if we can confirm this to be true/so.    That's quite odd, considering the majority of mine are in the news section as well... and until now, I never looked up my post total, not that I cared after the time restriction was posted, but I "should" be a senior member now! LOL

    7.1.2009 23:28 #66

  • DXR88

    You have posted 1237 messages to our discussion forums since you created your account on Tuesday 29 May 2007.
    So far you've received 46 private messages through our site..

    so says my account info. rank doesn't bother me as much as creditability though.

    8.1.2009 12:49 #67

  • Globe08

    Originally posted by DXR88: You have posted 1237 messages to our discussion forums since you created your account on Tuesday 29 May 2007.
    So far you've received 46 private messages through our site..

    so says my account info. rank doesn't bother me as much as creditability though.
    nor does it me but id like to be able to post just as often as otehrs and i ramble post in spurts.Being a newbie my impatient a$$ has to wait a WHOLE 3 minute LMFAO



    Quote:You have posted 125 messages to our discussion forums since you created your account on Tuesday 04 December 2007.
    So far you've received 4 private messages through our site..Quote:


    Thats what mine says but im still a newbie.Title can also go to credibilty...1st impressions eh...LOL

    8.1.2009 15:05 #68

  • Morreale

    I had over 1000 posts on my old account, but magically the password and email was changed and no one cared to help me >:

    Now I'm stuck with this 3min BS or whatever >:

    ****
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    Quote:Newbies can't post more than one post every 3 minutes. This is done to prevent spambots to pollute our site. Apologies for inconvenience. Gahhh! I'm not a Newbie!!!

    8.1.2009 18:30 #69

  • DXR88

    it used to be five minutes if i'm not mistaken.

    9.1.2009 00:34 #70

  • LOCOENG

    I think if someone has a problem with another member, mod, staff member etc. it should be taken to PM and get the target of the topic stay on course.


    9.1.2009 01:10 #71

  • Morreale

    If we are allowed to argue our oppinions then I think mod should be allowed to... They were regular members once before right?

    Anyways for the PS2 thing do they count people that play PS2 games on their PS3? I still play San Andreas on my PS3... lol

    9.1.2009 08:07 #72

  • Oner

    Originally posted by LOCOENG: I think if someone has a problem with another member, mod, staff member etc. it should be taken to PM and get the target of the topic stay on course.Thank You Loco, but the honest truth is I don't get that courtesy. For some reason it is always becomes something personal towards me (consistently by certain people) instead of towards the topic/issue at hand. Instead it always reverts to "how can we discredit, ban or get Oner into trouble"...and as of late it is because they are mistaken or have been mislead to beleive some false information about moderators "barring themselves from posting on topic such as this". You, I and the rest all know that is not what the big man made clear.

    I'll go out on a limb here and say I know that I can post quite vehemently at times but nowhere as much as people make it out to be. It just gets under my skin when people post blatant, outright misinformation and when they are proven wrong by verifiable facts I get cast as a "bad moderator" that has a hidden agenda with some ties to Sony!...talk about needing aluminum foil caps. Whatever. If need be I will have no issue with the powers that be to prove how certain people have got something out for me....again with verifiable facts and their documented misinformation.

    I love aD too much to give ANYTHING up without a fight (especially when all they have is BS false accusations as described above). And if anyone truly knows anything about me, that would be I don't roll over when I believe in something I hold dear or when it comes to my character.


    Originally posted by Morreale: If we are allowed to argue our oppinions then I think mod should be allowed to... They were regular members once before right?We are always posters, contributors, helpers & information givers at heart but we have been offered the ability to also moderate. I don't see how anyone would have been lead to believe something different when all my information shows something TOTALLY different and right from the horses mouth too.


    Originally posted by Morreale: Anyways for the PS2 thing do they count people that play PS2 games on their PS3? I still play San Andreas on my PS3... lolI would like to know that as well, but would guess the Neilsen ratings would account for that. Wouldn't it? As it would be quite clear that they are using a PS3?..? But that is a good question and could be a grey area.



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    9.1.2009 09:14 #73

  • Globe08

    Originally posted by LOCOENG: I think if someone has a problem with another member, mod, staff member etc. it should be taken to PM and get the target of the topic stay on course.Both ways are equally ineffective from my experience

    9.1.2009 14:49 #74

  • Azazel61

    Originally posted by Globe08: Originally posted by LOCOENG: I think if someone has a problem with another member, mod, staff member etc. it should be taken to PM and get the target of the topic stay on course.Both ways are equally ineffective from my experienceMy opinion is this; effictiveness aside why should a thread be somewhat polluted by banter. I personally think handling it the way LOCOENG stated would be the appropriate course of action.

    9.1.2009 15:35 #75

  • Oner

    I agree, but there are some key issues missing here...no PM's where sent and it became a personal thing towards me over anything else (amongst other points). As well as there where gaming discussions going on along with certain remarks.



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    9.1.2009 16:01 #76

  • Globe08

    Originally posted by LOCOENG: I think if someone has a problem with another member, mod, staff member etc. it should be taken to PM and get the target of the topic stay on course.What brought on this statement? I could be blind,actaully im betting on it but i didnt see what started the convo in this direction. Again im genuinely asking not stirring the pot. Ive learned the hard way so i take the extra step to not leave doubts about my demeanor.

    No offence yes Mods are members just like us all but unlike us all they have power and sometimes they conversate or communicate their views in an argumentative manner and then get heated when an arugment insues. And Since they have the power they should have to have higher expectations of how they conduct themselves.If this was all about us asking about the post count relation to member status i find it a little strange that this particular conversation was cut so short and the religon debate started in another thread i wont mention ran for 30 plus posts. Lets pick our battles wisely and if thats the case this was sure a STRANGE decision.Sometimes its better this is out in the open for all to see instead of things being swept under the carpet in a P.M

    9.1.2009 17:41 #77

  • Globe08

    Quote:Originally posted by Globe08: Originally posted by LOCOENG: I think if someone has a problem with another member, mod, staff member etc. it should be taken to PM and get the target of the topic stay on course.Both ways are equally ineffective from my experienceMy opinion is this; effictiveness aside why should a thread be somewhat polluted by banter. I personally think handling it the way LOCOENG stated would be the appropriate course of action.I can see where your coming from BUT effectiveness is hella important and should never be taken out of the equation. And why does banter have to be bad? Theres too much of this lack of communication with this world. I agree childish insult flinging thats not done tastefully is no good for forums. But if you got one guy calling another cluesless and uniformed and the other person comes back with correct information and lays it out beautifully and slaps a "take that sh!tter" somewhere in there i dont see the need for grown men and women in a Electronics forum to get their panties in a bunch.Just my humble opinion for what its worth. Trash talking can help elevate the atmosphere and raise the bar in competition and if handled right at times in discussions can turn into debates which are healthy and COMPETITIVE!But yes the childish little bickering here and there is obnoxious and generally you can gather the age of the participants by reading their posts...END RANT

    9.1.2009 17:51 #78

  • LOCOENG

    Quote:What brought on this statement?Title of thread ~ ***PlayStation 2 still the most played console***

    This thread isn't about abuse of power, member level or why should it be on topic.

    8. Don't reply with an off-topic comment/question

    That is all I have to say...so lets get to the topic.


    9.1.2009 18:25 #79

  • Globe08

    meh, Playstation 2 did some amazing things...this however is not one of them and need not be discussed to this level hence people have went off topic.CLOSE THE THREAD PLEASE


    P.S 25 consecutive posts not directly realting to topic should serve as a hint. minue my posts and its still atleast 17 posts off topic.

    9.1.2009 18:32 #80

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