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Apple writing a Flash alternative?

AppleInsider is reporting that Apple is writing a new alternative to Flash, dubbed Gianduia.

The technology was first introduced last summer and is being described as "a client-side, standards-based framework for rich Internet apps."



Apple has been using the tech in its retail support applications, including its "One to One" program, the iPhone reservation system and programs for the Genius Bar.

Gianduia makes sense for Apple, considering it has practically banned Adobe Flash from its "i" devices. The company says it will support HTML5, JavaScript and CSS instead.

Adobe, feeling spited by the move, has complained to the FTC, saying Apple's behavior in regards to Flash is in violation of anti-trust laws.

You can read more on the ongoing Apple vs. Adobe "battle" here: Apple vs. Adobe Round 2: Steve Jobs and Shantanu Narayen duke it out

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 8 May 2010 21:28

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• Josipher

  great just another load of poo from crapple..we dont need your stupid propietary we need a way to view common flash on the ipod-or iphone to whoever has one

  9.5.2010 08:17 #1

• ZippyDSM

  If it dose not play flash its worthless......
  

  Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
  Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
  http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/

  9.5.2010 11:09 #2

• beanos66

  still won't replace flash just like silverlight hasn't, and web designers won't just change from flash to glandula
  
  P.S.
  did they call it glandula coz it's obese and full of crap
  
  P.P.S.
  yes, I know they are I's but come on...

  9.5.2010 11:25 #3

• rosedog

  there is no "i" in team(player)

  9.5.2010 11:41 #4

• ZippyDSM

  Like there is no brains in zippy.....bbaawwwwiiiaannnnsssssss.....*shuffle shuffle*
  

  Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
  Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
  http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/

  9.5.2010 11:49 #5

• Amak

  Originally posted by beanos66: still won't replace flash just like silverlight hasn't, and web designers won't just change from flash to glandula
  Don't doubt that. This is Apple after all.
  

  9.5.2010 15:40 #6

• KillerBug

  Originally posted by Amak: Originally posted by beanos66: still won't replace flash just like silverlight hasn't, and web designers won't just change from flash to glandula
  Don't doubt that. This is Apple after all. How bout this then: Will still be terrible like quicktime, will have almost no support, but will be pushed by the morons at apple forever...again, just like QuickTime.

  10.5.2010 02:30 #7

• ville30

  Great, another technology enabling the monopoly that is Apple.
  

  10.5.2010 09:57 #8

• robertmro

  Maybe this will get Adobe to make some much needed improvements to Flash.

  13.5.2010 07:31 #9

• Seanspade

  Originally posted by Josipher: great just another load of poo from crapple..we dont need your stupid propietary we need a way to view common flash on the ipod-or iphone to whoever has one HA!!! Adobe Flash is proprietary! It costs $700 to buy JUST FLASH from Adobe, and then build with it, whereas HTML, CSS, and Javascript are all open platforms. Even Microsoft has stood behind Apple on this one.
  
  Why use some companies buggy, crappy, platform, when you can have a universal version that can write, and use anything without having to go to Adobe.com to download a 'player' which can crash browsers, and inject viruses?
  
  You've gotta be smoking crack on this one. I have iMobileCinema installed on my iPad, and iPhone for Flash, but when they start supporting real video like HTML5 on most websites, the loading times, players, and content will drastically improve.
  
  Can't wait.

  13.5.2010 10:40 #10

• Seanspade

  Originally posted by ville30: Great, another technology enabling the monopoly that is Apple. Really? Microsoft was a monopoly, Apple doesn't monopolize anything. You have a choice between any platform you want, including the free linux.
  
  How does using an open, free platform help a monopoly? Flash is company owned, whereas the new standards won't be.
  
  This means if you were to create your own device, and implement HTML5, CSS, and javascript, you couldn't be sued, or hurt, or ever have to worry about someone claiming you are infringing, whereas Adobe owns Flash completely, and all of it's content.

  13.5.2010 10:44 #11

• Seanspade

  Being someone that has hated Apple for years, this is a huge shock to me for Apple to be making such as awesome move in the right direction.
  
  From refreshing hardware every 200 days on average, to offering replacement plans, and buyback value on every device, they have far surpassed what it is to buy from Apple.
  
  We can now build our websites completely in a text editor with simple image, and video hosting plans, and not have to worry about crashes, or not having the newest version of an already expensive software provided by Adobe.
  
  I can buy a computer 5 years old for $200, and built the entire Best Buy website now, with no extra money, and no extra software. It's a good day for freedom when even Apple admits that open source, and open platforms will ultimately make it easier for developers to get where they need to be, without having to upgrade from a new macbook pro, to a new macbook pro every other day.
  
  WOW.

  13.5.2010 10:48 #12

• TwillieD

  Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by ville30: Great, another technology enabling the monopoly that is Apple. Really? Microsoft was a monopoly, Apple doesn't monopolize anything. You have a choice between any platform you want, including the free linux.
  
  How does using an open, free platform help a monopoly? Flash is company owned, whereas the new standards won't be.
  
  This means if you were to create your own device, and implement HTML5, CSS, and javascript, you couldn't be sued, or hurt, or ever have to worry about someone claiming you are infringing, whereas Adobe owns Flash completely, and all of it's content. Wrong on all counts - Apple monopolizes anything they possibly can, what new standards are you talking about? and Adobe owns none of the content created by developers using Flash - attempt to interject a modicum of objectivity before commenting please.

  13.5.2010 10:53 #13

• TwillieD

  Originally posted by Seanspade: Being someone that has hated Apple for years, this is a huge shock to me for Apple to be making such as awesome move in the right direction.
  
  From refreshing hardware every 200 days on average, to offering replacement plans, and buyback value on every device, they have far surpassed what it is to buy from Apple.
  
  We can now build our websites completely in a text editor with simple image, and video hosting plans, and not have to worry about crashes, or not having the newest version of an already expensive software provided by Adobe.
  
  I can buy a computer 5 years old for $200, and built the entire Best Buy website now, with no extra money, and no extra software. It's a good day for freedom when even Apple admits that open source, and open platforms will ultimately make it easier for developers to get where they need to be, without having to upgrade from a new macbook pro, to a new macbook pro every other day.
  
  WOW. Hard to follow what you're saying - apple has always made good computers, we could create websites using a text editor since the internet began (which include flash movies made for free with third party software), and choosing not to use an up-to-date machine is quaint, possibly eclectic, but not savvy, convenient, or productive.
  
  Wow is right.

  13.5.2010 11:01 #14

• Seanspade

  Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by ville30: Great, another technology enabling the monopoly that is Apple. Really? Microsoft was a monopoly, Apple doesn't monopolize anything. You have a choice between any platform you want, including the free linux.
  
  How does using an open, free platform help a monopoly? Flash is company owned, whereas the new standards won't be.
  
  This means if you were to create your own device, and implement HTML5, CSS, and javascript, you couldn't be sued, or hurt, or ever have to worry about someone claiming you are infringing, whereas Adobe owns Flash completely, and all of it's content. Wrong on all counts - Apple monopolizes anything they possibly can, what new standards are you talking about? and Adobe owns none of the content created by developers using Flash - attempt to interject a modicum of objectivity before commenting please. Adobe owns flash, please don't be a retard. Adobe own TOS policy states that they can make changes to any way flash is used, or whatever platform it is consumed on. So much for all that dribble. Hence if you use a certain player to play certain files, Adobe can choose when those files are not allowed by providing updates to the player (as they do every week), or deciding how the browser can view them. You are required 3rd party (adobe) software on your PC or Mac to view the flash files (unlike the 3 open platforms, which are based on browser updates, which are secure).
  
  What new standards? HTML5 (open), CSS (open), Javascript (open).
  
  By the way, your last sentence asks me to attempt to throw in a small amount of opposition before commenting? I did.
  
  So much for trying to sound smart.
  

  - I like cheese.

  13.5.2010 11:01 #15

• Seanspade

  Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Being someone that has hated Apple for years, this is a huge shock to me for Apple to be making such as awesome move in the right direction.
  
  From refreshing hardware every 200 days on average, to offering replacement plans, and buyback value on every device, they have far surpassed what it is to buy from Apple.
  
  We can now build our websites completely in a text editor with simple image, and video hosting plans, and not have to worry about crashes, or not having the newest version of an already expensive software provided by Adobe.
  
  I can buy a computer 5 years old for $200, and built the entire Best Buy website now, with no extra money, and no extra software. It's a good day for freedom when even Apple admits that open source, and open platforms will ultimately make it easier for developers to get where they need to be, without having to upgrade from a new macbook pro, to a new macbook pro every other day.
  
  WOW. Hard to follow what you're saying - apple has always made good computers, we could create websites using a text editor since the internet began (which include flash movies made for free with third party software), and choosing not to use an up-to-date machine is quaint, possibly eclectic, but not savvy, convenient, or productive.
  
  Wow is right.
  You can create a website with interactive content since the internet began? Really? WOW.
  
  Tell me how! Being a web developer for such a large firm for 11 years now, I would love to hear why my whole company has been relying on paying me so much more than they should.
  
  My company is Flash only. ONLY. New product? I have to insert it, and update our site using Flash. FLASH. CS5 does not run on 5 year old PCs. Savvy? Wait what? Convenient? Sure as hell is. Not paying $2000 for a new computer sounds convenient as hell to me. Productive? Seriously? You are saying it's more productive to restrict the world to buying a new computer to run CS5 at a good speed, instead of letting anyone make sites that are breathtaking without having to pay out of the butt to keep their site on the newest standards?
  
  How old are you?
  

  - I like cheese.

  13.5.2010 11:07 #16

• TwillieD

  Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by ville30: Great, another technology enabling the monopoly that is Apple. Really? Microsoft was a monopoly, Apple doesn't monopolize anything. You have a choice between any platform you want, including the free linux.
  
  How does using an open, free platform help a monopoly? Flash is company owned, whereas the new standards won't be.
  
  This means if you were to create your own device, and implement HTML5, CSS, and javascript, you couldn't be sued, or hurt, or ever have to worry about someone claiming you are infringing, whereas Adobe owns Flash completely, and all of it's content. Wrong on all counts - Apple monopolizes anything they possibly can, what new standards are you talking about? and Adobe owns none of the content created by developers using Flash - attempt to interject a modicum of objectivity before commenting please. Adobe owns flash, please don't be a retard. Adobe own TOS policy states that they can make changes to any way flash is used, or whatever platform it is consumed on. So much for all that dribble. Hence if you use a certain player to play certain files, Adobe can choose when those files are not allowed by providing updates to the player (as they do every week), or deciding how the browser can view them. You are required 3rd party (adobe) software on your PC or Mac to view the flash files (unlike the 3 open platforms, which are based on browser updates, which are secure).
  
  What new standards? HTML5 (open), CSS (open), Javascript (open).
  
  By the way, your last sentence asks me to attempt to throw in a small amount of opposition before commenting? I did.
  
  So much for trying to sound smart.
  You were asked to use objectivity not opposition - your posts are absent of any
  
  HTML5 has no standards yet and won't for a while
  
  Dribble is what you do when playing basketball - drivel is what you're contributing to this forum with your posts when using personal attacks in an attempt to strengthen a point that has no substance.
  
  Provide the text and link for the legal language that Adobe supposedly uses to claim ownership or any rights to content created with any of their software.
  
  Also provide a single litigated example of Adobe attempting to dictate in any way how a developer can produce and release content with their software

  13.5.2010 11:15 #17

• Seanspade

  Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by ville30: Great, another technology enabling the monopoly that is Apple. Really? Microsoft was a monopoly, Apple doesn't monopolize anything. You have a choice between any platform you want, including the free linux.
  
  How does using an open, free platform help a monopoly? Flash is company owned, whereas the new standards won't be.
  
  This means if you were to create your own device, and implement HTML5, CSS, and javascript, you couldn't be sued, or hurt, or ever have to worry about someone claiming you are infringing, whereas Adobe owns Flash completely, and all of it's content. Wrong on all counts - Apple monopolizes anything they possibly can, what new standards are you talking about? and Adobe owns none of the content created by developers using Flash - attempt to interject a modicum of objectivity before commenting please. Adobe owns flash, please don't be a retard. Adobe own TOS policy states that they can make changes to any way flash is used, or whatever platform it is consumed on. So much for all that dribble. Hence if you use a certain player to play certain files, Adobe can choose when those files are not allowed by providing updates to the player (as they do every week), or deciding how the browser can view them. You are required 3rd party (adobe) software on your PC or Mac to view the flash files (unlike the 3 open platforms, which are based on browser updates, which are secure).
  
  What new standards? HTML5 (open), CSS (open), Javascript (open).
  
  By the way, your last sentence asks me to attempt to throw in a small amount of opposition before commenting? I did.
  
  So much for trying to sound smart.
  You were asked to use objectivity not opposition - your posts are absent of any
  
  HTML5 has no standards yet and won't for a while
  
  Dribble is what you do when playing basketball - drivel is what you're contributing to this forum with your posts when using personal attacks in an attempt to strengthen a point that has no substance.
  
  Provide the text and link for the legal language that Adobe supposedly uses to claim ownership or any rights to content created with any of their software.
  
  Also provide a single litigated example of Adobe attempting to dictate in any way how a developer can produce and release content with their software Nice try. Dribble is what happens when someone retarded attempts to speak, and saliva drips from their lips.
  
  You are asking me to provide proof that Adobe has, and definitely will block the use of their software if it's an old version without support? Or if they provide updates which can render players, and browsers without the newest format useless?
  
  I'm done today.
  

  - I like cheese.

  13.5.2010 11:30 #18

• TwillieD

  Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Being someone that has hated Apple for years, this is a huge shock to me for Apple to be making such as awesome move in the right direction.
  
  From refreshing hardware every 200 days on average, to offering replacement plans, and buyback value on every device, they have far surpassed what it is to buy from Apple.
  
  We can now build our websites completely in a text editor with simple image, and video hosting plans, and not have to worry about crashes, or not having the newest version of an already expensive software provided by Adobe.
  
  I can buy a computer 5 years old for $200, and built the entire Best Buy website now, with no extra money, and no extra software. It's a good day for freedom when even Apple admits that open source, and open platforms will ultimately make it easier for developers to get where they need to be, without having to upgrade from a new macbook pro, to a new macbook pro every other day.
  
  WOW. Hard to follow what you're saying - apple has always made good computers, we could create websites using a text editor since the internet began (which include flash movies made for free with third party software), and choosing not to use an up-to-date machine is quaint, possibly eclectic, but not savvy, convenient, or productive.
  
  Wow is right.
  You can create a website with interactive content since the internet began? Really? WOW.
  
  Tell me how! Being a web developer for such a large firm for 11 years now, I would love to hear why my whole company has been relying on paying me so much more than they should.
  
  My company is Flash only. ONLY. New product? I have to insert it, and update our site using Flash. FLASH. CS5 does not run on 5 year old PCs. Savvy? Wait what? Convenient? Sure as hell is. Not paying $2000 for a new computer sounds convenient as hell to me. Productive? Seriously? You are saying it's more productive to restrict the world to buying a new computer to run CS5 at a good speed, instead of letting anyone make sites that are breathtaking without having to pay out of the butt to keep their site on the newest standards?
  
  How old are you? Please read the posts before you reply - it will help you draft sensible responses.
  
  There is very little that has changed with HTML, CSS, and Javascript since 1999 when you claim to have starting developing. They have and will hopefully continue to mature as the internet grows older.
  
  Using antiquated technology of any kind comes at a price of power, convenience, speed, etc. - cars, phones, televisions, music players. Using a five year old computer vs. a relatively new machine will impact a users experience even when viewing a website built with HTML5.

  13.5.2010 11:35 #19

• TwillieD

  Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by TwillieD: Originally posted by Seanspade: Originally posted by ville30: Great, another technology enabling the monopoly that is Apple. Really? Microsoft was a monopoly, Apple doesn't monopolize anything. You have a choice between any platform you want, including the free linux.
  
  How does using an open, free platform help a monopoly? Flash is company owned, whereas the new standards won't be.
  
  This means if you were to create your own device, and implement HTML5, CSS, and javascript, you couldn't be sued, or hurt, or ever have to worry about someone claiming you are infringing, whereas Adobe owns Flash completely, and all of it's content. Wrong on all counts - Apple monopolizes anything they possibly can, what new standards are you talking about? and Adobe owns none of the content created by developers using Flash - attempt to interject a modicum of objectivity before commenting please. Adobe owns flash, please don't be a retard. Adobe own TOS policy states that they can make changes to any way flash is used, or whatever platform it is consumed on. So much for all that dribble. Hence if you use a certain player to play certain files, Adobe can choose when those files are not allowed by providing updates to the player (as they do every week), or deciding how the browser can view them. You are required 3rd party (adobe) software on your PC or Mac to view the flash files (unlike the 3 open platforms, which are based on browser updates, which are secure).
  
  What new standards? HTML5 (open), CSS (open), Javascript (open).
  
  By the way, your last sentence asks me to attempt to throw in a small amount of opposition before commenting? I did.
  
  So much for trying to sound smart.
  You were asked to use objectivity not opposition - your posts are absent of any
  
  HTML5 has no standards yet and won't for a while
  
  Dribble is what you do when playing basketball - drivel is what you're contributing to this forum with your posts when using personal attacks in an attempt to strengthen a point that has no substance.
  
  Provide the text and link for the legal language that Adobe supposedly uses to claim ownership or any rights to content created with any of their software.
  
  Also provide a single litigated example of Adobe attempting to dictate in any way how a developer can produce and release content with their software Quote:Nice try. Dribble is what happens when someone retarded attempts to speak, and saliva drips from their lips. Not what you meant though - clean up you act when posting - thanks for yet another example of drivel
  
  Quote:You are asking me to provide proof that Adobe has, and definitely will block the use of their software if it's an old version without support? Or if they provide updates which can render players, and browsers without the newest format useless? I asked you neither - you were asked to substantiate your points and you can't.

  13.5.2010 11:46 #20

• juventini

  Why is Apple such a control FREAK?
  

  Forza Juve!!

  13.5.2010 19:50 #21