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R.I.P. Steve Jobs, great American innovator

There is not too much else to be said that Apple has not said in their statement.

Jobs was forced to resign in August as CEO of the company he founded as his health deteriorated. He was diagnosed in 2003 with a rare form of pancreatic cancer and took leave from work again in 2009 for a liver transplant.



We will have more in the coming week on Job's innovation and his contribution to the tech and business world as we know it.

From starting a computer company in his parent's garage in 1976 to being in charge of the most valuable public company in the world, Jobs defined an American icon in the technology business.

R.I.P.



Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 5 Oct 2011 20:03

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• Matt898

  I am no apple fan but the loss of Steve Jobs is a loss for the entire techno world.
  

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  5.10.2011 20:05 #1

• ROMaster2

  I tip my hat to the man who invented the brilliant HUMANCENTiPAD.

  5.10.2011 20:05 #2

• ZeusAV

  Hard to believe he's gone. RIP

  5.10.2011 20:12 #3

• DVDBack23

  Will leave the comments open here until someone undoubtedly ruins it.
  
  My thoughts on the man should be abundantly clear. He was one of the best businessmen of all time and understood perfectly what the majority wanted in a device, be it smartphone, computer, etc.
  

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  5.10.2011 20:17 #4

• Dela

  R.I.P Steve.... pancreatic cancer takes yet another victim.
  
  I remember when Randy Pausch testified to a Senate Committee about pancreatic cancer. He said he wished he had AIDS instead, as then he'd have had a chance to live for much longer than he did after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
  
  Sad day when Randy died, and a sad day again now!

  5.10.2011 20:21 #5

• blivetNC

  One of the cornerstones of American Ingenuity, his legacy will outlive us all. RIP.

  5.10.2011 20:23 #6

• solamf30

  R.I.P Steve. Not sure about the tech innovator, but he sure was one hell of a businessman and marketing genius.

  5.10.2011 20:25 #7

• brockie

  R.I.P Steve sad news made Apple in to a major company again.

  5.10.2011 20:26 #8

• Memnock

  Very sad day. He's was a true visionary who help change the tech world for be better. He's be missed, but no soon forgotten.
  
  American dream = Steve Jobs

  5.10.2011 20:28 #9

• DarkJello

  Brilliant guy, thanks for pushing the envelope.

  5.10.2011 21:11 #10

• Jeffrey_P

  RIP
  I don't like Apple's ways. Still you can't deny he has a lot to do with the way the world is connected today.
  
  You don't hear much about Steve Wozniak who co-founded Apple with Ronald Wayne and Jobs.
  
  Scary we are the same age.
  
  Jeff
  

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  5.10.2011 21:13 #11

• JGJD2001

  i hate apple but the man was a marketing genius....
  
  he will be missed and i hate to say without him the apple will crumble.
  
  R.I.P steve

  5.10.2011 21:14 #12

• DVDBack23

  Originally posted by JGJD2001: i hate apple but the man was a marketing genius....
  
  he will be missed and i hate to say without him the apple will crumble.
  
  R.I.P steve It wont be instant, but there is a strong chance. Even yesterday with the 4GS, there was no "magic" in Tim's presentation. When it was finished, there wasn't the usual "OMG I NEED IT" attitude that normally comes after a Steve Jobs event.
  
  
  

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  5.10.2011 21:17 #13

• JGJD2001

  Originally posted by DVDBack23: Originally posted by JGJD2001: i hate apple but the man was a marketing genius....
  
  he will be missed and i hate to say without him the apple will crumble.
  
  R.I.P steve It wont be instant, but there is a strong chance. Even yesterday with the 4GS, there was no "magic" in Tim's presentation. When it was finished, there wasn't the usual "OMG I NEED IT" attitude that normally comes after a Steve Jobs event.
  
  yea i agree, alot of people i know who always cling to their iphone were not that impressed and even they admit that my GS2 was more interesting.....they will wait for the iphone 5 now (this is where things will either break or make apple)
  

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  5.10.2011 21:23 #14

• Jimathome

  I didn't really like the man, however I hope the day will come when nobody has to die in this terrible way !
  
  

  5.10.2011 21:25 #15

• Thoatih12

  R.I.P steve Jobs, very sad way for any human to leave this world, he was deff a brilliant business man thats a fact noone can argue.
  
  it will be very intresting to see where the Apple company goes now!
  

  
  

  5.10.2011 21:48 #16

• xyqo

  @jimathome that day will come.
  I'm really sorry to hear this 56 is really rather young. He did make a huge splash. (more like he created an impact crater) Condolences to those who might have know him.
  

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  5.10.2011 21:50 #17

• jemaric

  true visionary
  

  5.10.2011 22:09 #18

• g_slide

  I hate Steve Jobs and how that my iPhone does not support Flash and how I still receive drop calls on my iPhone 4 and the quick fix was to hold the phone differently as he blamed us users for improperly using the phone.
  
  I also hate every time there is a firmware update, my phone is no longer Jailbroken and it goes back to a regular locked firmware, even though it is my given right and not against the law to Jailbreak my iPhone.
  
  With all that said and the amount of frustrating or anger I have, I still don't wish death on anyone and at a young age. God bless you and hope you are at peace now as you cross the gates... take care.

  5.10.2011 22:13 #19

• DSWarrior

  Definitely a visionary and an extraordinary businessman. Besides, love it or hate it, Apple is basically in every corner you look at: iPhones, iPads, iPods, Macs...Apple Stores...And Steve was the one who had the courage and intelligence to push Apple to where it is today. People hate Apple for various reasons, but the fact remains that Steve did a great job at making his company famous and he did innovate a lot during the last few years.
  

  DS Warrior ! ! !

  5.10.2011 22:17 #20

• 3MUK

  His death caught me by surprise. Yeh i knew he was sick but not going to die very soon. Even for us Android users this is a sad day. Wish his family the best.
  

  "You can lead a fool to wisdom but you cant make him think"

  5.10.2011 22:23 #21

• CNDLG

  An extraordinary man. May you be greeted at the gates of heaven by an angel taking a role call using an iPad!
  
  RIP
  

  5.10.2011 22:35 #22

• Hyasuma

  RIP Steve Job, you innovated this world to another level
  

  5.10.2011 22:57 #23

• flyingpen

  While I LOATHE Apple in its entirety as well as being distinguished by the way he and the company treated their consumers, he (like so many have said) was a businessman who was there to make money and he certainly did that. Its good in the world of tech to have competition. Apple has helped push tech forward by rivaling long standing tech companies and forcing them to "stay on their toes." For this, I am greatful to him. I still detest him as a person, but I respect him as a businessman, as well feel sorry for how he had to die. I hope after this long and tough battle he has faced. He can finally now Rest In Peace.
  

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  5.10.2011 23:11 #24

• devilzpsp

  RIP Steve. You've definitely changed the way we work with technology in the last few years.
  

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  6.10.2011 00:32 #25

• KillerBug

  I can't say that I will miss him or that I think the industry will lose anything by not having him...but I still wish him all the best in his future lives/afterlife/rotting in the ground/whatever you believe in.
  
  RIP to the world's greatest salesman.
  

  
  

  6.10.2011 00:36 #26

• Mrguss

  Regardless of how you/we/I feel about Crapple.....
  Steve Jobs's Quote:
  "Death is the destination we all share"
  
  iRIP "Mr. Sales-Man"
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  6.10.2011 01:28 #27

• jookycola

  Looks like Adobe Flash will out live Steve Jobs. Rest in peace.
  

  
  

  6.10.2011 03:58 #28

• A5J4DX

  RIP The Genius Steve
  

  6.10.2011 07:47 #29

• buxtahuda

  Originally posted by KillerBug: I can't say that I will miss him or that I think the industry will lose anything by not having him...but I still wish him all the best in his future lives/afterlife/rotting in the ground/whatever you believe in.
  
  RIP to the world's greatest salesman. ^^Nice
  
  Really, I feel the same. But he did nudge us in the right direction for mobile tech, and I thank him so much for my Pixar and these lovely Androids. Neither would be where it is today without him. Certainly a business force to have been reckoned with, may his legacy make good enough decisions to live on. (I doubt it...)

  6.10.2011 08:52 #30

• Frogfart

  RIP Steve Job and sympathy to your family and friends.

  6.10.2011 10:44 #31

• harhumph

  Is there an iHeaven? If not I am sure he will get to work on that straight away. He was a man with so much ambition that a little thing like death won't slow him down. RIP from a person who detests Apple products but respects the man behind the brand.

  6.10.2011 11:25 #32

• mystic

  to have the insight of something that he started as a start up company and to watch it grow to on of the worlds most recognizable brands it is a testament to the ideas of its founders who stayed the course and gave everyone what they wanted .. it will be a long time again before we see a spark shine like his .. the techno world has lost its guide...
  

  6.10.2011 12:28 #33

• cpspoo

  My condolences to his family and friends. As I didn't truly know the man, I can't comment on how he lived his life. But I'm sure history will be kind to him.
  

  6.10.2011 12:30 #34

• kikzm33z

  RIP. The iPod although overpriced is probably one of the best devices created in the last few years.
  Personally I don't think Apple will do as well without Steve Jobs.
  
  Also a shame that he had to witness the negativity towards Apple from the event a couple of days ago.
  

  6.10.2011 15:50 #35

• Dapsone

  I hated Jobs personality and always thought he was a closet communist, but you have to respect someone who is able to single handedly change the world.

  6.10.2011 18:02 #36

• Run4two

  Originally posted by harhumph: Is there an iHeaven? If not I am sure he will get to work on that straight away. He was a man with so much ambition that a little thing like death won't slow him down. RIP from a person who detests Apple products but respects the man behind the brand. Too true,
  
  It was death that motivated him. He didn't want to be an observer on the sidelines, but an active player.

  6.10.2011 21:18 #37

• Notcow

  Meh.
  
  RIP, Mr. Jobs.

  6.10.2011 23:53 #38

• jookycola

  Quote:"I refuse to joke about Steve Jobs. One, because you're expecting it. Two, because I'm a good friend of his brother "Blow". RIP Steve Jobs." - Gilbert Gottfried
  

  
  

  7.10.2011 01:42 #39

• KillerBug

  Originally posted by Dapsone: I hated Jobs personality and always thought he was a closet communist, but you have to respect someone who is able to single handedly change the world. Communist? He was a monopolist...that is the most extreme form of Capitalist!
  

  
  

  7.10.2011 01:42 #40

• Mr-Movies

  He was a crook just like Gates is I won't miss him at all. Just because he has passed on doesn't mean you have to make up a bunch of hog wash about how great he was.
  
  However I don't wish him dead and I do feel for his family's loss so for them I grieve.
  

  7.10.2011 10:03 #41

• ZippyDSM

  He was not much of an inventor....more of a business man. Also he did not invent smart phones or mp3 players........... if I hear that one more time I am going to puke.....
  

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  7.10.2011 10:28 #42

• dlockjaw

  I was never a fan of Apple products,but when I saw the first iPod I was hooked. It simply blew away any of the competition. As it evolved further and further and evolved into something much more than just a portable music player driving the industry as it went.
  
  One only has to look around to see the unimaginable impact Mr. Jobs and company have had not only here, but around the world. Love him or hate him it's hard not to admire how his vision of making complex devices both simple to use and really useful made Apple a name synonymous with quality products for the non-technically oriented user.
  
  My sincere condolances to his family. May he now rest in peace.
  

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  7.10.2011 12:22 #43

• omegaman7

  Apple/macs were the first computers to grace me with their presence. I owe a lot of my present and future to this man. Things would no doubt be different had my first teachings been different.
  
  I'm not an apple or mac person myself, but I do acknowledge their uses, and the business practice.
  
  Steve Jobs, R.I.P. If anyone deserves the pearly gates, it's you.
  
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  7.10.2011 12:38 #44

• Mr-Movies

  Originally posted by dlockjaw: I was never a fan of Apple products,but when I saw the first iPod I was hooked. It simply blew away any of the competition. As it evolved further and further and evolved into something much more than just a portable music player driving the industry as it went.
  
  One only has to look around to see the unimaginable impact Mr. Jobs and company have had not only here, but around the world. Love him or hate him it's hard not to admire how his vision of making complex devices both simple to use and really useful made Apple a name synonymous with quality products for the non-technically oriented user.
  
  My sincere condolances to his family. May he now rest in peace. Nope, iPods were no better than many others that had been on the market for a decade prior including Archos the actual first on the market.

  7.10.2011 13:13 #45

• mac2012

  Steve changed the world I have owned ipods since 2001 and they are great its ironic that I have never owned a mp3 player other than the ipod. my current one is the nano 5g, the one with the camera but RIP Steve
  

  7.10.2011 19:16 #46

• Mr-Movies

  Originally posted by mac2012: Steve changed the world I have owned ipods since 2001 and they are great its ironic that I have never owned a mp3 player other than the ipod. my current one is the nano 5g, the one with the camera but RIP Steve Is it ironic? That isn't the word I'd use. :D
  

  7.10.2011 20:07 #47

• KELSOLAKE

  There are some rare individuals who discover that ideas are born, not from other individuals, not from government, not from daydreams...they come once in a while from careful thinking...they never come from others ideas that have wilted on the vine. There was a time in this country that we didnt attack people based on their success. Steve Jobs will always be one of those rare people.

  7.10.2011 20:31 #48

• Mik3h

  He was a good salesman, nothing more. He successfully trolled people into believing he invented video chat, that incremental upgrades are worth buying, and that people have more money than sense.
  
  He could have cared less about factory workers committing suicide over bad working conditions, treating workers at Apple like garbage, skipping transplant lists with money, and being one of the few CEOs who never donated to charity. Bill gates gave over half his wealth to charity.
  
  People say he revolutioni而zed the computing industry, no he didn't , he managed to convince people that outdated hardware with a fancy design its worthy of the £500 price tag. The software is another thing, but I could write pages and pages on that.
  

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  7.10.2011 21:46 #49

• flyingpen

  Originally posted by Mik3h: He was a good salesman, nothing more. He successfully trolled people into believing he invented video chat, that incremental upgrades are worth buying, and that people have more money than sense.
  
  He could have cared less about factory workers committing suicide over bad working conditions, treating workers at Apple like garbage, skipping transplant lists with money, and being one of the few CEOs who never donated to charity. Bill gates gave over half his wealth to charity.
  
  People say he revolutioni而zed the computing industry, no he didn't , he managed to convince people that outdated hardware with a fancy design its worthy of the £500 price tag. The software is another thing, but I could write pages and pages on that. QFT
  

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  7.10.2011 22:01 #50

• Mr-Movies

  Ya know now that you mention it didn't he invent the internet with Al Bore? LOL
  

  7.10.2011 22:13 #51

• DVDBack23

  Originally posted by Mik3h: He was a good salesman, nothing more. He successfully trolled people into believing he invented video chat, that incremental upgrades are worth buying, and that people have more money than sense.
  
  He could have cared less about factory workers committing suicide over bad working conditions, treating workers at Apple like garbage, skipping transplant lists with money, and being one of the few CEOs who never donated to charity. Bill gates gave over half his wealth to charity.
  
  People say he revolutionized the computing industry, no he didn't , he managed to convince people that outdated hardware with a fancy design its worthy of the £500 price tag. The software is another thing, but I could write pages and pages on that. No, he did not revolutionize the computing world, but to tag him as a "good salesman" only is very inappropriate.
  
  In 2001, there were already MP3 players on the market (look at the Diamond Rio) but Jobs could see that they were hard to use and that the average consumer didn't know how to use them (nor care). In came the iPod and iTunes. Industry, revolutionized.
  
  In 2008, there were smartphones on the market (of course). Hell, Palm had been out for at least half a decade. Jobs saw that the retail consumer, NOT the enterprise consumer, wanted such devices, but they wanted them to be light and stylish (like there current feature phones were). In came the iPhone. The average retail consumer now had a smartphone that was touchscreen, light, easy to use and considered "cool." iPhones are not as good as Android devices, they aren't. But look outside of AfterDawn and tell me if the average person understands them. They don't. An iPhone, they do. Another industry revolutionized.
  
  Tablets have been around since forever, literally. No one wanted them until the iPad. That includes businessmen and retail consumers alike. Another industry revolutionized.
  
  Macs are a waste, but get by on their design. Meh.
  
  I don't like Apple products, never have, never will. They are too locked down for me and I hate having to have Quicktime and iTunes installed, ever. They are "dumbed" down devices to me.
  
  I run a Win 7 desktop, a ChromeOS book and a Sensation 4G. I am not the average consumer. Neither are most of the everyday posters here. If I was to tell the average consumer that my phone has a dual core processor, 1GB RAM and a 8sghh82 GPU, they would nod their head without understanding. Now tell that same person that the new iPhone has a personal assistant and 500,000 apps and they will get a smile on their face cause they understand.
  
  A "good salesman" can sell you a car that's slightly above your price range. Steve Jobs understood the needs of a quarter billion regular people and got them hooked on the brand for life. It's one thing to not appreciate Apple, quite another to call Mr. Jobs a good salesman.
  
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  7.10.2011 23:19 #52

• Mr-Movies

  MP3's were not hard to use they were VERY easy even the Rio. When the Archos came out, I still have the 20GB Jukebox, it was easy to use but big and for some loading music on it might have been a bit confusing but part of that was because it truly was a new device and people were still using and use to Sony WalkMan's and cassette tapes. By the time Rio's came out I had had a MP3 player for close to a decade the Rio was nice as the newer Archos's as they got much smaller. The only thing Jobs did was put a pretty piano black finish on it and make a larger display which was nice but come on the iPods broke way too easy. I still have my original Archos and it works great mean while iPod friends were going on there 3rd iPod because they don't hold up. The sheep follow Apple because they have them in schools and that is what there use to, plus someone has brainwashed them into believing they are the best, they are not. In fact Scans came out with one that looked just like the iPod but it was horrible, sound quality bad and controls not the best, but it sure looked pretty.
  

  7.10.2011 23:42 #53

• ripstevepjobs

  Originally posted by Mr-Movies: MP3's were not hard to use they were VERY easy even the Rio. When the Archos came out, I still have the 20GB Jukebox, it was easy to use but big and for some loading music on it might have been a bit confusing but part of that was because it truly was a new device and people were still using and use to Sony WalkMan's and cassette tapes. By the time Rio's came out I had had a MP3 player for close to a decade the Rio was nice as the newer Archos's as they got much smaller. The only thing Jobs did was put a pretty piano black finish on it and make a larger display which was nice but come on the iPods broke way too easy. I still have my original Archos and it works great mean while iPod friends were going on there 3rd iPod because they don't hold up. The sheep follow Apple because they have them in schools and that is what there use to, plus someone has brainwashed them into believing they are the best, they are not. In fact Scans came out with one that looked just like the iPod but it was horrible, sound quality bad and controls not the best, but it sure looked pretty. u did not have an mp3 player in 1988 lmao

  8.10.2011 00:01 #54

• ps3lvanub

  RIP Steve Jobs, who always lived life to the macs.
  

  
  
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  8.10.2011 09:15 #55

• Mr-Movies

  No in Originally posted by ripstevepjobs: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: MP3's were not hard to use they were VERY easy even the Rio. When the Archos came out, I still have the 20GB Jukebox, it was easy to use but big and for some loading music on it might have been a bit confusing but part of that was because it truly was a new device and people were still using and use to Sony WalkMan's and cassette tapes. By the time Rio's came out I had had a MP3 player for close to a decade the Rio was nice as the newer Archos's as they got much smaller. The only thing Jobs did was put a pretty piano black finish on it and make a larger display which was nice but come on the iPods broke way too easy. I still have my original Archos and it works great mean while iPod friends were going on there 3rd iPod because they don't hold up. The sheep follow Apple because they have them in schools and that is what there use to, plus someone has brainwashed them into believing they are the best, they are not. In fact Scans came out with one that looked just like the iPod but it was horrible, sound quality bad and controls not the best, but it sure looked pretty. u did not have an mp3 player in 1988 lmao No not in '88 but 1998 when the first MP3 players came out only three years before the first horrible iPod, it seemed longer than that at the time though when I said almost a decade I was thinking around 7 years. And actually I had the Rio first so I got that backwards as I didn't have the 20GB Archos until 2000 which was huge in size even compared to iPod classic in 2001 that was 5-10GB and the Archos would work with Windows. It was at that time I bought a Scansdisk which was just like the iPod but was horrible too.

  8.10.2011 13:11 #56

• garmoon

  Not an Apple fan,BUT the man was the genius behind all their products. Which brings up the question who steps in for all the cool new stuff-can't be done? I would have been selling Apple stock the day he resigned and certainly now. I'm just too old to be holding stocks now. RIP.You made your family proud and your country prouder.

  8.10.2011 14:10 #57

• KillerBug

  Originally posted by garmoon: Not an Apple fan,BUT the man was the genius behind all their products. Which brings up the question who steps in for all the cool new stuff-can't be done? I would have been selling Apple stock the day he resigned and certainly now. I'm just too old to be holding stocks now. RIP.You made your family proud and your country prouder. About the only things that Steve brought to the product line were the deathgrip antenna that all his engineers were against and the prohibitions against allowing other companies to provide features to the devices for FREE. Oh, and he also had a hand in that great idea about putting an unshielded speaker directly below the hard disk on one of the older MAC models, causing it to reboot every time the startup sound was played.
  
  He was a salesman...a marketing mastermind. This is a huge thing...honestly, do you think that you could get people to buy an iPhone4 when there are android devices with more features, larger screens, more than double the performance, no deathgrip antenna, and costing far less? Isn't this enough for you people? Why must you say that he did a bunch of things he didn't do while completely ignoring the one thing he was a master of?
  
  Also, calling him anything other than a salesman is an insult to the countless innovators who died without such praise in spite of the fact that they actually innovated.
  
  Calling him a good man is an insult to every good man who ever died without the world praising their name.
  

  
  

  9.10.2011 03:47 #58

• core2kid

  Steve Jobs knew what people wanted. Half the population doesn't know what dual core, RAM, processor speed and all mean. They want a phone that's simple, straight forward and easy to use. That's what Apple created. With MacBooks, they created a simple operating system that does what people need without the extra bells and whistles of Windows. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who think that Windows sucks, I use Windows and I also have a Mac. I love Windows on my desktop where I can install as many programs as I need, hack devices, Jtag, etc. I use my Mac for school. I want simplicity in school and that's what Mac gives me. I don't have an iPhone and I probably will never get one but my Dad is always confused with his Android. He's 75, he doesn't have time to learn how to use a phone. I guarantee you he'll love the iPhone. Icons on a screen, it can't get much simpler than that.
  
  Apple's strong point was Marketing old products with new software. The iPhone 4S is a generation behind. Watch it sell like crazy.
  
  Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by dlockjaw: I was never a fan of Apple products,but when I saw the first iPod I was hooked. It simply blew away any of the competition. As it evolved further and further and evolved into something much more than just a portable music player driving the industry as it went.
  
  One only has to look around to see the unimaginable impact Mr. Jobs and company have had not only here, but around the world. Love him or hate him it's hard not to admire how his vision of making complex devices both simple to use and really useful made Apple a name synonymous with quality products for the non-technically oriented user.
  
  My sincere condolances to his family. May he now rest in peace. Nope, iPods were no better than many others that had been on the market for a decade prior including Archos the actual first on the market.
  I wouldn't consider iPod's better than any other device. There were many other devices with more features such as the Zune (30GB iPod Video vs 30GB Zune; Zune had more features). What made the iPods and every other Apple product a winner was the simplicity of use.

  10.10.2011 02:03 #59

• buxtahuda

  Originally posted by core2kid: What made the iPods and every other Apple product a winner was the simplicity of use. This is it exactly. I don't care what anyone says, the MP3 players I remember using at the time had three times as many buttons that were always placed differently and therefore had a learning curve. And they were all just so clunky; I realize the first-gen iPods weren't too much better, but they still were.
  
  DVDBack, thank you, I wanted to say something similar but didn't have time to research a timeline and I wasn't in to the market when I was young like I am now.
  
  Mr-Movies, this is just personal opinion of course and so a bit irrelevant, but I have not touched a single Archos product that I've enjoyed at any time of my life. MP3/MP4 players and tablets alike. That's not to say they don't hold up better and don't work well (and I haven't played with much Android on one) but the UI's (especially on older products I tried) always felt buggy and had weird menu placements. Again, just opinion, and I haven't played with many since the Android craze has started.
  
  And KillerBug, no he's not an engineer or creator. But he is still responsible for one of the most recognizable brand names in existence and I'm still of the strong belief that had he not crashed so strongly into the market with the iPhone, we would not have so many devices that are price-conscientious with better tech and more features. He set a standard for others to beat; without that standard these things would have gone a different direction altogether. Do you remember old HTC devices? Absolutely awful devices compared to the Palms and BlackBerries of the time, yellowish and unresponsive screens, buggy performance. Now look at them, arguably some of the best phones in the market.

  10.10.2011 09:12 #60

• ZippyDSM

  I'll take a slower drag and drop generic MP3 player over a Itunes infested device any day of the week!
  
  Speaking of which is there any app that will turn an jail broken Ipod touch into one?(IE shows the folders and such so I don't have to use Itunes just put the files directly on the device.)
  

  Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
  Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
  http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/

  10.10.2011 09:44 #61

• core2kid

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: I'll take a slower drag and drop generic MP3 player over a Itunes infested device any day of the week!
  
  Speaking of which is there any app that will turn an jail broken Ipod touch into one?(IE shows the folders and such so I don't have to use Itunes just put the files directly on the device.) SMS Media Player through Cydia and DiskAid on Windows/Mac.

  10.10.2011 09:58 #62

• buxtahuda

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: I'll take a slower drag and drop generic MP3 player over a Itunes infested device any day of the week!
  
  Speaking of which is there any app that will turn an jail broken Ipod touch into one?(IE shows the folders and such so I don't have to use Itunes just put the files directly on the device.) I don't know. I used to try drag'n'dropping on un-jailbroken devices like an idiot lol the music would go but not get picked up because of the naming scheme. I think there might could be something, but that naming scheme would require some conversion process. You know, you can use foobar to manage your iPods and all right? I'd recommend that program to anyone due to its openness and huge add-on base; but I don't know of a way to add files manually.
  
  **Originally posted by core2kid: SMS Media Player through Cydia and DiskAid on Windows/Mac. There you have it
  

  ~*Livin' Electronicallly*~

  10.10.2011 10:04 #63

• ZippyDSM

  Well DiskAid/fileapp is a loss for music management but not for documents(tho have to make them on the PC and put them on the Ipod via DiskAid/fileapp). I still can't save notes to the PC I have quick office which lets me copy stuff from a web browser.
  
  
  Would love to use the podcast selection for talk radio MP3s I record but I can not use that feature it seems locked to the Itunes store, I can make a play list to play only the radio stuff but its hard to do it as so the radio stuff dose not get caught in playing music ><
  

  Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
  Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
  http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/

  10.10.2011 12:01 #64

• garmoon

  One thing about the apple Iphone, besides all the apps and gadgets is that the PHONE part is not a very good phone. My wife's 3GS dropped 2 calls to my daughter's 3G coming home from work today. My daughter has already ordered the Iphone 4. My creative Jukebox mp3 was really a clunker from 2003. Loaded now, with no way to change anything, because the software won't install on my win7pc. But it always worked. And I could change the battery.

  10.10.2011 13:47 #65

• mac2012

  Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by mac2012: Steve changed the world I have owned ipods since 2001 and they are great its ironic that I have never owned a mp3 player other than the ipod. my current one is the nano 5g, the one with the camera but RIP Steve Is it ironic? That isn't the word I'd use. :D I mean every year I go into Best Buy and I say I'm going to buy a new mp3 player and I end up buying a ipod
  

  10.10.2011 15:21 #66

• ORLY?! (unverified)

  Innovator?! FFS!!! What exactly did he innovate?!

  13.10.2011 07:10 #67

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by ORLY?!: Innovator?! FFS!!! What exactly did he innovate?!
  He managed to make the Ipod synonymous with MP3 player. Other than that nothing much.
  
  

  Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
  Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
  http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/

  13.10.2011 13:28 #68

• Mr-Movies

  Originally posted by mac2012: Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Originally posted by mac2012: Steve changed the world I have owned ipods since 2001 and they are great its ironic that I have never owned a mp3 player other than the ipod. my current one is the nano 5g, the one with the camera but RIP Steve Is it ironic? That isn't the word I'd use. :D I mean every year I go into Best Buy and I say I'm going to buy a new mp3 player and I end up buying a ipod Your point is? I know people that continue to by shatty cars every time again or make the same mistakes again, so your point is??
  

  13.10.2011 14:38 #69

• ORLY?! (unverified)

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: Originally posted by ORLY?!: Innovator?! FFS!!! What exactly did he innovate?!
  He managed to make the Ipod synonymous with MP3 player. Other than that nothing much.
  Stupid much?
  
  Round corners and sales mad skills are NOT innovation; they're just that: round corners and sales mad skills.

  19.10.2011 09:33 #70

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by ORLY?!: Originally posted by ZippyDSM: Originally posted by ORLY?!: Innovator?! FFS!!! What exactly did he innovate?!
  He managed to make the Ipod synonymous with MP3 player. Other than that nothing much.
  Stupid much?
  
  Round corners and sales mad skills are NOT innovation; they're just that: round corners and sales mad skills. What are market innovations called then? Tho an inventor he is not. The most I can stomach him being called is a great businessman and a innovator in business/products which is different and very separate from creating a product IMO.
  

  Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
  Ah modern gaming its like modern film only the watering down of fiction and characters is replaced with shallow and watered down mechanics, gimmicks and shiny-er "people".
  http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/

  19.10.2011 18:12 #71