Microsoft unveils Windows 8

This afternoon, Microsoft unveiled Windows 8, the upcoming operating system that should be a complete overhaul from Windows 7, released in 2009.

The goal of the OS, Microsoft says, is for users to have the same great experience whether they are on a tablet or on a desktop.

Microsoft showed off a new start screen that looks reminiscent of the tile-based UI of Windows Phone 7.

All programs can be viewed as tiles, and clickable with a mouse, or with the touch of a finger.

Windows 8 will also run two types of apps. The first are standard Windows apps while the others are HTML5/Javascript apps and should be optimized for tablets because they are "web-powered."

The OS will bring a touch interface, an app market, backwards compatibility, and an easier way for developers to share in revenue.

For those with lower-end systems, Microsoft says W8 will use less resources than even Windows 7.

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 1 Jun 2011 23:18

ROMaster2

Just allow me to have a NORMAL User Interface, please.

1.6.2011 23:40 #1

21Q

Uhhh. I scrolled past this thinking it was something about windows mobile 7 ... what is this crap?

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2.6.2011 00:01 #2

DVDBack23

Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously.

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2.6.2011 00:07 #3

21Q

Double post, somehow.

I watched the video. I don't really like the ui. Seems like a cluttered mess. I do like how the snap works here though.

2.6.2011 00:09 #4

KillerBug

uGGH...It looks terrible...and it looks worse after watching the video.

"The goal of the OS, Microsoft says, is for users to have the same great experience whether they are on a tablet or on a desktop."

What? Tablets have terrible user experiences, and M$ tablets are the worse of the bunch...you want to bring that experience to PC?

...And those apps; he made a big point out of the fact that they can access files on the hard drive and the LAN? Apps could do that in windows 3.1!

Thankfully, it appears that you can turn off all the bulls**t and just use it as windows...although I am not sure why you couldn't just use windows 7 for that.

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2.6.2011 00:53 #5

WTF1234567 (unverified)

This new UI seems similar to Window Media Center as its an added interface over the existing OS UI to access the media content (video/music) except Windows 8 allows access to all types of content.

2.6.2011 01:19 #6

Hyasuma

er...Window OS SUCK

2.6.2011 01:45 #7

MrPuffin

okay tablets are cool and so are the operating systems they run

but for gods sake design tablet os's around tablet features and desktop pc's around desktop features and not cross them

i like the windows phone 7 ui on the phone but not on a desktop

right now i'm kinda pissed at the way mac and windows development is going and will probably stick with win 7 and mac 10.6

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2.6.2011 02:07 #8

lamain

Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.

2.6.2011 03:09 #9

KillerBug

Recent M$ consumer operating system releases:

Windows 2000 - The first consumer form of NT; it was great other than a lack of a 64-bit version
Windows ME - The worst of all the Win9x variants.
Windows XP - Almost as good as 2000, and with a 64bit version...once Windows 2000 drivers got rare, XP became king.
Windows Vista - The worst of all the NT variants with the possible exception of 3.5
Windows 7 - The best x64 Windows ever made

What does the pattern up to this point tell you about Windows 8?

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2.6.2011 04:48 #10

shortybob

NOT upgrading. Ever.

2.6.2011 04:58 #11

SevenVW

If I had a 52" Touch screen I may use this, but I like Win 7 and OSX so if this is what M$ is going to be pusing looks like Mac will have all of my business.

2.6.2011 05:07 #12

KillerBug

No reason to give Mac your business...OSX might be better than windows 8, but it isn't better than windows 7. For that matter, Ubuntu is better than OSX; if offers a lot more capabilities than OSX, with (mostly) the same limitations as OSX. OSX doesn't even support bluray...that is just pathetic. Oh, and Ubuntu is free, with free updates...forever.

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2.6.2011 05:16 #13

evohold

Personally I'm looking forward to it because I'm ready for a new Windows makeover. As much as I like Windows 7 and how well it works this looks like something new not just another facelift. I don't understand all the negativity and pessimism about this. Change is inevitable. As with any product you have a choice of purchasing it or not. I see it as a new option that some will like and some won't. Don't like it don't use it. It's interesting how change activates the fear response in some people. With fear comes anger and hatred. Looking for more optimism in this world...

2.6.2011 09:27 #14

ST2006

Originally posted by evohold: Personally I'm looking forward to it because I'm ready for a new Windows makeover. As much as I like Windows 7 and how well it works this looks like something new not just another facelift. I don't understand all the negativity and pessimism about this. Change is inevitable. As with any product you have a choice of purchasing it or not. I see it as a new option that some will like and some won't. Don't like it don't use it. It's interesting how change activates the fear response in some people. With fear comes anger and hatred. Looking for more optimism in this world... But with PCs you don't mess about. New operating systems means limits are forced on the older OS (7) - and so people who want to stick with 7 cuz it's the better OS will eventually get left behind on what they can do with it!

PCs are people's livelihoods and what they need to make their money - you don't change the whole way you interact with it therefore unless it really and truly is going to help the end-user!

2.6.2011 09:47 #15

brockie

seems quite nice to me.

2.6.2011 10:34 #16

A5J4DX

ugly ugly ugly damn you microsoft

2.6.2011 11:41 #17

brockie

@ST2006 if everyone thought like that we would still be on windows XP we have to move with the technology now.

2.6.2011 12:47 #18

g_slide

This is a really bad User Interface and works better for a Mobile phone or Tablet, but not for a Desktop/Laptop.

Windows 3+ = was better than using DOS, but still sucked.
Windows 95 = sucked but was a new style of OS from the old OS 3+ era.
Windows 98 = was at least better than OS 95 but was somewhat more stable.
Windows ME = horrible OS
Windows XP = was ok but had it faults
Windows Vista = was horrible
Windows 7 = was the best improvement they ever made
Windows 8 = horrible interface design and not thinking of Desktop/Laptop interface.

As we all know they make one good OS and then the next one sucks. So that is why Windows 8 will fail as we can see from the video and the timeline above. Stick with Windows 7 or wait for them to create Windows 9 immediately after 8 because they will receive a lot of complaints from peeople

2.6.2011 12:48 #19

Mr_Bill06

I don't like how they have the tablet style OS start first. They should let users have a choice to have the old style OS or the new tablet styled start up. I don't have a touch screen for my desktop computers and it seems that it would be a bigger pain to navigate the new tablet interface of Windows 8 with a mouse and keyboard. Those with a touch screen would love this, big icons and lots of finger gestures to make work quick, again mouse and keyboard probably not so much.

2.6.2011 12:57 #20

SomeBozo

Windows 8 looks very nice as for UI, but sorry i need to get my work done. The pretty look and feel will definitely be as much of a pain in the ass as it looks pretty. If i want to arrange windows i'm going to need to drag, pause, wait and only then get what i wanted to do... With a mouse today i do that in less then a second, now you will probably need to wait 2 or 3 seconds and hope the window will be arranged as i wanted it?

I think someone else mentioned this looks great for a win 7 phone UI, or for a mobile device, but not a PC.

2.6.2011 12:59 #21

IPRFenix

Seriously, this looks terrible.
This would be acceptable on a phone or tablet.
But on a netbook, laptop, or desktop? Hell no.

I've seen a quite a few tablet and PMP ui's, and I've always, always thought, I'd much rather have a "lite" version of Windows 7 OS instead. I've found most portable device UIs "useable", but far from "likeable". Perhaps that's just me? But I really don't like this.

2.6.2011 13:13 #22

evohold

Don't base all your opinions from this article. There is more info out there about Windows 8.

For example: �We also showed effortless movement between existing Windows programs and new Windows 8 apps. The full capabilities of Windows continue to be available to you, including the Windows Explorer and Desktop, as does compatibility with all Windows 7 logo PCs, software and peripherals.�- microsoft

You can still use it like the Windows 7 if you choose. I would enjoy being able to switch between both for different uses.

2.6.2011 13:26 #23

SomeBozo

It seems what is shown gives on enough of what Win8's flavor and design is. From that point i think we all have seen enough to see it tastes like chocolate (for example). After this i don't care what variant you might have light chocolate, dark, bakers, semi-sweet, milk chocolate.... Point is if you don't like a flavor other variations of it would still be something you don't like.

2.6.2011 13:52 #24

xyqo

This looks AWESOME a touch interface for windows 7 brilliant!!
Nice way to shaft us M$... I mean I really do like it but come on we all know its just windows 7 touch edition

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2.6.2011 16:03 #25

louispq

OS companies should stop worrying about the interface of their products. They should instead concentrate on the performance and the capabilities of their systems to make them more productive. Stop reinventing the wheel.

As for a tablet interface it looks perfect, but that does not mean that the desktop and laptops should get that enabled on default.

2.6.2011 16:48 #26

KillerBug

I think a big part of the issue is that microsoft has forgotten that some people use PCs for things that you can't do with a tablet. Then again, it is no secret that tablets will be replacing PCs in many homes in the coming years, and that the devices that we call PCs today will become rather rare; especially as cloud capabilities improve. It is possible that Microsoft is actually thinking of leaving the traditional PC sphere; as tablets take more of the industry, versions of windows for traditional PC hardware will make less and less money; they might just dump PC and let Linux gobble up the last few crumbs of the market.

As long as all the crap in the video is just something like media center, where it can be turned off or even completely removed, I won't hold it all against them...but the video seemed to make it look like explorer is a program running within the new UI.

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2.6.2011 23:46 #27

Azuran

Originally posted by KillerBug: Recent M$ consumer operating system releases:

Windows 2000 - The first consumer form of NT; it was great other than a lack of a 64-bit version
Windows ME - The worst of all the Win9x variants.
Windows XP - Almost as good as 2000, and with a 64bit version...once Windows 2000 drivers got rare, XP became king.
Windows Vista - The worst of all the NT variants with the possible exception of 3.5
Windows 7 - The best x64 Windows ever made

What does the pattern up to this point tell you about Windows 8?
first thing I thought of after reading the title.

3.6.2011 00:50 #28

jackalguy

I'm actually thrilled to see the functionality and style of this shell. I'm currently using the Omnimo 3 skin for Rainmeter on Windows 7, and it looks fairly similar to this (google it). I was skeptical at first about the functionality of such a UI, but with a bit of customization, including macroing 3D document flip, as well as Logitech's application switcher, to my mouse, I effectively rendered the taskbar useless and put it on autohide to give a sleek seemless UI. After all, on a daily basis most users simply sit down at their desk, open their browser, facebook, google, games, media, etc, all of which can easily be accessed by such an interface, and tiles can be included for more advanced options, such as RSS feeds, CPU/GPU/Memory monitors, comp manager, regedit, event viewer, etc. As long as Microsoft makes this shell customizable, or at least somewhat flexible, I have great expectations.

3.6.2011 04:27 #29

robertmro

I don't see anything wrong with Windows 8.
Microsoft is just trying to catch up with the rest of the world.
The video is very funny though. A really 'out of it' baldheaded guy saying things like we're going to show you some "really cool stuff" in a room that looks like a dump with a huge large screen TV monitor.
God bless them, it takes real balls to be that clueless and proud of it.

3.6.2011 08:10 #30

keith1993

If you want a Windows desktop you'll stick with Vista or 7. If you want a newer operating system you'll buy a Mac or swap to Linux, If you want a tablet you'll buy one running a Tablet OS. Who are they selling this to?

3.6.2011 10:22 #31

elitepunk

Did you dudes honestly all go to WiNDOWS 7 already..? Personally i can't stand the OS, and usually find myself still using XP SP2 lol XD...i mean...the os sucks...i cant stand its taskbar, and the pointless bloatware included..just my opinion tho..feel free to play directx-11 only games! i guess thats one place im missing out, but lucky me, there hasn't been a game that is directx 10/11 exclusive that i even wanna play.

3.6.2011 10:22 #32

jimbucc

Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out.
Windows 8 to me has a lot of promise. MS is catching up in the tablet market and making its OS tablet friendly. I can admire that and see its potential.
But for my needs, it isn't important. It needs to be as stable as Win7 and hopefully has some improvements in stability, speed, and security. Getting my customers to use Win8 because it has these tablet enhancements won't be a big sell. What will sell is improvements in the OS that will help them work more efficiently. I am interested in what else they have planned for Windows 8.

3.6.2011 10:41 #33

randyckay (unverified)

Taking example on a UI that failed to sell more than 1% of the smartphone market is indeed a very dumb thing to do. Hail to another Vista. Myself, will wait for Windows 9 to upgrade, this would be when they will have noticed their mistake!

3.6.2011 10:52 #34

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by DVDBack23: Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously. I did and yes it looks like crap!

I saw some beta shots before this tile garbage and thought wow that might be nice but there is no way I'll move to this Start menu tile shat, no way! And I garantee you businesses won't be interested in this shat either!!

Quote:jimbucc,
Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out. No, Windows 7 has problems several as a matter of fact but it is a good OS over all. XP is hands down the best MS OS to date.

3.6.2011 11:31 #35

hearme0

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by DVDBack23: Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously. I did and yes it looks like crap!

I saw some beta shots before this tile garbage and thought wow that might be nice but there is no way I'll move to this Start menu tile shat, no way! And I garantee you businesses won't be interested in this shat either!!

Quote:jimbucc,
Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out. No, Windows 7 has problems several as a matter of fact but it is a good OS over all. XP is hands down the best MS OS to date. And....your comment is clearly biased and without merit and just lame. Show your experience buddy. I'm 37 and have been in IT solidly since 98 and can say without question that while XP was a great system, Win7 is by far more effective, stable and proficient at "today's computing".

Go blow.

3.6.2011 12:19 #36

killer1on

Microsoft, NO. Bad Microsoft.

3.6.2011 12:41 #37

DVDBack23

I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however.

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3.6.2011 12:47 #38

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1 word: GARBAGE

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3.6.2011 12:55 #39

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by hearme0: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by DVDBack23: Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously. I did and yes it looks like crap!

I saw some beta shots before this tile garbage and thought wow that might be nice but there is no way I'll move to this Start menu tile shat, no way! And I garantee you businesses won't be interested in this shat either!!

Quote:jimbucc,
Windows 7 is a great OS. I have never had one problem with it and I do some pretty intensive work on it. It is the best OS that Microsoft has put out. No, Windows 7 has problems several as a matter of fact but it is a good OS over all. XP is hands down the best MS OS to date. And....your comment is clearly biased and without merit and just lame. Show your experience buddy. I'm 37 and have been in IT solidly since 98 and can say without question that while XP was a great system, Win7 is by far more effective, stable and proficient at "today's computing".

Go blow. I'm older than you by a lot and have been in IT/compuuters well before you were even born, plus I'm an Electrical Engineer so my experience and most likely knowledge is much more than yours obviously.

Your blow is just that!

3.6.2011 12:57 #40

elitepunk

TELL IT LIKE IT IS MR-MOVIES...

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3.6.2011 13:42 #41

jackalguy

Originally posted by DVDBack23: I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however. Agree 100%. I find it baffling that people still insist that XP was -- and always will be -- the greatest OS of all time. I can count on one hand how many times Windows 7 x64 or Vista x64 have BSOD'd on me, and I build systems, so the majority have been from overclocking. XP on the other hand... It goes back to the point about your hardware. Of course operating systems going forward are going to utilize higher end hardware, that's just the evolution of technology. If you don't own that higher end hardware, you can't use that as an excuse to bash an operating system you can't optimize.

3.6.2011 14:09 #42

MDEnce

I hope you can disable the WP7 tiles for regular desktops for a Win Vista/7 feel.
The "snap" looks cool though - just hope it supports multiple monitors!

3.6.2011 14:12 #43

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by jackalguy: Originally posted by DVDBack23: I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however. Agree 100%. I find it baffling that people still insist that XP was -- and always will be -- the greatest OS of all time. I can count on one hand how many times Windows 7 x64 or Vista x64 have BSOD'd on me, and I build systems, so the majority have been from overclocking. XP on the other hand... It goes back to the point about your hardware. Of course operating systems going forward are going to utilize higher end hardware, that's just the evolution of technology. If you don't own that higher end hardware, you can't use that as an excuse to bash an operating system you can't optimize. Totally wrong and I build and support people in business and homes. Windows 7 will BSOD just as easily as XP but even worst if your System partition gets corrupt. Then you'll spend possibly hours trying to recover which may or may not be successful. There are many other negatives as well about Seven which I could go into but I'm sure it would be wasted time as you are most probably enamored by pretty more than stability. XP went well over a decade that is unheard of in the past and totally supports the statement that XP is the best OS so far.

I don't use XP anymore with exception to VM's and I like Seven for the most part but that doesn't make Seven better just because it has new features. We will see how long Seven lasts but I doubt it will be more than 10 years.

I always hate people that like something based on the fact it is new, just because it is new! :)

3.6.2011 14:50 #44

omegaman7

I like the interface the way it is. Windows 7 is awesome, 8 is not. I probably won't even do beta testing. But who knows. I've probably only seen a small percentage of the capabilities ;) And if it's even less of a resource hog, I find that interesting. But Linux is also NOT very resource intensive. Never tried it though. I really should :S

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3.6.2011 14:54 #45

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by omegaman7: I like the interface the way it is. Windows 7 is awesome, 8 is not. I probably won't even do beta testing. But who knows. I've probably only seen a small percentage of the capabilities ;) And if it's even less of a resource hog, I find that interesting. But Linux is also NOT very resource intensive. Never tried it though. I really should :S Before this tile crap I saw snaps shots that were pretty cool and good enhancements to the Seven GUI so if you can get rid of the original Start screen by tweaking, it might be worth while, I will beta test it and hopefully you can get rid of the nonsense.

3.6.2011 15:25 #46

gilboa

Win8 how about at least finishing work on Win7. The Directx SDK is still only able to program for DirectX9 although Win7 uses DirectX11. I would think that achieving compatibility between the OS and development environments should be a first priority. Why force programmers to desert MS for something like SlimDX.

3.6.2011 17:02 #47

sasrob

god know why MS hit the console market. they should of just put the pc gaming on the map. hope this new OS will move gaming on the pc forward..

3.6.2011 17:06 #48

gilboa

Originally posted by sasrob: god know why MS hit the console market. they should of just put the pc gaming on the map. hope this new OS will move gaming on the pc forward.. I have no interest in gaming

3.6.2011 17:14 #49

omegaman7

I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p

3.6.2011 17:18 #50

gilboa

Originally posted by omegaman7: I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p I am more concerned that my work on HDTV multimedia development is impeded by the lack of development tools equivalent to the operating system. Win7 is great. DirectX9 and the SDK which developers are limited to requires targeting 32 bit processors. The only development solution for 64bit is SlimDX. Microsoft has to support development equivalent to their OS. They should finish their work on Win7 before pushing out Win8. One of the great powers of XP was the development that continued over a long period of time!

3.6.2011 17:29 #51

gilboa

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by jackalguy: Originally posted by DVDBack23: I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know. Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on. Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be. Most people who bashed it never owned it, let alone tried it. If you had a dual-core computer with 2GB RAM and removed the UAC, chances are you didn't have too many problems with Vista.

Windows 8 is moving where the world is moving, touch + social. It is time to embrace change. Is it really so hard to do ONE extra click to get back to your regular computer desktop from the Win 8 start screen? No. That extra millisecond will likely not make a difference in anyone's life, yet brings a host of new options and widgets.

I am not a Microsoft fanboy by any means (I think they are a poorly run company that has killed value for their shareholders for years now) but Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 will be hits. The timeframe for that WP7 statement is up for debate, however. Agree 100%. I find it baffling that people still insist that XP was -- and always will be -- the greatest OS of all time. I can count on one hand how many times Windows 7 x64 or Vista x64 have BSOD'd on me, and I build systems, so the majority have been from overclocking. XP on the other hand... It goes back to the point about your hardware. Of course operating systems going forward are going to utilize higher end hardware, that's just the evolution of technology. If you don't own that higher end hardware, you can't use that as an excuse to bash an operating system you can't optimize. Totally wrong and I build and support people in business and homes. Windows 7 will BSOD just as easily as XP but even worst if your System partition gets corrupt. Then you'll spend possibly hours trying to recover which may or may not be successful. There are many other negatives as well about Seven which I could go into but I'm sure it would be wasted time as you are most probably enamored by pretty more than stability. XP went well over a decade that is unheard of in the past and totally supports the statement that XP is the best OS so far.

I don't use XP anymore with exception to VM's and I like Seven for the most part but that doesn't make Seven better just because it has new features. We will see how long Seven lasts but I doubt it will be more than 10 years.

I always hate people that like something based on the fact it is new, just because it is new! :)
I retain XP on a dual boot machine as there are still things I cannot do with Win7.

3.6.2011 17:39 #52

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by gilboa: Originally posted by omegaman7: I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p I am more concerned that my work on HDTV multimedia development is impeded by the lack of development tools equivalent to the operating system. Win7 is great. DirectX9 and the SDK which developers are limited to requires targeting 32 bit processors. The only development solution for 64bit is SlimDX. Microsoft has to support development equivalent to their OS. They should finish their work on Win7 before pushing out Win8. One of the great powers of XP was the development that continued over a long period of time! You mean like they did going from Vista to 7? This whole mess is getting Vista to what it should have been in the first place. If MS wasn't so big and had better management we wouldn't have this mess to begin with.

Now on the other hand it really shouldn't be MS's place for developement kits for programming. Good program packages should provide their own kits that run on multiple platforms. This is partially what is wrong with the new .NET style of programming.

3.6.2011 17:39 #53

gilboa

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by gilboa: Originally posted by omegaman7: I don't game much myself, but it's nice to have a machine that can, when I want to :p I am more concerned that my work on HDTV multimedia development is impeded by the lack of development tools equivalent to the operating system. Win7 is great. DirectX9 and the SDK which developers are limited to requires targeting 32 bit processors. The only development solution for 64bit is SlimDX. Microsoft has to support development equivalent to their OS. They should finish their work on Win7 before pushing out Win8. One of the great powers of XP was the development that continued over a long period of time! You mean like they did going from Vista to 7? This whole mess is getting Vista to what it should have been in the first place. If MS wasn't so big and had better management we wouldn't have this mess to begin with.

Now on the other hand it really shouldn't be MS's place for developement kits for programming. Good program packages should provide their own kits that run on multiple platforms. This is partially what is wrong with the new .NET style of programming. Agreed!

3.6.2011 17:46 #54

sharee100

Originally posted by DVDBack23: Did you guys even watch the video? This OS looks FANTASTIC, seriously. I watched the video and did not see one thing I would use. I have my pc hooked up to my tv and dont need touch screen. I dont use Media Center either. It is easier to go look at my files (organized the way I want them)in their folders and list of programs rather than icons or buttons. I use Tab launchpad from Stardock to organize all my desktop shortcuts and keep my desktop clear except for a clock, calendar, and cpu meter.

3.6.2011 18:22 #55

tony69181

Hey nice video Microsoft

Does this mean if i run out buy Windows 8 you will give me a free touch screen monitor? What percent of users has a touch screen mmmm less then 10% . Lets go back to when windows was designed for the average user and you actually cared for what we wanted .Its bad enough you put crap within windows now that i would never use even in the basic version. lets go back to windows 3.1 now there was a new generation born and it was useful. Did not use much space on hard drive,hardly any resources were used and oh yes less sloppiness on the programmers side who valued hard drive space.Now it seems fit that you want to use as much as our hard drives with your sloppy programming, even your updates are are sloppy.When you send an update out Mr Microsoft we do not need another one to patch the bloody update you just sent us. NEW CONCEPT MR MICROSOFT A decent operating system that allows our computer resources to be used other then running your sloppy programmed WINDOWS.

Anthony

3.6.2011 18:40 #56

bdaleypsu

What a fugly POS! They've got to be kidding.

M$ finally got it right with Windows 7, now they're going to ruin their desktop OS in the next version?

No way I will buy that. I'll stick with Windows 7 and Linux.

3.6.2011 21:14 #57

jackalguy

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it's my understanding that this is simply an optional shell, and not the only option for the GUI. So all of this freaking out seems much ado about nothing, quite frankly. If you don't like the WP7-esque interface, don't use it. Good thing you have options, right?

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one"

-George Bernard Shaw

3.6.2011 23:26 #58

omegaman7

I heard the same. The video in this unveiling is simply an option for the OS. Something they probably hope will spread like wild fire. But I"m sure most techies will not use this feature as much as MS hopes they will. I'm sure there are tens of thousands who will use the feature, but the majority probably won't. Windows 7 is just fine. It has the right bling factor, and it isn't TOO resource intensive. If Windows 8 can run in a windows 7 mode, I'll rethink my previous statement. Because if it uses even less resources, it's a no brainer to upgrade ;) I have multiple programs that would benefit from windows using less Ram/Cpu cycles.

4.6.2011 00:47 #59

FredBun

Originally posted by ROMaster2: Just allow me to have a NORMAL User Interface, please.
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I second that big time, I watched the whole damn thing, they have got to be kdding me, I don't want to be using a tablet interface with my desktop, I don't know what these guys were smoking but I want some of it.

4.6.2011 02:34 #60

omegaman7

This type of interface does have it's purposes, but on a desktop? I don't think so. Unless a person is addicted to that type of style. Myself, I like the classic start menu, windows, searches, etc. I could be just as happy with XP, given a few tweaks. But windows 7 does have built in speech recognition. And it does work fairly well. I run it fairly often. I must admit though, Dragon naturally speaking is slightly better at least! Perhaps I'm simply used to that coding though. The way the commands are dictated and what not.
That settles it. I'm gonna have to test the beta! :D I can't judge an OS that hasn't been fully tested!

4.6.2011 02:41 #61

jimmer

don't like the tablet interface? well just turn it off then. lol

4.6.2011 15:24 #62

FredBun

Well I certainly hope it can be turned off, cause I sure as hell don't want the tablet crap on my pc, and if 8 is suppose to be this big new thing why not also advertise what the pc interface will look like, I would have stated it as what at tablet interface will look like with W8 and would have been specific about it, now show us what the pc will look like, and if this is what we will be stuck with on pc's also than W8 get take a flyer.

4.6.2011 15:50 #63

staloned

Dont care for the way they changed applications and it does not do anything for an OS except add a few new accessorys to the program so why buy it as an operating system. Just sell it as an application or give it free to existing windows 7 users and make a new more perfect OS to actually surpase Windows 7 before releasing it.

4.6.2011 17:05 #64

Ryoohki

looks slick. now if only my desktop or laptop had touchscreens

5.6.2011 08:54 #65

ChiefBrdy

It seems to me MS has a hidden agenda and is trying to compete/take over the android market. Ain't gonna happen.

I love his statement in the video. "It will work on desktop PC's as well if that's what you happen to have." (paraphrasing.)

If that's what you happen to have??? Only the majority of business and consumers around the world use desktops and or laptops. Hello!

But...If you can turn the bling off, so what. Then hopefully it will be similar to Windows 7 and run faster.

Can't form an opinion yet. Not enough info. Although, I have to admit, I kind of liked the bling. Yet I don't have a touchscreen PC and certainly can't see myself fondling my monitors all day over using a mouse. Ridiculous!

"Is that 3 thousand dollar bounty on the shark in cash or check?"

"We can do it the easy way...Or we can do it the REAL easy way."

5.6.2011 10:03 #66

Opus54

Just one more nail in MS coffin and why I am keeping Windows XP where I have more control of my pC

5.6.2011 18:13 #67

elitepunk

^ AMEN Opus54 !!! HAiL XP !!! DEATH TO ViSTA, 7, 8, 9, 10, ETC...

i HAVE AN iDEA, TAKE XP...AND REWORK IT AND MAKE A ''TRUE'' NEW OS...THATS ACTUALLY DECENT...gosh people are sheeples nowadays...they will buy anything NEW NEW NEW...f--k that sh1t man..

5.6.2011 18:32 #68

omegaman7

Sorry, it's not because it's new. I like the way windows 7 works. Gaming is far more smooth with 7 than XP. THough there are probably workarounds for XP. I have nothing against XP though, at the same time :p

5.6.2011 18:38 #69

jackalguy

I'm convinced half the people blindly insisting on XP's superiority on this thread have nfc what they're talking about. I'm sorry for being so forthright, but come on. If I were to have a serious discussion with a fellow tech and he was unwilling to install Windows 7 on new PC builds because of some dogmatic attachment to XP, I'd probably distance myself from him for professional embarrassment.

6.6.2011 03:23 #70

FredBun

Blindly? I don't think so, I just built a new PC and am doing just fine with XP, it's all about preference and needs, having 7 is gonna do what for me that I can't do with XP, plus the fact I can still run all my apps, software and hardware without having any issues that 7 can bring, so I guess were suppose to go buy something that's not needed, buy new hardware etc. e.g. my printers cause I have several PC's in the house, so I'm suppose to be embarrassed, I for one distance myself from comments like this, each to thier own, I guess it's suppose to make me smarter cause I'm suppose to go out and buy everything new, yeah right.

And when 8 comes out I guess your gonna run out and get that too huh! that to me is embarassing, If your that happy with 7 more power to you, but I wouldn't go bashing people that are happy and doing just fine with what they have, besides I know quite a few techies that used 7 and went back, I even had a couple of them offer me thiers if I was intersted, I said no thanks, and they went back pretty much for the same reasons I stated, the advantages are minor, complications with older devises major, and yes we are happy and still doing fine with our older equipment, if that makes us un-cool than so be it, but having extra cash in my pocket makes me smarter.

6.6.2011 04:09 #71

Danthaman

the problem with XP is intrinsic, If your XP system is online and not hacked then you're in the 0.009% of ppl with a clean install.
I took a long time to warm to 7,(especially after vista!) I never wanted it, but I was forced to when I couldn't get XP 64bit (as it has been long since discontinued), having just built a new 64 bit PC (That I wanted to use properly) .
Initially I hated not being able to find/configure things as I was used to. But then I began to see the advantages and the good planning/architecture.

If your on an older PC with XP and you don't mind the performance decrease and supporting hacker's bot-armies when ur online (Unless you run a number of high-maintenance, resource-hungry security apps that are worse than the disease) Then perhaps save ur money, I know I'm doing this with a couple of my older machines that are either offline and/or mission critical (with older apps that would be a massive pain to migrate, and may not do so as they use very old drivers/API's etc..)

In short, anyone who doesn't see the advantages of win 7 hasn't tried it properly or doesn't understand IT technology as well as they think (No offence in to anyone in particular)

Brgds/Dan

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6.6.2011 05:08 #72

tony69181

Originally posted by FredBun: Blindly? I dont think so, I just built a new PC and am doing just fine with XP, its all about preference and needs, having 7 is gonna do what for me that I cant do with XP, plus the fact I can still run all my apps, software and hardware without having any issues that 7 can bring, so I guess were suppose to go buy something thats not needed, buy new hardware etc. e.g. my printers cause I have several PCs in the house, so Im suppose to be embarrassed, I for one distance myself from comments like this, each to thier own, I guess its suppose to make me smarter cause Im suppose to go out and buy everything new, yeah right.

And when 8 comes out I guess your gonna run out and get that too huh! that to me is embarassing, If your that happy with 7 more power to you, but I wouldnt go bashing people that are happy and doing just fine with what they have, besides I know quite a few techies that used 7 and went back, I even had a couple of them offer me thiers if I was intersted, I said no thanks, and they went back pretty much for the same reasons I stated, the advantages are minor, complications with older devises major, and yes we are happy and still doing fine with our older equipment, if that makes us un-cool than so be it, but having extra cash in my pocket makes me smarter. I upgraded to windows 7 from Windows Xp (dam i miss it) only because M$CROSOFT sent me a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate.NO FRICKEN WAY was i going to BUY and support a company that does not listen to its supporters (not many left) The fact that i have a u beaut computer does not mean i need to congest it with worthless shit.Windows Xp still stands as a well supported version of M$croshit.

6.6.2011 05:14 #73

keith1993

I don't know what your all talking about, XP Was nothing other then an attempt to convince us we need pretty operating systems with all that Blue everywhere, I mean what functionality did they actually add, a green Start button?! I can run Doom perfectly well on 95 and it's nowhere near as much of a resource hog!

6.6.2011 15:51 #74

elitepunk

Your right Keith...lets all go back to 95'...err well how bout we revise 95 and bring it up to date add directx-11 support etc.., NOW THAT would be a bad-ass system...

6.6.2011 17:19 #75

llongtheD

With windows being the most widely used operating system, and Microsoft trying to break into the mobile device market in a big way, they want their mobile and desktop systems to operate in a very similar fashion. They're keeping it simple for the masses who aren't tech geeks like alot of the people on this site. It might be a smart move considering most people can barely use a computer let alone several devices with several different operating systems.
I'm no Microsoft fan boy either, I use Ubuntu primarily and boot into windows when I need to, but the direction they're taking seems fairly obvious. If you don't like it don't use it. I will probably not rush to change anything either until we see how it stacks up.

If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.

6.6.2011 18:20 #76

Interestx

Quote:DVDBack23

I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know.

Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on.

Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be.
+1.

I have a copy of XP I keep for the (becoming fewer) driver/compatibility issues I might encounter but my experience is that Windows 7 Ultimate is brilliant.
Rock solid and by far the best OS I've seen to date.

My experience with Vista is that after SP1 it got as good as XP ever was, even the 'Home Basic' version my Mrs has on her laptop has been completely solid & reliable, no complaints whatsoever.

I do have to laugh at these 'bloatware' claims......like as if it means anything in a world where 2gbs+ of RAM is common.

It seems to me that a lot of this Microsoft bashing BS is pure fanboyism .....possibly spilling over from all that infantile game console nonsense.

I don't think any large corporation is worthy of that sort of ludicrous devotion & 'support'.

But if you can find me an OS that works (so easily) right out of the box with almost everything straight from the off and with support all the way through and for several years beyond its lifetime I might be interested.
But the fact is no-one else can supply anything like a Windows OS, hence their huge popularity, almost everywhere.

6.6.2011 18:52 #77

Mr-Movies

XP is much better at file transfers and networking than Seven amongst many other things that I really don�t want to get into but could. I just love how when I want to copy large amounts of data from one drive to another or to a network drive I get the Calculating.... garbage and then I wait and wait. With XP you don't have that nonsense. Seven is a decent OS very pretty which is what most who would like to think makes it better sets their bias. Once again it is very simple XP is the rock star so far even though it is getting out dated, no other OS has stood up as well and as long as it, PERIOD! Now if you are too stubborn to comprehend that then so be it but that is solid point.

I like and use Seven but there are things I hate more than stuff I hate in XP. Seven if the future right now and much better then Vista so it is the future for now.

And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.

6.6.2011 22:30 #78

Interestx

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.
Which is a little strange because my experience of Vista is with Vista Home Basic and that doesn't have any of the "pretty pretty" stuff.
After SP1 was applied it is just like using a slightly different (but only slightly) XP, but obviously much more up to date.

I honestly can't see anything for anyone to get all twisted and start shouting "devil" over it at all.

Windows 7 is widely regarded as better again than Vista.

At the end of the day XP is 2 months off its 10th birthday.
Like it or not at some point you just have to let it go & realise you are doing yourself no favours clinging to the past.
That's nothing to do with being attracted to the superficial visuals, it's pure self-interested security sense.

7.6.2011 04:56 #79

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by Interestx: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.
Which is a little strange because my experience of Vista is with Vista Home Basic and that doesn't have any of the "pretty pretty" stuff.
After SP1 was applied it is just like using a slightly different (but only slightly) XP, but obviously much more up to date.

I honestly can't see anything for anyone to get all twisted and start shouting "devil" over it at all.

Windows 7 is widely regarded as better again than Vista.

At the end of the day XP is 2 months off its 10th birthday.
Like it or not at some point you just have to let it go & realise you are doing yourself no favours clinging to the past.
That's nothing to do with being attracted to the superficial visuals, it's pure self-interested security sense. First off even stripped down Basic or if you want to get more ridicules Starter it was STILL a resource hog and STILL couldn't run most old apps! Vista is the prettiest OS so far but is also one of the worst too right in there with ME but ME might have been better, why do you think they died so fast? DAaaaa...

Seven is what Vista was supposed to be and is why it is better you really don't seem to have a clue do you on this?

Who is clinging to the past? I sure am not I use Seven not XP, as I�ve stated several times had you comprehended what you read, but that doesn't mean that XP isn't the best OS so far and again shows your lack to comprehend the whole ordeal here. This doesn�t surprise me though and seem to be par of the course for some, all the answers but can't see beyond the tunnel they�re in, to bad so sad.

7.6.2011 10:21 #80

omegaman7

I hate to seem like a fanboy, because I do have respect for XP, but I have had far less crashes with "7" than xp. Fact of the matter is, I don't recall the last crash. And I've never had a blue screen with "7". I don't have any compatibility issues either. Everything I install just works. During the beta testing, I had some MS Paint issues, and a printer compatibility issue. That's it. Epson updated their driver, and no more troubles. Oh wait, Peerguardian. Peerguardian could not install. But it was updated with something called peerblock, so no big deal there :p

I will try the Windows 8 Beta provided they release it into the wild like they did "7" ;)
Until we've seen more and actually tested it, we really can't talk so harshly about it, can we?

7.6.2011 13:14 #81

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by omegaman7: I hate to seem like a fanboy, because I do have respect for XP, but I have had far less crashes with "7" than xp. Fact of the matter is, I don't recall the last crash. And I've never had a blue screen with "7". I don't have any compatibility issues either. Everything I install just works. During the beta testing, I had some MS Paint issues, and a printer compatibility issue. That's it. Epson updated their driver, and no more troubles. Oh wait, Peerguardian. Peerguardian could not install. But it was updated with something called peerblock, so no big deal there :p

I will try the Windows 8 Beta provided they release it into the wild like they did "7" ;)
Until we've seen more and actually tested it, we really can't talk so harshly about it, can we? And I have had far more crashes with Seven and have supported others that have too! Seven is definitely not more stable than XP but that doesn't mean that Seven won't get more and more stable as XP did throughout its life span, it will. Seven could be the next XP most definitely but it does carry major issues MS needs to address. One is there 100MB System partition another is their horrible partitioning tool, XP's is fantastic compared to Seven and that truly isn't saying much. Just because you have been lucky and had few to possibly no problems doesn't mean they don't exist. Also I'm not to say you shouldn't love Seven, it you do great this isn't about all or nothing like some seem to treat it.

The point still stands on its bases.

7.6.2011 13:49 #82

Interestx

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: First off even stripped down Basic or if you want to get more ridicules Starter it was STILL a resource hog and STILL couldn't run most old apps! Well maybe if you were running a PC with a small amount of RAM that would matter.

I haven't noticed any complaints from my Mrs about her OS and when I've used it it has done nothing but work as intended.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Vista is the prettiest OS so far Not in the 'Home Basic' version it isn't.
7 Ultimate is far prettier.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: but is also one of the worst too right in there with ME but ME might have been better, why do you think they died so fast? DAaaaa... I think Vista died off early (well it hasn't actually died off at all, it is still being sold & supported but ok it's been superseded by 7) because it wasn't what it should have been at launch & it needed its SP1 to work as it ought to have from the start.
But by then the damage was done & 'everyone' knows.....etc etc.
Nevermind that a hell of a lot of people have nothing but good things to say about Vista now its had its service pack upgrading.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Seven is what Vista was supposed to be and is why it is better you really don't seem to have a clue do you on this? Are you on your monthly or what?
Try calming down a little.

Besides as we can see from Windows 8 it isn't necessarily how you imply anyways.
Microsoft has no intention of repeating the XP experience and has gone to a regular schedule of OS renewal.
It's just business and not particularly related to how well or otherwise an OS is doing.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Who is clinging to the past? Actually that was rhetorical.
Lots of people are intent on 'clinging to the past' and I gave the soundest reason for not doing so (security and the great age of XP).
That wasn't aimed at you.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: I sure am not I use Seven not XP, as I’ve stated several times had you comprehended what you read, but that doesn't mean that XP isn't the best OS so far and again shows your lack to comprehend the whole ordeal here. You really are a petty hostile creature aren't you?
FFS wind your neck in a tad & try to be a little less confrontational for a change, you might actually find (if you bothered to look) that you're the one leaping to get all hot & bothered about this when no-one else is.
It is a tad silly to say the least.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: This doesn’t surprise me though and seem to be par of the course for some, all the answers but can't see beyond the tunnel they’re in, to bad so sad.
Really really lame, but funny to an extent too as it's actually you who lost the point & the plot on this one long ago.

7.6.2011 15:10 #83

Mr-Movies

InterestX

I knew you wouldn't get it and never will there are some like that and you'll continue to twist things in your mind but I'm sure your bliss so keep up the good work. Nothing you have stated is worth even addressing from your ramblings so I'll leave you in your eternal bliss with that.

Good luck InterestX.... :)

7.6.2011 15:45 #84

Interestx

Mr-Movies

Seems to me that you're the one who just doesn't get it - or want to get it.

As Andre said, for the vast bulk of people most of the time the Windows OS is exactly what they want & need.
No piddling about, it just works and it is not the horrendous drama some seem to insist it is.

Certainly that is my experience with all the Windows product I have tried from 95 through to 7......and no, that's not to say they are at all times completely problem free and perfect but then that would be a ludicrous yardstick for any product
(although it seems it is pretty much how certain people gauge this)

You can moan about Vista if you want, that is your right & plenty once did -
(although I do wonder how much of that was on the basis of personal experience rather than something they read) -
but many if not most now accept that since the SP update Vista is a pretty good OS.
That's just a fact.

You can complain that you find Windows 7 flakey too if you like but I suggest once again that you are in the small minority.

Maybe MS will hear your complaints and do something about that partition tool or the 100mb system partition (oh the horror!).

But like I said for most most of the time Windows does the job, painlessly & easily.
Some people are just determined to complain and that's fine, it's their right......but to move from that to pretending that their experience is typical and we all suffer an outrageous shoddy product is laughable.

(but sadly it is exactly the sort of petty & ridiculous blinkered whinging that can practically be guaranteed to go on any time anything is said about a MS OS)

7.6.2011 17:14 #85

elitepunk

I think its probably safe to assume most of us here are not n00bs and are rather more or less l33t so...with that said this whole convo is kinda lame, we all like what we like, and we're gonna use what we use...for example...I like Windows XP service pack 2...you like Windows 7...You like older girls, I like...cough.. ;-)

anyway lol i gotta get back to my busy day of downloading from Utorrent and Emule etc...

KTHX bye,,

7.6.2011 17:52 #86

Mr-Movies

Like I said you are clueless InterestX and you still don't get it. You don't have a clue what I've said or the whole argument obviously from your reply(ies). Toooo Badddd Soooo Saddddd.... :) All I can do is repeat and repeat but if you can't comprehend, and you can't, then why bother.

@elitepunk - This isn't about choice and it never was, you and InterestX should get together you'd make great partners.

Way to funny how we twist reality, and when I say we I don't mean me.

7.6.2011 19:27 #87

FredBun

I hear the same often about one should at least change to 7 because of security issues with XP, I never have any security issues with my XP, I did have some when I was a dummy, didn't know what I was doing, than when you gain some knowledge especially commen sense your good to go.

If your doing idoitic things with your PC using XP and run into all kinds of security issues, believe me, you'll have the same problem with 7.

And the more I keep reading about 8, it's just mind boggling to me, they have got to be kidding me, here is the latest I have read

Microsoft made it clear last night that � contrary to expectations and rumors � the new shell is going to be the default on all Windows 8 PCs, and not just tablets. Many of us Microsoft watchers had believed it would be the default on tablets.

I guess I will have to go with 7 come 2014 even though I'm very happy with it, after 2014 when the updates stop I guess I will have no other choice, but 8, if it's what it seems to be, they can stick it where the sun don't shine.

7.6.2011 20:43 #88

Mr-Movies

Fred, that is nonsense XP is no more vulnerable than Seven the two token security is minimal at best. Let's face it MS has never been good at security and even this new Activation 3.0 will turn out to be a joke. Look at what a mess and joke UAC is and NTFS permissions too for that matter.

Microsoft continually shoots themselves in the foot and never seems to learn their lessons. Eight will be like Vista, ME, and 95 apparently so by 2014 they may have another system like Seven that might be decent enough to go with but Seven may be the route to go. I doubt businesses will even consider Eight and most will stick with Seven unless MS wises up fast after Eight releases and bombs which again seems to be the cycle.

7.6.2011 21:23 #89

elitepunk

uhhhh...who needs updates? updates to what? ill be using xpsp2 well after 2014...xpsp3 is a joke [have that on my netbook...total crap...] one day i will get around to installing xpsp2 on it..

7.6.2011 21:35 #90

omegaman7

Fred, are you saying that windows 8 will be default in "Tablet Mode"? If that's true, I'm laughing my butt off right now. I guarantee there is a very small percentage of people that would actually like that. What in the world are they smoking? Cause I DON'T want any of it LOL!

8.6.2011 02:02 #91

Interestx

Mr-Movies

You know what's really funny here?

First of all that once again you leap to a hostile aggressive stance when Elitepunk was being perfectly reasonable.

Secondly that people like you were spouting this same kind of crap when XP first came out.

It's the same old same old, nit-picking quibbling whinging hate and pretending that whatever the OS if it was MS it had to be (overall) incredibly bad news.

Boring.

.....I'd also add that you seem to have entirely the wrong idea about MS & their attitudes to sticking to an OS release schedule.
I have seen nothing from them that says they expect 'everyone' to leap aboard their latest OS.
They are however not going to repeat what happened with XP.
They do not think it is good for private customers, businesses or (horror of horrors) themselves.

The point is they have (for those that want it......and if I were buying a new PC I might well want their latest OS) an up-to-date OS every 'X' number of years.
You me or business can choose to get it or not.
But we will do so knowing that sticking with what we have brings consequences in terms of features & support etc etc.

It's a free country(ish) you can bah-humbug Win 8 if you want (I probably won't be bothering with it either) but this reflex negative attitude is tedious in the extreme.

It's just business, they're not your pals doing you a favour - or not.

8.6.2011 11:11 #92

Mr-Movies

Your right they don't want people to buy their latest OS they just make it to say they made it. This is a prime example of how out of touch you really are. You say they won't repeat but history shows us that we do repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Once again what can one say I could attack every line you write but it is such nonsense that again it just isn't worth it and once again you just don't understand at all so all I can say is twisted.

8.6.2011 11:38 #93

Interestx

Quote:Mr-Movies

Your right they don't want people to buy their latest OS they just make it to say they made it.
Nope, that's not what I (or they said) but it is a prime example of the sort of level your 'debate' is at.

Good luck with that.

(and good luck with finding a global huge business anywhere doing pretty much anything that is so enormously successful that doesn't regularly release new versions of their products with better features and newer elements for more money from you to buy......that are instantly 'perfection' for all users in all circumstances.)

8.6.2011 11:40 #94

Mr-Movies

Repeat.... :)

8.6.2011 11:58 #95

FredBun

Originally posted by omegaman7: Fred, are you saying that windows 8 will be default in "Tablet Mode"? If that's true, I'm laughing my butt off right now. I guarantee there is a very small percentage of people that would actually like that. What in the world are they smoking? Cause I DON'T want any of it LOL!

Omeg, all I can go with right now is what I'm reading, some of you guys know me here and I'm not a techie in explaining things like you guys can, but I have paying close attention to this, one of my excuses for not getting seven and I do mean just one reason, I said to myself why go out and start spending money on 7 when 8 will be coming out soon, I also get the point Steve is making, he is right about things are to realy to tell, but so far and all these are good sources from the net, magazines I read, it's coming from the horses mouth (MS), they keep saying this is what it's gonna be.

That interface is the goofiest thing I ever saw, fine if your a tablet user, but your gonna shove that down my throat with my PC, I don't think so, you get these huge several icons so to speek, than you need to surf further to get what you want, I want my icons as they are, the way I want them, in the order I want them.

I did read people making comments here and so far it's just thier opinions, just shut it off, that's not what I'm reading from the big boys, can you see corps and businesses using that interface, I would want to throw my monitor out the window, but than again what do I know, I'm a dummy here compared to most of you guys, I guess like Steve says, it's probably to early to start bashing, normally we fight or defend on what's right, in this case I hope were wrong, and in getting ahead of ourselves. But if so far what we are hearing and reading is right, oh brother!!! I don't know squat anything about Linux, maybe I should start looking into it.

8.6.2011 12:06 #96

SoulGLOW

You know what? Im down for this. Mostly because its different and seems fairly intuitive. Ill have a go with this filly. Its time for a change-up, so smack your bitch up!!!

9.6.2011 20:57 #97

jackalguy

"...XP is no more vulnerable than Seven..."

Are you high? As any OS ages and gains more users, it also gains more exploits because of the higher user base, which is the case with XP. Furthermore, UAC did wonders for the average user that wasn't tech savvy for stopping rootkits from installing themselves. From the perspective of the average consumer, Vista and 7 did wonders, and from the perspective of a tech, it does wonders because I don't have to fix as many errors on the non-savvy users' end.

9.6.2011 22:26 #98

Mr-Movies

You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn�t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don�t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn�t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.

Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.

That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!

Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!

9.6.2011 22:40 #99

jackalguy

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn�t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don�t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn�t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.

Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.

That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!

Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!
I'm in awe by how full of yourself you are. I feel sorry if you work in IT and have average users as your clients. Sorry for your clients anyway.

9.6.2011 23:05 #100

FredBun

OK, How can I put this, I have said in the past I am no techie, never will be, I don't think I lack commen sense though, you people can say all you want about how secure vista or 7 is or was, let me give you an example what I saw for myself out in the streets so to speak.

I have and do hang around once in a while where pc's are bought and sold, and as a friend of mine that does own a pc repair shop, have known him for quite a few years and I go over and shoot the breeze with him every once in a while, as I spend at least several hours with him I am not deaf or blind, not yet anyway, do you know how many labtops and pc's I see brought over to him because thier computers are infected, and shall I go on what most of them are because yes that's what most people are using today, vista and mainly 7, you guessed it, vista and 7, so your security theorie kinda went right out the window didn't it.

My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.

I often downplay myself mostly on these forums here at AD, cause I know I do not posses the knowledge most have here, but the more I read some of these posts I think I'm gonna stop second guessing myself.

9.6.2011 23:30 #101

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by jackalguy: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn’t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don’t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn’t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.

Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.

That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!

Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!
I'm in awe by how full of yourself you are. I feel sorry if you work in IT and have average users as your clients. Sorry for your clients anyway. Hey great come back still smoken I see....

9.6.2011 23:31 #102

jackalguy

Originally posted by FredBun: OK, How can I put this, I have said in the past I am no techie, never will be, I don't think I lack commen sense though, you people can say all you want about how secure vista or 7 is or was, let me give you an example what I saw for myself out in the streets so to speak.

I have and do hang around once in a while where pc's are bought and sold, and as a friend of mine that does own a pc repair shop, have known him for quite a few years and I go over and shoot the breeze with him every once in a while, as I spend at least several hours with him I am not deaf or blind, not yet anyway, do you know how many labtops and pc's I see brought over to him because thier computers are infected, and shall I go on what most of them are because yes that's what most people are using today, vista and mainly 7, you guessed it, vista and 7, so your security theorie kinda went right out the window didn't it.

My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.

I often downplay myself mostly on these forums here at AD, cause I know I do not posses the knowledge most have here, but the more I read some of these posts I think I'm gonna stop second guessing myself. That's because Vista and 7 are the common platforms now, not because they're necessarily less secure. You hit the nail on the head, however, when you said that lack of understanding is what leads to security issues, however a causal link cannot be drawn to demonstrate that Vista and 7 are less secure than XP, at least not in your example.

Take Macs for example. Apple boasted about the security of mac for years, but as Apple slowly began to gain more and more market share, more and more security holes began to be exploited -- it's a simple matter of numbers.

Regarding Vista/7 vs XP, UAC does help protect against rootkits. For example, let's say you're browsing a website and a fake Windows Defender anti spyware installs itself into your registry. On XP, this is exactly what would happen without 3rd party protection, however with UAC active for the average user, it would alert them, and the potential to stop it with native Windows functionality would be present. Again, however, this hinges on the responsibility of the user, which nobody is arguing, but the potential is there nonetheless. Furthermore, Vista and 7 offer SuperFetch memory management which greatly improves the caching of memory so less is wasted. Along those same lines, Windows 7 x64 offers one of the best options for an x64 platform, and thus allowing a relatively user-friendly option to break the ~4GB memory limit, especially with 64 bit Windows 7 drivers becoming more common place.

This doesn't even begin to touch on the issue of indexing, ease of searching, simplified home networking for average users (printer sharing, HomeGroup, etc), etc etc.

So again, the only reason to not embrace the new operating systems is if you're using a rig that is older than the dinosaurs, especially for average consumers, or if your mindset is generally conservative and change scares you. The tweak-ability of XP may be more attractive to advanced users, but I personally would rather take the better potential hardware utilization of Windows 7 x64. So if you're going to insist on using a Microsoft operating system, and insist on XP, enjoy living in the past, it's glad to have you.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one"

-George Bernard Shaw

10.6.2011 02:46 #103

FredBun

You know I read all this talk on how vista and 7 does this and does that, didn't I just explain how many times I saw people come in with infected computers using both, I am the old dinosaur that is still using XP but I'm not having any problems, so yes I am enjoying living in the past.

Everybody here defending 7 and that's great I'm happy you guys are happy with it, but all that mumbo jumbo tech explanation does not change the fact what I seen with my own eyes, you can throw in all these details at me but is still doesn't change the fact that your vista or 7 is this great new security protector, it's not, it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for.

Your first sentence is was buried you, that was exactly the kind of excuse I knew I would hear that often comes from techie boys, OH well that's because everybody uses vista and 7 now, and everything you explained right after that became obsolete, even though it was a nice fancy explanation, but come on, you have to do better than that, but I do have to admit, at least you gave it a shot, just unfortunately it backfired.

10.6.2011 03:31 #104

jackalguy

Originally posted by FredBun: You know I read all this talk on how vista and 7 does this and does that, didn't I just explain how many times I saw people come in with infected computers using both, I am the old dinosaur that is still using XP but I'm not having any problems, so yes I am enjoying living in the past.

Everybody here defending 7 and that's great I'm happy you guys are happy with it, but all that mumbo jumbo tech explanation does not change the fact what I seen with my own eyes, you can throw in all these details at me but is still doesn't change the fact that your vista or 7 is this great new security protector, it's not, it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for.

Your first sentence is was buried you, that was exactly the kind of excuse I knew I would hear that often comes from techie boys, OH well that's because everybody uses vista and 7 now, and everything you explained right after that became obsolete, even though it was a nice fancy explanation, but come on, you have to do better than that, but I do have to admit, at least you gave it a shot, just unfortunately it backfired. Sounds like a cop-out to me. It's not an excuse, it's reality. As more people with malicious intent familiarize themselves with new platforms, an increase in malicious content against those platforms is released. As new operating systems become more popular, more users are exposed to them, and with the increased exposure comes an increase in those with malicious intent, since they are included in the pool of new users. What this means in layman's terms is that older operating systems that were indeed popular once upon a time (XP, 98, etc) have more security threats against them, simply because so much time has passed with so much exposure.

Furthermore, I would venture a guess that many average consumers are beginning to update their PC's to run on Vista or 7, and not XP, and that would also explain why your friend's clients are bringing in systems with Vista and 7 on them.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one"

-George Bernard Shaw

10.6.2011 03:52 #105

Interestx

Originally posted by FredBun: it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for What "messiah"?

There is no such thing.
There's just better, for now.

As jackelguy says, the increasing usage & popularity of any given software will be reflected in its targeting with malicious threats.
This is exactly what Apple & Opera & Firefox etc etc have all found.

Necessarily it is a reactive situation and in a world where we increasingly want greater connectivity & a huge expansion in compatibility between an enormous array of different devices one can only operate on the basis of what appears correct now.
Nobody knows what nastys are being concocted to exploit whatever vulnerabilities there may be.

.....but anyone cheer-leading for an OS (or attacking an OS) on the basis that it is some sort of perfection (or not) is deluded.
There can never be any such thing, from anyone.

10.6.2011 04:42 #106

elitepunk

in theory you should be able to dual-boot xp and 7...but i havnt tried that yet, but probably will soon... currently im booting two versions of xp lol! the advantage of dual booting 7-x64 is so that you can run apps that need more than ~3.5 gigs of ram...but so far no game i play even needs more than 2 gigs...that might be an issue in the near future tho, with directx-11 exclusive games probably showing up soon, although i can't really name any atm..

i guess if you have like 8-16 gigs of ram 7-x64 might come in handy to actually be able to utalize full amount..

10.6.2011 11:46 #107

Interestx

Windows 7 Ultimate has a copy of Windows XP mode built-in, just in case.
It's a nice touch I think.

As for the approx 3.5gb RAM limit, that's a 32bit issue afaik, that lower limit isn't there in 64bit XP or Vista or 7.

The explaination for this is that it's an addressing issue and if more than 4gb of RAM was allowed on a 32bit OS it could give rise to issues with hardware & drivers, so they play it safe and set that limit.

Until most move to 64bit it's likely to stay (and with so much still happily working on 32bit the incentive is far from obvious).

(I have seen it said that Windows 7 64bit RAM limits vary quite a lot, 16gb for Home Premium and 128gb (wow) for Professional, Enterprise and Ultimate versions)

10.6.2011 12:43 #108

Mr-Movies

Fred, They really aren't worth it but thanks for trying, the sad fact is they are so biased they just won't get the point and it is all about extreme thinking, not the big picture. If they like it, it must be the best! That type of general lack of thinking seems to be contagious with some and quite common in the youth. The sad fact that they can be slandering one and then turn around and telling you that you have the attitude is a prime example of how lost they are. I'll say it again REPEAT! So Sad To Bad!!

I do like that Microsoft has bought VirtualPC and added XP Mode as a virtual machine in Seven, that was a great move on their part.

10.6.2011 15:37 #109

jackalguy

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Fred, They really aren't worth it but thanks for trying, the sad fact is they are so biased they just won't get the point and it is all about extreme thinking, not the big picture. If they like it, it must be the best! That type of general lack of thinking seems to be contagious with some and quite common in the youth. The sad fact that they can be slandering one and then turn around and telling you that you have the attitude is a prime example of how lost they are. I'll say it again REPEAT! So Sad To Bad!!

I do like that Microsoft has bought VirtualPC and added XP Mode as a virtual machine in Seven, that was a great move on their part. Now who's speaking without substance and in generalities? No rebuttal to the technical differences? I don't want to bruise your massive ego, even though I think it's taken on a life of its own.

10.6.2011 17:07 #110

FredBun

I really don't know why you guys are being so harsh on Mr. Movies, he made some good rebuttals and you guys freaked out over it, than you guys got harsh than so did he, he is so right on, I think I'm beggining to waste my time.

But here's another quote from one of you guys, Furthermore, I would venture a guess that many average consumers are beginning to update their PC's to run on Vista or 7, and not XP, and that would also explain why your friend's clients are bringing in systems with Vista and 7 on them.

Oh you think, of course I know why most people are bringing in 7 now, didn't I say that from the beggining, but who cares about that, the point is 7 is not that un-vulnerable as you guys think, what is it you guys are not getting, I use XP, and have no problems, others use 7 and if thier doing it irresponsibly they get problems, that's the simple point, so please don't lay these quotes on me that is is the savior OS.

I gave you an example of 7 also can be vulnarable, and what do you guys come back with, oh it's because more people are using it now plus all kinds of other technical bull, you should listen to your excuses, if you people were in court I sure as hell wouldn't want you defending me, I'd be going to jail for sure.

Plus Mr. Movies is right, I'm done here, it is a waste of time, normally on AD I always learn new things, but this forum was a waste, you guys won, you all all right I'm wrong, now for a good movie. Goodbye to all.

10.6.2011 18:03 #111

jonathanp55

Ok. this was horrible! I mean talk about making things bad. I tried the dev preview and did not like it. I could not even find the old control panel. This might be good Microsoft, but first, PLEASE give us the option with metro apps. Dont force it on us. I personally want the start menu.

29.11.2011 01:04 #112

Mr_Bill06

Originally posted by FredBun: I gave you an example of 7 also can be vulnarable, and what do you guys come back with, oh it's because more people are using it now plus all kinds of other technical bull, you should listen to your excuses, if you people were in court I sure as hell wouldn't want you defending me, I'd be going to jail for sure. Fred any time you have more people using a product there will always be a higher percentage of problems occurring, that is just a fact of life. Almost all infections are caused by people that have little knowledge about computers. That same person that got that infection on Vista or 7 would have gotten it on XP as well. I am not defending any OS Windows, Linux, Mac, anything human made can be compromised. If you like XP and have no reason to upgrade that is just fine, your happy with what you have. If you have a newer PC and want to take advantage of the hardware then it may be worth to use a newer OS.

7.12.2011 14:16 #113

SoulGLOW

Originally posted by FredBun:

My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.

HA! That's what I ALWAYS I think AND tell my less intelligent(with tech)friends. I don't even have any antivirus stuff installed on my computer in order to keep my resources free. I run a scan about twice a year from my usb thumbdrive and havent had a virus on any of my computers in years. I guess you just have to know how to use something without compromising yourself.
I wouldn't give my 12 gauge to someone who didnt fully know what they were doing either. (Cleaning, unjamming, safe-handling, etc.)

7.12.2011 20:34 #114

Mr-Movies

You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....

7.12.2011 21:44 #115

blivetNC

Originally posted by lamain: Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out. I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better.

7.12.2011 22:27 #116

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by blivetNC: Originally posted by lamain: Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out. I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better. And I'm still holding on to Windows 3.11 for work-groups... LOL

7.12.2011 22:35 #117

jackalguy

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by blivetNC: Originally posted by lamain: Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out. I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better. And I'm still holding on to Windows 3.11 for work-groups... LOL Pfsh, all pros use DOS. I'm waiting until they release something better.

8.12.2011 03:17 #118

Mr-Movies

I stand corrected... LOL

8.12.2011 13:17 #119

SomeBozo

Ah come on guys, lets wait for a update to CPM :)

8.12.2011 16:46 #120

ChiefBrdy

Anyone who doesn't use virus software and a firewall is a complete idiot.

8.12.2011 18:53 #121

omegaman7

:p <--- Idiot.

I generally don't visit sites known for malicious activity. And recognizing bogus emails is easy peasy. Eh, I install one if I think I have a problem. Virus's and worms have a way of making themselves known ;) Malwarebytes is certainly my first choice.

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So, the ECPA doesnt apply to $ony? Disney? Universal? Warner Bros.? B.S.!!! Theyre not even big brother...

9.12.2011 00:28 #122

SoulGLOW

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes.... Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.

11.12.2011 09:16 #123

SoulGLOW

Originally posted by ChiefBrdy: Anyone who doesn't use virus software and a firewall is a complete idiot. Apparently you're an idiot who cant read AND COMPREHEND.

11.12.2011 09:19 #124

SoulGLOW

Originally posted by omegaman7: :p <--- Idiot.

I generally don't visit sites known for malicious activity. And recognizing bogus emails is easy peasy. Eh, I install one if I think I have a problem. Virus's and worms have a way of making themselves known ;) Malwarebytes is certainly my first choice. EXACTLY!

11.12.2011 09:28 #125

Mr-Movies

Originally posted by SoulGLOW: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes.... Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.
Actually you did so get over yourself...

11.12.2011 19:36 #126

SoulGLOW

Wow I suggest you read that again...idiot

12.12.2011 12:47 #127

SoulGLOW

Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by SoulGLOW: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes.... Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.
Actually you did so get over yourself... damn you are stupid

12.12.2011 13:20 #128

omegaman7

SoulGLOW, is this really necessary? Or are you trying to get banned?

12.12.2011 13:35 #129

ChiefBrdy

Originally posted by SoulGLOW: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by SoulGLOW: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.

In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.

Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes.... Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.
Actually you did so get over yourself... damn you are stupid Quote:DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. ....This is one of the stupidest comments I've read on AD to date.

"Is that 3 thousand dollar bounty on the shark in cash or check?"

"We can do it the easy way...Or we can do it the REAL easy way."

12.12.2011 16:13 #130

Mr-Movies

No doubt!

12.12.2011 16:41 #131

SoulGLOW

Originally posted by omegaman7: SoulGLOW, is this really necessary? Or are you trying to get banned? Nah you're right. Morons just drive me crazy. Its like those people who decide to walk into traffic and then blame the driver when they get hit.

13.12.2011 21:45 #132

xaero5159 (unverified)

Originally posted by keith1993: If you want a Windows desktop you'll stick with Vista or 7. If you want a newer operating system you'll buy a Mac or swap to Linux, If you want a tablet you'll buy one running a Tablet OS. Who are they selling this to? If I want a windows desktop there is only one choice, 7. If I want a newer operating system, how is 12 year old bsd newer? Windows 8 is a tablet os, period. But I still refuse to use a mac, I spent several hours using one, and honestly I just wanted to smash it. It constantly fought me at every turn. Refused to let me install software for work. And generally was a nuisance to use. Windows 8 had the same general design. I don't want a tablet operating system, I don't want to be locked out of 90% of my laptop because apple thinks i'm to stupid to be allowed access to "their" computer.

8.3.2012 16:22 #133

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