LimeWire Counter Sues RIAA

LimeWire has filed a counter claim today in response to a lawsuit brought against it by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) last month. The RIAA sued LimeWire for not complying with a cease and desist notification sent in September 2005 by the trade group. LimeWire's stance is that the RIAA is out to destroy P2P networks to gain complete control over digital music distribution online.

"[The RIAA�s] goal was simple: to destroy any online music distribution service they did not own or control, or force such services to do business with them on exclusive and/or other anticompetitive terms so as to limit and ultimately control the distribution and pricing of digital music, all to the detriment of consumers." the complaint reads.

Most of the complaint denied or claimed no knowledge to the majority of allegations made by the RIAA. LimeWire claimed that because of the RIAA's uncooperative position, it was very difficult to negotiate. It was expected that LimeWire would make changes like those made by iMesh and in the claim, LimeWire criticises iMesh and its working relationship with the RIAA.

"iMesh's and the RIAA's goal is to have these P2P companies concede, under the thread of expensive litigation, to sell their assets for essentially nothing, with the promise of a 'get out of jail free card' from the RIAA. In turn, the P2P company must simply turn-over its userbase (which is the single largest asset typically) to imesh so they can then force a conversion to the iMesh platform which, in turn, will lead to huge profits to iMesh and, of course, the Major Labels."

Sources:
Inquirer
Slyck

Thanks to The_Fiend for the News Submission.

Written by: James Delahunty @ 28 Sep 2006 20:52

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117 comments

Pop_Smith

Woo Hoo! Go LimeWire, although with the stupid lawyers and judges in the most corrupt legal system in the world I don't expect LimeWire to win this battle. But heh, its pretty true that the RIAA is guilty of anticompetitive terms, they should be sued for violating the AntiTrust agreement laws/acts.

But, like I said, with the corrupt lawyers and judges in the American piece of trash legal system I don't expect LimeWire to win. Its too bad really that just because the RIAA is huge, like Micro$oft, they too can overrule even the Supreme Court of the USA (If a ruling ever gets that far).

28.9.2006 21:48 #1

oofRome

To be fair, the RIAA isn't one single company - it's a trade group comprised of major recording companies.

Nonetheless... &*$% the RIAA.
The way these labels do business has always been controversial; both in treating their own artists and their customers.

28.9.2006 23:05 #2

ZippyDSM

I hope they an make a dent I dout it tho...but I hope!

29.9.2006 00:02 #3

sammorris

It is indeed a trade group, but the higher you go in it, the more corrupt it gets, like a polluted river, you go upstream to find the source of the pollutant. best wishes for Limewire in this case, eD2K's defense, well it wasn't!

29.9.2006 04:38 #4

webwise

oofRome, you call the RIAA a 'trade group of companies'.
In Europe that is called a cartel and is illegal under competition rules. Right on Pop_Smith

29.9.2006 04:47 #5

sammorris

Haha, it's not quite a cartel LOL!

29.9.2006 04:49 #6

webwise

It is under European law. I think the land of my fathers defines it differently. But then they regularly do. Which is why the European Commission fined Micro$oft for things that the US said were OK.

29.9.2006 05:00 #7

sammorris

Yeah but the MPAA (which are one and the same with the RIAA now) forced the US government to impose trade sanctions on Sweden to close the Pirate bay, so is anyone in this business legit?

29.9.2006 05:06 #8

webwise

Well...no. Have you ever heard of a legit politician? Or a legit big business? I'm a US citizen (and generally proud of it) living in Europe. The politicians here are just as corrupt as in the States. Europe's answer to the Supreme Court is the European Commission. And (admittedly by a devious route) they are answerable to the electorate. So if something really sucks they get away with it less. Weird system here. Sweden and the EU are totally different, even though Sweden is a member of the EU. There is no 'federal law' per se in Europe. The US govt didn't put sanctions on Europe (although they tried that once) they put them on a minor member company. European law does not always over-rule the seperate nation's laws. But it does when it comes to fining Microbucks.LOL.

29.9.2006 05:26 #9

sammorris

Hmm, well, they're forgiven for that. A single bean left in the hands of Microsoft is about as welcome as a group hug in a burns unit, as someone I know used to say...

29.9.2006 05:31 #10

ofolion

I wonder what will be the outcome of this lawsuit, imagine if they lost and the RIAA was ordered to pay millions of dollars to LimeWire...

29.9.2006 07:05 #11

sammorris

LOL if only...

29.9.2006 07:21 #12

gogochar

I personally don't want to see them win. If they do win think about it for a second. Will the RIAA win. Maybe, but we lose either way.

29.9.2006 07:22 #13

webwise

Hey ofolion, get real. We all know the outcome. Bye bye Limewire. The only thing that is going to affect these 'I want it all at my price' pr*ts is when someone else replaces Limewire....and so ad infinitum. Despite being fined millions it is clear that many sharing communities can't actually pay. So RIAA etc usually lose money. In fact they are losing more than they are gaining. And big business HATES that. Sooner or later they will have to work out a new more equitable system to replace the old idea of 'you have to go to the store and pay our prices' and 'if you want someone else to listen to your music they have to come to your house'. One day we will welcome these grab-it-alls to 2006 (or 07 or 08 etc.)

29.9.2006 07:29 #14

sammorris

It's going to come down to BitTorrent to stop this. When they realise there's nothing left but BT, they'll go after that, and they won't succeed.

29.9.2006 07:35 #15

halfhere

i am all for limewire on this, way to go..

29.9.2006 07:56 #16

Xeres

hey,hey hey, ,,, let's be a little easy on those politicians!!! I do know of and honest one!! I can even give you directions to his grave!!! hehehehehe

The RIAA must be goverment owned is the way I see it... I bunch of jerks with no skills to speak of living off the sweat of the rest of humanity.

If the Artist got the money I wouldn't mind, but all those blodsuckers can eat sh-- and die as far as I am concerned. My best hope for the RIAA is they be forced to visit a sadistic proctoligist with a aids infected probe.

29.9.2006 11:24 #17

henthom

The RIA-----ASS ARE BLOOD SUCKERS THEY hate to see a small man survive they are out to for monopoly hit them off the map.good luck lime you will win.

Thomas from Belize C.A.

29.9.2006 13:25 #18

pjc3adm

The anti-trust laws set up by Teddy Roosevelt were perverted into attacking every effort by working people to defend themselves against the violent predations of the robber barons.Ovzer time,what is now known as 'Spin' rewrote ane expunged the history of the weak and defenseless - contrary to ancient American egalitarian insticts.

The last time an American government imposed such a liberating structure was after the victory in 1945,
when Harry truman and the remnants of the Roosevelt Democrats broke up the vertical and horizontal trusts of Wilhelmine and Hitlerite Germany - much to its immediate advantage, because the war-shattered country boomed and rebuilt from zero.

For a tiny clique of patricians to enable successive perversions of the essential drive of small to medium enterprises to rebuild any economy is utter lunacy, if not l�s� majest� - perfidy.

Corporative stupidity and cupidity may rule the world,
but they did not construct the patents they now hold other than by encouraging their banker friends to support new ideas at starvation level, thereafter to dent medium-term liquidity in order that the slowcoach old,but trusted (because eventually proven)concerns can buy out young businesses & leave them debt-encrusted until their partners are elderly or prematurely dead.

This was never the American Way. Ron Paul, with whom I disagree on almost everything, emphasised hard truths when he spoke on TV to a nationwide audience before a Congress of empty seats, other than the two rows immediately behind him.

Still, I am just a st�mmer foreigner.

P.J.Crookall.

29.9.2006 14:24 #19

pedrost

JUST GLAD SOMEBODY IS STANDING UP TP RIAA AND TO BORROW FLO'S LINE " KISS MY GRITS!!!!"

29.9.2006 15:44 #20

funkintel

this is like david vs. goliath.

it will take an act of god for Limewire not to be crushed, but if goliath is slain, all the people will rejoice.

29.9.2006 16:22 #21

AlmostOz

i hope limewire wins
The RIAA is fighting a losing battle anyway, it doesn't matter how much money they throw at the problem, theres millions of us out there using the net with high speed connections, napster shut down, kazaa popped up, then limwire popped up. if limewire goes down bearshare etc will be popular, theres hundreds of p2p's out there.

Eventually movies will be released on the net for free, with little advertisements playing in the corner

29.9.2006 18:00 #22

mattmin

29.9.2006 19:42 #23

SovMish

I salute Limewire's stance on this issue.
The RIAA is just desperate right now, they know that they're slowly going out of business... last desperate stand is to sue everyone... idiots.

29.9.2006 20:13 #24

johnaus

Ido not understand American logic. To me, as an Australian, The system stinks when a great company like Limewire is penalised for doing the right thing and as I understand it not breaking the law as they ask you to purchase music downloads when you search for an Artist or song.
The RIAA stinks.
Good luck Limewire
Regards,
Johnaus

30.9.2006 03:11 #25

mark5hs

I sure hope Limewire succeeds. The RIAA doesn't give a rats ass about piracy, they just go after pirates as way of getting more money

30.9.2006 03:11 #26

mattmin

30.9.2006 03:20 #27

sammorris

Mm, shame on them indeed. Again. Yet again. Yet Yet again.

30.9.2006 03:45 #28

mattmin

30.9.2006 03:58 #29

flyingv

I agree, this whole thing has gotten out of hand and these "Police" of the digital world need to take a time out!!!

30.9.2006 11:16 #30

DVDBack23

im glad that limewire isnt bending over and taking it...

30.9.2006 14:41 #31

mattmin

30.9.2006 15:22 #32

AlmostOz

they must be a stale business, they need to adapt with the changes in technology and embrace them. history shows companies that don't get left behind and go broke.
They have had it sweet for the last 15 or so years since compact disc came out - its cheap to make, and you can sell for it a larger gross profit.
The internet and digital music is challenging that.
Companies like apple (itunes music store - i buy a lot of that site, even though i could get it for free) and warner bros (releasing copyrights to youtube) are, and i bet they are sitting sweet in the next few years as internet speeds get faster and faster and new more accessable formats become available

30.9.2006 23:47 #33

Andrew691

I remember reading somewhere that the MPAA/RIAA somehow got several million $$$ from i think it was Itunes (few cents per song), to give to the artists, (the MPAA) claiming the artists werent getting much money from downloads.
Did any artists actually get any of this money NO, my thinking is that staff just got a pay rise.

They cant possibly think they can stop piracy, specially not in-home copying like VCR DVR recordings.
Even if they do slowly take down all p2p networks, they will be hard pressed taking down even a few bittorrent sites. Piratebay for example, they couldnt even take down a site that has some any gigs worth of pirated content.
Limewire is most probably doomed like all other p2p programs will be, it was going to hell anyway, getting very loaded with viruses and crap.

1.10.2006 03:20 #34

sammorris

Not if you looked closely enough. Sure it was abused like every other p2p system, but if you looked properly it was easy to bypass all that crud.

1.10.2006 03:40 #35

Andrew691

yea i spose it was easy to spot fake files, and there are tools that check to see if what you find is legit before you get it, but some people are just stupid and dont take notice of details.

1.10.2006 03:46 #36

ZippyDSM

its one thing when they try and fake real numbers but then they count fake files they have put into the P2P network and money lost.....just blah.....a drunken raging 3 year old makes more since oh wait......never mind...

1.10.2006 08:39 #37

mattmin

1.10.2006 09:03 #38

ZippyDSM

mattmin
I am more for a standerized tax on Sat V,Radio and cable and all forums of net,1/3rd of the tax would go to the regulation of it and the rest to the M.a.f.i.a.a,also change how boardband plans work

Non downoader
Less than 1GB inconstant downlaod
20-50KBS speed(throttle back to a min of 20)
Price 20ish a month

Heavy Suffer's
Less than 2GB inconstant download
50-100 KBS (throttle back to a min of 20)
price 30ish a month

Downloader plan 1
Less than 6GB a month
50-100 KBS (throttle back to a min of 50)
price 30ish a month

Downloader plan 2
Less than 9GB a month
80-200 KBS (throttle back to a min of 80)
price 50ish a month

Downloader plan 3
AS much as your you can downlaod
400+ KBS
price 70ish a month

Altho thats if Company's don't abuse their fing throttle back policies ><

I don't mind paying 50-100 a month for solid fast net with no "red tape" but theres always something these dim corporations fck up,altho tis a shame the government has become a larger dimer beast....

I am on sat net right now I don't know how long it will last I think since theres a billing issue (I was setup on the monthly payment and somehow they want 600$ right now) they wont let me surf at full speed I keep gettign throttled back to dailup I just spent 136 on a unplaned "custom" install.....all for the sake of getting off dail up...and ....ggrrrrrrrr

1.10.2006 09:22 #39

davidl1l

way to go limewire tie this up for months,even years...in the courts...

1.10.2006 10:04 #40

sammorris

Simple solution:
Online Multimedia database running via HTTP or FTP, hosting masses of mp3s, videos and games for downloads. Charge reasonable prices for them (say �5 or $7.50/hour for mp3s, �6 or $9/hour for movies and between �10 and �20 for games) and then people would be happy to buy them. Charge an extra little to have them put on CD/DVD and mailed to you.
If only...

1.10.2006 10:21 #41

ZippyDSM

sammorris
no thanks,gotta bring it down a bit more for the common folk.
10 a month with a account limit of 4 GB
1$ a cd 4$ for DVDs

20 with a limit of 10GB a month and
80$ a cd 3$ for DVDs

30-40 for unlimited

they are to interested in maximizing their bottom line by sung people into the ground than bring the industry out of the dark ages....

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!

1.10.2006 10:37 #42

sammorris

Uh-uh. Monthly fee ain't gonna cut it, that doesn't imply a legal share. Get real, any system like that will have some form of extortion.

Your weapons may include fear, surprise and a fantatical devotion to the pope, but theirs will include high costs. What you gonna do?

1.10.2006 10:43 #43

ZippyDSM

sammorris
normal monthly fees never cut it bu cheap monthly fees do :P

But anyway I would rather pay 10-30 more a month to just make all downloading league and close the MEDIA INQUISITION down forever.

1.10.2006 10:47 #44

sammorris

$xx a month won't satisfy the anti-copyright people, they'll think you're just paying for the service, not the media. It will need to be pay per file to stop them moaning.

1.10.2006 10:48 #45

ZippyDSM

sure ok
Music
20 cents a MB (1$ per 5MB)

Movies
25 cents per 25MB (about 5$ a dvd size movie)

Games
25 cents per 25MB (about 5$ a dvd sized game)

new content can be X2 priced any more than that is robbery....

1.10.2006 11:00 #46

sammorris

price per bitrate is also out. Makes songs cheap if you settle for a lower bitrate. the media agencies don't like that either. Besides $1 for a 5MB song is more than most places charge now. We're on about making the prices lower!
Movies would probably be offered in DivX or a similar format or they would take too long to download on many people's connections. Just because I can get a 4GB DVD size file in 2 1/2 hours doesn't mean the average person can.

1.10.2006 11:28 #47

ZippyDSM

sammorris
heh
well you see a low qauilty moive is 700MB a high qauilty moive is 1.4-2.0GB a "DVD" would be more becuse you get all the menus and stuff.
this way they can get more money for HD movies whitch would cost more to download becuse a HD moive in BR or HDDVD format would be 10-30GB

Same for songs 5MB would be "normal" qauilty you can get cheaper crappy qauilty for less money,a HQ song ranges from 7-15MB .

if they real realy want to go by MP3 moive and such then 3$ a movie regaurdless of qauilty 6 for new

50cents per MP3 2$ for new

games would be 4$ per game and no more than 8 for new.

it all averages out.

1.10.2006 12:01 #48

sammorris

Games too cheap. I don't even know why we're discussing this, it'll never happen.

1.10.2006 12:03 #49

ZippyDSM

sammorris
you not paying for packageign and crap no need to tact it on raise the price or retail packages.

altho I could go as high as 20 for new games and thats priced to the quality of the crap fests they make genrealy.

I a still burning for buying Q4 for 50$ day one.

however there is one game I am wiling to pay 50 for..mmm need to preorder it *drool*

1.10.2006 12:10 #50

Chris1000

The biggest problem with the people who make games, music and movies is that they have gotten very greedy in the past few years and are charging way too much for their stuff.

That, and they make a lot of crap that no one wants to buy, because the games are horrible in their control schemes, the movies are just horrible, and the music is generic stuff that is the same beats and rhythms over and over again.

They need to stop pumping out artists whose music is well..... crappy compared to the lesser knowns. Hilary Duff's music is great, but most people only talk about her Disney show, as an example.

They need to lower prices on music, games and movies to about the 20 dollar range for a new movie or CD, and about 5-9 dollars for a old one.

Or, and this is a good method for dealing with rising transportation costs, have the people buying the stuff bring their own discs, pay a lower price and burn their own games and music right there in the store.

Would save a lot of transportation money for paying truckers, would save a lot of gas, and would save numerous other costs.

1.10.2006 12:36 #51

ZippyDSM

Chris1000
*nods nods*

I use Quake 4 as a example of how games have fallen 50$ when it came out it offers a basic fps romp nothing remotely memorable basic MP that makes Q3 look like UT04 and a SP side that makes Q1 look great....

Hell Duke 3d and Blood still hold the most innovating level design in my book.

1.10.2006 12:41 #52

mattmin

1.10.2006 13:04 #53

borhan9

So imesh is in bed with the devil so they can stay clean so to speak. Its not going to change anything u close another one and a another will open.

Hence it never ends.

1.10.2006 14:02 #54

sammorris

Hmm well, is anyone listening? :P

1.10.2006 14:05 #55

ZippyDSM

sammorris
No but WE are here none the less :P

1.10.2006 14:29 #56

cody69

no clue!!

1.10.2006 16:46 #57

iwantLove

i agree with chris1000 \\\"The biggest problem with the people who make games, music and movies is that they have gotten very greedy in the past few years and are charging way too much for their stuff.
\\\"

ya they charge too much for their stuff.

2.10.2006 07:07 #58

mattmin

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2.10.2006 07:28 #59

rbrock

if you want it free just record from radio, web radio, the library, your buddies, movies, buy a used cd record it take it back say it skiped What are they gonna do put all these people in jail too? they gave up on tapes, they will go down kicking and screaming on cd's and dvd's thats why they are comming up with this blue ray crap, they can't stop it all they can do is change the format and hope it slows down for a while so they can make a few more bucks We will crack this too If you make a output we will have an input

2.10.2006 16:17 #60

mattmin

2.10.2006 16:40 #61

sammorris

3000 films, at what, �10 each shall we say for buying the full thing? �30,000. That's a fair bit more than I think I've seen people busted over.

3.10.2006 00:27 #62

mattmin

@sammorris

I was exaggerating, the point is no one has been prosecuted for HOME RECORDING.

There is a double standard here with the exception that people who home record are most of the time NOT SHARING.

You did the math, it is STILL ALOT OF MONEY not paid to the copyright holders am I right?

3.10.2006 07:26 #63

sammorris

yes it is, and that was what I meant.

3.10.2006 07:32 #64

ZippyDSM

They also are acting liek you are gettign max qauilty out of shareing when most of the time you are not....

3.10.2006 07:37 #65

mattmin

3.10.2006 07:47 #66

ZippyDSM

mattmin
and thats why some of us have the latest "free" norton corpate AV programs running altho frankly they are nothing to drool over.

anyone try trend micros PC cillin 2007? I ahve a demo of it yet to install.

3.10.2006 08:04 #67

mattmin

3.10.2006 08:45 #68

ZippyDSM

mattmin
its called the "NET" you can find alot of "FREE" things off it,I live off the net and am happy with it :P

east I will be happy when I get a stable fast connection ><

3.10.2006 08:52 #69

sammorris

I use AVG, nice and minimal, nice and doesn't-crash-your-system-and-also-free.

3.10.2006 08:56 #70

mattmin

3.10.2006 10:17 #71

Andrew691

Yeah i hate Norton, used to be good now its just bloated crap thats way to expensive. AVG has to be one of the best out.

@Zippydsm
Why did you get banned?
I havent tried PC Cillin but if its anything like Trend Micro Anti-Spyware it will work awesome, this program picks up so much stuff its amazing even has a thing that stops new programs installing to registry until you allow them. (popup after install of program)

3.10.2006 12:25 #72

sammorris

Yeah Norton's main problem is that it likes to be the last application to close, whereas windows also likes to be the last thing to close. That caused so many invalid shutdown on a friend's PC he lost his boot sector. Plus it's expensive.
Zippy was suspended due to a non-functional email apparently.

3.10.2006 12:49 #73

ZippyDSM

sammorris
I have no idea whats up with netzero 0-o

its been being fickle lately ><

3.10.2006 12:54 #74

sammorris

Lol you should get a gmail invite!

3.10.2006 13:01 #75

mattmin

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mattmin

3.10.2006 13:54 #76

z9999

"The RIAA must be goverment owned is the way I see it..."

Actually it is the other way around. Money is power. The ones who actually run each country, or should I say 'Pull the strings', are the ones who have the power (money) to do so. Long ago when Kings led their armies to battle, or directly imposing rule over their citizenry, they also put themselves in a position of accountability for their actions. As such modern governments have evolved in a way that a countries rulers are no longer held accountable for their actions, and instead their proxies, who are but puppets who lack the financial means to achieve their goals are held accountable. Countries are no longer ruled by a single individual, but many individuals who possess the majority of the wealth within that country. The ones possessing the greatest wealth have the greatest control, therefore there is a constant battle between the wealthy to achieve a greater portion of control, which can only be exerted by possessing a greater amount of wealth. Microsoft, MPAA, RIAA, and several other entities are not losing money in reality, but seeing their profits increasing slower than they wish, and thus, more slowly increasing their power and control. The American dream is the problem, the accumulation of a massive portion of a countries wealth by but a few, with no imposed limits. At some point it will become noticeable by a majority that the widening gap between the haves and the have nots is a major problem, in fact it is THE major problem.

7.10.2006 01:35 #77

ZippyDSM

z9999
at one time the government regulated the rich a bit better >>

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
"Hollywood the 4kids of comic moives."
Looking to swap analog sticks on a PS2 pad,need some help or info
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/398201#2403533

7.10.2006 03:38 #78

mattmin

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7.10.2006 05:59 #79

S2K

"EVERYONE on the FACE OF THE EARTH WHO HAS DONE HOME RECORDING THEN IS IN VIOLATION OF PIRACY, COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT AND BEATING THE RIAA AND MPAA OUT OF A ROYALTY. "

not at all. there is no legal case law at all supporting your claim.

27.10.2006 15:49 #80

S2K

I would strongly advise everyone not to take anything mattmin says on this too seriously.

He has bragged that he himself has done over "$1 billion in copyright prosecution" for the RIAA (LOL!), yet doesn't know the difference between downloading, uploading and seemed totally unaware that no one has been proscuted for downloading (as the result of his own confusion)

27.10.2006 15:59 #81

ZippyDSM

S2K
there is soemthign to it but the way the system works whos know whats what.
and the Mafiaa is happy to keep it that way.

27.10.2006 16:59 #82

mattmin

28.10.2006 12:39 #83

henthom

because of this madness i am having difficuly to download my music and video from limewire,it is not active.the name of the website is only on my computer for decoraton it is useless

Henry Thomas

2.11.2006 09:57 #84

borhan9

@henthom

Mate Limewire is not being used that much anymore if you want to use P2P you can use frostwire basiclly the same thing as limewire made by the same people. If you want to download go with torrents.

Edited by DVDBack23

"the mediocre teacher tells. the good teacher explains. the superior teacher demonstrates. the great teacher inspires."- William Aruthur Ward

2.11.2006 10:50 #85

S2K

Originally posted by mattmin:
I know the difference of all three you are really having fun beating me up on a public forum aren't you? You are being mocked because we KNOW you are not involved at all in copyright issues even though you claim so.

You don't know the terminology, the case law, or any aspect yet are making laughable pronouncements here.

Originally posted by mattmin:Many have been prosecuted for downloading. This is a matter of record.Nope. this is why we know you don't know dick. Not one person has. Please give us a link from findlaw or nexis. Any and EVERY succssful prosecution would be there (but there are NONE.) There are also NO civil wins either. NONE. Hmmm.

Again you conflate uploading which is DISTIBUTION which does involve successful civil and criminal action with downloadng hasn't.

That is the "record." Now if you want to quote news releases and stories done by ignorant reports which also are moronic enough to confuse downloading with uploading go ahead. you will just look even more ignorant (if that is possible). each of those cases as it truns out is about uploading and distribution.

Originally posted by mattmin:
I Never said I worked for the RIAA.
This is what you said:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/215822#1642332
Originally posted by mattmin:I have saved the software companies, record companies, game makers and consumers well over 1 Billion dollars, I don't understand comments that say the FBI should go after bigger things. The net result in catching warez and p2p and bit torrent sites is to keep software developers such as myself earning money.

LOL! sure.

Originally posted by mattmin:When you get a degree in law let me know.Well I work directly in IP for 30 years. I have worked directly on quite a few legal issues in regards to IP and copyright -- and I also have access to findlaw and nexis and follow the case law.

You are just a BS artist with NO facts, no information nor even a sense of the general facts and direction the law is going.

Please do give us a case law citation for prosecution for downloading. Until then ...hush.

3.11.2006 15:03 #86

mattmin

3.11.2006 23:34 #87

S2K

well matt if you say here on several threads you are a paralegal, deal with internet and copyright -- and that people have been prosecuted for downloading -- you are going to look VERY silly.

Prosecuted means you would need to site criminal case law and indictments. where are they? they would all be public sphere.

read up and we can have an intelligent conversation on why this hasn't happened.

4.11.2006 02:52 #88

ZippyDSM

beware these forums smart people dwell here!!

I however aint that bright I am barely witty.

4.11.2006 03:02 #89

mattmin

4.11.2006 06:32 #90

S2K

Mattmin,

I convinced that you are not a paralegal.

You would know the source one would find for any and EVERY prosecution in the entire USA. FINDLAW.

Your reference to Google search when in fact as I stated those are NEWS stories and not records of indictments makes me convinced you have no background in law or trhe issue.

EVERYONE involved professionally in copyright and IP law on the internet KNOWS it is STRIKING there are NO prosecutions for downloading. It is discussed frequently in journals having to do with IP and the net.

It is impossible to prove, even if lines are monitored, logs are kept or seized or even if equipment is taken from homes. Why? because the test is INTENT.

You do not have 23 years of experience or even a casual knowledge if you keep stating people are prosecuted for downloading since in the US NO ONE EVER HAS.

You make yourself seem even more foolish with the google citations. Each one turns out to be UPLOADING and DISTRIBUTION when you look at the indictments.

We have been over this on Afterndawn so many times. It is also discussed all over the IP and NET websites (of which there are many).

Why keep making yourself look foolish? You are not "annoying" anyone with facts but with falsehoods. Go engage at many of the sites people by experts on the subject -- learn why there have been NO prosecutions.

4.11.2006 09:42 #91

mattmin

4.11.2006 09:58 #92

S2K

Mattmin Quote: "I also found mention of RIAA prosecuted cases even though specific cases were not named, there was one with a woman named Debbie... "

OK we know you seem not to have ever dealt with any issue of law.

Law 101: The RIAA cannot "prosecute."

You are not only mixing up downloading with uploading, you now seem to be unaware of the basic difference between civil and criminal law.

By the way, "Debbie" Forster was NEVER prosecuted. She was sued. She was not sued for downloading but for distributing (pretty much the opposite).

Again: Sued not prosecuted. Uploading not downloading

4.11.2006 12:40 #93

mattmin

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4.11.2006 12:51 #94

ZippyDSM

mattmin
at least try and not avoid the question *L*
at lasst try and answer one thing,Uploading or downloading... *L*

4.11.2006 13:39 #95

sammorris

Oh just lay off it guys, nobody cares.

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4.11.2006 13:42 #96

mattmin

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5.11.2006 18:04 #97

ZippyDSM

sammorris
ya best to give up after 2 dodged questions,other wise the convos will wind up soemthing like in my head...the vocies can never remember what they say...

FIGHT THE M.A.F.I.A.A.
Sony has declared war on importers the consumer will be next with CD's,Videos/Games not far behind that....boycott SONY!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8062.cfm

6.11.2006 00:45 #98

sammorris

I meant nobody cares about your argument, keep it to PMs.

6.11.2006 02:22 #99

mattmin

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6.11.2006 02:32 #100

sammorris

I've had several. I know what they like, and I know how much other people can get irritated when they fill threads unnecessarily. I'm sure you and s2k care a lot about this conversation, but it can be a bit tedious to receive emails saying the thread's been updated when all you see is this, that's all I'll say.

6.11.2006 02:35 #101

henthom

mattmin why is it that limewure is not operating on the internet i cannot download a thing from limewire and frostwire,is this one of the RIAA trick maaybe you can shed a light on this topic for me i cannot understand the technical situation,

Thomas

6.11.2006 18:41 #102

mattmin

6.11.2006 20:52 #103

sammorris

I'd disrecoomend getting a technician. They probably don't support the use of limewire, and the connection is more likely to be software, have a look at some FAQS...

7.11.2006 02:41 #104

mattmin

7.11.2006 04:33 #105

sammorris

Lol if only it were that simple. Ever used a paid service?

7.11.2006 09:14 #106

henthom

borhan9. mate i had also downloaded frostwire and that DONT WORK EITHER i cannot download nothing from both of these website i started having this problem since early september.are you in the position to tell me if these website are still active.it is kind of fustrating.and the torrent are too slow for downloads limewire is a bit fast to to download music and video from.

Henry Thomas

7.11.2006 09:26 #107

ZippyDSM

A paid service is like Eonkey with a 30% speed boost.

you can find alot of stuff but there are still plenty of spy and ad ware.

7.11.2006 09:43 #108

borhan9

@henthom

I also am having issues with frostwire as of late I have removed it and have just stuck with torrents. I know its slow but as far as i can see this is your best bet at the moment. You can try Shareazza at the moment also this also is a P2P that searches torrent sites also.

7.11.2006 10:00 #109

mattmin

7.11.2006 13:00 #110

ZippyDSM

mattmin
old news,I jsut used edonkey as a exsample,besides emule is working well.

7.11.2006 13:06 #111

mattmin

Zippy,

It might be but emule is next I am sure.

Alot of Netherlands and german servers are getting shutdown, after Razorback was closed earlier this year.

The owner of Edonkey is going to become legit as the owner can make a fortune with the millions of people in his userbase if they all convert to a paid service.

7.11.2006 13:10 #112

ZippyDSM

mattmin
not realy not alot of people will pay for a BS service.

7.11.2006 13:14 #113

flyingv

sammorris

What in the world have you gotten yourself into this time!!! I haven't read all of this forum, but enough to see you are wasting your valuable time and knowledge on a subject which we all have similar agreements on. LOL friend!!!

7.11.2006 13:47 #114

mattmin

7.11.2006 15:19 #115

sammorris

Lol fine I'll waste my time elsewhere! Hehe

8.11.2006 01:33 #116

henthom

thanks borhan9 i think i will do the same. some time this week i will remove both of these useless websites
they are just a pain in the teeth.

Heny Thomas

9.11.2006 17:13 #117

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