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Apple continues to kick Adobe

According to Engadget, Apple has taken its fight with Adobe to another level, purposely not pre-installing Flash on all new Mac computers starting with the recently launched second generation MacBook Air.

Apple's reasoning behind the decision is: "The best way for users to always have the most up to date and secure version is to download it directly from Adobe."



While the decision does have a point, Apple is forcing extra work on its customers by removing the pre-install.

The easiest way Apple could have ensured Flash would stay up to date would be to add the plug-in into the auto-updater.

For now, new Mac owners will have to head over to Adobe and make sure they download the latest version of Flash. That is if they want to watch over 90 percent of videos on the Internet.

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 22 Oct 2010 15:04

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• ROMaster2

  Sounds like the case of the butthurt.
  
  It'd be entertaining to see Adobe pull upcoming products for Macs, they'd burn fast.

  22.10.2010 15:13 #1

• WierdName

  I could be wrong but doesn't Adobe make a lot of media centered software that is a selling point for Macs? One of the main reasons I hear from people trying to justify the huge cost of a Mac is that they accel in media editing and production and I thought Adobe made quite a bit of high selling software in that area.
  

  Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
  "Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

  22.10.2010 15:34 #2

• kikzm33z

  Flash is what the iDevices need.
  
  But no, Jobs has to be an ass and stops us from using our iDevices to its best.
  

  22.10.2010 15:36 #3

• stuntman_

  I don't think this is a big deal. I guess maybe since apple customers are so retarded downloading a plug in might be a little difficult for them. But whatever not really a big deal I don't see why it deserves an article
  

  
  
  
  

  22.10.2010 15:52 #4

• kikzm33z

  Originally posted by stuntman_: I don't think this is a big deal. I guess maybe since apple customers are so retarded downloading a plug in might be a little difficult for them. But whatever not really a big deal I don't see why it deserves an article Well, it's been an ongoing bitching between the two companies and you can see, Jobs is making a fool of himself but doing such a stupid and childish thing.
  So this article was made to see how much of a pansy Jobs is, how he can't let go of things and now we can laugh at him.
  
  Thank fook for jailbreaking on iDevices. And I'm sure that no one is so retarded that they can't do 3-4 clicks to download Flash.
  

  22.10.2010 15:54 #5

• toked

  Hmm, I wonder what's "better for the customers," as Jobs was ranting about. Making decisions for the customer to make their lives easier, as he argued earlier, or letting the customer do it themselves, making it "more fragmented like Android?"
  
  

  22.10.2010 16:12 #6

• dcmorrow

  This is total nonsense. Apple is streamlining the OS and not distributing 3rd party add-ons or plugins. This coming at the same time Java is also being fazed out.
  
  Stop trying to say Apple is doing something to, or hurting Adobe. In the PC world you have to get your own plug-ins. Frankly I think I prefer it that way. I want to be in more control of what I install.
  
  Look, Steve is known to buddy with Larry. Yet no-one is saying Apple against Java or Oracle over that faze out.
  
  Apple is not against Adobe, it's all apart of a plan that would happen regardless of personal or corporate relationships.
  
  If anything Apple is bedding down with HTML5. Let's see where that goes. In the mean time you can get your plug-ins the same way that rest of the industry gets them, and should, directly from the publisher's website.
  
  Calm down everyone nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

  22.10.2010 16:50 #7

• tatsh

  Kill Flash!
  
  Apple is attempting to send a message to the industry as a whole NOT to support proprietary codecs like Flash (and likely Silverlight). Support standards like HTML5,CSS,SVG (the real alternative to Flash/Silverlight),JS. Apple has replaced Flash with <canvas> essentially on OS X with the widgets. And if it had not been for that they might've used Flash or maybe even Silverlight. These strange plugin things to run content are a little much and add extra weight to ANY site on ANY platform.
  
  I think if Adobe wants in they need to fix the battery problems associated with Flash. As in, it is a memory hog and always has been. Why else would those quality settings be there in the right-click (even now in 2010)?
  
  Adobe proved even worse to Apple when the port of Flash to OS 9 had horrible performance in comparison to Windows. Flash at the time was heavily optimised for x86, while Apple computers at the time were on PPC.
  
  There is a history here. Jobs is tired of Adobe being lazy on what is essentially HIS platform. I am half with Apple here only because Flash is faulty on Linux at times too (they were so lazy they took forever to make a 64-bit Flash, killed it once, now brought it back and who knows if they'll kill it again). Generally speaking, if your content is in Flash (or anything related), I'm not interested.

  22.10.2010 16:52 #8

• dcmorrow

  Originally posted by stuntman_: I don't think this is a big deal. I guess maybe since apple customers are so retarded downloading a plug in might be a little difficult for them. But whatever not really a big deal I don't see why it deserves an article These aren't retarded Apple customers who are complaining. They are non Apple customers who want to prove that Apple's rotten.
  
  FUD I say.

  22.10.2010 16:53 #9

• dcmorrow

  Quote:Flash Player 10.1 is not currently available for your 64-bit web browser.
  64-bit Windows and Mac computers include 32-bit browsers that are compatible with Flash Player. For instructions on how to open a compatible browser and run Flash Player, see Flash Player on 64-bit operating systems. Yeah, PC's are so hard to code for. 2010, still no 64-bit flash on Windows.

  22.10.2010 16:59 #10

• DXR88

  Originally posted by dcmorrow: Quote:Flash Player 10.1 is not currently available for your 64-bit web browser.
  64-bit Windows and Mac computers include 32-bit browsers that are compatible with Flash Player. For instructions on how to open a compatible browser and run Flash Player, see Flash Player on 64-bit operating systems. Yeah, PC's are so hard to code for. 2010, still no 64-bit flash on Windows. hardly any 64-bit anything, you'd think high bandwidth & crunching apps would be in 64-bit.
  

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  22.10.2010 18:25 #11

• DXR88

  Originally posted by kikzm33z: Originally posted by stuntman_: I don't think this is a big deal. I guess maybe since apple customers are so retarded downloading a plug in might be a little difficult for them. But whatever not really a big deal I don't see why it deserves an article Well, it's been an ongoing bitching between the two companies and you can see, Jobs is making a fool of himself but doing such a stupid and childish thing.
  So this article was made to see how much of a pansy Jobs is, how he can't let go of things and now we can laugh at him.
  
  Thank fook for jailbreaking on iDevices. And I'm sure that no one is so retarded that they can't do 3-4 clicks to download Flash. you'd take that back if you saw my cousin, dumb as a sack of bricks.
  

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  22.10.2010 18:27 #12

• KillerBug

  This really isn't an attack on Adobe...it isn't hard to download Flash; you usually get a link on the video page if it is not installed already. Sure, the next generation of MAC will not be able to install software except from the Mac App Store, but the internet will only be about 85% flash videos by then.
  
  Originally posted by DXR88: hardly any 64-bit anything, you'd think high bandwidth & crunching apps would be in 64-bit. Do you really want a version of flash that uses more than 4GB of memory? That is the only thing that would be gained by using it with a 64bit browser.
  
  Originally posted by WierdName: I could be wrong but doesn't Adobe make a lot of media centered software that is a selling point for Macs? One of the main reasons I hear from people trying to justify the huge cost of a Mac is that they accel in media editing and production and I thought Adobe made quite a bit of high selling software in that area. Yes...Adobe ports almost all of their software for Windows over to Mac. These apps work better on a windows PC, yet MAC users use them as justification to spend 2-3 times more on a MAC to get the same performance.
  
  Most Adobe apps have 64bit versions (at least on PC)...but the apps that are designed to never go anywhere near 4GB memory usage tend to be left as 32bit.
  
  ...And it would be awesome to see Adobe pull their software from Macs...something tells me that the digital arts community would start buying PCs rather than using bootcamp for everything, and the rest of the Mac users are going to the iPad anyway.

  22.10.2010 23:31 #13

• Jobs (unverified)

  If I were adobe I'll put stop on Photo Shop for Mac all together.
  
  That how you win in this industry!

  23.10.2010 01:14 #14

• DXR88

  Originally posted by KillerBug: Do you really want a version of flash that uses more than 4GB of memory? That is the only thing that would be gained by using it with a 64bit browser. i'm sorry, didn't know web browsing was considered number crunching and used a relatively high amount of bus width.
  
  times a changing though.
  
  
  

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  23.10.2010 01:49 #15

• biglo30

  Actually there is a beta version of flash player for 64 bit browsers, I am using it now as we speak on internet explorer 8.
  

  23.10.2010 14:51 #16

• xnonsuchx

  So Apple included Flash pre-installed on all other Macs??? Last time I checked, no 3rd party plugin (or ANY 3rd party software) was pre-installed on Macs (though that was probably back when Safari 3 was current), so I hardly see this 'story' as any issue worth whining about.

  24.10.2010 18:52 #17

• bobiroc

  Big Deal.. Go to the internet and download it. That is the way it should be.
  

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  24.10.2010 23:47 #18

• dcmorrow

  Originally posted by biglo30: Actually there is a beta version of flash player for 64 bit browsers, I am using it now as we speak on internet explorer 8. Beta is not an option for many people. The message I posted from Adobe, is true and and accurate. Technically they do not offer or support an official release of Flash for x64 IE.
  
  It does not matter how much RAM you have, it's a matter of an architecture that does not have proper support.
  
  At this point x64 Win7 is a bag of hurt. It's 98% compatible with everything, but the 2% tends to be mission critical apps in the corporate environment. 32bit app support is a stop gap, but it's Microsoft meeting legacy.
  
  The vendors need to step up and that's where I say Adobe has been lazy with Flash. I think it's taking too long.

  25.10.2010 00:49 #19

• smitty623

  Oh, Apple, you make me giggle sometimes...
  

  26.10.2010 08:27 #20