That's nice to see. Now can we please get a price drop on the 120GB HDD from $120 to $80-90?
22.8.2009 15:48 #1
Personally I'd love to see the price cut done to the HDD rather than the console at this point; the console doesn't need one yet and MS seems rather stanced on them not doing a price-cut. Just because Wal-Mart does a roll back doesn't mean the system is permanently going to be that price, I've seen roll-backs go up in price.
Until again, MS confirms it, I takes these tidbits as the grain of salt they are worth.
22.8.2009 16:20 #2
Pfft $299 nz now that's a deal in U.S Dollars that's like 500 nz & it's not even flashed
22.8.2009 16:53 #3
Why would anyone thing this is a good deal? For the same price you can get the PS3 Slim a much better system with an equally good yet free network, can have any laptop 500gb HDD installed for half the price of the 360 HDD, real 1080p resolution, and Blu-Ray.
$299 for a DVD9 game console that maxes at 720p resolution is a joke now that Sony has stepped up to the plate. The market is saturated with 360 owners, they should now keep us happy and not give us a reason to get a PS3. At this point if M$ wants to win the sales game they need to help us 360 owners that already have the console happy. lower XBL to $30, cut the costs on peripherals (i.e. the HDD, the Wi-Fi antenna, etc.) That would go a long way. Because in the grand scheme of things with both systems at the same price, most people with half a brain would get the much better PS3.
If they want to stay on top they need to change their game and support their only real advantage over Sony. Their strength in numbers. And keep the millions they have now happy.
22.8.2009 21:24 #4
It may sounds silly but i honesty dont know
The elite version has at least rechargeable controllers via usb?
If it hasnt well imo thats a joke.
22.8.2009 22:44 #5
what's better about the ps3 apart from it's paid bloggers who we like to laugh at??
22.8.2009 22:59 #6
Originally posted by varnull: what's better about the ps3 apart from it's paid bloggers who we like to laugh at??oh dear...
22.8.2009 23:14 #7
Originally posted by varnull: what's better about the ps3 apart from it's paid bloggers who we like to laugh at??Me sitting on the couch watching a movie on the PS3.
23.8.2009 00:24 #8
Originally posted by SDF_GR: It may sounds silly but i honesty dont know
The elite version has at least rechargeable controllers via usb?
If it hasnt well imo thats a joke.Omfg, if you don't know anything about the topic at hand than don't post! Elite has a 120gb hard drive, if you knew anything about the xbox you would know that. Seriously, ps3 owners stick to their news and xbox 360 owners will stick to theirs (I can go to both since I have all systems). Comments like SDF's starts flame wars.
Originally posted by jookycola: Why would anyone thing this is a good deal? For the same price you can get the PS3 Slim a much better system with an equally good yet free network, can have any laptop 500gb HDD installed for half the price of the 360 HDD, real 1080p resolution, and Blu-Ray. If people wanted a dumbed down version ps3, that looks like square laptop with matte black colour that was a last ditch effor to salvage sony's future than we would buy a ps3 slim. But instead people choose to buy the xbox 360... go figure.
Originally posted by varnull: what's better about the ps3 apart from it's paid bloggers who we like to laugh at??
But varnull, imagine how boring the internet would be without sonydefenseforce.com.
23.8.2009 00:33 #9
If I want to watch a movie, that's what my PC is for. It's not like it costs very much to get one connected to your HDTV and have it run at 1080p, slap on a BluRay and done. I prefer my consoles to be what the soul purpose of them should have stayed at, gaming..
Honestly I feel that the gaming industry has been soiled ever since marketing strategy has focused to the masses. That's even going back to the first console to incorporate DVD movie, or using a cell phone as a console. How much $ could have been saved if the companies in the hardware business simply focused on gaming, rather than a multi-function all in one entertainment system. PC's were built for that function, why do I need a PC and a game console to do everything that a PC does, or a hand held that does everything a cell phone and a portable PC / hand-held device does? We don't need every console to mimic one another either, to give me my choice of how I wanna watch something; like it was so much fucking easier when VHS and DVD's were just the standard, and everyone had to bite it.
Now, they will never go back; it will always be about entertaining the masses, because now buying a game console is not about buying it for games; because now you can play with avatars, chat instantly, link to your favorite social sites, and now add gimmicky peripherals and YAY US! As a hard core gamer, I can't help but feel let down, and people wonder why games are $50-100 a title on release, well now you know. Peace out.
23.8.2009 00:35 #10
Originally posted by chris4160: Comments like SDF's starts flame wars.They only start "flame wars" because people like you decide to respond to them. If you don't agree with it, so be it. You're speaking on the most open network: the internet.
And I'll post wherever the f**k I feel like :)
23.8.2009 01:37 #11
I can't tell from the picture, and it's not listed-- I don't see that this version comes with and HDMI cable. So if not you can add another $50 to that price. Does anyone know if it comes with it or not?
23.8.2009 02:29 #12
Originally posted by sideffx: I can't tell from the picture, and it's not listed-- I don't see that this version comes with and HDMI cable. So if not you can add another $50 to that price. Does anyone know if it comes with it or not?Well I can get a HDMI cable for only $12 each locally and I'm sure everyone else can too somewhere but most people are stupid and think the more expensive the cable the better, even though they're both the same. That's where Best Buy comes in :/
23.8.2009 03:04 #13
Originally posted by sideffx: I can't tell from the picture, and it's not listed-- I don't see that this version comes with and HDMI cable. So if not you can add another $50 to that price. Does anyone know if it comes with it or not?
Well I can get a HDMI cable for only $12 each locally and I'm sure everyone else can too somewhere but most people are stupid and think the more expensive the cable the better, even though they're both the same. That's where Best Buy comes in :/ Good to know! Guess I'm stupid...It's just that every HD product I own came with the HDMI cable so I've never shopped around for low prices. I just always see them in stores for about 50 bucks. Also not sure (I'll check) but it's been my experience that you get what you pay for, and I'm sure not all cables are the same quality regardless of the price. I'm sure you CAN get equal quality cables for less, but are you saying EVERY HDMI cable is the same? I kinda doubt that. Then again I'm probably in the "most people...stupid" category.
23.8.2009 03:41 #14
Quote:Originally posted by SDF_GR: It may sounds silly but i honesty dont know
The elite version has at least rechargeable controllers via usb?
If it hasnt well imo thats a joke.Omfg, if you don't know anything about the topic at hand than don't post! Elite has a 120gb hard drive, if you knew anything about the xbox you would know that. Seriously, ps3 owners stick to their news and xbox 360 owners will stick to theirs (I can go to both since I have all systems). Comments like SDF's starts flame wars.
Originally posted by jookycola: Why would anyone thing this is a good deal? For the same price you can get the PS3 Slim a much better system with an equally good yet free network, can have any laptop 500gb HDD installed for half the price of the 360 HDD, real 1080p resolution, and Blu-Ray. If people wanted a dumbed down version ps3, that looks like square laptop with matte black colour that was a last ditch effor to salvage sony's future than we would buy a ps3 slim. But instead people choose to buy the xbox 360... go figure.
Originally posted by varnull: what's better about the ps3 apart from it's paid bloggers who we like to laugh at??
But varnull, imagine how boring the internet would be without sonydefenseforce.com.Another typical fanboy pretending to be unbiased.
EDIT: Oops. I posted on the 360 news when I don't have one.
Now I'm getting executed for disobeying your godly rule that a PS3 owner can't comment on 360 news and vice versa.
I expect more from a Senior Member.
23.8.2009 09:30 #15
This is just the initial quick counter-move to the slim PS3.
Afterall what is an Elite?
A black painted Arcade with a HDD.
I fully expect that now Sony have shot their bolt (and by all accounts still lose money on the PS3 slim - they cost about $252 with transport, packaging and all the rest on top) that this interim move will be followed by another a little closer to Xmas which will cut the differential further.
I also expect Nintendo to also move for the same reasons.
Why would the PS3 attract parents buying their kids a game console?
They certainly won't care about Blu-ray.
Most of the a/v guys I know wouldn't have a game console as their movie player anyways.
23.8.2009 13:13 #16
The big news for me will be to see a new and genuinely big HDD.
I find 120gb is just too small.
I'd hope that we see the 120gb HDD fall in price to a more normal level and a 500gb or larger HDD take over as the really big one.
23.8.2009 13:32 #17
I too would love a bigger Hard Drive, but since buying the elite and filling up most of my HDD my xbox can take up to 5 mins to find what's on it. I have to wait several minutes to even select a video I've downloaded, but I also think it could just be the NXE that has made the system performance crap. Or a combo of both.
23.8.2009 13:52 #18
Wow sideffx, that sounds bad.
I'm glad mine (NXE & latest update) doesn't do that; that really isn't my experience at all.
Have you tried defragging/clearing the cache?
h**p://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=449141
I was once also recommended that it's a good idea to leave the last 10% of (any) HDD's capacity unused.
Good luck.
23.8.2009 14:54 #19
Yeah, I clear the cache all the time, it makes the system work fine until I turn it off. Then next time I play it is just as slow again, and now I have to re-download every patch and update when I play. It sucks, I NEVER had this problem with a smaller hard drive and the old dash. I've read a lot of posts on xbox.com and other sites with people having the exact same problem. I love my xbox 360 but sometimes I won't even bother playing 'cause of this. Also when I save a game to the HDD, I'm only given the option to "play from Hard Drive" about %30 of the time. MS won't offer any help and deny ever hearing of these problems. Sorry if this post is off topic, but this is about my Elite System and just want to warn anyone who is thinking of upgrading like I did.
23.8.2009 17:05 #20
Quote:Originally posted by SDF_GR: It may sounds silly but i honesty dont know
The elite version has at least rechargeable controllers via usb?
If it hasnt well imo thats a joke.Omfg, if you don't know anything about the topic at hand than don't post! Elite has a 120gb hard drive, if you knew anything about the xbox you would know that. Seriously, ps3 owners stick to their news and xbox 360 owners will stick to theirs (I can go to both since I have all systems). Comments like SDF's starts flame wars.Your stupidity starts flame wars.
You could just answer to my question..... and who made you cop in here?
ps3 owners do not post to a 360 topic and vise versa???
What is wrong with you? grow up for god's sake.
23.8.2009 21:38 #21
This is really a good news... Wow .
23.8.2009 21:42 #22
Originally posted by jookycola: Why would anyone thing this is a good deal? For the same price you can get the PS3 Slim a much better system with an equally good yet free network, can have any laptop 500gb HDD installed for half the price of the 360 HDD, real 1080p resolution, and Blu-Ray.
$299 for a DVD9 game console that maxes at 720p resolution is a joke now that Sony has stepped up to the plate. The market is saturated with 360 owners, they should now keep us happy and not give us a reason to get a PS3. At this point if M$ wants to win the sales game they need to help us 360 owners that already have the console happy. lower XBL to $30, cut the costs on peripherals (i.e. the HDD, the Wi-Fi antenna, etc.) That would go a long way. Because in the grand scheme of things with both systems at the same price, most people with half a brain would get the much better PS3.
If they want to stay on top they need to change their game and support their only real advantage over Sony. Their strength in numbers. And keep the millions they have now happy.Rubbish post that proves very little points aside from i agree with the lowering of peripheral prices. Much better??? Too each his own. That is in the eye of the beholder. The resolution issue hasnot changed anything in the games graphics so far so what validity does that point bring about. NONE. Its simply about what exclusive do you enjoy most. Ones for PS3 or Xbox360. Or just be like me and eventually buy them both consoles to enjoy all games.
The price is good to match the slim PS3 but what will Microsoft do for an encore?
23.8.2009 23:34 #23
Quote:Originally posted by sideffx: I can't tell from the picture, and it's not listed-- I don't see that this version comes with and HDMI cable. So if not you can add another $50 to that price. Does anyone know if it comes with it or not?Well I can get a HDMI cable for only $12 each locally and I'm sure everyone else can too somewhere but most people are stupid and think the more expensive the cable the better, even though they're both the same. That's where Best Buy comes in :/i can get a hdmi cable for 9.98 at walmart.com
23.8.2009 23:38 #24
I'm so glad we had this discussion. After my first comment in this thread, I read a few articles and all suggested NEVER paying more than $10 for an HDMI cable. That the high priced (monster) with promises of better quality everything is a joke. Now I know. I love this website!!!!
24.8.2009 01:01 #25
Originally posted by varnull: what's better about the ps3 apart from it's paid bloggers who we like to laugh at??and I'm starting to wonder how much you're paid to slander Sony in every single post of yours ...
24.8.2009 04:09 #26
Quote:Quote:Originally posted by sideffx: I can't tell from the picture, and it's not listed-- I don't see that this version comes with and HDMI cable. So if not you can add another $50 to that price. Does anyone know if it comes with it or not?Well I can get a HDMI cable for only $12 each locally and I'm sure everyone else can too somewhere but most people are stupid and think the more expensive the cable the better, even though they're both the same. That's where Best Buy comes in :/i can get a hdmi cable for 9.98 at walmart.comJust so you guys know, the cable that comes with the non elite 360 covers the HDMI port up halfway so you cant use it. The $50 HDMI cable that microsoft sells comes with a slimmer plug for the audio so the HDMI cable can be plugged in under it. Total B.S. I'm not sure if there a hack to make the old plug work.
Also from what I hear sideffx is right about the cable not being included. The guy at Gamestop told me today that the HDMI cable (with slimmer audio cable plug) will not be included with the elite anymore.
24.8.2009 04:59 #27
Originally posted by Turpis: Just so you guys know, the cable that comes with the non elite 360 covers the HDMI port up halfway so you cant use it. The $50 HDMI cable that microsoft sells comes with a slimmer plug for the audio so the HDMI cable can be plugged in under it. Total B.S. I'm not sure if there a hack to make the old plug work. There's a hack on the internet where someone's opened up the ridiculously large connector on that chubby cable and this allows the plugging in of the other cables ~
http://www.slashgear.com/hack-use-a-chea...premium-037755/ (there's a better link with more pics but can't find it at the moment). I personally have Elites so there's a normal ie slim HDMI cable included as well as all the other cables.
As HDMI cables are digital you only need to buy cheap ones (not nasty cheap in case they're made up of string, just very cheap). Anyone that tries telling you that you need a more expensive one is an idiot and a conman..
24.8.2009 06:14 #28
I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.
24.8.2009 06:29 #29
Originally posted by sideffx: I don't see that this version comes with and HDMI cable. So if not you can add another $50 to that price. Does anyone know if it comes with it or not?I can get excellent quality 'regular' 1 meter/3 foot 1.3 HDMI cables for as little as £2.60/$4.26 (with gold plated connections and from a highly reputable supplier; (Kenable.co.uk).
If you need the higher spec 1.3b HDMI cable then I found a nice quality Falcon cable on Amazon for £7/$11.48.
(but you won't need that as Xbox uses the HDMI 1.2a standard - this allows a better quality of multi-channel audio than optical can provide, even if it's not quite up to HDMI 1.3/1.3b standards)
$50 for an HDMI cable is well out.
(unless you feel the need to get ripped off for the brand-name joke that are the likes of the 'Monster' cables etc etc)
24.8.2009 11:04 #30
Originally posted by Turpis: Just so you guys know, the cable that comes with the non elite 360 covers the HDMI port up halfway so you cant use it.If you're using HDMI fully why would you need another connection?
HDMI carries multi-channel audio.
However, if you aren't using an HD receiver then I guess things are a little different.
You would perhaps need the optical link to your dolby digital surround system.
As creaky says you can easily cut the plastic moulding on the silly-sized plug-end Microsoft provide so that you can use the optical too, if you need to.
24.8.2009 11:10 #31
why would anyone want to pay 299 for a faulty xbox-360 these things still suffer with the RROD. i would be very weary of purchasing any xbox-360 because of this hardware fault which has not been fixed yet. playstation 3 is the way to go.
24.8.2009 12:02 #32
Originally posted by zenno: why would anyone want to pay 299 for a faulty xbox-360 these things still suffer with the RROD.
i would be very weary of purchasing any xbox-360 because of this hardware fault which has not been fixed yet.Ok, then prove it.
You're the one making the claim that the latest Xbox has not been fixed so go ahead and prove that.
Show us all what (current) credible data you are basing this on.
Prove that the current Xbox SKU (the Jasper) has a reliability rate worse than the PS3.
You can't..... so what are you basing this on?
Prejudice or out-dated info on the much old Xbox SKU?
Originally posted by zenno: playstation 3 is the way to go.Yeah sure it is - if you want less games to play and less games with a high meritocratic score.
24.8.2009 12:08 #33
The really interesting bit to this that flyer nobody seems to be picking up on yet is, for me, the 'quantities limited' part.
So we know for sure now that they are chopping the Elite price to that of the old Pro - but how long is the Elite (in it's current form) going to be around?
Is a new SKU with a much bigger HDD on the way?
24.8.2009 12:13 #34
quote by interstx: Ok, then prove it.
You're the one making the claim that the latest Xbox has not been fixed so go ahead and prove that.
well all i can say to you is look for xbox-360 elite edition forums about this fault in a week or two and your proof will be there. don't get me wrong the xbox-360 is a great gaming machine when it works i had one before. but as i have been told this fault is still very much in the elite set.
24.8.2009 13:05 #35
Originally posted by zenno: Quote:interstx Ok, then prove it.
You're the one making the claim that the latest Xbox has not been fixed so go ahead and prove that.
well all i can say to you is look for xbox-360 elite edition forums about this fault in a week or two and your proof will be there. don't get me wrong the xbox-360 is a great gaming machine when it works i had one before. but as i have been told this fault is still very much in the elite set.dejavu
24.8.2009 13:48 #36
Originally posted by zenno: well all i can say to you is look for xbox-360 elite edition forums about this fault in a week or two and your proof will be there. Originally posted by DXR88: dejavuYeah of course it's de ja vu.
This is another person who thinks anecdote is proof.
Sorry but it just isn't.
All i'm saying is if you're going to claim that Falcon and Jasper are no better than Xbox originally was then prove it.
If you think it is better but still deeply flawed then I#d like to see some evidence instead of mere opinion.
24.8.2009 14:47 #37
Quote:Originally posted by zenno: well all i can say to you is look for xbox-360 elite edition forums about this fault in a week or two and your proof will be there. Originally posted by DXR88: dejavuYeah of course it's de ja vu.
This is another person who thinks anecdote is proof.
Sorry but it just isn't.
All i'm saying is if you're going to claim that Falcon and Jasper are no better than Xbox originally was then prove it.
If you think it is better but still deeply flawed then I#d like to see some evidence instead of mere opinion.with al due respect to zenno, when people say xbox360 they generally think failure rates of the xbox community as a whole and as a whole failure rates are still to high yes the falcon and jasper have done remarkably well at heat reduction. they are still prone to failure just not as great.
what bugs me is there are well known techniques to fix issue with all SKU's why then is MS being cheap in there repair program. for 150 dollars some tools and time i can make a first gen box practically fail proof,why can't they.
24.8.2009 14:59 #38
I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.
25.8.2009 02:06 #39
Originally posted by chris4160: You do realise the elite has the exact same hardware as the other xbox's, right?Of course they are
(did I ever say otherwise?).
This means they are all now the Jasper mobo SKUs
(and just before that the Falcon mobo SKU).
As for proof things have gotten much much better than they were originally one only has to look at the hardware.
Smaller CPU & GPU (people often overlook the fact that Falcon too had a smaller cooler running GPU, shrunk from 90nm to 80nm) & RAM with lower power consumption and better cooling systems.
The greatest amount of proof comes from the complete drying up of all the horror stories.
The best that can now be managed is the sort of laughable '54.2%!' nonsense following a 'survey'.
Self-selecting & unverified (and completely unverifiable).......and just by the most amazing and incredible coincidence timed to appear just as the PS3 slim hits.
Can you say 'cynical manipulation for the gullible'?
25.8.2009 11:05 #40
The HDD's are what really need the price drop imo. And the elite really shouldn't have been THAT much more than the standard models in the first place considering the only hardware differences is the HDD size and the color if you would consider that under hardware.
Originally posted by chris4160: Omfg, if you don't know anything about the topic at hand than don't post! Elite has a 120gb hard drive, if you knew anything about the xbox you would know that. Seriously, ps3 owners stick to their news and xbox 360 owners will stick to theirs (I can go to both since I have all systems). Comments like SDF's starts flame wars.Considering what you posted in one of the recent ps3 news articles I gotta call BS. Even a staff member remarked on how over the top it was. I'd have to agree with kikzm33z and say I'd expect more from a senior member.
26.8.2009 19:55 #41
I am deeply sorry for my actions, I was out of place and I hope you accept my sincere apology.
27.8.2009 01:45 #42
It still seems a bit pricey, im not trying to get into a battle over ps3 versus xbox. The majority of my friends have xbox, and they have all had the red ring of death atleast once, but covered under warrantly and replaced as they should be. But 300 dollars for a machine simply for graphics is a bit pricey, i recently really want one to play my friends in games like halo that dont come on ps3. And so i can watch netflix through my tv.
I dont care if you love xbox or ps3 or hate either one. Facts are facts, they both have good and bad things about them. But it is easier to justify spending more money on a ps3.
A ps3 is more realiable, as a recent survery done by a popular game magazine had 49 percent of its readers responding that they had the red ring of death. A ps3 has blueray, which beat out HDDVD, so if you want a hard copy, thats all you can do right now. Also it has built in Wifi, and bluetooth, xbox doesnt. And it is way easier and cheaper to upgrade the hd of a ps3 than an xbox, i have a 400gb in mine which i spent 90 dollars on through newegg and backed up all my old game data and installed it on the new one in less than half an hour. A 120gb hd from xbox is 100 atleast.
Now xbox has a better game selection and more star hits, and the netflix option, which is great. I wish it didnt cost money for a membership like ps3, but its network is slightly better than ps3.
So it comes down to this, is the processor of the xbox really worth $300 because thats really the only new tech in it. And i say the same thing about Wii. Its similar to why much of our american car companys are in the shitter, they were charging way to much for cars that werent as realiable or cost effective as their opponents, and they paid there employees way more than they should have. The true resource construction cost of the average automobile is under 1,000 USD. So u can see how companies embellish prices far higher than they need to be.
Xbox makes a killing of there systems because there cheap and really only has great graphics for new tech. But ofcourse a still want one, its a good system with good games and online capabilities, but it shouldnt cost more than $250.
27.8.2009 18:02 #43
