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Biggest ever pirate CD bust in U.S.

Three men have been indicted following what is being called the biggest ever bust of pirated CDs in US history. The three men, Ye Teng Wen (29), Hao He (30) and Yaobin Zhai (33) were arrested last week on charges of illegally replicating 325,000 music and software CDs. A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney of North California said two of the men were American citizens and one had a U.S. work permit.

"The allegations of massive piracy of music and software reflect the potential loss of millions of dollars to the artists and businesses who legitimately own the copyrights on these works," U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan said in a statement. "These individuals are charged with affixing counterfeit labels on CDs to create the appearance of legitimacy, including the FBI Anti-Piracy Warning that stated 'Unauthorized copying is punishable under federal law.'"



Many Symantac security software packages were found amongst the pile as well as copies of Adobe Photoshop CS. There was also a large amount of Latin music found. The counterfeit discs circulated widely with one of them found at a store in Chicago. The three have been released on bail and are due in court on October 27th. It is estimated that piracy costs the entertainment and software industries tens of billions of dollars.

Source:
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Written by: James Delahunty @ 14 Oct 2005 13:44

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• nohelpme

  What a waste of time.. a drop in the bucket.

  14.10.2005 13:50 #1

• Lethal_B

  Quote:These individuals are charged with affixing counterfeit labels on CDs to create the appearance of legitimacy, including the FBI Anti-Piracy Warning that stated 'Unauthorized copying is punishable under federal law.'"oh the irony!
  
  IMO, these scumbags should be thrown in prison. downloading for loading onto your ipod or media player is one thing, but mass cloning in order to make large scale fraudulent profit (potentially tens of millions) is another.

  14.10.2005 14:01 #2

• Jasper44

  Quote:It is estimated that piracy costs the entertainment and software industries tens of billions of dollars.I think this figure is BS. The industries may not make tens of billions of dollars but they dont "lose" that much. Most of the stuff downloaded or bought illegaly is generally something the person wouldnt buy anyway. People dont want to spend $80 for a software program but when they can download it for free or buy it off some random guy for 5 bucks then they'll get it.
  
  When that happens they dont lose 80 bucks because the person never would have bought the software, they just didnt make $80.
  
  Same thing with cd's. Someone isn't going to buy a certain cd for 13 bucks but they will get it for free or for a few bucks. So the artist didn't lose $13 because they were never going to have it in the first place, they just didnt make 13.
  
  I think that figure is bloated and full of crap.

  14.10.2005 14:13 #3

• bobiroc

  I'd have to agree with you jasper. Most (if not all) pirated software goes is pirated by people that wouldn't buy it anyway. Many times is because they cannot afford it. For example: everybody wants microsoft office, but they get stuck with Worksuite or wordperfect and they do not want to drop $100's on the office suite. I am fortunate enough to Sr. Network tech for a school district so virtually every software they purchase I am automatically given a license for. It works out nice. I get Office, the Adobe suites, and all sorts of other programs. And since we license most of our software per user and not per machine I can install it at home. Its legal... I checked :)

  14.10.2005 15:14 #4

• bobiroc

  OH... and I feel that most companies lose more money fighting piracy than if they were to invest in ways to embrace P2P and make it affordable for everybody. Not everybody is willing to pay 99 cents a song that they have to burn themselves and not get the total package like the CD artwork and information. Just a thought.

  14.10.2005 15:17 #5

• vicenton

  YOU ARE RIGHT LETAL_B DOWNLOADING MP3S OR VIDEOS FROM THE NET IS ILEGAL TOO BUT WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THAT A BIG CHECK OR MILLION OF DOLLARS this guys belong to prision do you think that they are going to appear at court noo ,that is the way this is .

  14.10.2005 15:50 #6

• Shinraboy

  Quote:I think that figure is bloated and full of crap.I couldnt agree more if i tried. Besides, these music artists/companies sometimes have swiss bank accounts. Its a load of crap how they complain about losing money. Although i do not encourage piracy, i believe it should be there to make a limit on how rich a company can make.

  14.10.2005 17:56 #7

• nonoitall

  I agree, people who profit from piracy deserve to be caught, but this is really a waste of time. The music industry has its priorities mixed up. They shouldn't be fighting against piracy; they should be competing against it. Pirates make a load of money selling CDs for a quarter the price they cost in stores, so I think if the music industry lowered their prices by 75%, they could still turn a handsome profit too. But it seems the music industry would rather be greedy than smart...

  14.10.2005 18:36 #8

• Shinraboy

  Definitely!

  15.10.2005 06:09 #9

• toofer

  I can only dream of living in the mansions members of bands own for one hit song. The man is making alot more than the puppets up on stage. It`s GREED! GREED!they will never be happy, so make the best of your life and live FREE

  15.10.2005 16:01 #10

• BiGsAl

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  15.10.2005 19:19 #11

• Jasper44

  What the hell was that

  15.10.2005 20:03 #12

• aabbccdd

  BiGsAl LAY OFF the Geroge Bush deal HE NEVER SAID THAT some punk rapper said it so you are stupid enough to belive it huh WHAT A IDIOT!!! this isnt going to try in to a bush bashing thread !!!!
  or a mod will close it QUICKLY ..REPORTED !!!!!!
  

  
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  15.10.2005 21:15 #13

• Burroughs

  Ya know I don't feel a bit sorry for these overpriced Software and music companys that have taken lots of my cash when I was A kid, and if they were loosing so much money as they like to whine about they'd be belly up already, but you can't justify someone downloading a song or a program for free and say it's not the same thing, as say selling half a million bootleg cds (give or take a few hundred thousand), sorry but stealing is stealing anyway you wanna put it. Now I think I'll get back to my limewire downloads.

  15.10.2005 21:33 #14

• sunnysgr8

  I think that it is ok to download movies, music, ect. if you are doing it for yourself and not for profit. Especially if you've already paid to see it previuosly or regularly go to the movies. You are supporting their interests and they are making a lot of money. You are also paying to rent the movie to watch if your copying it that way and that is even more money for the industry, as well as buying blank DVDs, labeling if your not a Sharpie fan, and the various recorders and hardware needed to make your own private copy.
  I lived in the Caribbean for 4 years and they rented movies that proclaimed on them in bold print on the films that they were films that were academy award contenders. This means that some rich member of the academy awards either sold them or gave them (doubtful)to the privately owned rental places who in turn mass produced them and then rented them out. We were able to veiw movies well in advance of them being released in the USA. This seems to be more of a crime to me.
  I agree with aabbccdd that BiGsAl should lay off on the Bush Bashing, that is not what this forum is about.
  
  

  15.10.2005 23:04 #15

• aabbccdd

  looks like the mpaa and the RIAA will never give up BUT either will we

  15.10.2005 23:56 #16

• rocarmy

  well look at it like this there's millions more pirates ready to take the place of 2 or 3 fallen soldiers it's similar to the crack game. you can't stop it you just gotta find a way to brush it under the rug. hollaaaaaa!

  16.10.2005 23:12 #17

• BiGsAl

  what ever little girls,yaw know its true.quit worring abought someguy ripping dvd or cd from his basement and pay more attention to the petafiles,childpretators,and lying presidents,the martha steward of the world that spend 6 months in jail for a crime that a average joe would spend 10-to 30 years in prison without a doubt.like i said if this country can send a man to the moon they can if they want to stop the bootleggers but that would be once againg (duh)to much money for corporate amenrica to loose.people that comment on a subject that they dont understand are not stupid they are mentally challenged(wink-wink)so i dont blame the idiots that sit there and take all the crap the corporate america tells them and eat the s*it with toast.believe what you want.aabbccdd go write in your diary and let the adults talk...and sunnygr8 go make me a sandwich with cheese you know how i like it and put a dress on both of you.. any more backtalk from any of you girls and i will pimpslap everysingle 1 of yall so get in line.......seacreast outtttttttttttt

  17.10.2005 17:26 #18

• Jasper44

  Once again, what the hell was that? You should be banned for being a moron.

  17.10.2005 18:23 #19

• xboxdevil

  to all you people that think piracy is that bad try spending 6months in prison sharing a cell with a convicted murder for burning a few cds.ONe of my friends use to work in a shop owned by his cousin and due to a tv program today tonight(similar to 60minutes,current affairs type show) the guy lost the shop and had to destoy thousands of pirated movies which he was only selling to customers he personally knew for $5 a cd.Not a lot of profit when your selling copied cds for $5 each.as for software and record labels they mass produce cds at a cost of about 5cents each then the shops are selling them for up to $100 each.so what if some of us would rather pay less and get a copied cd.at least were not going out and committing crimes to pay for our cds.
  

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  17.10.2005 18:34 #20

• nonoitall

  Quote:Once again, what the hell was that?I must admit, the same question came to my mind after reading that post. BiGsAl, please try to word and structure your posts clearly if you expect to be taken seriously.

  17.10.2005 20:41 #21

• Jasper44

  Quote:BiGsAl, please try to word and structure your posts clearly if you expect to be taken seriously.That too, but I was refering to this--
  Quote:aabbccdd go write in your diary and let the adults talk...and sunnygr8 go make me a sandwich with cheese you know how i like it and put a dress on both of you.. any more backtalk from any of you girls and i will pimpslap everysingle 1 of yall so get in line.......seacreast outtttttttttttt]
  
  that seems just a tad bit unecessary

  17.10.2005 21:12 #22

• Jasper44

  Quote:BiGsAl, please try to word and structure your posts clearly if you expect to be taken seriously.That too, but I was refering to this--
  Quote:aabbccdd go write in your diary and let the adults talk...and sunnygr8 go make me a sandwich with cheese you know how i like it and put a dress on both of you.. any more backtalk from any of you girls and i will pimpslap everysingle 1 of yall so get in line.......seacreast outttttttttttttthat seems just a tad bit unecessary

  17.10.2005 21:13 #23

• sunnysgr8

  Once again BiGsAl you seem to be the only mentally challenged (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) member that must have a lot of free time to continually go out of the posted thread and to waste your time by insulting other members, when you could be an ADULT and add somthing of informed interest to the subject on hand. If you want a sandwich, make it yourself and use some of that imagination of your on where to stick it. PS It's 1:40 in the am my dress is off, so you can use it.

  17.10.2005 21:41 #24

• xboxdevil

  children relax there is no need for a slinging match.
  

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  17.10.2005 23:39 #25

• aabbccdd

  hey Bigall if your STUPID enough to belive some punk rapper then screw off ,lay off the race card and feeling sorry for yourself and lay off attacking and degrading the girls in this thread .CONSIDER YOURSELF REPORTED PUNK !!!

  18.10.2005 00:14 #26

• DaOsT

  totally agree those making money from piracy deserve everything they get
  

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  18.10.2005 02:17 #27

• paradyme

  It's kind of sad to see these industries and law enforcement exercise their right to arrest and prosecute. The same companies that sign these artist to both movie studios and record companies manufacture and distribute everything needed to record movies and music legally. Just think people have made a profit on what is called bootleg material in music dating back to the 70 & 60's with 8 track tapes and even long before that. For a long while this issue was dead. Through out the 80's and 90's when music was basically copied to cassette, It was nothing to know or see anybody anywhere buying copy or mass producing music which was sold traded or simply duplicated for private use. Remember the "SONY WALKMAN" Well there seem to be no big stink when cassettes where the media of choice for duplicating music. If it's illegal to copy sell or mass produce DVD video or music privately then it should be illegal also to manufacture and profit from the sales of blank DVD/CD media, CD/DVD copying software, and all associate electronic equipment used and sold to the general for private reproduction of music and video material.

  18.10.2005 21:48 #28

• xboxdevil

  some of the people on this site and many other forums might be involved in piracy whether its for personal use or mass production.and a lot of people can critise for something they probably do themselves.all you people complaining about piracy are a bunch of hypocrits.
  

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  19.10.2005 02:24 #29

• toofer

  they can`t take away our right to create our own movies. I enjoy using my camcorder and computer software to put together home movies for family and friends in DVD format. I also have converted my VHS paid for movies to DVD and don`t feel any guilt for doing it. they fact that the entertainment industry can`t create an encryption that hasn`t been broken as fast as they come up with them does my old heart good. DVD will soon be moving into a new encryption with HDCP and I`ve read no version of Windows will play the new HD DVDs except VISTA which will be coming out soon. so if you want to watch your new HD-DVD on your computer moniter you can`t unless you buy windows new OS Vista. It just seems to be closing in all around us, they won`t be happy till they milk us dry

  19.10.2005 10:24 #30

• nonoitall

  Quote:some of the people on this site and many other forums might be involved in piracy whether its for personal use or mass production.and a lot of people can critise for something they probably do themselves.all you people complaining about piracy are a bunch of hypocrits.That's quite an assumption. Most people here do not complain about piracy - they only admit that people who profit from piracy are getting what they deserve when they get caught. Also, most (possibly all but a few, maybe even all) people here do not commit piracy. Piracy, copyright infringement, and unauthorized copying are all very different things. Most here are probably guilty of the third; some may be guilty of the second, but most are probably not guilty of the former, which is the only one, IMHO, that is truly criminal.

  19.10.2005 10:38 #31

• badwulf

  Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum
  Piratebay here I come
  Gonna get a movie
  mebbe two or three
  hope the mpaa
  isn't lookn at me
  

  19.10.2005 12:07 #32

• brimeg37

  No one is forcing any of us to purchase CD's and DVD's. If you think the price is too high, then we're free to exercise our right not to purchase. But you cannot rationalize that if you think the price is too high, then you are justified in taking it. These aren't necessities of life we're talking about.

  19.10.2005 14:18 #33

• jaqbly

  screw the big buisness and the republicans that own them. i am a proud pirater i will continue to pirate for money and some for free. anyone that disagrees can die today. these companies pertected by those polatitions (bush and his administration) should all be deported to iraq and banned from the us.

  19.10.2005 20:35 #34

• flipsterz

  "veracity" look it up!!! carrying on like a lunatic taints every word one says, therefore loosing one's veracity and one becomes nothing more than a Paris Hilton or an obnoxious joke.

  19.10.2005 20:55 #35

• paradyme

  I see your point brigmeg37 but "priced too high" has nothing to do with ones need to copy or sell copywritten movie media. Convenience is. The use of DVD drives, software, or blank media, is not as wide spread as we think. I think and it's my rough estimate that in a room of ten people at any given time there may be two of those people who own a DVD burner at this time. So it is more than likely in my opinion, If you were to let it be known in jest of converstion or simply bragging that you own what is needed to copy movie media, most would be concerned and even interested in having you show them or explain to them more about technology. This along with people now knowing it can be done well with the drives and software available, can and has prompted a great deal of our associates and family members to request these copies with many offering to pay you because most people rent not buy, also don't own computers and if someone could buy a replicated copy for cost of a rental, most I feel would want to by an illegal copy. The hot seat today is the unauthorized copying of DVD's 5 years ago it was music unorthorized reproduction and downloads. And it's not the poor kid in the hood either. Just think what a college kid perhaps living on campus of any university anywhere is doing with his or her DVD burner? They're making as many illegal copies as they can and selling them realizing that most at this time people do not own or understand the technology needed to reprodduce illegal DVD movie copies. So as the purchase of DVD burners and software becomes more common place the demand will lessen and like cassette tapes of years before recording copywritten DVD's will be what's expected of people who own the technology and wish to do so.

  19.10.2005 21:04 #36

• lawndog

  ok those of yall that know me know where this is going! And those of yall that are correcting everybodies grammer get ready to correct mine, cause I don't care. Also instead of using your energy corrcting my grammer, try writing your congressman or woman!!
  K now I'll start. Regards to the article, Good I'm glad thay were copying and selling! Saving the world a lot of maoney! We're all poor anyway and could use a little help. The ones that are rich can afford to buy the real copies!! You know the same ones that are aginst copying stuff. Anouther "keep the poor man down" analage?!?
  When blank tapes started being sold, the record companies got mad and went after them. Anybody know the out come??? I do............ Record companies get a cut out of every blank tape sold. Not a big percent true, fallow the paper trail, its long and detailed, but true. Blank tapes are used for more that caopying music, just like blank CDs and Blank DvDs.!. Why not appese their stupidy and let them have a cut of the sales??
  
  Thats all for now I'll write more later!

  20.10.2005 09:30 #37

• DVDBack23

  Quote:I couldnt agree more if i tried. Besides, these music artists/companies sometimes have swiss bank accounts. Its a load of crap how they complain about losing money. Although i do not encourage piracy, i believe it should be there to make a limit on how rich a company can make.The artists dont care if people download their music, its the greedy music companies that do. Some artists like Ludacris, 50 Cent, and other big name acts make over $70,000 per show on their tours, you think they give a f**k about the 30 cents they make on every CD?
  Quote:Regards to the article, Good I'm glad thay were copying and selling! Saving the world a lot of maoney! We're all poor anyway and could use a little help. The ones that are rich can afford to buy the real copies!! You know the same ones that are aginst copying stuff.On that note...i was just wondering...it seems everyone on aD has Nero, but how many people actually purchased it ;)
  

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  20.10.2005 10:01 #38

• nonoitall

  Quote:On that note...i was just wondering...it seems everyone on aD has Nero, but how many people actually purchased it ;)I did! :) Well, actually, it came with my DVD burner when I bought it, so, technically I didn't, but it's a legal copy. :)

  20.10.2005 10:58 #39

• Speedy16

  Personally i am for and against downloading and piracy. I feel that P2P networks are a useful tool for testing purposes. Lets start off cheap. I am sure we have all been in a position where we bought a cd and only like one song on it. Well the obvious of p2p netwroks is to download several songs by a partivular artist and decide weather it woul be a good investment of $20. However, i do feel that napster and other networks that charge you a $1 per song. After downloading 10 songs it si cheaper to just buy the cd. More expensive investments such as photoshop (which can be ball parked aroun $700 for cs version) may not be the perfect tool for a picture editor, hovewever you would not want to find this out after purchasing it. Correct.... Even thought there is copy right laws out there, there is a good chance to get by them LEGALLY. For example, i am sure if you asked a few of legitament buddies, you might find a program or cd you like. Or maybe a grooup of ppl you know want the same thing but nnot the HUGE price tag. All you need to do is chip in at least a $1 and technically you own part of that cd or program. Now rather than sharing one copy you burn it to have a copy of your own. BUT BEAWRE for some agreements state that A particular program can only be used ON ONE COMPUTER...

  21.10.2005 17:19 #40

• BiGsAl

  im scared i have been reported........check it out cat
  once again IF WE CAN SEND A MAN TO THE F**KI*G MOON ASS, WE CAN WITH OUT A DOUBT STOP THE BOOT LEG OR "EVIL PIRATES" THAT ARE PAYING TAXES WHEN THEY BUY BLANK DVD'S,Nero,RECORDNOW,SONIC MY DVD,DVDBURNERS,MINIDVD'S,EVERY FU**I*G TOOL THAT IS SOLD IN YOUR LOCAL WALMART OR BEST BUY, FRY'S TO BURN YOUR DVD'S OR PS2,XBOX,GAMECUBE GAMES.this very website has forums where it tells you how to do every back up you want to do dvds,ps2,etc.i swear sunnysgr8,aabbccdd,Jasper44,nonoitall yall are the perfect example of stupid dum blind to the fact of the world around you if my post do not make sence to you is because your little brain wont absorb the truth so go and play with your pokeman cards kids............oh and aabbccdd you want me to lay off the race cards when yall are holding a full fu**i*g house..don't forget the way this country treated and still treat every non white person. it has been going for years ass, study your history stupid, racism is in this country blood. truth hurts i know this country wants to sweep this very "sensitive subject"under the rug.i dont blame you for being ashame for what this country did..this country would not be the way it is if it was not for the greed,sweat and blood of mexican's,blacks,oriental people that came here and work for shity pay while corporate america takes the credit. in the next 10 years get ready to take order's from the japanese because they are taking over. white america will sell there own parents for a dollar...p.s george w. bush hates black people and loves the saudis that came here and crash into the twin towers and killed 5000+ people and the next day grounded all fights in and out but flew the binladens out from the states to there own country praise alla for george w bush ,and papa bush whom excused his son from the vietnam war while every body else was dying for this country he was palying golf,drinking,and snorting coke up his ass.research your pass history children then responed to me ,
  seacrest out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  21.10.2005 18:27 #41

• Jasper44

  Quote:(which can be ball parked aroun $700 for cs version)This is the EXACT reason why piracy is so huge.
  
  When there is a program out there that is that freakin expensive, why would you pay for it when you could download it for nothing. There is no reason which is why people cant help themselves when it comes to downloading. Then you come to a program you want and the license fee is $20. Thats not a whole lot but then you say to yourself hey i can download it for nothing and save that $20 for mcdonalds or whatever. Its like a disease. Once you do it there is no stopping it. If you start downloading stuff be prepared cuz there aint no going back, unless of course you get busted by the feds. Then you will be crying yourself to sleep that those damn p2p networks got to you.

  21.10.2005 18:28 #42

• Jasper44

  BiGsAl, why do you keep saying seacrest out...is he your little but buddy that you go cry to when the kids pick on you at school?
  
  And why the hell do you keep posting here. None of your crap has anything to do with what the article is about.
  Quote:i swear sunnysgr8,aabbccdd,Jasper44,nonoitall yall are the perfect example of stupid dum blind to the fact of the world around you if my post do not make sence to you is because your little brain wont absorb the truth so go and play with your pokeman cards kidsWhat the hell is this? You sound like one of those people who has no friends and who gets no attention so you go into chat rooms and onto forums and talk s**t to people because it makes you feel good about yourself since you can't get that satisfaction in the real world.
  Quote:oh and aabbccdd you want me to lay off the race cards when yall are holding a full fu**i*g house..don't forget the way this country treated and still treat every non white person. it has been going for years ass, study your history stupid, racism is in this country blood. truth hurts i know this country wants to sweep this very "sensitive subject"under the rug.i dont blame you for being ashame for what this country did..this country would not be the way it is if it was not for the greed,sweat and blood of mexican's,blacks,oriental people that came here and work for shity pay while corporate america takes the credit. in the next 10 years get ready to take order's from the japanese because they are taking over. white america will sell there own parents for a dollar...p.s george w. bush hates black people and loves the saudis that came here and crash into the twin towers and killed 5000+ people and the next day grounded all fights in and out but flew the binladens out from the states to there own country praise alla for george w bush ,and papa bush whom excused his son from the vietnam war while every body else was dying for this country he was palying golf,drinking,and snorting coke up his ass.research your pass history children then responed to me ,You are entitled to your opinion of course but so am I and in my opinion your opinion is f***ing stupid.
  
  Seacrest ouuutttttt!! --- Your probably asking yourself why someone would type this in a forum, huh?

  21.10.2005 18:40 #43

• BiGsAl

  again stupid go researh,idiot this not a opinion little boy its a fact.ill tell you what go grab a book and sit your stupid ass down and read,read,read
  you might learn something the "opinion" excuse YOU USE IS COMMON.we expect that, go boy and cry to your daddy and mommy.i give you a hint so you can research on any search enging here it goes ready"FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT" REQUEST ALL THE "OPINIONS" YOU WANT LIKE GEORGE W MILITARY RECORDS good luck stupid
  big donkey d**k out...........you like that better...

  21.10.2005 18:54 #44

• Jasper44

  Quote:search engingim not quite sure what that is
  Quote: big donkey d**k out...........you like that better...i love it
  
  how old are you by the way?----14 and just not quite old enough yet to know what your talking about, or 40 and just a sad lonely man who sits at home and looks at porn 16 hours a day and stops only to watch Dr. Phil and Oprah.

  21.10.2005 19:21 #45

• brimeg37

  Unfortunately Mr. Bush's No Child Left Behind program went into effect too late to help bigsal!

  21.10.2005 19:56 #46

• nonoitall

  LOL! Yeah, I have to agree with Jasper44 on this one - my bet's on the 40-year-old lonely man. BiGsAl, you kinda remind me of this funny guy on one of the old Twilight Zone shows who loved yelling and loud noises and always thought he was out at sea on a noisy ship. What, with your "SEACREST OUTTTTTTT" thingy and all... That said, I'm not really trying to flame you or anything (though, you'll probably react as though I am anyway), I just honestly find you very funny. :D

  21.10.2005 23:08 #47

• xboxdevil

  i agree with DVDback them singers dont care if we download there music.As for Nero i got mine from limewirepro(with a key generator) i did get a copy with my burner but i lost it.as for limewire pro that cost me about 20cents.
  

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  22.10.2005 04:26 #48

• BiGsAl

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  22.10.2005 08:38 #49

• Nephilim

  BiGsAl
  
  If I see even the slightest mention of anything that doesn't have to do with the thread topic I'll ban you in a heartbeat. Politics and race have absolutely no bearing here.
  
  
  
  
  To the rest of you
  
  Don'y play a child's game. I know you're all above that sort of thing so don't make me get heavy on you folks either.
  

  
  
  Forum Rules! http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487
  
  My movies! http://www.intervocative.com/dvdcollection.aspx/Rephaim
  
  "And there we saw the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" - Numbers 13:33

  22.10.2005 09:21 #50

• Jasper44

  Sorry about that but he was pissing me off.

  22.10.2005 10:57 #51

• rocarmy

  ..........either you slang crack rock or you got a wicked jumpshot.........

  22.10.2005 18:39 #52

• BiGsAl

  nephilim i feel that if anyone should be banned it should be afterdawn for it has step by step detailed info on backing up your<legally> dvd's or dvd base games last time i checkt that was in itself illegal check out www.fbi.com under copyrited section in a way afterdawn is indeed encouraging pirates to be schooled. i like afterdawn and wish to stay it is a good site but I WONT STEP DOWN TO ANYBODY.im voiceing my own thought if you or afterdawn cant cope with it than do what you have to do 1st amendment right freedom of speech!look it up...TEAM CORE 2005 SHAREREACTOR....
  SEACREST OUT!!!!you mess with fire you get burn..IM 1 IN A BILLION WE ARE THE PLAGUE.
  WE ARE THE KEY! FEAR NOT WHO WE ARE BUT WHAT WE CAN DO!

  22.10.2005 21:00 #53

• nonoitall

  BiGsAl, the FBI has juridiction in the United States. AfterDawn is hosted in Finland. While it will likely change soon (I heard Finland is adopting stricter laws), AfterDawn is currently completely legal. Also, AfterDawn does not encourage piracy of any sort. Unauthorized copying (which is not the same as piracy) is still legal in some places and does, in fact, have legitimate uses.

  22.10.2005 21:23 #54

• BiGsAl

  once again read before you respond to me boy INTERPOOL is over anycountry this lines your isp runs thru is u.s.a. lines.Unauthorized copying (which is not the same as piracy) is still legal in some places
  yeah but not the usa.if a man murders another man and flees the country and the f.b.i finds where he is at they will call that country and get that criminal back.look i loveeeeeeee afterdawn i enjoy all the info and the b.s that goes here.but i have been to europe,asia,scotland and so far piracy is piracy.
  look at the fact bigtime rappers dont realy care what you do they make there money either way.anybody can start a dupliating business all you need is a license
  sometimes the same people withing leak there info. my friend started a company 25 years ago from scratch
  www.duplium.com now he is a millionaire out of dallas texas he duplicates all sort of cd,dvd rapper like mike jones,gospel singers etc with there approval in writting. i have many autograph cd,dvd's in my 250,000 dollar home this is a hobby for me unlike some people i dont have to get up in the morning to go to work i enjoy my time with my family <and made good money>.....i know the way this business works i have been a part of it for the past 5 years i know what im talking ABOUGHT i dont just ask for opinions i provide facts....so far the only one with a brain besides me is lawndog,xboxdevil,jaqbly,DVDBack23 real people with real brains make it in this world maybe the moderators need to go to moderating school or better yet make me a moderator.... ill have the expirence and dont talk out of my ass...c.o.r.e 2005
  the red cd team.........look for it and learn you have to know somebody that knows somebody that robbed somebody to get it......................seacrest outtttttttt

  22.10.2005 22:36 #55

• aabbccdd

  looks like bigsal knows it all guys we bow to him, HE NOW RUNS THIS SITE, its all his we know nothing, we have assumed control scotty beam me up.
  
  hoped you enjoyed your short stay bro.

  22.10.2005 22:44 #56

• Nephilim

  BiGsAl's gone and the rest of you need to settle down and get back on topic.
  

  
  
  Forum Rules! http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487
  
  My movies! http://www.intervocative.com/dvdcollection.aspx/Rephaim
  
  "And there we saw the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" - Numbers 13:33

  22.10.2005 22:50 #57

• Jasper44

  BiGsAL,
  I still don't get why a big boy living in a $250,000 house, who knows it all, only provides facts, and has real brains says Quote:seacrest outtttttttt

  22.10.2005 22:51 #58

• xboxdevil

  for 1 not everyone on this site is american i am not for 1.2 piracy is legal in some asian countries and even if i admitted to piracy my ip changes everytime i log on the internet so it would be hard to track me down and if the FBI or INTERPOLL did track me down it would be thrown outta court due to the fact that they used illegal means to track me.as for INTERPOLL my friends been on the run from them for like 3years and they still cant find he.hes murdered at least 30 people.INTERPOLL have better stuff to do then crack down on piracy.i dont know the copy right laws in finland so i cant comment on this site except that if this site is gonna get in trouble it will be in finland and not usa.as usa laws only apply to people in usa.
  

  xbox 1.1 80GB hdd xecuter 2 unleash x dash(possible upgrade in future) pc 355MHz 96 mb ram (getting new one soon hopefully)

  22.10.2005 22:52 #59

• aabbccdd

  Nephilim thank you thank you sir!!
  
  all the problems on this earth and the FBI putting resoures in to theses kind of things is be on me. of course theses guys were def. over the top

  22.10.2005 23:24 #60

• sui-cyco

  man,i just read over this thread out of boredom and man was i just entertained.just imagine that guy in a court room as a lawyer.i think the judge would jump the bench and choke that guy himself.
  

  
  modern man, evelotionary betrayer,
  modern man, ecosystem destroyer,
  modern man, destroy yourself in shame,
  modern man, pathetic example of earth's organic heritage
  just a sample of carbon-based wastage,
  just a f**king tragic epic of you and i
  

  23.10.2005 00:33 #61

• xboxdevil

  the fact is whether you chose to commit piracy is up to you.@sui cyco i totally agree with you.if only i was a judge or moderator.goodjob neph
  

  xbox 1.1 80GB hdd xecuter 2 unleash x dash(possible upgrade in future) pc 355MHz 96 mb ram (getting new one soon hopefully)

  23.10.2005 07:26 #62

• nonoitall

  Thank you Nephilim. I'm sorry if I was out of line too.

  23.10.2005 15:09 #63

• badwulf

  "The allegations of massive piracy of music and software reflect the potential loss of millions of dollars to the artists and businesses who legitimately own the copyrights on these works,"
  I'm crying-------------->really....I am

  23.10.2005 16:41 #64

• sui-cyco

  but are you really crying?...or just faking it?
  
  there is nothing worse than a faker.

  23.10.2005 17:34 #65

• badwulf

  I believe it is fair to say that if I were a member of the league of vampires (the motion picture and music industry of america),I would most likely lament the loss of extra mercedes', multi-million dollar homes and new swiss bank accounts that pirating in one form or another deprives them of. But in all honesty I do not feel pity nor shed a tear for those who have to much already and look to go after and make examples of the average joe to warn the rest that they may be next. For every one they prosecute a million more there will be. Piratism cannot be stopped, it will just evolve against every obstacle. This is not to say I condone the actions of ones like those mentioned in the article above, that's just plain greed and stupidity. Profit should not be the goal, it should be sharing.

  24.10.2005 18:12 #66

• sui-cyco

  you could also point out that the people complaining about piracy are also taking part in it.think about it,who is one of the biggest complainers about piracy...SONY!but they make dvd burners and blank dvdr's.which you obviously need to pirate their stuff. who really needs a dvd burner to store 5-9gb of files onto one disc? or who has that many home movies to warrant a 100pk spindle of dvdr's? (maybe an amateur porn star).so sony knows that they are making money on people backing up their movies and games that they own and from pirates that steal sony movies and games.you know sony burners sell like hot cakes as well as their media because of that fact.

  24.10.2005 21:01 #67

• brimeg37

  The movie and music industry, like any other business is profit motivated. Additionally most of these companies are publicly owned and must answer to the shareholders (me and you or someone you know) who demand a profit.
  
  The music industry has suffered in large part to a poorer quality product due to their focus on band appearance rather than the music. This resulted in huge profits in the short term with short-lived acts and left talented musicians to make it on their own. Recording artists get somewhere around a dollar per CD after production costs are met. Many do not pocket much money from CD sales, which is why some support giving their music away. This increases the band following allowing them to sell more concert tickets, where they can make some money. (bought a Stones ticket lately?)
  
  In any year many movies are produced; some that make a huge profit, some that are box office bombs, and many in between. And some that don’t get past the test market and go right to DVD. If the studios knew beforehand that a movie would result in red ink, it obviously wouldn't see the light of day. The successes help offset the failures.
  
  DVD sales have opened up a new avenue for the studios to increase the likelihood that a movie will result in a profit or enable them to reduce their losses. This allows the studios to take more risks in the movies it chooses to make. Some would contend that this results in lower quality films. But it also results in some good movies that are not appealing to the movie going public (mostly teenagers), and instead enjoying success in the DVD market.
  
  It appears most here are against piracy and support copying a movie or CD that you do not own for private use. Some have rationalized that the studios make too much money so their actions are justified (I suppose they are looking at the studio’s balance sheet). Others have indicated that if they copy a movie that they would not have otherwise purchased, then no one loses. And further contend that since the studios get a portion of the proceeds of blank media sales, they do make money and should be happy with that.
  
  The conclusion that Sony supports piracy by manufacturing DVD burners by a previous writer is ridiculous. Consumers will buy DVD burners. If Sony can make money by selling burners and blank media, then they are going to do it or be beaten out by their competitors. Should a car manufacturer cease to produce cars because they are being used to commit crime? These devices can legitimately be used for home movies, PVR’s, data backup, along with making DVD backups of movies you own.
  
  While the studios aren’t losing a sale when someone makes a copy of a DVD that he or she would not have otherwise purchased, there currently is no way to permit that while preventing copying one that would have otherwise been purchased.
  
  I would surmise that most people who copy movies and music for their own use that they do not own are doing simply because they can, more convenient, but mostly because it costs less. The listener supported radio station in my area points out during its fund drives that only ten percent of the people listening will make a donation. The station doesn’t incur any additional expense if I listen. And they don’t even know if I’m listening. But someone has to pay for the programming or it will not continue to exist. By the same token as long as enough people are willing to rent and purchase DVD’s for a profit to be made, they will continue to be there.
  
  As a software developer, if I spent my time and money developing marketable software only to have the public decide they should be able to obtain it free of charge, I would fight it as well.
  

  25.10.2005 08:15 #68

• sui-cyco

  Quote:The conclusion that Sony supports piracy by manufacturing DVD burners by a previous writer is ridiculousof course they dont support the piracy of their stuff.if you havent noticed,sony movies are usually the hardest movies to backup.and they pursue people more aggressively for piracy.but what other entertainment company produces dvd burners and blank media? none that i know of.while they dont want anybody pirating or lagally backing up their stuff they dont mind you cutting down their competition in the entertainment world while making a profit on it themselves.
  Quote:As a software developer, if I spent my time and money developing marketable software only to have the public decide they should be able to obtain it free of charge, I would fight it as wellyes,but how effective is it to put everybody in jail for doing so?you would overload the legal system and then the government would start to get irate with the software companies for not finding ways to better protect their software and depending on the government to be their personal security guards.if they dont want people pirating their software then they should spend some money on bettering their software protection.just like people buy car alarms to protect their car and not ask a cop to sit out in front of their house all day.

  25.10.2005 09:38 #69

• brimeg37

  Quote:
  yes,but how effective is it to put everybody in jail for doing so?you would overload the legal system and then the government would start to get irate with the software companies for not finding ways to better protect their software and depending on the government to be their personal security guards.if they dont want people pirating their software then they should spend some money on bettering their software protection.just like people buy car alarms to protect their car and not ask a cop to sit out in front of their house all day.
  I don’t see merit in your position. Would you suggest the police stop ticketing speeders because everyone is doing it? Or because the technology exists to put a speed restrictive device in a car that reacts with a signal on the road and limit the speed of the car to the posted limit? It isn’t necessary to put anybody in jail. Fining will deter the vast majority. As a taxpayer, I want my government to be fiscally responsible. If the government is spending money unnecessarily, then it is the taxpayers who bear the cost. However the government has a financial interest in this. The industry pays taxes and employs a great many people who also pay taxes.
  
  If you were to intentionally leave your car running with the keys in the ignition while you run into the store and the car was stolen, is the thief any less guilty than had he picked the lock? Would you not expect the police to treat it as a crime and try to recover your vehicle and bring the thief to justice? The movie industry is not asking the government for prevention, as in your analogy, but rather legislation and enforcement. If a burglar wants to break into your home, he will find a way to do it. Banks take action to lessen the chance of robbery but it still happens. For years the credit card industry and to a lesser degree, the insurance industry, ignored fraud because it was such a small percentage of their business. They are now taking notice.
  
  The dilemma here in my opinion is how to allow consumers to make legal backups of purchased media and prevent file swapping, piracy, and illegal copying. You are insinuating that either there is an easy solution or that the industry isn’t financially committed to finding it. I disagree with both of those assessments.
  
  Quote:
  of course they dont support the piracy of their stuff.if you havent noticed,sony movies are usually the hardest movies to backup.and they pursue people more aggressively for piracy.but what other entertainment company produces dvd burners and blank media? none that i know of.while they dont want anybody pirating or lagally backing up their stuff they dont mind you cutting down their competition in the entertainment world while making a profit on it themselves
  I don’t find fault with Sony manufacturing DVD burners, as previously stated. They do have legal uses. Should Sony not make burners because the other studios are not making their movies difficult to backup while their competitors continue to sell them? While I don’t support the copy protection that prevents the consumer from making backup copies of purchased media, it sounds as though you would not find fault with Sony if all the studios put copy protection on.
  
  This isn’t all that different than patents and the protection they’re afforded.

  25.10.2005 14:52 #70

• sui-cyco

  to sum it up(because these reponses are getting to drawn out).we have and other countries have more pressing issues than piracy.and software and entertainment companies need to fjght their own battles and quit burdening our governments about it.
  
  and by the way... Quote:If you were to intentionally leave your car running with the keys in the ignition while you run into the store and the car was stolen, is the thief any less guilty than had he picked the lock?that guy is an idiot and i hope he never gets his car back.

  25.10.2005 15:44 #71

• toofer

  thats what I`m talkin bout

  29.10.2005 13:01 #72