Adobe on verge of suing Apple?

Adobe on verge of suing Apple?
According to an ITWorld report, Adobe is on the verge of suing Apple, as the two companies continue to battle over Apple's strong rejection of Flash support on their devices.

The report cites "sources close to Adobe" when saying a lawsuit is in the works in the coming weeks.



Over the course of a few months, the niceties between the two companies has broken down, with Apple practically saying Flash is not good enough to be on the iPad and one Adobe developer going as far as to tell Apple to screw itself.

Officially, Adobe is keeping mum on the subject and says it is still creating a Packager for iPhone OS tech, although it has almost been completely banned by Apple thanks to new SDK language which bans cross-platform compilers as the one launched with Adobe Creative Suite 5. Not just targeting Adobe, the new SDK language also blocks Microsoft Silverlight.

Over 70 percent of current videos online use Flash and over 96 percent of all computers currently have the Flash plug-in installed in their browser of choice.

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 14 Apr 2010 22:50
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  • 57 comments

  • supasonic

    So what can they sue them for again? Slander...? I don't see a real case here for some reason, or am I blind to the facts?

    14.4.2010 23:51 #1

  • thebob360

    i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows

    hi mom

    15.4.2010 01:32 #2

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by supasonic: So what can they sue them for again? Slander...? I don't see a real case here for some reason, or am I blind to the facts? They can sue them for getting along just fine without them.

    15.4.2010 01:57 #3

  • KillerBug

    Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.

    If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!

    15.4.2010 02:14 #4

  • mike.m

    Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows I'm surprised Google doesn't do this too. Steve Jobs talks trash about Google and Adobe, yet the most popular apps/softwares on apple's products come from these two companies (Youtube, Google Search/Maps, Photoshop, etc).

    If they really want to get back at Apple, don't sue them, they have tons of money, drop the support of your product on Apple's, that will really give them a beating.


    15.4.2010 02:14 #5

  • nonoitall

    I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess.

    15.4.2010 03:37 #6

  • KillerBug

    Originally posted by nonoitall: I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess. Hehe...I can't say I like either company, but...

    I'll take flash over quicktime any day. (quicktime is free, and I still won't install it)
    I'll take photoshop over any apple photo app. (I can't think of any that are good enough even to compair, other than GIMP...and GIMP is on everything but Android)
    I'll take Premier over any apple video app. (again, I can't think of anything that is apple-exclusive and half as good as the Adobe competition)

    Oh, and Adobe has never made an iPad, iPhone, iPod, iBook, or iMac...so that is 5 more points for adobe.

    15.4.2010 07:25 #7

  • oappi

    Originally posted by nonoitall: I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess. Heh, i think i shall do the same thing.

    Seriously... i don't think it would be good idea for google or adobe to totally cut off the service. Better idea would be to supply "MAC" versions that don't have best features of Pc version. Kinda like we have better product than apple has on mac, but you get even better product if you switch to other operating system. Maybe even go as far as make mac products (serial key) to be compatible with pc version product and get those better features rightaway when you install it on windows.

    Well i am an evil bastard and if apple told that ppl at my firm are lazy i would totally do that if i had the change... no matter how right jobs is he shouldn't have said that.

    15.4.2010 09:26 #8

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.

    If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!     Guess what? The Microsoft Kin does not support Flash, and there's no in-browser support for Silverlight. Also. the Kin does not have IM capabilities.

    A bit odd for a product that's marketed as a "social networking" device, wouldn't you say?

    15.4.2010 11:21 #9

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by oappi: Originally posted by nonoitall: I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess. Heh, i think i shall do the same thing.

    Seriously... i don't think it would be good idea for google or adobe to totally cut off the service. Better idea would be to supply "MAC" versions that don't have best features of Pc version. Kinda like we have better product than apple has on mac, but you get even better product if you switch to other operating system. Maybe even go as far as make mac products (serial key) to be compatible with pc version product and get those better features rightaway when you install it on windows.

    Well i am an evil bastard and if apple told that ppl at my firm are lazy i would totally do that if i had the change... no matter how right jobs is he shouldn't have said that.     Even if people at your firm ARE lazy?

    15.4.2010 11:25 #10

  • TwillieD

    Adobe is not going to sue Apple unless they are the only company forbidden to use a packager for the iPhone - in which case they will win the case hands down.

    15.4.2010 11:26 #11

  • SkateNYC

    "The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539

    As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."

    That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.

    15.4.2010 11:30 #12

  • TwillieD

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: "The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539

    As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."

    That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.     Thanks fanboy

    15.4.2010 11:34 #13

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by SkateNYC: "The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539

    As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."

    That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.     Thanks fanboy     Always happy to help those in need.

    15.4.2010 12:26 #14

  • TwillieD

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by SkateNYC: "The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539

    As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."

    That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.     Thanks fanboy     Always happy to help those in need.     Hahaha - in need of totally unobjective easily dismissed nonsense!

    15.4.2010 12:32 #15

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by SkateNYC: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by SkateNYC: "The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539

    As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."

    That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.     Thanks fanboy     Always happy to help those in need.     Hahaha - in need of totally unobjective easily dismissed nonsense!
    Whatever it is you crave is fine with me.

    15.4.2010 13:27 #16

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by nonoitall: I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess. Hehe...I can't say I like either company, but...

    I'll take flash over quicktime any day. (quicktime is free, and I still won't install it)
    I'll take photoshop over any apple photo app. (I can't think of any that are good enough even to compair, other than GIMP...and GIMP is on everything but Android)
    I'll take Premier over any apple video app. (again, I can't think of anything that is apple-exclusive and half as good as the Adobe competition)

    Oh, and Adobe has never made an iPad, iPhone, iPod, iBook, or iMac...so that is 5 more points for adobe.     Roflmo...+1. "What he said". :D

    Still, it would be interesting to see Adobe only release the new CS5 for Doze and even Linux too (like Maya)... or even just delay it's Mac's release indefinitely. Have you seen some of it's new features? Like the new Content Aware Fill, I mean, that is just astounding (it's shown somewhere on ADs pages.)

    Impulse buying Apple heads might bolt out and get a new DDR3 Core i7 PC with Win7 on SSD and go, "WTF? ...I can put a BR burner/player in this, OC it, have a couple of Vcards employing DirectCompute and upgrade it later if I want... what do you mean it's not more expensive than a Mac?... how many apps?... so these are those, how you say, 'computer games' you speak of!!!... maybe I'll plug it into my giant telly too... I suppose I can get used to more than one mouse button. ...There goes my religion..." :P

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    15.4.2010 14:17 #17

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.

    If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!     Guess what? The Microsoft Kin does not support Flash, and there's no in-browser support for Silverlight. Also. the Kin does not have IM capabilities.

    A bit odd for a product that's marketed as a "social networking" device, wouldn't you say?     I notice that you didn't actually contradict KillerBug there Skat old bean. :P

    Perhaps you aught to think before you go a quotin'... it's not the same as impulse buying. :D

    Quote:As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel... Intel is no stranger to any other platform either... I have an Intel chipset and CPU... big deal. (I plan to marry it into an unholy alliance with an AMD/ATI HD5970.) Apple is playing catch-up as far as Intel is concerned, they're latecomers.

    Light Peak will most probably be available on a PCI card along with USB3 (which will be popular because it's backwards compatible).

    Quote:That (floppy business) was 12 years ago... So why are you banging on about it now?... so what? Apple's hype is exaggerated nowadays. Where would they be without Xerox or even Unix in the first place funboy???

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    15.4.2010 14:24 #18

  • Gneiss1

    Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple... . That's what it did, I believe. We Apple user couldn't help notice that Adobe's fine coding for FlashPlayer 10's installer alone was 2.5 MB uncompressed for Microsoft, 7.4 MB compressed for Apple. Why is this? Sloppy coding must be hard on iPhone.

    Well, when I was a tiny child, I often wondered whether people on television could see me. Adobe is preparing to be the first to bridge the two, which may explain its SDK and GUI with flicking ads. You may have noticed that Adobe has control of whether they can view or hear you. Only 3d-party software gives you control.

    Apple isn't happy, I'm sure, about Adobe's LSOs, which resemble greatly Windows' old ad caches (and can store personal information gathered by FlashPlayer, though it wasn't designed for that.) Again, 3d-party applications can remedy this security vulnerability.

    Apple and Adobe no doubt have unreadable contracts. I can see why Apple,
    keen on slim code, security, and their GUI might have problems with Adobe; and Adobe, dreaming of taking over streaming video finds Apple's attempt to keep them under control irritating.

    Interesting that Flash block's Microsoft Silverlight, which also seems designed to replace television. These are 2d-party developers, with contracts with Apple; and Adobe writes a program that can be viewed along with SilverLight only on Microsoft Windows? Would you be a bit irked if you were Apple? ...and Adobe is going to sue Apple?

    Grateful I have my little library and a fountain pen.

    15.4.2010 16:06 #19

  • meve

    Originally posted by supasonic: So what can they sue them for again? Slander...? I don't see a real case here for some reason, or am I blind to the facts? Yes, you are!

    15.4.2010 16:58 #20

  • meve

    Apple is a totalitarian company. They treat the gadgets they sell as if they still owned them. Of course, in that way they can control every aspect of what their customers can do (or don't) with them even when they no longer have the gadgets in their premises. Something like "cyber-communism"??

    15.4.2010 17:07 #21

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by Jemborg: Originally posted by SkateNYC: Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.

    If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!     Guess what? The Microsoft Kin does not support Flash, and there's no in-browser support for Silverlight. Also. the Kin does not have IM capabilities.

    A bit odd for a product that's marketed as a "social networking" device, wouldn't you say?     I notice that you didn't actually contradict KillerBug there Skat old bean. :P

    Perhaps you aught to think before you go a quotin'... it's not the same as impulse buying. :D

    Quote:As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel... Intel is no stranger to any other platform either... I have an Intel chipset and CPU... big deal. (I plan to marry it into an unholy alliance with an AMD/ATI HD5970.) Apple is playing catch-up as far as Intel is concerned, they're latecomers.

    Light Peak will most probably be available on a PCI card along with USB3 (which will be popular because it's backwards compatible).

    Quote:That (floppy business) was 12 years ago... So why are you banging on about it now?... so what? Apple's hype is exaggerated nowadays. Where would they be without Xerox or even Unix in the first place funboy???     First, why you imagine I wanted to contradict him? As far as I'm concerned, anyone who attaches the term "fanboy" to his argument/perspective/commentary betrays the weakness of his position. Perhaps you ought to think before post? And, what exactly does any of this have to do with what you call "impulse buying?"

    Next, yes, Intel does have relationships with several partners, but few who have the guts or initiative to attempt changing the landscape.

    I'm "banging about it now" (i.e., the thunderous laughter at the introduction of the iMac without a floppy drive) as a means of comparison vis-a-vis how the rabble reacts to "Apple hype." Or did you not know that historical reference is a standard convention in debating?

    As for Xerox and Unix, this is a moot point. Where would Microsoft be without IBM/DOS/and a multitude of PC vendors with suspect quality control?

    What would Burger King be without McDonald's? Chevy without Ford? Peanut butter without jelly? An attack against Apple without the term "fanboy?"

    Plenty of folks could have made the move to check out Zerox PARC which, from its inception, was exclusively a research facility. They never intended to market products based on their creations. And Xerox got a nice financial reward for their efforts:

    Xerox was allowed to buy pre-IPO stock from Apple in exchange for engineer visits and an understanding that Apple would create a GUI product. Much later, in the midst of the Apple v. Microsoft lawsuit in which Apple accused Microsoft of violating its copyright by appropriating the use of the "look and feel" of the Macintosh GUI, Xerox also sued Apple on the same grounds. The lawsuit was dismissed because the presiding judge ruled "that Xerox's complaints were inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons," although apocryphal revisionist history insists that Xerox simply waited too long to file suit, and the statute of limitations had expired. This was not actually true; the dismissal of Xerox' legal complaint was not based simply on late filings, but rather a lack of legal merit to Xerox' case as it was presented.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/24/busine...ple-barred.html

    As for Unix, who bothered to make it the "invisible" OS that powers an elegant GUI? We should blame Apple for their implementation of powerful, available resources? Your suggestion that Apple would be a much different animal (or fruit) without deploying existing technology is both frivolous and redundant.

    The "exaggerated Apple hype" argument is all durm and strang; loud, persistent and significant of nothing. With that, it seems to make some people feel better about themselves to announce this ad nauseum.

    If you're criticizing Apple for their marketing strategies, then that's your issue. No matter how well any individual product is marketed, it cannot succeed unless it at least approaches it's so-called "hype." Your assertions are based on the false premise that tens of millions of people worldwide have been persuaded to purchase overpriced and under-performing gear that they don't need. This is absurd beyond absurdity.

    Snarky responses to factual data are unwarranted, unseemly and cartoonish, further diminishing the credibility their authors.

    “Nothing happens by chance, my friend... No such thing as luck. A meaning behind every little thing, and such a meaning behind this. Part for you, part for me, may not see it all real clear right now, but we will, before long." -- Richard Bach

    15.4.2010 17:20 #22

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by Gneiss1: Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple... . That's what it did, I believe. We Apple user couldn't help notice that Adobe's fine coding for FlashPlayer 10's installer alone was 2.5 MB uncompressed for Microsoft, 7.4 MB compressed for Apple. Why is this? Sloppy coding must be hard on iPhone.

    Well, when I was a tiny child, I often wondered whether people on television could see me. Adobe is preparing to be the first to bridge the two, which may explain its SDK and GUI with flicking ads. You may have noticed that Adobe has control of whether they can view or hear you. Only 3d-party software gives you control.

    Apple isn't happy, I'm sure, about Adobe's LSOs, which resemble greatly Windows' old ad caches (and can store personal information gathered by FlashPlayer, though it wasn't designed for that.) Again, 3d-party applications can remedy this security vulnerability.

    Apple and Adobe no doubt have unreadable contracts. I can see why Apple,
    keen on slim code, security, and their GUI might have problems with Adobe; and Adobe, dreaming of taking over streaming video finds Apple's attempt to keep them under control irritating.

    Interesting that Flash block's Microsoft Silverlight, which also seems designed to replace television. These are 2d-party developers, with contracts with Apple; and Adobe writes a program that can be viewed along with SilverLight only on Microsoft Windows? Would you be a bit irked if you were Apple? ...and Adobe is going to sue Apple?

    Grateful I have my little library and a fountain pen.     It's true, Macs's code is slimmer. Does it make any real difference in the long run?... Nope, not nowadays, it's no big deal.

    I had an Amiga that could run Mac OS and it's apps in a window or a screen faster than a Mac could with the same CPU... in emulation! I often think how brilliant that OS and chipset was and wouldn't it be great if it was still going, still being developed... if the managers had not stolen all the money and fled...

    But that's in the past, it's also about what your computer does or can do, not just how efficient it is.

    Also, if Macs were the real bang-for-buck go all my 3d rendering artist mates would not have moved on to PCs after the demise the Video Toaster (Amiga).

    Ram, power, storage space... these things are much much cheaper nowadays.. unlike Apple would have you believe.

    It baffles me why one does not just build a compatible Hackintosh and run whatever OS they feel like.

    (Before you go off half-cocked again Gneiss1, I'm typing this on an Asus EeePC 1000H netbook in Ubuntu).

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    15.4.2010 17:47 #23

  • TwillieD

    Originally posted by Gneiss1: Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple... . That's what it did, I believe. We Apple user couldn't help notice that Adobe's fine coding for FlashPlayer 10's installer alone was 2.5 MB uncompressed for Microsoft, 7.4 MB compressed for Apple. Why is this? Sloppy coding must be hard on iPhone.

    Well, when I was a tiny child, I often wondered whether people on television could see me. Adobe is preparing to be the first to bridge the two, which may explain its SDK and GUI with flicking ads. You may have noticed that Adobe has control of whether they can view or hear you. Only 3d-party software gives you control.

    Apple isn't happy, I'm sure, about Adobe's LSOs, which resemble greatly Windows' old ad caches (and can store personal information gathered by FlashPlayer, though it wasn't designed for that.) Again, 3d-party applications can remedy this security vulnerability.

    Apple and Adobe no doubt have unreadable contracts. I can see why Apple,
    keen on slim code, security, and their GUI might have problems with Adobe; and Adobe, dreaming of taking over streaming video finds Apple's attempt to keep them under control irritating.

    Interesting that Flash block's Microsoft Silverlight, which also seems designed to replace television. These are 2d-party developers, with contracts with Apple; and Adobe writes a program that can be viewed along with SilverLight only on Microsoft Windows? Would you be a bit irked if you were Apple? ...and Adobe is going to sue Apple?

    Grateful I have my little library and a fountain pen.     LSO's are innocuous and completely controllable from the settings manager of the player.

    Accusing Adobe of being out to get users or control user machines is ridiculous. The same can be said for 'sloppy code' remarks considering the company has provided creative professionals with an outstanding suite of development tools for over two decades.

    Adobe doesn't write a program only viewed on Windows - Apple chooses not to use the hands down best medium for viewing internet content because it can't control it.

    Apparently, not enough time is being spent at your library.

    15.4.2010 17:48 #24

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by meve: Apple is a totalitarian company. They treat the gadgets they sell as if they still owned them. Of course, in that way they can control every aspect of what their customers can do (or don't) with them even when they no longer have the gadgets in their premises. Something like "cyber-communism"?? We live in a democracy. Capitalism allows consumers to buy products, free of choice.

    If you don't like any particular item, then don't buy it, or buy a serviceable alternative.

    This is not about class struggle, social or political ideology, or communism vs. democracy. The more informed the consumer is, the more likely he is to make sound choices. In the end, it's the consumer's responsibility to educate himself prior to making a purchase decision.

    Same holds true for another popular American institution: marriage. If you don't like what you got after tying the knot, you've no one to blame but yourself.

    15.4.2010 17:49 #25

  • TwillieD

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by SkateNYC: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by SkateNYC: "The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539

    As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."

    That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.     Thanks fanboy     Always happy to help those in need.     Hahaha - in need of totally unobjective easily dismissed nonsense!
    Whatever it is you crave is fine with me.     Not what I crave my friend - it's what you typed.

    15.4.2010 17:54 #26

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: First, why you imagine I wanted to contradict him? As far as I'm concerned, anyone who attaches the term "fanboy" to his argument/perspective/commentary betrays the weakness of his position. Perhaps you ought to think before post?... Er.. neither I or Killerbug or thebob360 called you a fanboy Skat. That was someone else.

    Yes, you ended up tacitly agreeing with Killerbug.

    You are living in a romantic past. Apple Mac is your faith and Jobs is your guru.

    I and others on this thread are obviously perfectly aware of our position as consumers and don't need your smug hypocritical lecturing in this regard. Btw, this in an international site, not just for Americans (as is marriage).

    I have no time for the sanctimonious superstitious twaddle of that seagull Richard Bach.

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    15.4.2010 18:09 #27

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by Jemborg: Originally posted by SkateNYC: First, why you imagine I wanted to contradict him? As far as I'm concerned, anyone who attaches the term "fanboy" to his argument/perspective/commentary betrays the weakness of his position. Perhaps you ought to think before post?... Er.. neither I or Killerbug or thebob360 called you a fanboy Skat. That was someone else.

    Yes, you ended up tacitly agreeing with Killerbug.

    You are living in a romantic past. Apple Mac is your faith and Jobs is your guru.

    I and others on this thread are obviously perfectly aware of our position as consumers and don't need your hypocritical lecturing in this regard.

    I have no time for the sanctimonious superstitious twaddle of that seagull Richard Bach.     TwillieD referred to me as "fanboy" whereas you referred to me as "funboy." At least he was honest.

    Now you've chosen to speak for the mob in order bolster your cynical response to my post.

    Faith isn't part of the equation. I use what works for me. This isn't about belief or religion, it's about what makes my life more productive, my living more lucrative, and part of my surplus time more enjoyable.

    I do, however, appreciate your concern.

    15.4.2010 18:19 #28

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: Originally posted by Jemborg: Originally posted by SkateNYC: First, why you imagine I wanted to contradict him? As far as I'm concerned, anyone who attaches the term "fanboy" to his argument/perspective/commentary betrays the weakness of his position. Perhaps you ought to think before post?... Er.. neither I or Killerbug or thebob360 called you a fanboy Skat. That was someone else.

    Yes, you ended up tacitly agreeing with Killerbug.

    You are living in a romantic past. Apple Mac is your faith and Jobs is your guru.

    I and others on this thread are obviously perfectly aware of our position as consumers and don't need your smug hypocritical lecturing in this regard. Btw, this in an international site, not just for Americans (as is marriage).

    I have no time for the sanctimonious superstitious twaddle of that seagull Richard Bach.     TwillieD referred to me as "fanboy" whereas you referred to me as "funboy." At least he was honest.

    Now you've chosen to speak for the mob in order bolster your cynical response to my post.

    Faith isn't part of the equation. I use what works for me. This isn't about belief or religion, it's about what makes my life more productive, my living more lucrative, and part of my surplus time more enjoyable.

    I do, however, appreciate your concern.     I was being honest, you are fun. :D

    You live on past laurals and fatuous improvements like Light Peak etc. Your smug miss-the-point lecturing was becoming asinine... many are trying to inform you that you are limiting your consumer choices and paying too much for the privilege.

    Do what works for you... if you like to have you head in the sand... bully for you.

    If you go quoting Richard Bach as well, expect to be considered "religious" in a metaphorical manner in this regard. For all I know you may worship Ayn Rand.

    You're welcome... again, it's been fun.

    PS: I'm Australian, we like that popular American institution marriage here too. My wife is awesome. :)

    Btw, this site is not in America. :)

    EDIT: Yes, that was my point, I was being deliberately moot concerning Apple achievements in their entirety. Which is why I considered your "standard convention in debating" outdated and... floppy.

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    15.4.2010 18:49 #29

  • tatsh

    Goodbye stupid Flash :) I hated you since the very beginning.

    15.4.2010 21:28 #30

  • xnonsuchx

    Originally posted by tatsh: Goodbye stupid Flash :) I hated you since the very beginning. I don't so much hate Flash as despise its massive overuse.

    16.4.2010 01:21 #31

  • Gneiss1

    Originally posted by meve: Apple is a totalitarian company. They treat the gadgets they sell as if they still owned them. Of course, in that way they can control every aspect of what their customers can do (or don't) with them even when they no longer have the gadgets in their premises. Something like "cyber-communism"?? The first thing I do when buying a new car is remove the manufacturer's chrome, advertisement of its name. (Does 'Microsoft' still have flashy stickers for computers that run it? I thought threads were supposed to end with 'Nazis'.) In any case, I believe you're writing of the wrong operating system, though MS source code could be free now, as their SDK probably is.

    MacOSX's most attractive feature is its simplicity and consistency of use. When they sell a product, it's supposed to offer this. Because the early Jobs Macs were just Unix, graphical workstations you could take to cafés, they came with a open-source code that let you modify most every aspect of the operating system.

    Source code was provided for all but Quicktime & such products, and Apple showed how to recompile GNU/Linux programs to run on your Mac's X11. The 3D graphical language was a growing subset of Silicon Graphic's OpenGL, an industry standard that SG donated to the public, the OS (until 10.4) was BSD 4.3 Unix over a Carnegie Mellon (open-source) Mach kernel (I believe), and the file system was Mac's old open-source HFS, now journaled. Protocols & formats were open-source, international standard, and many (unsecure) MS protocols were added, so one could plug the Mac into any LAN with ease.

    If you don't want to use HP papers with your printer, you can download a host of free, open-source, text PPD files for CUPS and create your own saved, professional settings for any combinations of inks & papers in the world.

    As I wrote, I'm sure its in the contract with 2d-party developers that 'Blip for MacOSX' obey Apple's human guidelines. This violent response by Apple is, IMO, more likely over their trying to keep MacOSX consistent rather than 'punishment'.

    Despite remarks to the contrary, Apple sells hardware. (The OS admittedly sells for 10x the price of the optical medium.)

    When, in 2002, my family asked me to recommend a computer, I recommended Apple. This is because, before the PC, I had decided to stay with Unix (which appeals to me). Because I knew little of modern computing, I chose, for my scientific programming, a free Unix OS (a SunOS or FreeBSD), and computer engineers had designed some for Unix: the cheapest was Apple.

    Because X had been ported to MacOSX 10.2, I could install MacOSX and recompile free programs my family might need from Linux's large archive. More popular than scientific workstations, I might as well program on MacOSX as SunOS; this way I could maintain & tune my family's computer with no extra effort.

    Apple is probably about as far from totalitarian as any commercial computer company you can ever find. (Its little proprietary plugs on iPods & such are irritating, though possibly a necessary.) Although there are many reasons not to choose MacOSX to run applications that perform tasks your fountain pen won't, political reasons are not one of them.

    16.4.2010 01:58 #32

  • Gneiss1

    Originally posted by Jemborg: You live on past laurals and fatuous improvements like Light Peak etc. Your smug miss-the-point lecturing was becoming asinine... many are trying to inform you that you are limiting your consumer choices and paying too much for the privilege.

    Do what works for you... if you like to have you head in the sand... bully for you.

    If you go quoting Richard Bach as well, expect to be considered "religious" in a metaphorical manner in this regard. For all I know you may worship Ayn Rand.

    You're welcome... again, it's been fun.

    PS: I'm Australian, we like that popular American institution marriage here too. My wife is awesome. :)

    Btw, this site is not in America. :)

    EDIT: Yes, that was my point, I was being deliberately moot concerning Apple achievements in their entirety. Which is why I considered your "standard convention in debating" outdated and... floppy.     The remark about 'fanboys' is well taken anyway. One should discuss the merits of products for purposes, and not publish psychological profiles of people from a post, personally demeaning them at the end. Those are of little value to people. (Also, remember to treat Newbie's nicely.)

    Computers were my profession as little as I could manage, so I still use the old procedure of listing what tasks my new programs must do that my fountain pen can't; then finding the operating system that does all these, and does them well; then finding the computer that best runs this operating system and has the proper connectors. Sorry if we end up with Apple.




    16.4.2010 02:16 #33

  • Gneiss1

    Originally posted by TwillieD: LSO's are innocuous and completely controllable from the settings manager of the player.

    Accusing Adobe of being out to get users or control user machines is ridiculous. The same can be said for 'sloppy code' remarks considering the company has provided creative professionals with an outstanding suite of development tools for over two decades.

    Adobe doesn't write a program only viewed on Windows - Apple chooses not to use the hands down best medium for viewing internet content because it can't control it.

    Apparently, not enough time is being spent at your library.     Microsoft didn't write Active-X, advertisement caches in IE and its OSes, its LAN protocol, &c, with the intent that they be used for nefarious purposes. Is IE still banned by the governments of Germany & France? I consequently don't, for example, accuse such a sterling company as Adobe to be 'out to get' users. Others will do that; and Apple will have little control over it on their computers. (After all, the W3C itself created a cache - one which created great internal controversy.)

    Indeed, not enough time is being spent at my library. Fortunately, free security programs such as 'snort' (an NIDS), 'clamav sentry' (an e-mail, security pre-processor), a good backup strategy, & regular maintenance let me normally forget about my tools and focus on the subject. (Better to avoid personal denigrations.)

    Actually, I start all internet lookups with the Wikipedia, and sites of interest are bookmarked (when using MacOSX) on Safari. When browsing elsewhere, I use Firefox, packed to the hilt with Adblock Plus, No Script, SafeCache, WOT, &c.

    PS. The news article was unclear to me whether Adobe's SDK conflicts with SilverLight on just MacOSX or both MacOSX & Windows. I assumed the former. It's not of great interest to me. Perhaps someone can clarify it.

    16.4.2010 02:38 #34

  • pmshah

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: "The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539

    As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."

    That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.     Apple has to have good relations with Intel. What processor will they migrate to if they try to screw with Intel?

    BTW I have not built a single system with a floppy drive in past 8-10 years.

    16.4.2010 02:38 #35

  • TwillieD

    Originally posted by Gneiss1: Originally posted by TwillieD: LSO's are innocuous and completely controllable from the settings manager of the player.

    Accusing Adobe of being out to get users or control user machines is ridiculous. The same can be said for 'sloppy code' remarks considering the company has provided creative professionals with an outstanding suite of development tools for over two decades.

    Adobe doesn't write a program only viewed on Windows - Apple chooses not to use the hands down best medium for viewing internet content because it can't control it.

    Apparently, not enough time is being spent at your library.     Microsoft didn't write Active-X, advertisement caches in IE and its OSes, its LAN protocol, &c, with the intent that it be used for nefarious purposes. I consequently don't, for example, accuse such a sterling company as Adobe to be 'out to get' users. Others will do that; and Apple will have little control over it.

    Indeed, not enough time is being spent at my library. Fortunately, free security programs such as 'snort' (an NIDS), 'clamav sentry' (an e-mail, security pre-processor), a good backup strategy, & regular maintenance let me normally forget about my tools and focus on the subject. (Better to avoid personal denigrations.)



    Last point duly noted :-)

    16.4.2010 02:48 #36

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by Gneiss1: Originally posted by meve: Apple is a totalitarian company. They treat the gadgets they sell as if they still owned them. Of course, in that way they can control every aspect of what their customers can do (or don't) with them even when they no longer have the gadgets in their premises. Something like "cyber-communism"?? The first thing I do when buying a new car is remove the manufacturer's chrome, advertisement of its name. (Does 'Microsoft' still have flashy stickers for computers that run it? I thought threads were supposed to end with 'Nazis'.) In any case, I believe you're writing of the wrong operating system, though MS source code could be free now, as their SDK probably is.

    MacOSX's most attractive feature is its simplicity and consistency of use. When they sell a product, it's supposed to offer this. Because the early Jobs Macs were just Unix, graphical workstations you could take to cafés, they came with a open-source code that let you modify most every aspect of the operating system.

    Source code was provided for all but Quicktime & such products, and Apple showed how to recompile GNU/Linux programs to run on your Mac's X11. The 3D graphical language was a growing subset of Silicon Graphic's OpenGL, an industry standard that SG donated to the public, the OS (until 10.4) was BSD 4.3 Unix over a Carnegie Mellon (open-source) Mach kernel (I believe), and the file system was Mac's old open-source HFS, now journaled. Protocols & formats were open-source, international standard, and many (unsecure) MS protocols were added, so one could plug the Mac into any LAN with ease.

    If you don't want to use HP papers with your printer, you can download a host of free, open-source, text PPD files for CUPS and create your own saved, professional settings for any combinations of inks & papers in the world.

    As I wrote, I'm sure its in the contract with 2d-party developers that 'Blip for MacOSX' obey Apple's human guidelines. This violent response by Apple is, IMO, more likely over their trying to keep MacOSX consistent rather than 'punishment'.

    Despite remarks to the contrary, Apple sells hardware. (The OS admittedly sells for 10x the price of the optical medium.)

    When, in 2002, my family asked me to recommend a computer, I recommended Apple. This is because, before the PC, I had decided to stay with Unix (which appeals to me). Because I knew little of modern computing, I chose, for my scientific programming, a free Unix OS (a SunOS or FreeBSD), and computer engineers had designed some for Unix: the cheapest was Apple.

    Because X had been ported to MacOSX 10.2, I could install MacOSX and recompile free programs my family might need from Linux's large archive. More popular than scientific workstations, I might as well program on MacOSX as SunOS; this way I could maintain & tune my family's computer with no extra effort.

    Apple is probably about as far from totalitarian as any commercial computer company you can ever find. (Its little proprietary plugs on iPods & such are irritating, though possibly a necessary.) Although there are many reasons not to choose MacOSX to run applications that perform tasks your fountain pen won't, political reasons are not one of them.
    Thanks for your excellent summary.

    16.4.2010 10:59 #37

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by Gneiss1: Originally posted by Jemborg: You live on past laurals and fatuous improvements like Light Peak etc. Your smug miss-the-point lecturing was becoming asinine... many are trying to inform you that you are limiting your consumer choices and paying too much for the privilege.

    Do what works for you... if you like to have you head in the sand... bully for you.

    If you go quoting Richard Bach as well, expect to be considered "religious" in a metaphorical manner in this regard. For all I know you may worship Ayn Rand.

    You're welcome... again, it's been fun.

    PS: I'm Australian, we like that popular American institution marriage here too. My wife is awesome. :)

    Btw, this site is not in America. :)

    EDIT: Yes, that was my point, I was being deliberately moot concerning Apple achievements in their entirety. Which is why I considered your "standard convention in debating" outdated and... floppy.     The remark about 'fanboys' is well taken anyway. One should discuss the merits of products for purposes, and not publish psychological profiles of people from a post, personally demeaning them at the end. Those are of little value to people. (Also, remember to treat Newbie's nicely.)

    Computers were my profession as little as I could manage, so I still use the old procedure of listing what tasks my new programs must do that my fountain pen can't; then finding the operating system that does all these, and does them well; then finding the computer that best runs this operating system and has the proper connectors. Sorry if we end up with Apple.



    The days of apologizing for using Apple are long gone. In their stead -- and this is something very obvious to me -- are people posting long explanations in defense of using Microsoft as their primary or exclusive tool(s). This in addition to bashing, belittling and dismissing Apple products and their users.

    Personally, I don't give a wit which OS people use, what they eat for breakfast, or what their favorite color is, and I'm not obsessed with marginalizing them because of their choices. All that energy seems to me pointless and irrelevant.

    16.4.2010 13:43 #38

  • bluedogs

    Originally posted by TwillieD: Adobe is not going to sue Apple unless they are the only company forbidden to use a packager for the iPhone - in which case they will win the case hands down. Not necessarily. If Apple can show they have no use for their prduct or that their product may cause harm or some form of damage to their product then they can not be forced to use it.

    Either way I am still confused on what Apple has done wrong to Adobe, other than tell them how it is, so to speak. Oh well we will soon find out what Adobe gripe is.

    Oh snap, cancel that I just found out

    http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cf...mpaign=20100415

    LOL how lame on both their parts

    Vista HP 64 bit,AMD 9850 x4, 4 Gig Ram,2 x LG DVD Burners, xFx 8800 GTS 640mb, 2x80 and 2 x 120 Gig Hdd SATA, 24" LCD LG Monitor

    16.4.2010 21:53 #39

  • john_swan

    Remenber the LOOK AND FEEL lawsuits Apple filed. Xerox put a stop to the LOOK AND FEEL lawsuits.

    Apple and Adobe should be able to sit down and talk about this business opprotunity.

    John Swanson

    16.4.2010 22:51 #40

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by john_swan: Remenber the LOOK AND FEEL lawsuits Apple filed. Xerox put a stop to the LOOK AND FEEL lawsuits.

    Apple and Adobe should be able to sit down and talk about this business opprotunity.     And how did Xerox do that?

    16.4.2010 23:16 #41

  • john_swan

    The technology was developed by Xerox not Apple.

    John Swanson

    16.4.2010 23:23 #42

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by john_swan: The technology was developed by Xerox not Apple. And, as so often happens with Apple, they developed and deployed the technology in ways that no one else could or was willing to do.

    Xerox PARC was exclusively a research facility when it began operations in 1970. Xerox was paid handsomely for their contributions to Apple in the form of pre-IPO stock in Apple. This was prior to the "LOOK AND FEEL lawsuits" filed by Apple.

    After Apple succeeded in transforming parts of PARC's research into usable products, Xerox got pissed and sued them. The suit was dismissed, in part due to Xerox' profiting greatly in the exchange.


    16.4.2010 23:48 #43

  • KillerBug

    Instead of arguing about the capabilities of the computers in school computer labs from 20 years ago, why not judge based on current (or at least recent) products?

    Anyway, who cares if apple removed the floppy drive because they thought that flash drives would take off? They were virtually non-existant when that system was released, so it was a bad choice...it is a bit like if microsoft removed support for USB 2.0 drives because USB 3.0 drives are the future.

    ...And who cares about the earliest bits of GUI from the days of DOS? It was useless, and the memory required made those systems cost $10,000 anyway.

    Apple is an overcontrolling company. This is a fact. If you can't see it, you are not paying attention...you can install windows on a Mac, but macOS is designed not to install on PCs...'nuff said? The only good software available for MacOS are ports of windows and linux software...and even then, the software company must write the port and submit it (along with a bribe) to apple in order to get it approved. If it does anything well, Apple will block the release to prevent your product from making their products look bad.

    Is microsoft a good company? No, but at least they don't make PCs...and they don't mind you having choices, so long as the micorosoft choice is the default.

    17.4.2010 04:22 #44

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by KillerBug: Instead of arguing about the capabilities of the computers in school computer labs from 20 years ago, why not judge based on current (or at least recent) products? "Anyway, who cares if apple removed the floppy drive because they thought that flash drives would take off? They were virtually non-existant when that system was released, so it was a bad choice..."



    Apple didn't "remove" the floppy drive because they thought that flash drives would take off, at least not for the short term. They left it out because the use of CD's was gaining favor in place of the fragile, low-capacity diskettes. The rest of the industry seemed to "care," as they soon followed suit. The popularity of the iMac spoke, and continues to speak, for itself. Your conception of what constitutes a "bad idea" is contaminated by your biases.



    >>...it is a bit like if microsoft removed support for USB 2.0 drives because USB 3.0 drives are the future.<<


    A very small bit, if at all. Apple didn't introduce a better diskette reader; they took a bold and successful step towards what was, to Apple, the future in this regard.



    >>...And who cares about the earliest bits of GUI from the days of DOS? It was useless, and the memory required made those systems cost $10,000 anyway.<<



    Don't know what this comment refers to.



    >>Apple is an overcontrolling company. This is a fact.<<




    This "fact" is your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.



    >>If you can't see it, you are not paying attention...you can install windows on a Mac, but macOS is designed not to install on PCs...<<



    Apparently, my inattention has proven beneficial to both me and Apple.



    >>...'nuff said?<<




    In the case of your disjointed and non-factual arguments, this was true some time ago.




    >>The only good software available for MacOS are ports of windows and linux software...and even then, the software company must write the port and submit it (along with a bribe) to apple in order to get it approved. If it does anything well, Apple will block the release to prevent your product from making their products look bad.<<


    Paranoia will destroya.



    >>Is microsoft a good company? No, but at least they don't make PCs...and they don't mind you having choices, so long as the micorosoft choice is the default.<<



    Microsoft is good at what they do best. They get themselves in trouble when they stray from this; they become unfocused and disorganized when this happens.


    17.4.2010 12:21 #45

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by Jemborg: Originally posted by Gneiss1: Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by thebob360: i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple... . That's what it did, I believe. We Apple user couldn't help notice that Adobe's fine coding for FlashPlayer 10's installer alone was 2.5 MB uncompressed for Microsoft, 7.4 MB compressed for Apple. Why is this? Sloppy coding must be hard on iPhone.

    Well, when I was a tiny child, I often wondered whether people on television could see me...

    Grateful I have my little library and a fountain pen.     It's true, Macs's code is slimmer. Does it make any real difference in the long run?... Nope, not nowadays, it's no big deal.

    I had an Amiga that could run Mac OS and it's apps in a window or a screen faster than a Mac could with the same CPU... in emulation! I often think how brilliant that OS and chipset was and wouldn't it be great if it was still going, still being developed... if the managers had not stolen all the money and fled...

    But that's in the past, it's also about what your computer does or can do, not just how efficient it is.

    Also, if Macs were the real bang-for-buck go all my 3d rendering artist mates would not have moved on to PCs after the demise the Video Toaster (Amiga).

    Ram, power, storage space... these things are much much cheaper nowadays.. unlike Apple would have you believe.

    It baffles me why one does not just build a compatible Hackintosh and run whatever OS they feel like.

    (Before you go off half-cocked again Gneiss1, I'm typing this on an Asus EeePC 1000H netbook in Ubuntu).     Did you see that above Gneiss1? I have yet to get back to that other thread too mate, very busy, but I haven't forgotten...

    Crikey, don't you see? I do source and purpose build rigs, to run whatever my clients want. It's one of the things I do for a living. And I'm bloody good at it. I just turned fifty the other day btw.

    Why do you insist I'm promoting M$ if I say I don't like Apple's PCs (which is what we used to call them... they are all still PCs to me. What, do you call a PC running Linux then, like this netbook I'm on?)

    The real competition is in the software, not the hardware. It's about availing yourself to that market place. Not just Apple's limited one (note: you can run XP on Macs now, now why is that? I have lost count of the number of Apple fanatics posting how they do that now.)

    A current project is for a water-cooled render workstation built specifically for running Maya. My client hasn't decided on his OS yet. Though he used to be an enthusiastic MacHead back in their heyday, the mid nineties (mine was Amiga then, as I said), he's tossing up between Linux64 or XP64 or Win7-64. I'm pretty sure his rig won't run the Mac OS, as it's LGA1366 I could suggest it to him if you'd like, don't think he'll go for it... he's considering how,say, Direct Compute is going impact his work, not viruses and defragging, or slim code niceties.

    I see Macs as a maker of slick gizmo's (none of which have much appeal for me... I can see how others like them) but not as a maker of serious PCs any-more.

    My problem is working out how I'm gonna fit this ATI HD5970 my wife bought me for my fiftieth into my mATX home theatre system {I tell a lie... I've already worked it out :) }. Struth, what sort of fun is a Mac when you can have this?...




    Also props to KillerBug's last post.

    Also,also, props to john_swan too for re-reminding us of Xerox's pivotal contribution to all PCs. (see? I'm nice to this newbie).

    EDIT: Heh, I just realise I use floppies still (actually floppy formatted USB sticks) for flashing a certain console... how backward of me. :D

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    17.4.2010 13:15 #46

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by SkateNYC:
    Microsoft is good at what they do best. They get themselves in trouble when they stray from this; they become unfocused and disorganized when this happens.
    What the...?

    Oh LOL. You didn't...

    ...you did!

    ROFLMAO

    Oh please, dissect my above post (the one just above this one... number 46... the one with the pic... in case you can't find it... it's a video graphics card btw). :D

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    17.4.2010 13:53 #47

  • leglessoz

    I say just let Apple ban everything that comes from Adobe and watch its profits take a nose-dive into the ground as people stop using and buying Apple products.

    Basically I don't really care what Apple does or doesn't do as its products have no place in my life.

    18.4.2010 07:34 #48

  • SkateNYC

    Another reason to shun Flash:

    Flash Delayed Until 2H 2010, Android Tablet Makers Weep


    http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/04/18/...d-tablets-weep/

    18.4.2010 13:23 #49

  • SkateNYC

    "Jean-Louis Gassée (a former Apple executive) proposes a simple thought-experiment: "By the end of 2010, there will be more than 100 million iPhone OS devices (iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad). You're the webmeister at an important content site. The boss comes in and asks you why you're not supporting the iPhone OS devices. 'Our stuff is all Flash-based, chief, those guys don't run Flash'. You're about to become the ex-webmeister. The boss, a really patient sort, asks you to 'think different' about all these 'noncompliant' customers, each of whom has an iTunes account backed by a credit card, and has developed the habit (encouraged by Apple) of paying for content. So, one more time, with feeling: what's your answer?"


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/201...ple-iphone-ipad

    18.4.2010 13:41 #50

  • Paula_X

    Jem.. I remember and loved cbm/amiga.. but they died for the same reasons we see now from crapple and microshit.... monopolistic behaviour and proprietary closed source programs.. from 90% of the home computer market to a distant memory in 3 years.. Then again.. back then consumers actually had brains and weren't going to be treated like sheep by some company out to rip them of every possible penny for a "brand" image..

    I'm neutral.. I don't own anything from these monopolists.. they can both go to the wall tomorrow and I won't care.

    http://en.windows7sins.org/

    18.4.2010 13:59 #51

  • SkateNYC

    Originally posted by Paula_X: Jem.. I remember and loved cbm/amiga.. but they died for the same reasons we see now from crapple and microshit.... monopolistic behaviour and proprietary closed source programs.. from 90% of the home computer market to a distant memory in 3 years.. Then again.. back then consumers actually had brains and weren't going to be treated like sheep by some company out to rip them of every possible penny for a "brand" image..

    I'm neutral.. I don't own anything from these monopolists.. they can both go to the wall tomorrow and I won't care.
    I agree. I was also an early Amiga user.

    No product is perfect, and harping on "what's missing" or what falls short for any individual is misguided adventure in futility.

    What's "perfect" it's what's perfect for you.

    18.4.2010 15:25 #52

  • bluedogs

    LOL Jemborg you are an Aussie

    "Struth"

    LOL, if that ain't Aussie I don't know what is.

    Vista HP 64 bit,AMD 9850 x4, 4 Gig Ram,2 x LG DVD Burners, xFx 8800 GTS 640mb, 2x80 and 2 x 120 Gig Hdd SATA, 24" LCD LG Monitor

    19.4.2010 06:10 #53

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by bluedogs: LOL Jemborg you are an Aussie

    "Struth"

    LOL, if that ain't Aussie I don't know what is.     Heh. Dinki Di mate. My old man was in Tobruk and all. :)

    I also say "Crikey" too... but in a more expletive manner... not in the Steve Irwin expressive way.

    As in, "Crikey, when will these gullible MacHeads ever get over the past!" :P

    PS: You must have been in need of a laugh after that last effort over Interpol. I had that god-bothering fool challenging me to a dual... what a pointless waste of time that would be! "Yay, and thou shall smite the heathen and leave nought but ashes in his mouth"... oh puleeze. I almost shat myself from laughing. ROFL.

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    19.4.2010 16:43 #54

  • scifenefics

    Windows 7 rulez!!! love it, got a mac lappy too it also rulez!
    but had to buy a pc comp for the power and software that isnt on the mac.

    But I have to say I am very impressed win 7, kicks the Apple OS, least for a while. Been a web developer Apple is threatening to make yrs of work and my expensive studies obsolete. And I havent even finished :( I hate you now apple, you just lost a customer.

    23.4.2010 09:36 #55

  • Jemborg

    Originally posted by Paula_X: Jem.. I remember and loved cbm/amiga.. but they died for the same reasons we see now from crapple and microshit.... monopolistic behaviour and proprietary closed source programs.. from 90% of the home computer market to a distant memory in 3 years.. Then again.. back then consumers actually had brains and weren't going to be treated like sheep by some company out to rip them of every possible penny for a "brand" image..

    I'm neutral.. I don't own anything from these monopolists.. they can both go to the wall tomorrow and I won't care.     Well, I tend to be a pragmatist about it nowadays Paula. It's like having refused to eventually use VHS because Beta was the better format.

    As you know I like gaming as well.

    I know Windows didn't use a unix basis, it is what it is. There's still an excellent array of software on it. And the new Win7x64 does seem a real improvement by all accounts.

    Ideally, I plan to use a triple boot with Win7x64, XPx86 and (probably) YourBumToo Linux.

    There's still a lot of talk about new Amigas or variants Paula. One site (and I'm buggered if I can find it again) has these A500 style poots that seem to be able to run any sort of OS... including Mac OSX.

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: What's "perfect" it's what's perfect for you. @Skat "perfection" is one of those anti-concepts I run a mile from. If you think not having access to the widest range of software possible (including most games), an inability to upgrade your system without buying a whole new one and that paying through the nose for the privilege is near "perfection"... you need your head examined.

    Its a lot easier being righteous than right.


    25.4.2010 13:10 #56

  • john_swan

    Originally posted by Jemborg: Originally posted by Paula_X: Jem.. I remember and loved cbm/amiga.. but they died for the same reasons we see now from crapple and microshit.... monopolistic behaviour and proprietary closed source programs.. from 90% of the home computer market to a distant memory in 3 years.. Then again.. back then consumers actually had brains and weren't going to be treated like sheep by some company out to rip them of every possible penny for a "brand" image..

    I'm neutral.. I don't own anything from these monopolists.. they can both go to the wall tomorrow and I won't care.     Well, I tend to be a pragmatist about it nowadays Paula. It's like having refused to eventually use VHS because Beta was the better format.

    As you know I like gaming as well.

    I know Windows didn't use a unix basis, it is what it is. There's still an excellent array of software on it. And the new Win7x64 does seem a real improvement by all accounts.

    Ideally, I plan to use a triple boot with Win7x64, XPx86 and (probably) YourBumToo Linux.

    There's still a lot of talk about new Amigas or variants Paula. One site (and I'm buggered if I can find it again) has these A500 style poots that seem to be able to run any sort of OS... including Mac OSX.

    Originally posted by SkateNYC: What's "perfect" it's what's perfect for you. @Skat "perfection" is one of those anti-concepts I run a mile from. If you think not having access to the widest range of software possible (including most games), an inability to upgrade your system without buying a whole new one and that paying through the nose for the privilege is near "perfection"... you need your head examined.     Install VirtualBox and play in a virtual machine. Virtual machines are unreal. This concept frees up a lot of computer hardware and could save you a bundle of money.

    John Swanson

    26.4.2010 00:10 #57

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