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Man arrested for brandishing gun, threatens his iPhone

In one of what has to be one of the funniest tech related articles of the week, Donald Goodrich of Ohio was arrested on Friday for brandishing a gun at his local Apple Store, while threatening to shoot his iPhone because it was not working.

Goodrich walked into the store in Cincinnati, Ohio, walked up to the Genius Bar, and began yelling "I'm so mad, I could pop a 9mm at [my iPhone]." Goodrich then continued, "I’ll do it right now! Look!" He then pulled up his shirt, showed the gun, and kept yelling.



The employee at the Genius Bar managed to keep the crazed Goodrich distracted until the cops arrived however, and no one was hurt, not even the iPhone.

Goodrich did have a permit for a concealed weapon, so he was charged with aggravated menacing, as a number of employees and customers said they felt threatened by Goodrich's tirade.

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 4 Oct 2009 1:36

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• Morreale

  Did they fix his phone???

  4.10.2009 02:04 #1

• windsong

  Quote:When he revealed the weapon, the Apple Store employee believed that "the offender will cause serious physical harm." In other words, he felt threatened, and threatening someone is against the law.Wow..the bigger doofus was the punk who called the cops. Probably wets his panties whenever he sees someone buy ammo at a store. If he had done that to me, I'd definitely be looking for some payback after paying whatever fine/time I had to do.

  4.10.2009 02:10 #2

• 21Q

  Quote:Quote:When he revealed the weapon, the Apple Store employee believed that "the offender will cause serious physical harm." In other words, he felt threatened, and threatening someone is against the law.Wow..the bigger doofus was the punk who called the cops. Probably wets his panties whenever he sees someone buy ammo at a store. If he had done that to me, I'd definitely be looking for some payback after paying whatever fine/time I had to do.How much more of a douch can you be? If somebody has a gun, in a store, and is holding it out while yelling, then there is a very good chance someone is going to get hurt or killed.

  4.10.2009 09:30 #3

• Oner

  What this person did was unacceptable & flagrant. If he lived in an open carry state then I would guess that in a court of law it COULD be a "Grey Area" that he MAY be able to argue (even if in poor judgement). But if not, and he has the right + license to carry concealed then there is absolutely no reason for him to do something so reckless & stupid.
  
  I have carried concealed with my G19C for the past 5+ years EVERY time I leave my house and only carry because I exercise my right to do so as well as to protect myself & loved ones IF it ever came to a situation that warranted it...but to brandish a gun over an iPhone....just shows/proves he is incapable of the responsibility nor has the mental ability to own a firearm.
  

  
  
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  4.10.2009 10:37 #4

• KillerBug

  He never even pulled out the gun...he just lifted his shirt to show it...I though you at least had to touch the gun for it to be "brandishing a weapon".
  
  By that standard, cops are always brandishing their guns. I feel menaced.
  
  Can I call the cops on the cops for menacing me by brandishing their guns?

  4.10.2009 12:23 #5

• joe777

  The united states is a strange place to me. Guns galore. And you can have a permit as an ordinary citizen to carry a concealed weapon. I know its for protection for yourself and your loved ones. But how in the hell did you get to this sad state of affairs.

  4.10.2009 12:32 #6

• zenno

  ONLY IN AMERICA.

  4.10.2009 12:45 #7

• cleverick

  Quote:Quote:When he revealed the weapon, the Apple Store employee believed that "the offender will cause serious physical harm." In other words, he felt threatened, and threatening someone is against the law.Wow..the bigger doofus was the punk who called the cops. Probably wets his panties whenever he sees someone buy ammo at a store. If he had done that to me, I'd definitely be looking for some payback after paying whatever fine/time I had to do.You P***y. You are not that O.G. Never will. You are the DOOFUS here.

  4.10.2009 13:32 #8

• cleverick

  Originally posted by joe777: The united states is a strange place to me. Guns galore. And you can have a permit as an ordinary citizen to carry a concealed weapon. I know its for protection for yourself and your loved ones. But how in the hell did you get to this sad state of affairs.Some people just fall thru the cracks and pull this sort of thing. Why is it when something like this happens in the U.S., the world thinks,"OMG they are crazy over there!" What about when your soccer team loses? What do you do? Start riots. Oh and yes I did say soccer because that is what it is called here in the U.S.

  4.10.2009 13:40 #9

• xnmalletx

  cleverick said it all. I just don't think the world will ever accept America because we choose to be different. Why can't we all just get along and love this world we live on. I am proud to be an American Citizen.

  4.10.2009 13:53 #10

• sprintcar

  I think the man should sue Apple for all the pain and suffering caused by his iPhone

  4.10.2009 14:03 #11

• DXR88

  you have the right to own a firearm licensed or not. its called the Second Amendment and rest assured our government is trying its hardest to strike that Amendment off the face of this world.
  
  in any case you shouldn't show off a firearm. its called concealed carry for a reason (Concealed as to Hide Away). the only people that are aloud to carry a gun in open are a Uniformed Police Officer and an active Militant of the said county.
  
  he should have his concealed license revoked for this little stunt not to harm him or take away his rights but to protect him from those evil Gun Carrying store owners. i know a few that would have scattered him all over the ipod display case if he did that in there store.

  4.10.2009 14:16 #12

• H08

  i could imagine this now
  
  Crazy Nut: Dont anybody move! *Pulls Gun To Iphone*
  
  Apple Store Employee: Please No, Anything But The Iphone!, Here take my first child

  4.10.2009 14:52 #13

• jony218

  The people working at the counter over-reacted probably a recent immigrant who doesn't know our customs. If anything they should have arrested the Iphone for giving the man such problems. He was not brandishing a gun. Brandish = verb, to wave around in a threatening manner. Everyone is overlooking the bigger problem here, "the overpriced iphone poor performance". The "gun" was just an innocent bystander in this whole fiasco, hopefully it wasn't too traumatized.

  4.10.2009 15:33 #14

• cousinkix

  Originally posted by joe777: The united states is a strange place to me. Guns galore. And you can have a permit as an ordinary citizen to carry a concealed weapon. I know its for protection for yourself and your loved ones. But how in the hell did you get to this sad state of affairs.
  It's either Ohio's issuing permits to all comers, or the police state of Kommiefornia, where movie stars, rock musicians get permits. The rich people, who contribute $$$ to sheriffs' election campaigns are often rewarded with a license to carry a loaded gun. Your life isn't worth s--- if you aren't famous or wealthy!
  
  And most of those guns are imported from countries; where hypocritical and corrupt politicians have disarmed their own populations! Hey Europe and Japan keep your damned guns. Any firearm, which is not stamped "Made in the USA" should be taken off the market. It's gotten to a point, where too many law enforcement agencies are buying imported handguns.
  
  Any resident of the former Warsaw Pact nations, who wants to own a surplus KGB Makarov pistol: we got them too.

  4.10.2009 15:49 #15

• robbo94

  Originally posted by cleverick:
  Some people just fall thru the cracks and pull this sort of thing. Why is it when something like this happens in the U.S., the world thinks,"OMG they are crazy over there!" What about when your soccer team loses? What do you do? Start riots. Oh and yes I did say soccer because that is what it is called here in the U.S.you've obviously never been to a football match and experienced the passion that the fans show to each other then, especially in a derby game the atmosphere in the stadium is emense.

  4.10.2009 16:17 #16

• joe777

  maybe I should have worded it a little different. The whole world is in a sad state of afairs when you have to carry a firearm around with you. Why in the hell has it got to this stage. Not so long ago over the border in Belgium you could show a drivers licence and buy a firearm. Not so easy to do here in holland but then again after a few puffs we could not be bothered shooting anyone:P Its more like hey give me your money and your watch. Here man have a puff on this. Ok. Right man am sorry keep your money and watch as long as I can keep the rest of this jo**t. Ok keep it. See you later man. Yeah see you.Lol
  So yeah the next time you go into the gun shop the owner should sell you some puff instead. Hey man got any new guns? no man but got this new puff have a go.

  4.10.2009 16:28 #17

• Josipher

  Quote:Originally posted by joe777: The united states is a strange place to me. Guns galore. And you can have a permit as an ordinary citizen to carry a concealed weapon. I know its for protection for yourself and your loved ones. But how in the hell did you get to this sad state of affairs.Some people just fall thru the cracks and pull this sort of thing. Why is it when something like this happens in the U.S., the world thinks,"OMG they are crazy over there!" What about when your soccer team loses? What do you do? Start riots. Oh and yes I did say soccer because that is what it is called here in the U.S.thats definitely the most absurd argument i ever heard/read.
  the whole world but america may play football. and yes i said football cause thats what the world calls it. but the only country i know of that is pretty much crazy over it is the UK. and while i still think its stupid that they have organized fights over football matches and in game riots you would be hard pressed to find guns involved,and i think a gunshot wound is far worse than a beating wouldnt you?(retorical,not sure if your smart enough to get that). its not like in america that you practically have "the right to bear arms"
  america is nice to live in cuz of the money you can make and the quality of life youd have if you made it but for a normal person that comes from a country that you have strict rules about carrying a gun (i.e registering having periodical refreshment sessions at the range. aim checks etc) to come to america where there are cases of gangmembers in schools and 16 year olds carrying unchecked guns it seems not worth the risks at the least and insane in the extreme.
  keep saying god bless america..you sure need it

  4.10.2009 16:33 #18

• Oner

  What seems to be forgotten here is WHY we have our Second Amendment Rights. To keep our government in check IF necessary, something our fore fathers decreed. Hell, Thomas Jefferson once said
  
  Quote:"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not"
  
  And I'll be damned if I don't support ALL of our rights as Americans. Especially so when certain Americans like to pick and choose which ones they want to support, while other people from other countries do nothing but criticize our laws....actually this is getting way off topic but I have to add that I agree with you DXR88 but it seems that on the State level, is where you get the most opposition and violations of our rights. Just look at NY & Cali alone where you cannot own a handgun unless you got "pull". Hopefully the ongoing Heller vs DC Supreme Court Ruling/Overturn will make it's way through other States that believe "gun laws & restrictions" deters CRIMINALS in some BS way, when they obviously don't. They only trample & violate our rights by hampering the law abiding "Everyday Joe" NON-Criminals (well at least non violent LoL) like you and me.
  

  
  
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  4.10.2009 17:23 #19

• DVDdoug

  Quote:And I'll be damned if I don't support ALL of our rights as Americans. Right on!
  
  Quote:Just look at NY & Cali alone where you cannot own a handgun unless you got "pull". Here in California, any adult without a criminal record can buy and own a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.
  
  For handguns, there is a 15-day waiting period and a background check. After that, there is no registration requirement. (I'm not sure about rifles & shotguns, but I think there are fewer restrictions.) It is practically impossible to gat a concealed carry permit. I'm not sure about open carry, but apparently it's only allowed if the gun is unloaded.
  
  We do have too much crime here in the USA, but I don't know anyone who's been shot or even threatened with a gun. We have very few home burglaries at night when (possibly armed) homeowners are at home. Most burgluries occur during the day when nobody's home.
  
  In (U.S) states where concealed carry laws have been loosen-up (i.e. Florida), crime has gone down. In the USA, crime is generally higher in places where gun ownership is highly restricted. In high-crime cities like New York City and Chicago, the criminals ignore the gun laws and the law-abiding unarmed citizens are less able to protect themselves.

  4.10.2009 20:31 #20

• cleverick

  Quote:Originally posted by cleverick:
  Some people just fall thru the cracks and pull this sort of thing. Why is it when something like this happens in the U.S., the world thinks,"OMG they are crazy over there!" What about when your soccer team loses? What do you do? Start riots. Oh and yes I did say soccer because that is what it is called here in the U.S.you've obviously never been to a football match and experienced the passion that the fans show to each other then, especially in a derby game the atmosphere in the stadium is emense.I've been to plenty of football games and not one person started a riot during any of the games I attended. I agree with you on the passion part but not the part where games are stopped because of fighting fans. That is just ridiculous.
  
  This could have happened anywhere in the world. It just takes a person that is not stable to do what this fool did. He is not capable of owning an iphone nor a handgun. The iphone was a catalyst for what this guy did. I just hope he gets help where ever he ends up.

  4.10.2009 23:28 #21

• KillerBug

  Quote:What seems to be forgotten here is WHY we have our Second Amendment Rights. To keep our government in check IF necessary, something our fore fathers decreed. Hell, Thomas Jefferson once said
  
  Quote:"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not"Sadly, the government has made laws to prevent this threat by banning automatic weapons for civilians (at least for civilians that are not rich). The military is well trained, brainwashed, and heavily armed with everything they could want. An uprising of a majority of the people could easily be put down by a military controled by a president that rigged an election.
  
  BTW...not all US citizens are so agressive with firearms as this guy was. He is clearly not very inteligent...a fact shown by his purchase from Apple.
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ihoH8pps0

  5.10.2009 00:23 #22

• joe777

  Quote:BTW...not all US citizens are so agressive with firearms as this guy was. He is clearly not very inteligent...a fact shown by his purchase from Apple.First class, right on the money.

  5.10.2009 07:00 #23

• cleverick

  Quote:Quote:Originally posted by joe777: The united states is a strange place to me. Guns galore. And you can have a permit as an ordinary citizen to carry a concealed weapon. I know its for protection for yourself and your loved ones. But how in the hell did you get to this sad state of affairs.Some people just fall thru the cracks and pull this sort of thing. Why is it when something like this happens in the U.S., the world thinks,"OMG they are crazy over there!" What about when your soccer team loses? What do you do? Start riots. Oh and yes I did say soccer because that is what it is called here in the U.S.thats definitely the most absurd argument i ever heard/read.
  the whole world but america may play football. and yes i said football cause thats what the world calls it. but the only country i know of that is pretty much crazy over it is the UK. and while i still think its stupid that they have organized fights over football matches and in game riots you would be hard pressed to find guns involved,and i think a gunshot wound is far worse than a beating wouldnt you?(retorical,not sure if your smart enough to get that). its not like in america that you practically have "the right to bear arms"
  america is nice to live in cuz of the money you can make and the quality of life youd have if you made it but for a normal person that comes from a country that you have strict rules about carrying a gun (i.e registering having periodical refreshment sessions at the range. aim checks etc) to come to america where there are cases of gangmembers in schools and 16 year olds carrying unchecked guns it seems not worth the risks at the least and insane in the extreme.
  keep saying god bless america..you sure need itI get the retorical question thing you said. You make it seem like every 16yr old is carrying a concealed gun just waiting to gang bang which is not the case. Its mainly the bad news that makes the news. Don't you agree? The stereotype has got to stop but never will. Every country, every city, and every person in this world has a target on their back(Not for shooting. Did you get that or are you not smart enough to get it?). I get stereotyped all the time because I'm an American. I love America. You may not but I do. God bless America, God bless you and God bless the world.

  5.10.2009 20:09 #24

• laguna_b

  All those dangerous and scared people out there who believe that carrying deadly weapon makes them safer REALLY scare me! Somehow I have managed to make it SAFELY to 62 years old w/o having to carry, brandish or use a fire arm against ANYONE.
  This story clearly shows why people SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a weapon, concealed or otherwise. What LUNACY my fellow Americans show to the world like little school children with their play guns! Grow up! 50,000 people DIE each year in this crazed country because of massive fire arms out there....NO ONE IS SAFER because of it.

  8.10.2009 12:47 #25

• creaky

  Luckily here in the UK we don't get arrested for brandishing non-Apple products, i for one keep my gadgets hidden out of sight, though far too many people (who buy Apple products) don't like to conceal them as they need everyone else to see their purchases.
  I won't comment much on guns, suffice it to say that one of the only redeeming qualities of this country is the sheer lack of guns, the only people who carry them here are police, army, farmers and criminals, though there's many other ways to threaten an iPhone.
  

  
  
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  8.10.2009 13:52 #26

• whatname

  Yesterday I heard a crazy statistic- there are 2.3 million people in prison in the USA today. I think this Iphone story proves that easy access to guns makes people *bleep* insane!

  8.10.2009 13:59 #27

• alexeemo

  Originally posted by laguna_b: All those dangerous and scared people out there who believe that carrying deadly weapon makes them safer REALLY scare me! Somehow I have managed to make it SAFELY to 62 years old w/o having to carry, brandish or use a fire arm against ANYONE.
  This story clearly shows why people SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a weapon, concealed or otherwise. What LUNACY my fellow Americans show to the world like little school children with their play guns! Grow up! 50,000 people DIE each year in this crazed country because of massive fire arms out there....NO ONE IS SAFER because of it.This is where you are completely wrong! We had an immigrant acquire some guns illegally and enter a shopping mall here in Salt Lake city. An off duty cop eating dinner with his wife in a restaurant in the mall came to the rescue. He saved lives cause he always carries a gun with him. I've read other stories as well including a high school teacher who ran out to his car to get his gun to stop a student who was shooting kids at school. Another was a person who carried a gun and stopped a madman who came to kill people during church services. You don't need a gun to kill or to be crazy, but carrying a gun for self defense evens the odds.

  8.10.2009 14:11 #28

• creaky

  whatname - let's watch the language in future.
  

  
  
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  8.10.2009 14:12 #29

• DXR88

  Quote:Sadly, the government has made laws to prevent this threat by banning automatic weapons for civilians (at least for civilians that are not rich). The military is well trained, brainwashed, and heavily armed with everything they could want. An uprising of a majority of the people could easily be put down by a military controled by a president that rigged an election.not entirely true you could do some National Guard or any Military Branch service and apply for your Class 3 license or have a veteran buy your gun for you.
  
  Also i Prefer Semi Auto Weapons for there stopping power and accuracy. as for Civilian Carbines with a few tweaks and receiver mods they to can be made full auto. the G3 was the most common to be converted.

  8.10.2009 15:35 #30

• Oner

  Originally posted by DXR88: Quote:Sadly, the government has made laws to prevent this threat by banning automatic weapons for civilians (at least for civilians that are not rich). The military is well trained, brainwashed, and heavily armed with everything they could want. An uprising of a majority of the people could easily be put down by a military controled by a president that rigged an election.not entirely true you could do some National Guard or any Military Branch service and apply for your Class 3 license or have a veteran buy your gun for you.
  
  Also i Prefer Semi Auto Weapons for there stopping power and accuracy. as for Civilian Carbines with a few tweaks and receiver mods they to can be made full auto. the G3 was the most common to be converted.The early models of the PS90's where easily "moddable" as well...hell ANY Glock can be made fully auto with a mere piece of metal stock made into a back plate with a "finger" to make contact at the right "time"! <3's my G19C
  

  
  
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  8.10.2009 15:57 #31

• LissenUp

  Originally posted by zenno: ONLY IN AMERICA.
  Yup!!!

  9.10.2009 23:47 #32

• chrissd

  Originally posted by jony218: The people working at the counter over-reacted probably a recent immigrant who doesn't know our customs. If anything they should have arrested the Iphone for giving the man such problems. He was not brandishing a gun. Brandish = verb, to wave around in a threatening manner. Everyone is overlooking the bigger problem here, "the overpriced iphone poor performance". The "gun" was just an innocent bystander in this whole fiasco, hopefully it wasn't too traumatized.Overlooking the bigger problem is right.
  
  Originally posted by Article: Goodrich did have a permit for a concealed weapon, so he was charged with aggravated menacing, as a number of employees and customers said they felt threatened by Goodrich's tirade.He'll get nothing for that. Threatened a store full of people (crazy dude, would you feel safe if someone pulled a gun?)
  
  I'm from Aus, and I agree that extremely tight gun laws do nothing to stop criminals. It's not as if they got the guns legally in the first place anyway. =P But I disagree that everyone should be allowed to get a gun, and to have a concealed carry permit.
  
  @alexeemo
  All of the cases you described could have been prevented by tougher restrictions on guns. Anarchy all the way, but sometimes the restrictions can help out. How did the student get the gun to shoot up the school? At least here in Aus, the gun would actually have to be secured, not just left out in the open.
  
  Concealed carry permits actually encourage "higher degree" crime. Think of it like this, in Aus, knives of any kind and guns are banned, if someone gets held up, criminal knows they don't have any methods of self defence available so rely more on threats. They don't need anything else.
  In USA, concealed carry means anyone and everyone could well be holding a gun, criminal is going to be a hella lot more twitchy if s/he thinks you're going to pull a gun on them. "Accidents" are a lot more likely. Or just look at all the cases where even slightly more tougher restrictions could have prevented mass murder. A 15 year old student should not under any circumstances be able to get their hands on an automatic. That's just insane.
  
  And for all you americans going on about rights.. Again, Aussie here, I'm not aware of any rights I have constitutionally except possibly the right to own property.. Stop whinging about a politician trying to stop you from getting your hands on army issue weaponry and be grateful you can get away with anything. Go swear at a police officer then plead "freedom of speech". Most places have a lot less leeway for retards to play with.

  12.10.2009 01:34 #33

• DXR88

  What people fail to realize is that the criminals will always have guns or some form of weaponry.
  
  i really couldn't care less if wars where still fought with muskets and bows since they are not i will not be expected to be limited to those weapons. don't blame the civilians for wanting an automatic blame the government for creating the contraption in the first place.
  
  as for Aussies not having any guns that has got to be the deepest BS ever.

  12.10.2009 05:00 #34

• KillerBug

  Guns are not bad...people are bad. Guns are just tools, used for good and evil based on the desires of their owners.
  
  They say there is aproximately 1 gun for every 12 people on earth. This means that 1/24 of the world population (or just over 50% of gun owners) can forcably impose their will on the other 23/24. This has resulted in every kind of violence immaginable, and will continue to do so. There are far too many guns in the world for this to be fixed via gun prohibition; the advantage given by a firearm can only be neutralized by another firearm. This is not like a bat, knife, or a punch, where effectivness varies by the individual, a bullet works the same no matter who pulls the trigger...arm the other 11 people and there will be a short period of bloodshed where the most violent people kill eachother off, followed by a severe drop in violence of all kinds.
  

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  12.10.2009 06:48 #35

• chrissd

  @DXR88
  
  lol ya. Criminals will always have guns, with gun control you eliminate the drunks, people having a tantrum, etc. Think most publicity (school, mall, etc) shootings, boy/girl friend/ husband/wife who thinks the other is cheating, etc. It definitely doesn't eliminate all shootings, just the majority of crime that without guns, most likely wouldn't result in a fatality in the first place.
  
  Aussie gun prohibition is just plain stupid. I like how there was mass shootings last year.. All the excuses the government used for guns look so fake right now. =P Need a license to play paintball, airsoft guns are completely illegal, etc. I'm not recommending that at all. That's just silly. lol
  
  @KillerBug
  
  Well yea, it's the persons choice to pull the trigger. The point of gun control is that the dodgy people don't get the chance to. Look at all those school shootings, those kids shouldn't have guns. No way. At least if it's harder to get the gun, note I said harder/control, not prohibition, it means that they'll have some time to calm down. Handing cash over the counter or picking up a pistol out of a drawer makes it too easy for someone having a fit to arm themselves.
  
  And I actually don't fully agree with that statement. Guns are not bad...people are bad. Guns mean someone that stores emotion inside of them are more likely to let it out. With a knife/bat/whatever, there's a physical difficulty involved. With a gun, it becomes very easy to kill someone. I've only shot an air rifle once and an air pistol, and that just at a target shooting booth at a farmers fair. But it's not like it's hard to pull the trigger, or even to get a bulls eye. Within 20 metres anyway, longer may be more difficult. But it goes from messed up individual to messed up individual with the ability to take it out on everyone else. And it's more likely they'll take it out on someone else given the ease of doing so.

  12.10.2009 15:06 #36

• Byron9

  Originally posted by DXR88: you have the right to own a firearm licensed or not. its called the Second Amendment and rest assured our government is trying its hardest to strike that Amendment off the face of this world.
  
  in any case you shouldn't show off a firearm. its called concealed carry for a reason (Concealed as to Hide Away). the only people that are aloud to carry a gun in open are a Uniformed Police Officer and an active Militant of the said county.
  
  He should have his concealed license revoked for this little stunt not to harm him or take away his rights but to protect him from those evil Gun Carrying store owners. i know a few that would have scattered him all over the iPod display case if he did that in there store. I think you are mistaken about uniformed police and military being the only people allowed to carry guns in the open. Have you ever been to Texas... or virtually any country town during hunting season?

  30.10.2009 01:51 #37

• Byron9

  Originally posted by laguna_b: All those dangerous and scared people out there who believe that carrying deadly weapon makes them safer REALLY scare me! Somehow I have managed to make it SAFELY to 62 years old w/o having to carry, brandish or use a fire arm against ANYONE.
  This story clearly shows why people SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a weapon, concealed or otherwise. What LUNACY my fellow Americans show to the world like little school children with their play guns! Grow up! 50,000 people DIE each year in this crazed country because of massive fire arms out there....NO ONE IS SAFER because of it.You are poorly informed. Incidents of gun related deaths are not on the rise in the USA. Only the media reports of gun related problems are on the rise. The bankrupt US Federal Government has to disarm the citizens before the New World Order can be fully implemented.
  There were no guns in Stalin’s Russia where millions were executed or Hitler’s Germany where millions were executed or Mau Se Tung’s China where millions were executed. And that’s all happened during one lifetime.

  30.10.2009 02:10 #38

• Byron9

  Quote:Originally posted by jony218: The people working at the counter over-reacted probably a recent immigrant who doesn't know our customs. If anything they should have arrested the Iphone for giving the man such problems. He was not brandishing a gun. Brandish = verb, to wave around in a threatening manner. Everyone is overlooking the bigger problem here, "the overpriced iphone poor performance". The "gun" was just an innocent bystander in this whole fiasco, hopefully it wasn't too traumatized.Overlooking the bigger problem is right.
  
  Originally posted by Article: Goodrich did have a permit for a concealed weapon, so he was charged with aggravated menacing, as a number of employees and customers said they felt threatened by Goodrich's tirade.He'll get nothing for that. Threatened a store full of people (crazy dude, would you feel safe if someone pulled a gun?)
  
  I'm from Aus, and I agree that extremely tight gun laws do nothing to stop criminals. It's not as if they got the guns legally in the first place anyway. =P But I disagree that everyone should be allowed to get a gun, and to have a concealed carry permit.
  
  @alexeemo
  All of the cases you described could have been prevented by tougher restrictions on guns. Anarchy all the way, but sometimes the restrictions can help out. How did the student get the gun to shoot up the school? At least here in Aus, the gun would actually have to be secured, not just left out in the open.
  
  Concealed carry permits actually encourage "higher degree" crime. Think of it like this, in Aus, knives of any kind and guns are banned, if someone gets held up, criminal knows they don't have any methods of self defence available so rely more on threats. They don't need anything else.
  In USA, concealed carry means anyone and everyone could well be holding a gun, criminal is going to be a hella lot more twitchy if s/he thinks you're going to pull a gun on them. "Accidents" are a lot more likely. Or just look at all the cases where even slightly more tougher restrictions could have prevented mass murder. A 15 year old student should not under any circumstances be able to get their hands on an automatic. That's just insane.
  
  And for all you americans going on about rights.. Again, Aussie here, I'm not aware of any rights I have constitutionally except possibly the right to own property.. Stop whinging about a politician trying to stop you from getting your hands on army issue weaponry and be grateful you can get away with anything. Go swear at a police officer then plead "freedom of speech". Most places have a lot less leeway for retards to play with.

  30.10.2009 02:16 #39

• DXR88

  Quote:I think you are mistaken about uniformed police and military being the only people allowed to carry guns in the open. Have you ever been to Texas... or virtually any country town during hunting season?i was referring to a Side Arm, Most officers don't go to work with Winchester 30/30. they have a shotgun in the squad car but that is it.
  
  buts its not like you can conceal a rifle now is it.

  30.10.2009 13:49 #40