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Scottish pirate jailed for 20 months

A Scottish man has been jailed for 20 months after a court heard how he turned his family home into a major counterfeiting operation. Ian McNaughton, 44, was copying and selling copyrighted material to pay off some high gambling debts. Copying equipment was apparently found in every single room in McNaughton's house. His 20 month sentence is the longest sentence ever handed down by a Scottish court for counterfeiting.

"These are serious offences at the highest end of the scale. You turned your family home into a factory to produce fake CDs and DVDs for the Christmas market. It was an operation of a significant scale. You had major debts but it was your decision and your responsibility as to what happened within your own home. Even although you owed people a lot of money and were under extreme pressure to repay them, this is a classic case where they cynically use someone to carry out a large scale operation like this with a family home as cover." said Sheriff Alfred Vannet.



McNaughton refused to reveal who he was running the operation for. He pleaded guilty to charges of counterfeiting and breaching the trade marks act during his actions at his home in December 2002 and also admitted breaching copyright laws. "The council welcomes the sentence because of the scale of the crime and the impact it has on the legitimate businesses." Councillor Helen McKenna, convener of North Lanarkshire Council's Protective Services Sub-Committee, said.

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Written by: James Delahunty @ 5 Apr 2005 8:15

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• venomX05

  WHOA! On one hand I can see how he just wanted to help get rid of his debt, but on the other hand, he could have don't something than becoming a movie pirate.
  
  I really don't feel for him, and he kinda got what he deserved. However, it sucks now, that he isn't going to be able to help his family with anything being sent to jail and all.
  
  Guess, this is a hard lesson to learn.

  5.4.2005 08:52 #1

• Letukka

  This what happens if you are a pirate. [REMOVED] PIRACY! ALL HAIL WAREZ! ;)

  5.4.2005 08:56 #2

• baabaa

  Please keep the language to a minimum, this forum is a public place and to use such language on a front page like this was completely unnecessary.(Could you please edit your post)
  
  Yes, he was a pirate and got what he deserves, and yes I also wonder what mess his family is now in because of his actions.
  
  But the positive note is that his family have not received any fines, therefore his debts may even follow him to jail and may actually relieve the situation on his family.
  
  Seems like, the judicial system is opening it's eyes here in the UK now, I wonder how many more will be revealed....................

  5.4.2005 09:54 #3

• Toiletman

  He took the wrong path and it costed him 20 months.

  5.4.2005 12:30 #4

• safc_66

  Silly boy, got caught, but would have got a lighter sentence if he'd murdered someone !!
  

  

  5.4.2005 13:49 #5

• venomX05

  You got that right, safc! It just goes to show where the priorities are in these countries.
  
  

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  5.4.2005 13:53 #6

• vans12

  this must suck to be him. dont drop the soap. LOL!

  5.4.2005 15:56 #7

• malcdogg

  You don't do things like that where your family lives. What a degenerate.

  5.4.2005 16:11 #8

• OAKside24

  safc_66, that is the TRUTH.
  *shame the courts*
  Poor man, he was just a pirate.
  Maybe...his lovely parrot left him to be
  with his rival clan's pirate and thus he
  needed the gold from his business for revenge.
  You never know.

  6.4.2005 02:17 #9

• punx777

  jeeeeez (like kipp dynamite) how many rooms did he have?
  
  i think hes retarded first of all for not being responsible for his $ in the gambling, but 20 months is EXTREME. i think it should be 1-3 months in a minimal security facility, with some community service.

  6.4.2005 18:06 #10

• Quadratic

  I think that his case was an example to other pirators. They probably gave him 20 months just to let the other pirators know that they're not playing around.
  
  It is harsh though.

  7.4.2005 06:32 #11

• alfie27

  come on everyone, to say he got what he deserves is a bit harsh, he needed money and he took this option as a way out, has nobody on this forum ever bootlegged a movie? people in glass houses......

  7.4.2005 07:36 #12

• p4_tt

  "The council welcomes the sentence because of the scale of the crime and the impact it has on the legitimate businesses." Councillor Helen McKenna, convener of North Lanarkshire Council's Protective Services Sub-Committee, said.
  
  Can i just say theres only 5 million people in Scotland, which last year sold more than England which may i add has far lot more people so that there is bull.
  
  At the end of the day its his own doing.
  
  Plus you will be lucky if he see 15 months in jail.
  
  

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  7.4.2005 07:51 #13

• Toiletman

  Quote:come on everyone, to say he got what he deserves is a bit harsh, he needed money and he took this option as a way out,He took the wrong option. And he didn't do very well at keeping his option. Reality is harsh.
  

  Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
  
  

  7.4.2005 08:17 #14

• venomX05

  Quote:come on everyone, to say he got what he deserves is a bit harsh, he needed money and he took this option as a way out, has nobody on this forum ever bootlegged a movie? people in glass houses......He could have went out and got a second job, or a third job, sold stuff on ebay that the got from garage sales. I mean, it was endless. Let's face it, he took the easy way to make money and got caught. Feel bad for his family? Yes! Feel bad for him? Hell no...it is not like he didn't know that they were coming down hard on pirators. Think that he got WAY too much time? OH HELL YEAH...murderers get less time for that!
  
  
  

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  7.4.2005 10:49 #15

• alfie27

  the fact that there were other options open to him is true, im not saying otherwise, i wouldnt go as far as to say he deserves it though, have you never bootlegged a dvd? there are far worse things he could do than pirate some movies..

  7.4.2005 11:03 #16

• WarForOil

  Got To laugh that someone from north Lanakshire Council can comment, find this amusing coming from the most corrupt council in Scotland,however had the guy decided to sell drugs to children or become a buglar or car thief his sentence wouldnt have been so harsh.Sadly we live in society where the judicional system is made up of upper classes and look after the money people with a total disregard for the majority of descent law abiding citizens who every day in life are plaugued by living in housing schemes with substandard housing stock run by career criminals, we dont see justice there even when we call the police. I wouldnt complain if we seen the same sentences passed down to drug dealers etc who kake the lives of thousands of tax payers unbearable in certain areas{North Lanarkshire being one of them}, but no its not the case.However i hope the guy does his time without any major problems while we keep paying our high taxes to keep the wrong people in jail, mind you its nothing 180 quid to keep him in jail every week its just another couple speeding fines isnt it.

  7.4.2005 11:32 #17

• mikeh4692

  come on venom ,
  
  Are you telling me thats what you would do??, your full of it!!!
  
  2nd or 3rd job
  
  its rife all over the shop , go to the barrowlands and you will see for yourself
  
  get the junkies off the streets and the dealers before we start putting somebody tryin top make a wee skin for themselves. if the actors didnt want 20 million a picture the dvds might be less expensive , greed
  
  lavish greed from all sides , the only people to blame for piracy are warner bros, 20th century fox, columbia /tristar etc etc etc
  
  get a life , a real one , I bet youve punted a few of to yer mates for £5

  7.4.2005 11:53 #18

• haimback

  Quote:go to the barrowlands and you will see for yourself mikeh4692 most people on this forum would probably stuggle to find Scotland on the map so its highly unlikely the will know what your talking about.
  For everyones info the barrowlands or "the barras" is a market in Glasgow where it has been known for counterfit goods to be sold.
  As for implying that other forum members are pirates....thats a no go mate.
  

  what a shambles

  7.4.2005 14:01 #19

• mikeh4692

  yeah yeah keep takin the pills mate , perhaps some will beleive you , not me though !!!

  7.4.2005 14:05 #20

• mikeh4692

  no body starts out to be a pirate , but if you back up any dvd , you are one , FACT , Thats The Law !!!!

  7.4.2005 14:10 #21

• BigPantz

  I was just wondering how people like this get so involved in piracy. surely u dont just wake up one day & think 'ive got an idea!!??'..i feel sorry for the man. he was only after a quick fix, avoiding the taxman. this was a desperate act of a man desperate to get straight. by the way the article is worded it seems Mr. Big got off scot-free tho. they never go after the big fish, only the small fry. easy pickings.

  7.4.2005 15:27 #22

• malcdogg

  The simple fact of the matter, in my mind, has nothing to do with him pirating. I could care less. But the thing is he wasn't just "selling a few to his mates for £5". He set up a large scale operation IN HIS OWN FAMILIES HOME! You don't do something like that where your own loved ones live. Because you know, eventually, there's gonna be trouble. I don't care about the pirating. I care about the disregard for his own families wellbeing.

  7.4.2005 15:43 #23

• Toiletman

  mikeh4692: Please grow up. And this is coming from a 15 year old.
  

  Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
  
  

  7.4.2005 17:14 #24

• newtod

  Maybe the guys he owes money to 'encouraged' him to do a bit of copying for them?

  7.4.2005 21:24 #25

• venomX05

  @mikeh4692
  
  I see you are pointing me out...so I will do the same, time to shut you down:
  Quote:Are you telling me thats what you would do??,Yup, get another job, cause I have more common sense than that, that is why I work 2 jobs and not bother committing piracy. Because I am not stupid and bringing my family and creating an entire network in my own because I have a gambling debt. Um, correct me if I am not wrong, but if he has a gambling problem, shouldn't he have stopped before it getting out of control? This ISN'T about where he lives, who the hell cares...THIS is about him BREAKING the LAW and a HUGE PRICE! He brought in his family, now what kind of father/husband is he to do that. I could careless if he was living in the friggin' jungle, there is ALWAYS a better way. He just took the easy way out. If I ever did something like that I wouldn't want a DAMN soul to feel sorry for me, because I CHOOSE THAT PATH!
  Quote:your full of it!!! So are you!
  Quote:its rife all over the shop , go to the barrowlands and you will see for yourself Don't need to do that, because I live in the states and we have just as much crap here as you do where ever you are! So YOU can see for yourself if you were over here.
  Quote:get the junkies off the streets and the dealers before we start putting somebody tryin top make a wee skin for themselves. if the actors didnt want 20 million a picture the dvds might be less expensive , greedNot my problem, I didn't tell them to choose that path. In life, you make the choices, not the choices make you. You reap what you sow! Learn that and you will be able to grow up!
  Quote:lavish greed from all sides , the only people to blame for piracy are warner bros, 20th century fox, columbia /tristar etc etc etcLavish greed from all sides, yes! Want to know why? Because you are also stealing from them when you copy a dvd, or copy a game, or rip music off of something. So you are JUST AS WELL TO BLAME! You just didn't go overboard like he did! I am SO sure you are not in aD because you are looking at a way to fix your tv or have a computer issue. Don't let me go there and start pulling your posts from off of aD because you have a problem with what I said. You seem to think you have ALL the answer, well my friend, you don't know squat. You are the kind of people, who think that this kind of operation is cool. Well, tell you what, go ahead and do that to yourself and your family, and when you are in jail...I will say this...don't drop the soap pal!
  Quote:get a life , a real one , I bet youve punted a few of to yer mates for £5I have a life, and certainly, not some snot nose little punk like you is going to say something like that to me. Oh and by the way, I am not like you, I wouldn't rat my friends out, they will get caught if they are supposed to get caught. I don't judge them. I don't care what people do on aD, just be discreet about it and for the love of GOD don't get caught doing something dumb like this. You are probably the type of person to put up an Ebay store, because from your actions and the way you think, you seem like that type of person.
  
  In the meantime...why don't you grow up!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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  7.4.2005 21:42 #26

• mikeh4692

  guys ?I have forgot more about dvd back ups than yous know put together , so as for growing up you can kiss my butt. I do live in the real world , and that world is full off people trying to make a small skin for themselves , as for the goverment saying that piracy funds terrorism , all the guys I know that copy are not terrorists just guys looking to see the newest movies b4 they come to britain and keep their kids off their backs

  7.4.2005 23:39 #27

• alfie27

  calm down fella`s it is only a discussion,lets not turn this into a full blown argument and start getting personal

  7.4.2005 23:46 #28

• venomX05

  @alfie27
  
  Oh...I was calm alfie, until he decided to single me out for my post. He isn't saying anything special anyways.
  
  @mikeh4692
  Quote:so as for growing up you can kiss my butt.Spoken like a true child!
  Quote:I do live in the real worldReally? And what world would that be, let me guess, population is 1 right?
  Quote:and that world is full off people trying to make a small skin for themselvesYeah, it is called having a job and making a living off your hardwork and not SELLING other people's work.
  Quote:all the guys I know that copy are not terrorists just guys looking to see the newest movies b4 they come to britain and keep their kids off their backsWhat in the world does THIS statement have to do with anything? Um, the title of the article was:
  
  Scottish pirate jailed for 20 months
  
  NOT:
  
  Scottish Pirate Jailed for 20 months because he didn't want to wait for the movie to hit dvd!
  
  Dude, you aren't saying ANYTHING that is backing up your statement, so I will close with this. You statement here:
  Quote:so as for growing up you can kiss my butt.Doesn't mean much, considering you are saying nothing relevant anymore. So, if you want to continue this discussion in a civil manner, than do so. And don't take your agressions on what YOU would do and pin them on me!
  
  
  

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  7.4.2005 23:54 #29

• alfie27

  i know sorry Venom it wasnt really aimed at you

  8.4.2005 00:02 #30

• venomX05

  It's cool alfie, I have no quarrels with you.
  
  ;P
  

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  8.4.2005 00:10 #31

• alfie27

  im glad mate, i would have loved to see this guys house with all his equipment set up, i wonder how he got caught

  8.4.2005 00:16 #32

• venomX05

  Who knows alfie. I wouldn't be surprised if a friend or a customer who wanted in on it, decided to say something. But one can only imagince. It might come to light if we ever here anything more about it. But who knows.
  
  
  

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  8.4.2005 00:29 #33

• mikeh4692

  venom , i dont want to single any one out but you need to realise over here its rampant , the local markets are full of the cinema pirate jobs which are terrible at times ,the thing is people will always buy them because to take their kids to the pictures it will cost them about £35 but to get the pirate dvd will cost them £5 , as for the retail backups , they cost £15 in the shops which is equivlent to $30 in the states , where as the pirate cost £5($10) , there is alot of deprivation here and people do what they can to get their kids good stuff , think about xmas , 10 retail dvds £150( $300) compare that with 10 copy retail dvds £50($100)that means some one on lower income bracket can get almost the same quality dvd for 1/3 of the price .
  
  seems you cant speak the truth without getting shot down , no real discussion then , totally one sided , no body got balls to tell the truth about the whole pirate situation and why it is rampant ,this guy ended up in jail , probably was snitched to the cops by his competition. any way I am off to work ( sellin dvds at the local market ):0p ,only jokin. The sad thing is it wont stop people from doing it,for some of them its a job and they dont claim benifits , then again some of them do.
  
  ee arrr jim lad, pieces of eight , x marks the spot
  
  see ya guys

  8.4.2005 00:36 #34

• venomX05

  mikeh4692,
  
  Your opinion does matter, but not when you point out just one person to point at. I am all for a civil discussion as many members on here know. So, in the whole scheme of things, your opinion does matter, because whether it is right/wrong, it is still your opinion.
  
  People do have balls and we are not blind to the fact that this kind of thing goes on. Hell, just look at the articles that are posted, almost on a weekly basis there is some group or individual out there looking to make a profit, or a quick buck.
  
  Although I don't live in the UK, I know several of my friends who DO live there, and I TOTALLY agree with them that the taxation of the prices in the UK is outlandish and ridiculous. Much like the prices in Canada compared to the US. I am not defending the US in any means, but majority of things that are available are here in the US first. I can TOTALLY understand that people don't want to wait for dvd's and movies that come out. There is nothing wrong. But what IS wrong is selling them online, or through some other avenue, because that is what piracy is. I am not pointing fingers at anyone, but a majority of us DO, ahem, "backup" dvd's. So, it is definite knowledge.
  
  The only thing is that, no matter what the situation, there is always a more alternative way in order to fix it, and you shouldn't have to resort to that. I know it is easy. How can it not be, make a dvd, put a label on it, and sell it. It is alot safer to do that, than be a drug dealer, at least you won't be killed for a dvd...at least I hope not.
  
  You DO make a valid point, however, he put his family at a VERY high risk of being labeled as accomplices, and THEY could have gone to jail as well or slapped with a HUGE fine. I know that here in the states, they would have most likely been charged.
  
  So, in conclusion, I just wanted to say, that even though we don't agree and you have your own way of thought and I have mine, people are NOT blind to the fact that it happens. You mentioned Christmas, I can understand that as well, but not to go SO far as to put your family in the light of danger of being a pirate. I can see you d/l'ing a movie and have it for your kids, man, when something is released now, it ONLY takes about 3 hours before it hits a T-site. But this is about a guy who deliberatly tried to MASS produce these things, to settle a gambling debt that HE incurred himself, nobody forced him to gamble.
  
  Also, the UK isn't the worst place for piracy, even though it is a global counterfeit business around the world, China holds the torch in that department.
  
  Here is an interesting article:
  http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_06/b3919001_mz001.htm
  
  The only reason why I mention this, even though there is much more info besides dvd's, is because I just wanted to show everyone the extent and the global reach of this and everything else.
  
  Anywho, to you all, keep posting your opinions...everyone has a voice to say what they need to say, whether or not someone agrees, just don't single a person out!
  
  Have a good one all and see ya in the forums!
  
  ;P
  
  
  

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  8.4.2005 00:57 #35

• WarForOil

  Here Here children no more brngin shit down on the forum is not nice. Everyones bought a copy movie cd etc at some point or taped from the tv or radio, its all theft, borrow a book of someone and read it your taking money from the author its all the same, point being eeryone is guilty of something but we dont all get 20 months for it.If we didnt live in rip off britain im sure people would be glad to purchase everything legite, the whole matter is this we work hard for a pittance in this shit hole they call britain and we pay way to much taxes on everything so theres very little left to purchase luxury goods so when given the choice between paying 20 quid or a fiver for the same product you will pay the lesser amount thats human nature.We can send our troops to fight an illegal war at the cost of billions in pounds not counting the human cost as well but we cant build descent homes for the eldrly, nor hospitals for the sick, you see its kidney machines that pay for rockets and guns so everytime you purchase a dvd a gallon of petrol or a paket of ciggies its another 12 rouns of ammunition to kill or maim some poor sod in some faraway country. At least whe you buy dodgy stuff the money puts clothes on some poor kids back in our country more than i can say for what anything the goverment are doing with there constant drive to push povery the frontline thus lowering wages ad that creates a better inflation which in turn feeds the rich that makes the movies etc etc etc. WHO WILL YOU PUT INTO POWER IN THE NEXT ELECTION.... DOESNT MATTER WHO..... THEY WILL SCREW YOU JUST THE SAME.

  8.4.2005 04:51 #36

• mikeh4692

  well said redeemer/ golden /hidein the dark / sneakin about/ full health boy ;0)

  8.4.2005 08:02 #37

• Nephilim

  @ mikeh4692
  
  Debates are all well and good but let's stop the personal attacks.
  
  
  
  
  
  Let's everyone take a chill pill and carry on as cool as cucumbers :)
  

  
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  8.4.2005 09:49 #38

• mikeh4692

  sorry , he caught me on my soap box , I am off it now !!!

  8.4.2005 12:26 #39

• Toiletman

  One thing about piracy. If you haven't been to China/Hong Kong, you ain't seen nothing yet.
  

  Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
  
  

  8.4.2005 13:00 #40

• baabaa

  Heehee.....
  Quote:Let's everyone take a chill pill and carry on as cool as cucumbers :)Slick as always my friend
  

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  8.4.2005 13:17 #41

• Nephilim

  You're my inspiration baabaa :)
  

  
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  8.4.2005 13:38 #42

• baabaa

  LOL, as long as the inspiration doesn't drag you into piracy, as you may end up sharing a cell with Hamish Macdonald in prison here in the UK.
  
  Then we'll all be talking about you in this thread............LOL
  
  Have a good weekend..........(raises a glass).
  

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  8.4.2005 14:01 #43

• Nephilim

  If you read about me it won't be for piracy. Those poor sheep never knew what hit them...............................
  
  
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  8.4.2005 15:22 #44

• Toiletman

  What about poor Toiletman over here? Can I have a glass of Canberry Juice please?
  

  Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
  
  

  8.4.2005 19:16 #45

• baabaa

  yeah, sure you can have some of the 'hard' stuff aswell Toiletman, I'll throw in a lollipop aswell.......LOL.....
  Quote:Those poor sheep never knew what hit them...............................Those are little suckers that have escaped the pen and running around town writing Viva La Sheep on shop windows.....
  I told the High Mutton, he would have to keep an eye on them....guess he didn't afterall.
  Nice to hear the 'Top Bounty Hunter' is here to clear it all up...LOL
  
  To stay on topic, I am actually thinking about setting up a small donation line for the guys family, afterall they maybe in serious trouble........also she is gonna be all alone for 20 months and may fancy some 'wollen' lovin'...............LOL
  

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  8.4.2005 22:48 #46

• Moog1968

  I know this man personally, having bee brought up in Glasgow. This is not about a man trying to clear off gambling debts (no doubt he does have some), this is more about one mans greed. This man has for the last 7 years at least had a stall at a very popular and very busy weekend flee market (called the Barras). Over the last few years he has been arrested for piracy having been caught with somewhere in the region of £2 million pounds worth of illegal software. Believe me when i say this is no fly by night operation. Over the years i have seen this man becoming more and more clever, using children as young as 10 as runners, ie people order from a list of available software and DVD etc and the children take the money and bring you back a disk or disks. They have for the last 3 years all been in radio contact with this man Ian. He is even as sophisticated as to use spotters at various positions, watching out for police. He did get caught however and as we all know if you can't do the time - don't do the crime. There was maybe another Mr Big but believe me he wasn't that much bigger in the piracy world as this man. I know for i have used this man over the years for software, software that is by far to expensive to buy retail. Does that make me as guilty - probably.

  9.4.2005 14:26 #47

• baabaa

  Well, moog1968
  
  If what you say is indeed true, then yes he got what he deserved for sure, and the fact that he was using children to do his couriering makes me sick.
  Dragging children into the crime light like that is unforgiveable, it just goes to show, that these 'big' game pirates are known to the Police, and they are just collating evidence................
  
  You never know moog1968, you may even be starring in one of the Police's star videos of bootlegging on the market stall..................
  

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  9.4.2005 23:22 #48

• yvonnemcn

  Well im Ian's daughter and i think use are all out of order writing stuff about my dad on this!! He doesn't deserve it and the rest of my family don't deserve to see it either!! It's not as if any use haven't bought a fake dvd/cd or what ever! And it's not your place to question what kind of dad or husband he is!! He's the best and he done what he could to support his family!! Use know nothing about the situation, all use know is what the papers write! So why are use even wasting your time writing comments in especially when you don't even know him!? And whoever it was that wrote in and said they know my dad, well i can assure you that you've got the wrong person!! And who cares where the work got done.. It's nothing to do with use, it's not your home so stop going on about it!! And whoever it was that said you would have loved to see the house, that is just pathetic!! Millions of people are doing fake dvd's all over the world, just unfortunate that my dad got caught! My dad cares about nothing more than his family and we know that.. So stop going on and saying stuff that seems like he doesn't because it's a lot of rubbish coming from people that don't know the first thing about my family or the whole situation !!

  14.4.2005 05:03 #49

• DaOsT

  not read the 2 pages on this just posting My thoughts
  if he was making money from piracy and by judging his 'stretch' he must have been he deserves what he gets.....
  

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  14.4.2005 05:39 #50

• Nephilim

  @ yvonnemcn
  
  Your entire post was ignorant and contradictory.
  
  Quote:He doesn't deserve it and the rest of my family don't deserve to see it either!!He broke the law. He deserves every minute of that 20 months.
  Quote:It's not as if any use haven't bought a fake dvd/cd or what ever!And your point is what? We're not on trial darling. It's your pirate father that's on trial.
  Quote:Millions of people are doing fake dvd's all over the world, just unfortunate that my dad got caught!By that statement you acknowledge what your Dad was doing was wrong so what makes him so special that he doesn't deserve punishment for breaking the law?
  Quote: He's the best and he done what he could to support his family!!By that statement you imply that he couldn't support his family without resorting to piracy. So if in the first place he couldn't support his family where in the hell did he come up with capital to start his pirating venture?
  Quote:My dad cares about nothing more than his familyObviously. That's why you'll be without him for the next 20 months.
  
  
  
  

  
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  14.4.2005 10:08 #51

• venomX05

  @yvonnemcn
  Quote:And it's not your place to question what kind of dad or husband he is!!But, it's OUR place to say what we WANT to say because this is an OPEN forum. It isn't a private thing.
  Quote:Millions of people are doing fake dvd's all over the world, just unfortunate that my dad got caught!Yeah, but millions of people aren't SELLING them like your dad was.
  Quote:My dad cares about nothing more than his family and we know that.So...if your dad was a drug dealer than that would have be ok too/or embezzled money from a company/or robbed people because he didn't want to work. Right?
  
  Well, sorry, don't know what world you live in but the fact is, that you are asking to get caught if you sell them. So, nobody feels for your dad.
  

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  14.4.2005 11:46 #52

• Toiletman

  yvoonemcn: As I stated above, reality is harsh. Plainly put (and rather harsh I might add)...
  
  Your father ****ed up. One and a half years can do a lot to a man. Don't let him let you down.
  

  Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
  
  

  14.4.2005 12:41 #53

• yvonnemcn

  Use all talk pish man.. im not asking use to feel sorry for him or any the rest, i dont want use to and neither does he! Im just saying that use don't know the first thing about the situation or my family all use know is what the papers print as iv allready said and they also say a lot of shit!! And he actually doesn't deserve it because even the wardens in the prison have personally said that they think the sentence is far too harsh! And no it wouldn't be ok if he committed any they other crimes mentioned because i don't agree with them... But i don't think piracy is much to worry about! They should be out catching the people who are doing bad to others etc etc!! And fair enough use have your own opinions but how can you judge how a man is with his family if you have never met him!? There was me thinking that would be rather hard! And yes there is millions of people selling them not just buying them!! And yes he does care about nothing more than his family and that is why we'll be without him for 20 months because he was getting money in for the family to live! And another thing hopefully his appeal will go to plan and he'll be out before christmas...Aw i would love to see what use would be saying then!! If you feel so strongly against piracy then why buy the dvds/cds? And lastly my dad will never let me down!!

  15.4.2005 10:41 #54