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Time Warner wants to sell AOL dial up service

After a multi-billion dollar failed experiment, Time Warner has made moves to rid itself of the still profitable, but quickly dying AOL dial-up internet division.

The company plans to keep AOL's Web-portal and advertising sectors and only sell its dial up internet access division which has been losing subscribers at an exponential rate. Time Warner's new CEO Jeff Bewkes had this to say at a recent conference call. “This should significantly increase AOL’s strategic options,” he said. It is notable to mention that at its peak in 2002 AOL had 30 million paying subscribers. It now has 10 million.



AOL has now been ramping up its advertising business but it still lagging behind the industry. For the Q4 2007, ad revenue for the company grew 18 percent while the industry averaged propelled ahead by 25 percent.

The separation of AOL from Time Warner's growing content business should allow the company to focus on stronger, more profitable businesses. A rival executive noted that Time Warner has wasted billions of dollars trying to find the Right business model for AOL. “Follow the money. Platforms, not content businesses, are where the money has been made on the internet,” he added.

I'm sure Time Warner share holders can vouch for that last statement.

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 9 Feb 2008 18:02

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• mediabob

  dial up still exists??? damn i thought it died or something haha. what company would actually buy a dial up service? broadband and DSL have both gotten so much cheaper that at the lower end u can get it for like 20 bucks a month which is like 10 bucks more expensive than dial up.

  9.2.2008 18:54 #1

• ringwar

  Originally posted by mediabob: dial up still exists??? damn i thought it died or something haha. what company would actually buy a dial up service? broadband and DSL have both gotten so much cheaper that at the lower end u can get it for like 20 bucks a month which is like 10 bucks more expensive than dial up.Yeah it still exists. If you live out in the country your only option is Dial-up or that Directv Internet Satalite thing. My in-laws only have dial up for this reason. The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines. I am in Japan right now and everyone has Fiber. And they only pay $40 a month for a T1 Line. Go Figure.

  9.2.2008 19:17 #2

• ken9771

  Originally posted by ringwar :
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines. I am in Japan right now and everyone has Fiber. And they only pay $40 a month for a T1 Line. Go Figure --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  I did go figure,,,, it's like this,,,,,
  
  "Who" needs to start investing more money?, "Who" will pay?
  Are you implying it should be the government?
  How about companies like ATT; they are raiseing their DSL rates by 5 bucks and everyone is bitching about that! Should they invest more
  money to lay fiber to each house and then try to get someone to
  pay for it?
  
  (Fiber only needs to reach within a mile or so, DSL works on copper
  from that point to your house, even at the 6meg rate.
  ATT's Uverse will bring both high speed data and video, and still uses
  copper wire for the last few thousand feet.)
  
  You say in Japan right now everyone has Fiber; $40.00 bucks for a T1 line. A T1 line is only 1.54 mbs/sec max, that is a high price connection there as opposed to ATT's DSL service on copper here in the good old USA!
  
  Because of the pending ATT price increase I increased my speed to
  the 1.54 rate; (again, that is considered a T1). I pay 20 bucks a month, price locked for a year.
  
  I bet the reason everyone has fiber is because everyone over there
  can reach out and touch someone, that is really touch someone because of the density in the population as opposed to the way we in the US live, with lots of space between us.
  
  Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.
  Most people think that they are actually on the internet when using their service, however that is not correct, they are actually working out of one of the AOL's servers entirely. (that is the purpose of the "Keywords"), AOL looks at your browseing and inserts advertsements, you end up thinking that they originate from the distant webpages. AOL make it's money this way, that is why they could hand out all those thousands of "free" hours of connect time.
  AOL provided "their version of the internet". After they add the extra's, the distant webpage is actually downloaded by their sever
  and then sent to you, along with what ever else they want you to see.
  
  So that's the way you go figure!

  9.2.2008 20:51 #3

• DXR88

  Ken9771 lay of the krunk juice man, just attack the guy otta the blue. also ISDN runs over phone lines. So does ADSL. dail-up is dying face it AOL.

  9.2.2008 23:07 #4

• SProdigy

  To the sucker that buys AOL's dialup business:
  
  I have some beach front property in Arizona for you to buy as well!

  9.2.2008 23:12 #5

• DVDBack23

  Originally posted by SProdigy: To the sucker that buys AOL's dialup business:
  
  I have some beach front property in Arizona for you to buy as well!whats your selling price? :P

  9.2.2008 23:45 #6

• cyprusrom

  ken9771
  
  What's up man?:~) How come it was such a damn "touchy" subject?
  C'mon, we all know that here in US many things are up-side-down! In South Korea they've been soaring on the net at speeds X10 faster then US for quite some time...Every little shack has high speed. And the high density houses/population...how long that crappy excuse is gonna hold for?!!
  Or cell phones for example...they've had them in Europe and Asia of the size of a match box, and loaded with features, and services at half the prices for years, while here people were still carying bricks in their briefcases. It would be nice if our providers would give a damn about consumers, for once!
  As for dial-up, unfortunately, if one lives 3-4 miles out of town, that's the only choice...unless is loaded and can afford the DirectTv satellite internet.

  9.2.2008 23:58 #7

• ken9771

  How many of these other places with all this supper high speed
  at almost no cost,,, how many of these are in countries with the same
  type market system as in the US?
  Don't a lot of those places have more government controll,
  less personal freedom, etc?
  
  Anyways, I guess everyone agrees that AOL (old AOL) sucked, most recent AOL/Time Warner version sucks, and any future version of AOL
  will still suck regardless of who purchases it!

  10.2.2008 00:16 #8

• snowlock

  Originally posted by ken9771: ...AOL looks at your browseing and inserts advertsements, you end up thinking that they originate from the distant webpages. AOL make it's money this way, that is why they could hand out all those thousands of "free" hours of connect time...OH...
  
  ...i see. that's why i never paid for those multiple years of aol
  
  between using about 3 different credit cards i had free aol for something like 3-4 years. one of those years i had cable for about 6 months and basically still couldn't get rid of the free aol.
  
  
  
  we can't get dsl way out here and the only worthwhile broadband option is $50/month for comcast. i'm sure there are still a relatively large number of people in similar positions who won't pay that much. obviously, not enough for the massive profits that company wants to generate.
  
  
  also
  Quote:Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.BWAhahaha
  true. hilarious, but pretty true.
  aol was super user-friendly, but any old web browser is easier now than aol ever was back then.

  10.2.2008 00:25 #9

• cyprusrom

  Originally posted by SProdigy: To the sucker that buys AOL's dialup business:
  
  I have some beach front property in Arizona for you to buy as well!
  Hey, if you sell that proprety, maybe you help me with my business. I want to extend my Ice Cooler selling businss to Northern Alaska, in Eskimo country!
  

  
  Piss me off, and I Will ignore You!
  

  10.2.2008 00:31 #10

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by ken9771: How many of these other places with all this supper high speed
  at almost no cost,,, how many of these are in countries with the same
  type market system as in the US?
  Don't a lot of those places have more government controll,
  less personal freedom, etc?
  
  Anyways, I guess everyone agrees that AOL (old AOL) sucked, most recent AOL/Time Warner version sucks, and any future version of AOL
  will still suck regardless of who purchases it!"How many of these other places with all this supper high speed
  at almost no cost" :Most of Asia
  
  "Don't a lot of those places have more government controll,
  less personal freedom, etc?":In the US the corporations have more control and if you care to look at the new laws that bypass personal freedoms on the vague guise of terrorism you'll find theres not much of a diffrance in us and them,only they parade you in front of a crown and spank you with a staff for minor crimes we get sued for 200X our worth.
  
  
  Also to be fair the Asian counties are like 5-25X smaller than the US but the unregulated capitalism structure in the US that creates and nurtures monopolies is not helping, the government should contract out fiber optic lines main lines and then after 10 years sell them off to the highest bidder so they can maintain and expand it.
  
  Really the government needs to build a nation wide high speed (12+ Mbit) infrastructure.. after 10 years sell it off to the highest bidder so they can manage it under certain conditions depending on if the tiered net is in place or not.
  
  I wonder what would happen if we sold off some roadways to big biz let them advertise on it and maintain it and if something happens they can be sued :P LOL
  
  Big biz and government can work if theres proper oversight and rules in place...but by god we humans just have to cock things up....

  10.2.2008 00:33 #11

• ken9771

  Originally posted by SProdigy:
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  To the sucker that buys AOL's dialup business:
  
  I have some beach front property in Arizona for you to buy as well!
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  I'm looking for somewhere to move outside of Texas,
  is your property in Az withing reach of DSL service?

  10.2.2008 00:35 #12

• snowlock

  Originally posted by ZippyDSM: ...Really the government needs to build a nation wide high speed (12+ Mbit) infrastructure.. after 10 years sell it off to the highest bidder so they can manage it under certain conditions depending on if the tiered net is in place or not.
  
  I wonder what would happen if we sold off some roadways to big biz let them advertise on it and maintain it and if something happens they can be sued :P LOL
  
  Big biz and government can work if theres proper oversight and rules in place...but by god we humans just have to cock things up....i think he's got something, by god.
  
  the capitalist pig-dogs ruin it for the little guy every time
  
  "everybody knows marx's vision of an egalitarian utopia is impossible!"

  10.2.2008 00:43 #13

• ken9771

  Quote:
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Hey, if you sell that proprety, maybe you help me with my business. I want to extend my Ice Cooler selling businss to Northern Alaska, in Eskimo country!
  
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  Off topic, but if you are refering to global warming,
  haven't you heard, it's been cancelled?
  
  http://iceagenow.com/

  10.2.2008 00:45 #14

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by ken9771: Quote:
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Hey, if you sell that proprety, maybe you help me with my business. I want to extend my Ice Cooler selling businss to Northern Alaska, in Eskimo country!
  
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  Off topic, but if you are refering to global warming,
  haven't you heard, it's been cancelled?
  
  " target="_blank">http://iceagenow.com/
  Not really we still pollute to much and need to move off fossil fuels for more reasons than the environment.
  
  The government needs to wake up and start investing in methane as the mainstream fuel we could move to it in 20years if they get of their lazy oil fed arses...

  10.2.2008 01:16 #15

• ringwar

  Originally posted by ken9771: Originally posted by ringwar :
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines. I am in Japan right now and everyone has Fiber. And they only pay $40 a month for a T1 Line. Go Figure --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  I did go figure,,,, it's like this,,,,,
  
  "Who" needs to start investing more money?, "Who" will pay?
  Are you implying it should be the government?
  How about companies like ATT; they are raiseing their DSL rates by 5 bucks and everyone is bitching about that! Should they invest more
  money to lay fiber to each house and then try to get someone to
  pay for it?
  
  (Fiber only needs to reach within a mile or so, DSL works on copper
  from that point to your house, even at the 6meg rate.
  ATT's Uverse will bring both high speed data and video, and still uses
  copper wire for the last few thousand feet.)
  
  You say in Japan right now everyone has Fiber; $40.00 bucks for a T1 line. A T1 line is only 1.54 mbs/sec max, that is a high price connection there as opposed to ATT's DSL service on copper here in the good old USA!
  
  Because of the pending ATT price increase I increased my speed to
  the 1.54 rate; (again, that is considered a T1). I pay 20 bucks a month, price locked for a year.
  
  I bet the reason everyone has fiber is because everyone over there
  can reach out and touch someone, that is really touch someone because of the density in the population as opposed to the way we in the US live, with lots of space between us.
  
  Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.
  Most people think that they are actually on the internet when using their service, however that is not correct, they are actually working out of one of the AOL's servers entirely. (that is the purpose of the "Keywords"), AOL looks at your browseing and inserts advertsements, you end up thinking that they originate from the distant webpages. AOL make it's money this way, that is why they could hand out all those thousands of "free" hours of connect time.
  AOL provided "their version of the internet". After they add the extra's, the distant webpage is actually downloaded by their sever
  and then sent to you, along with what ever else they want you to see.
  
  So that's the way you go figure!I have an idea. Why don't you go figure, how to pull your head out of your ass. I was just making a simple comment about how the Internet needs to be revamped and you freaked out like i was making fun of your baby dick.

  10.2.2008 04:32 #16

• Gottawin

  OK... Thats enough of that.

  10.2.2008 09:30 #17

• varnull

  Quote:Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.Yeah.. comments like that don't help.. I'm a woman, and been using computers longer than a lot of the members here have been alive.. go figure..
  
  Dialup still has a role. It happens to be very useful to have an account if you travel a lot and wind up in some hick town the back woods miles from anywhere with only a phoneline for company.
  

  
  
  Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.... Commercial "pay for" software = made by software developers who want paying... see where I'm going with this?

  10.2.2008 09:42 #18

• ken9771

  Originally posted by : ringwar :
  
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  " The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines"
  
  
  "I have an idea. Why don't you go figure, how to pull your head out of your ass. I was just making a simple comment about how the Internet needs to be revamped and you freaked out like i was making fun of your baby dick."
  
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  I was just asking you a couple questions, mainly who will pay,
  and who is going to lay these fiber optic cables.
  
  The solution is not simple.
  I wasn't getting down on you, just asking "WHO".
  There was a lot of bitching about a small 5 dollar increse in
  ATT's service, so the question is a good question, it sill remains unanswered.
  
  In the short time I've been reading posts here at this site,
  I get the impression that a majority of everyone believes that world owes them everything at little or no cost out of their pockets!
  
  As far as the fiber, probally no way of economically runing it to
  all existing homes.
  Back to "who pays".
  Newer technology like Uverse doen't even need it
  all the way to your house.
  
  And about AOL being for beginers and women, that is true.
  Yes a lot of women know their way around a computer, and a lot of men do not, but a higher percentage of women do not and therefore AOL service provided them internet browseing without them having to learn much more than navigate the AOL interface with a lot of links setup to make it easy for them. As Jerry Siendfield joked,
  "men are hunters, women,,,,,,

  10.2.2008 12:58 #19

• varnull

  And you my friend are a dinosaur.. take your stereotyped sexism somewhere else eh?
  
  Quote:but a higher percentage of women do not and therefore AOL service provided them internet browseing without them having to learn much more than navigate the AOL interface with a lot of links setup to make it easy for them.
  So who does all the secretarial work, the buying in business.. all the payrolls, all the other IT based work that runs modern business??
  
  It's the men in the management who tend to be the computer illiterate ones I'm sorry to say. A quick look into the accounts department of any large business will show you the truth.
  

  
  
  Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.... Commercial "pay for" software = made by software developers who want paying... see where I'm going with this?

  10.2.2008 14:35 #20

• cyprusrom

  Originally posted by varnull: And you my friend are a dinosaur.. take your stereotyped sexism somewhere else eh?
  LOL!! And we know that dinosaurs were driven to extinction by their inability to adapt to climate changes!
  You might still be able to appologize and get away with just a demerit point,ken9771 , or it might be too late...
  
  

  10.2.2008 15:09 #21

• ddp

  ken better say something before i do something to him.

  10.2.2008 17:15 #22

• Blessedon

  I don't blame those more fortunate than us for taking their fast internet service for granted.
  Our nearest city of any size (NAB marketshare 161) is an hour away, so we are really "out there". We have neither fiber optic nor cable, and those with satellite report frequent outages for their $80/month. We could buy a PCMCI card for we do have cell phone service, but they won't guarantee speeds over 128kb/s (although 2.4 mb/s may occur!) and will drop that to 12 kb/s if data limits are exceeded but won't tell you what those limits are...for $60/month plus a new line fee.
  We have one phone company for our area; Embarq. And it's either them at $25, or AOL at $10 per month for dialup.
  
  I wish I could humble the laughing, smart-ax punks earlier in this thread by telling them that not everyone is so fortunate, but it is not possible to humble the Ignorantly Arrogant.

  10.2.2008 17:32 #23

• escalante

  A lot of the computer tech people I know are guys, though, including myself. I barely know any females around my age that are very computer literate. I'm 15...

  10.2.2008 17:32 #24

• ken9771

  If you look back on my first post on this topic I was describing the way AOL was set up viewing it from
  the point of a business model.
  After all that is related to this topic, getting someone to purchase AOL.
  
  Any business must understand about the people that they are marketing
  their product to.
  
  AOL wanted to provide a dial up sevice that made it easy for a wide variety of people to both use and desire to use.
  Men and womem from a marketing viewpoint are different; have been, allways will be.
  
  Women tend to not be "hunters" , they expect not to have to waste
  time trying to "hunt".
  
  After posting my previous statement, I did a search and found this
  that explains what I am trying to say.
  
  http://www.vngroup.com/Aoir/Vickie.htm
  
  Maybe that is one problem that Time Warner has had in making AOL
  still work, continueing with a business based on exactally
  what I said at first, "Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women".
  
  It was not meant to be putting women down, just that when first set up. AOL went for the begining computer users and women,
  and with regards to women, making it easy for them to find things that they were interested in without "hunting".
  
  Men and women are diffferent and any buisness trying to sell a product considers these differences in trying to match
  their product to these differences.
  
  I see the probem with a forum; you try not to go into too much
  detail, then people miss understand exactlly what you are
  trying to say. So, I gess to that I have to say that phrase,
  go figure,

  10.2.2008 17:44 #25

• ken9771

  Take time to read the complete paper; it
  was written by a women.
  
  She also describes men as hunters.
  
  Almost everyone of my friends who once had AOL were not able
  to cancel it because "their wives wanted them to keep AOL as
  they said it was so easy for them to use" ie,,, they did not want to
  learn anything more than just getting to the info they
  were searching for as quickly and as possible.
  
  Looks like to me that AOL's original designers followed the "spirit"
  of what this paper goes into!
  
  http://www.vngroup.com/Aoir/Vickie.htm
  
  Challenges in Developing User Interfaces
  that are Intuitive for Both Men and Women
  Maastricht, October, 2002
  Vickie S. Van Ness
  Chief Media Officer
  Van Ness Group, Inc.

  10.2.2008 18:25 #26

• hm577

  Originally posted by ken9771: Originally posted by ringwar :
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines. I am in Japan right now and everyone has Fiber. And they only pay $40 a month for a T1 Line. Go Figure --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  I did go figure,,,, it's like this,,,,,
  
  "Who" needs to start investing more money?, "Who" will pay?
  Are you implying it should be the government?
  How about companies like ATT; they are raiseing their DSL rates by 5 bucks and everyone is bitching about that! Should they invest more
  money to lay fiber to each house and then try to get someone to
  pay for it?
  
  (Fiber only needs to reach within a mile or so, DSL works on copper
  from that point to your house, even at the 6meg rate.
  ATT's Uverse will bring both high speed data and video, and still uses
  copper wire for the last few thousand feet.)
  
  You say in Japan right now everyone has Fiber; $40.00 bucks for a T1 line. A T1 line is only 1.54 mbs/sec max, that is a high price connection there as opposed to ATT's DSL service on copper here in the good old USA!
  
  Because of the pending ATT price increase I increased my speed to
  the 1.54 rate; (again, that is considered a T1). I pay 20 bucks a month, price locked for a year.
  
  I bet the reason everyone has fiber is because everyone over there
  can reach out and touch someone, that is really touch someone because of the density in the population as opposed to the way we in the US live, with lots of space between us.
  
  Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.
  Most people think that they are actually on the internet when using their service, however that is not correct, they are actually working out of one of the AOL's servers entirely. (that is the purpose of the "Keywords"), AOL looks at your browseing and inserts advertsements, you end up thinking that they originate from the distant webpages. AOL make it's money this way, that is why they could hand out all those thousands of "free" hours of connect time.
  AOL provided "their version of the internet". After they add the extra's, the distant webpage is actually downloaded by their sever
  and then sent to you, along with what ever else they want you to see.
  
  So that's the way you go figure!Fiber does not ONLY need to reach a mile. Verizon's FIOS is FIBER AT THE DOOR and so is everyone else's. I hope you're not implying that fiber doesn't transmit as far as copper because you'd be dead wrong as I know from expert and professional experience that fiber can transmit WITHOUT INTEGRITY LOSS from New York to California. As for the comparison to a T1...............well, this is how I can tell you're not a technician or networking/data professional (and if you are then time for a new profession for you), as anyone who knows a bit about T1s notes 2 major benefits. Granted, yes, cable and DSL (crap) offer speeds like 4, 6, 8, downloads but they fluctuate like a bitch contingent upon the use on that network. DSL only guarantees your speed from the CO to the demarc (your house) but doesn't take into account the traffic AT THE Central Office. Cable is of course contingent upon how many people are actively on the nodes at the same time. A T1 is totally and emphatically unaffected by the number of people on any other network so the speeds are untouched and 1.5Mbps is consistent and reliable. In addition to that, a T1's upload is also 1.5Mbps which is consistent and reliable compared to cable modem or DSL which is only averaging 384Kbps up.............unless you're paying out the whazoo for 8 or 12Mbps down and then you get 1.5 up still subjected to massive fluctuations.
  
  This now concludes network and data transmission medium 101.
  Class is over. If you have further questions, ask your mommies and daddies.

  10.2.2008 21:02 #27

• DXR88

  fiber optic is used for businesses big ones.
  
  Small bussiness satalite
  
  Coax&DSL Middle class people
  
  Dail-up ISDN & ADSL for people who seldom ever get on the internet.
  
  This is Corprate America, you are only free if you can affored it, or cower at the people who tell you whats is wrong and what is right.
  That is Corprate America

  11.2.2008 11:38 #28

• drach

  Quote:"Who" needs to start investing more money?, "Who" will pay?
  Are you implying it should be the government?
  How about companies like ATT; they are raiseing their DSL rates by 5 bucks and everyone is bitching about that! Should they invest more
  money to lay fiber to each house and then try to get someone to
  pay for it? The great thing about fiber is once it is laid, it doesn't need to get upgraded. If you want more bandwidth, you just upgrade the routers, switches, and the like. the cable stays where it is, and has no need to be upgraded, unlike copper, where if you want more bandwidth, you have to lay more copper. With the price of copper now, it is actually a good investment to create an essentially "future-proof" network that nobody will want to steal and sell for scrap.
  
  When it comes to AOL dial-up, i say just dissolve it and invest the newfound capital in a good fiber-based network. I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to buy what is (was) in my opinion the crappiest of ISPs.

  11.2.2008 22:36 #29

• jacsac

  Originally posted by varnull: Quote:Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.Yeah.. comments like that don't help.. I'm a woman, and been using computers longer than a lot of the members here have been alive.. go figure..
  
  Dialup still has a role. It happens to be very useful to have an account if you travel a lot and wind up in some hick town the back woods miles from anywhere with only a phoneline for company.Don't make comments about women. Hicks, rednecks, and hillbillies are fair game.
  

  
  Protecting coffee tables everywhere!

  12.2.2008 19:36 #30

• DXR88

  Quote:Don't make comments about women. Hicks, rednecks, and hillbillies are fair game.Ya know that aint nice to Caller us Fair Game,CitySlicker.
  
  But honestly i thought there was a no Profiling in the forum rules guess i was wrong. anyway dont profile against anyone please period.
  
  i dont care if the are blue puple green, come from mars saturn or venus, Profiling is not good.

  14.2.2008 09:33 #31

• jacsac

  I just found varnull's post to be very ironic. I love small town folk.
  

  
  Protecting coffee tables everywhere!

  14.2.2008 10:32 #32

• DXR88

  No Harm Done Man, not to me anyway.

  14.2.2008 11:01 #33

• hermes_vb

  AOL Dialup = overpriced piece of crap.

  16.2.2008 08:43 #34

• varnull

  everybody knows what is meant by a "hick town"
  
  One motheaten horse and people sitting on the porch chewin tobaccee and spitting, while eyeing you with that "looky here ma.. it dun be a stranger" stare that you normally see from a bull looking through a gate.
  
  Sorry.. I saw a few places like that in my music business years..
  "You want to use the phone?? Jake down at the saloon.. he got a phone.. sometimes she works, sometimes not".. not just in the mid west either. I live in one now.. actually the local neanderthals are harder to fathom..ahhh Wigan.. thatched busses :lol:
  

  
  
  Free open source software = made by end users who want an application to work.... Commercial "pay for" software = made by software developers who want paying... see where I'm going with this?

  16.2.2008 08:59 #35

• DXR88

  Yeah Varnull, But you get used to it after awhile. its a Great change from Urban area's some times i like the hick towns better no body to bother you, and everybody knows everybody.
  
  i used to live in Madina Ohio, The 60 miles to Nowear county.

  16.2.2008 19:33 #36

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by DXR88: Yeah Varnull, But you get used to it after awhile. its a Great change from Urban area's some times i like the hick towns better no body to bother you, and everybody knows everybody.
  
  i used to live in Madina Ohio, The 60 miles to Nowear county.Country gas prices.
  City vandalism/tax prices.

  16.2.2008 21:18 #37

• DXR88

  LOL Zippy, i think those are questions.
  
  Well back on topic, aol is at the end of its rope. if i had the money i would buy aol and turn it into a free dail-up service for everybody, cause a computer is not a computer with out internet.
  or turn into a gaint p2p service just tick off RIAA&MPAA there inter net connection is so fast the cant recieve info dail-up style,or mabey turn it into a free P2P telephone service.

  17.2.2008 10:43 #38

• ZippyDSM

  Originally posted by DXR88: LOL Zippy, i think those are questions.
  
  Well back on topic, aol is at the end of its rope. if i had the money i would buy aol and turn it into a free dail-up service for everybody, cause a computer is not a computer with out internet.
  or turn into a gaint p2p service just tick off RIAA&MPAA there inter net connection is so fast the cant recieve info dail-up style,or mabey turn it into a free P2P telephone service.
  *yawns*
  My thought was unfinished
  Gas prices are to high for rural areas and Cities have vandalism/tax issues :P

  17.2.2008 13:56 #39

• borhan9

  I think all isp should get rid of dial up and upgrade all exsisting dial up users to the slowest adsl speed. It will still remain profitable and the isp's should keepp the contracts at the same rate as the users had.

  7.4.2008 05:39 #40