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Apple OS X beats out Windows Vista in usage

According to the most recent data from NetApplications, it appears that Mac OS X has surpassed Windows Vista in terms of global web usage.

For August, Vista fell to 6.15 percent. On the other hand, Apple's latest, 10.8 Mountain Lion, quickly grew to 1.34 percent. OS X 10.7 Lion, remained steady at 2.29 percent, as Snow Leopard at 2.23 percent and Leopard at 0.65 percent.



Altogether, the share clocked in at 6.51 percent just beating out Vista, which has mostly been left for dead by Microsoft. The figure did not include the iPad or iPhone usage, which combine for 5.8 percent.

Windows 7 beat out its ancient cousin, Windows XP, for the first time ever, taking 38.54 percent. XP came in at 38.46 percent.

Windows 8, which has been released in a few betas, and also leaked in its retail version to P2P sites, came in at 0.21 percent. That number is expected to jump to 10 percent, at least, by the end of the year.

Full data here: NetApp

Written by: Andre Yoskowitz @ 3 Sep 2012 16:22

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• bobiroc

  So all versions of OS X made (and still in use) in the last 12 years beat out one version of Windows that was only around for about 3 years? What an amazing achievement.
  

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  3.9.2012 19:17 #1

• mitcho89

  Hahahaha. Congratulations Apple, on finally having your 4 most recent OS versions combine to beat out usage of one OS that was released nearly 6 years ago (and has since had a new version released 3 years ago).
  
  Good luck Apple, boy have you got an uphill battle ahead of you.

  3.9.2012 20:21 #2

• LordRuss

  wow... It took Apple how long to beat out a version of Windows that even Windows users gave up on some 5-6 years ago?
  
  That's like me getting into a foot race with a dead horse & alerting the press to my victory.
  

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  4.9.2012 11:14 #3

• Picazzo

  Give me a break....LOL...Microsoft owns 98% of the business market.....dont bring a toy to a network party....Oh yeah I highly recommend running OS X in a business environment...NOT!

  4.9.2012 15:08 #4

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by Picazzo: Give me a break....LOL...Microsoft owns 98% of the business market.....dont bring a toy to a network party....Oh yeah I highly recommend running OS X in a business environment...NOT! For good reason too. Windows is very flexible and works well in both business/enterprise environments as well as personal/consumer environments. With every OSX update Apple seems to make it harder and harder to use their products outside of the individualized consumer arena unless you want to invest money into 3rd party utilities and management solutions all of which Microsoft provides right out of the box or can be found for free or cheap.
  

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  4.9.2012 15:14 #5

• SeventhSon

  Ok. Let me get this straight. Apple dominate the phone, tablet and music player markets because people are stupid. Windows dominates the desktop market because people are ... what?
  

  4.9.2012 16:16 #6

• Picazzo

  Originally posted by bobiroc: Originally posted by Picazzo: Give me a break....LOL...Microsoft owns 98% of the business market.....dont bring a toy to a network party....Oh yeah I highly recommend running OS X in a business environment...NOT! For good reason too. Windows is very flexible and works well in both business/enterprise environments as well as personal/consumer environments. With every OSX update Apple seems to make it harder and harder to use their products outside of the individualized consumer arena unless you want to invest money into 3rd party utilities and management solutions all of which Microsoft provides right out of the box or can be found for free or cheap. Amen to that my brotha !

  4.9.2012 16:17 #7

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by SeventhSon: Ok. Let me get this straight. Apple dominate the phone, tablet and music player markets because people are stupid. Windows dominates the desktop market because people are ... what? Because people want their computer to not work like some simple gadget with simplified apps that you can do little to no multitasking or work efficiently on
  

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  4.9.2012 16:26 #8

• SeventhSon

  Originally posted by bobiroc: Originally posted by SeventhSon: Ok. Let me get this straight. Apple dominate the phone, tablet and music player markets because people are stupid. Windows dominates the desktop market because people are ... what? Because people want their computer to not work like some simple gadget with simplified apps that you can do little to no multitasking or work efficiently on
  Er, that would explain why people buy PCs rather than iPhones/iPads. The question is, why don't they buy Macs if they are supposedly stupid and transfixed by the cult of Apple?
  
  

  4.9.2012 17:37 #9

• ddp

  because macs are overpriced & not have the software & possible hardware capabilities of windows computers do.
  

  4.9.2012 18:05 #10

• JST1946

  If I'm not mistaken the Apple Lisa was the first computer to come out with drop down menus in the 1980's. Just adding my 2 cents.
  

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  4.9.2012 18:20 #11

• ddp

  & the lisa was the forerunner of the mac.
  

  4.9.2012 18:48 #12

• JST1946

  That's a 10-4 Rubber Ducky.That was one of the first computers I was trained on when I was working in California.
  

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  4.9.2012 19:19 #13

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by SeventhSon: Originally posted by bobiroc: Originally posted by SeventhSon: Ok. Let me get this straight. Apple dominate the phone, tablet and music player markets because people are stupid. Windows dominates the desktop market because people are ... what? Because people want their computer to not work like some simple gadget with simplified apps that you can do little to no multitasking or work efficiently on
  Er, that would explain why people buy PCs rather than iPhones/iPads. The question is, why don't they buy Macs if they are supposedly stupid and transfixed by the cult of Apple?
  Because it is easier to walk around with your iPhone or iPad with the shiny apple logo sticking out like it is some sort of status symbol. Apple's gadgets are more competively priced too and while many people are blinded by the Apple marketing hype some still are not fooled into buying a $1500 - $3000 Apple computer that they can get for $600 - $1800 in the form of a PC (and in most cases similar quality). Applications and Programs are different than Apps.
  

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  4.9.2012 21:06 #14

• ddp

  cannot even upgrade\repair their new laptops with ram & hard drive as theirs is part of the motherboard.
  

  4.9.2012 21:53 #15

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by ddp: cannot even upgrade\repair their new laptops with ram & hard drive as theirs is part of the motherboard. That is the Apple Way. You don't upgrade you replace. What I find funny is when tech companies of the past did things like lock down their systems and make it impossible to upgrade or use other technologies other than what the company made themselves they were investigated for being anticompetitive. When Apple does it is considered innovation. There is no reason that they need to make items like the RAM, Hard Drive/SSD, battery non removable and non user replaceable other than to charge exorbitant prices for repair or force the person to completely replace the device because it cannot be upgraded.
  

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  4.9.2012 22:07 #16

• aeonstom0

  I don't understand why the Author of this article would even bring this to our Golden Attention. Maybe hes a Apple FanBoy, lol lol lol lol lol
  

  5.9.2012 01:48 #17

• LordRuss

  Originally posted by JST1946: If I'm not mistaken the Apple Lisa was the first computer to come out with drop down menus in the 1980's. Just adding my 2 cents.
  It was the only 'act' going when I was a layout artist in Chicago too, but that didn't necessarily make them the 'best' act to follow. Just saying...
  

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  5.9.2012 10:50 #18

• Interestx

  Originally posted by SeventhSon: Ok. Let me get this straight. Apple dominate the phone, tablet and music player markets Do they really?
  
  Last I saw Android phones 'dominated' the smart phone market.
  
  The tablet market is in its infancy and Android tablets are catching up fast.
  
  Music players.....well, that's now all about streaming PCs, game consoles, phones (ie the Android 'dominated' market) & media players which is 'dominated' by things like WD HD Live TV.
  
  Not quite the 'domination' the Apple boys seem to claim as theirs.
  
  
  

  5.9.2012 21:27 #19

• SeventhSon

  Originally posted by Interestx: Originally posted by SeventhSon: Ok. Let me get this straight. Apple dominate the phone, tablet and music player markets Do they really?
  
  Last I saw Android phones 'dominated' the smart phone market.
  
  The tablet market is in its infancy and Android tablets are catching up fast.
  
  Music players.....well, that's now all about streaming PCs, game consoles, phones (ie the Android 'dominated' market) & media players which is 'dominated' by things like WD HD Live TV.
  
  Not quite the 'domination' the Apple boys seem to claim as theirs.
  
  Maybe that's why there are so many cool apps for android that you can't get on iOS. #sarcasm
  
  Bobiroc might be nearer the mark with his answer, but I don't think Apple was a status symbol when they first launched the iPod or even the iPhone. I think if Commodore or Atari had produced the post-PC products Apple did we would now be talking of them as a fashionable brand etc. The products made the brand.
  
  
  
  

  6.9.2012 17:16 #20

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by SeventhSon: Originally posted by Interestx: Originally posted by SeventhSon: Ok. Let me get this straight. Apple dominate the phone, tablet and music player markets Do they really?
  
  Last I saw Android phones 'dominated' the smart phone market.
  
  The tablet market is in its infancy and Android tablets are catching up fast.
  
  Music players.....well, that's now all about streaming PCs, game consoles, phones (ie the Android 'dominated' market) & media players which is 'dominated' by things like WD HD Live TV.
  
  Not quite the 'domination' the Apple boys seem to claim as theirs.
  
  Maybe that's why there are so many cool apps for android that you can't get on iOS. #sarcasm
  
  Bobiroc might be nearer the mark with his answer, but I don't think Apple was a status symbol when they first launched the iPod or even the iPhone. I think if Commodore or Atari had produced the post-PC products Apple did we would now be talking of them as a fashionable brand etc. The products made the brand.
  
  
  To many Apple Computers and products have always been thought of elite high end products and in some ways they were and still are. I make my "status symbol" commentary based on observations of how many Apple owners and fanboys act regarding Apple products. I have literally seen people pick out cases for their iGadgets that will allow the Apple logo to be seen through because people say they want others to know it is an Apple iGadget and not some cheap knockoff. I have had people tell me that.
  

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  6.9.2012 20:27 #21

• Interestx

  Originally posted by SeventhSon: Maybe that's why there are so many cool apps for android that you can't get on iOS. #sarcasm No need to be sarcastic about it, the fact is if you look at it the other way around Apple offer nothing you can't get on Android.
  Usually much cheaper too.
  
  But you're the one who came off with that ridiculous 'domination' BS.
  I merely laughed & pointed out that it is nothing of the sort for Apple.
  Android is accelerating away off into the distance as far as phone OS are concerned.
  
  Better specs, better prices......and you don't have to label yourself as a fashion-victim putting up with 2nd rate inferior products just because you're blinded by a label (as bobiroc so rightly points out).
  
  The whole label/snob thing is ludicrous anyways seeing as the i (whatever) is invariably crammed full of Samsung, LG and a host of no-name Chinese components.
  

  6.9.2012 20:56 #22

• xboxd00d

  Once u try a mac, u don't go back!
  Been on OS X for 2 years now, and rarely boot up win7 partition, most things I use on pc have a mac alternative.
  Speed and stability over slight flexibility any day for me!
  

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  7.9.2012 08:19 #23

• salsa36

  It's just better, extremely stable and loaded with everything you might need

  7.9.2012 09:59 #24

• plazma247

  @xboxd00d and @salsa36, thanks for giving me a good laugh.
  
  Windows 7 on decent hardware is also extremely stable, so is modern linux distros, whats the point there.
  
  However I agree if someone tries to save a few $$$ buy using substandard pc parts/ram especially they get what they paid for, still if they didnt have the money at least they had a choice of a cheaper option.
  
  Speed, you do realise its an intel cpu in there and it got no quicker because of the fruity logo on the box.
  
  Now time for some linux loving, its not as if most things i use on windows/mac does not normally have a linux alternative.
  
  Its a shame really that apple got so anal about people building hackintosh machines (even though many people were paying for a licence), maybe they would have more of a market share.
  
  Instead they got pissy about lost revenue because people were getting the same end result (spec hardware) for a load less money.
  
  Dont get me wrong ive not got it in for apple machines, more so their bloated price and some of the miss conceptions of some of their user base.
  
  As for the news article, its it hardly surprising considering every machine vista machine ive seen was upgraded at one point or another to windows 7, come to think of it so were most of the xp machines.
  
  Must be a very slow news day, but its funny watching the the ifans harp in, i agree with aeonstom0 completely.

  7.9.2012 11:09 #25

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by plazma247: @xboxd00d and @salsa36, thanks for giving me a good laugh.
  
  Windows 7 on decent hardware is also extremely stable, so is modern linux distros, whats the point there.
  
  However I agree if someone tries to save a few $$$ buy using substandard pc parts/ram especially they get what they paid for, still if they didnt have the money at least they had a choice of a cheaper option.
  
  Speed, you do realise its an intel cpu in there and it got no quicker because of the fruity logo on the box.
  
  Now time for some linux loving, its not as if most things i use on windows/mac does not normally have a linux alternative.
  
  Its a shame really that apple got so anal about people building hackintosh machines (even though many people were paying for a licence), maybe they would have more of a market share.
  
  Instead they got pissy about lost revenue because people were getting the same end result (spec hardware) for a load less money.
  
  Dont get me wrong ive not got it in for apple machines, more so their bloated price and some of the miss conceptions of some of their user base.
  
  As for the news article, its it hardly surprising considering every machine vista machine ive seen was upgraded at one point or another to windows 7, come to think of it so were most of the xp machines.
  
  Must be a very slow news day, but its funny watching the the ifans harp in, i agree with aeonstom0 completely. Exactly. I use a MacBook Pro for work because I have MacOS clients to support in my environment but only go into MacOS if there is a specific MacOS task I need to do or test. I also find Windows 7 runs faster and smoother on that MacBook pro than OS X does and is a hell of a lot more flexible and easier to manage.
  
  That being said MacOS is a good OS for consumers or individuals but sucks in any network environment or enterprise level environment where you have many users trying to use the same computer throughout the day or if you have to manage the systems on the back end. Many organizations do not want to spend thousands on 3rd party utilities to do what you can do with Windows Desktop and Windows Server right out of the box.
  

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  7.9.2012 11:15 #26

• xboxd00d

  Originally posted by plazma247: @xboxd00d and @salsa36, thanks for giving me a good laugh.
  
  Windows 7 on decent hardware is also extremely stable, so is modern linux distros, whats the point there
  . so your telling me the hardware is responsible for windows 7 being unstable?
  And that delightful [not responding] written at the top of the program that has borked under the windows environment is hardware?
  Lol, I've heard it all now!
  FYI I have a pretty decent acer laptop which has win7 and snow leopard on, and the hackintosh side is very stable (even tho it's a hackbook), it boots up fast, works flawlessly, shuts down almost instantly, and the win 7 side, well, turn it on, go do something while it wakes up, then wait a bit more, it does my head in!
  Lol, let's hope win8 is any good!
  

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  7.9.2012 13:18 #27

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by plazma247: @xboxd00d and @salsa36, thanks for giving me a good laugh.
  
  Windows 7 on decent hardware is also extremely stable, so is modern linux distros, whats the point there
  . so your telling me the hardware is responsible for windows 7 being unstable?
  ABSOLUTELY! If an OEM uses cheap power supplies or ram ,for example, it ABSOLUTELY can cause instability. That is the problem when many people buy the $300 - $400 specials when it comes to computers. Most OEMs have mid-high end models that use better hardware but if you choose low end expect low end performance and reliability. I have serviced many custom builds of people that chose cheap parts too and taking the same Windows on a machine built with quality is a whole different experience.
  
  Also if people could keep their machines free from CrapWare that would help quite a bit too.
  

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  7.9.2012 13:27 #28

• plazma247

  Quote:
  so your telling me the hardware is responsible for windows 7 being unstable?
  And that delightful [not responding] written at the top of the program that has borked under the windows environment is hardware?
  Lol, I've heard it all now!
  Not entirely, but its normally the cause of most core stability issues, as ever badly written apps and bad drivers will cause issues on any platform.
  
  Quote:
  FYI I have a pretty decent acer laptop which has win7 and snow leopard on
  So you broke the eul then.. that to the side, yes sadly in pc land manufactures decide to install a big bag full of crap you dont need and frequently send out systems with old drivers, because thats the last version they customised to stick their name on. Strip out all the crap, use hibernate properly and its not all bad.
  
  Yeah windows boots slower from cold, meh, stick and SSD in, job done.

  7.9.2012 13:30 #29

• aldan

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by plazma247: @xboxd00d and @salsa36, thanks for giving me a good laugh.
  
  Windows 7 on decent hardware is also extremely stable, so is modern linux distros, whats the point there
  . so your telling me the hardware is responsible for windows 7 being unstable?
  And that delightful [not responding] written at the top of the program that has borked under the windows environment is hardware?
  Lol, I've heard it all now!
  FYI I have a pretty decent acer laptop which has win7 and snow leopard on, and the hackintosh side is very stable (even tho it's a hackbook), it boots up fast, works flawlessly, shuts down almost instantly, and the win 7 side, well, turn it on, go do something while it wakes up, then wait a bit more, it does my head in!
  Lol, let's hope win8 is any good! you might want to lay off the glue for awhile.dont know about mac os,but windows 7 is both fast and stable.if you are having problems i wouldnt be blaming the os,thats for sure.when i see people having problems with it,often it comes down to hardware or just plain user stupidity.hard to blame ms for that.not saying you are stupid,just mistaken.
  

  7.9.2012 13:35 #30

• voyager

  Vista is just a dying os, what a shame.

  7.9.2012 15:19 #31

• xboxd00d

  To clarify, the laptop in question was the equivalent of $1000+ and is intel based dual core 3gb ddr2 crappy intel graphics (although dedicated so good windows score for aero etc) hdd irrelivant extended keyboard etc, and the windows 7 installation was straight from the retail DVD, my experience with computers goes back to 1998 when I first got 1, and back when windows 98 needed dos prompt booting from floppy disk to partition and install etc (not the self booting DVDs of today with fairy steps so anybody who can read has the ability to install the os), built, repaired sooooo many computers i have well and truly lost count, and creating the hackbook was the hardest thing to do as the install never goes smoothly but the challenge of learning a new system was interesting and well worth it, so all that said, I have alot of experience and know enough to know how unstable windows has been over the years, and the last good windows ever made was xp.
  
  As for using expensive parts, I recently built a pc for someone who wanted something quality and powerful, so I put expensive parts in as requested, an i7 CPU, 6gb ram, 1tb hdd and win7 x64, and when I gave it to him it was really quick but within a month or so it started to lagg up, everything was upto date inc av and it's got no Trojans or malware on, its just win7 been rubbish, so I restored the ghost image an got it running perfect again.
  Conclusion, ghost is a life saver!!
  

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  7.9.2012 15:19 #32

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: To clarify, the laptop in question was the equivalent of $1000+ and is intel based dual core 3gb ddr2 crappy intel graphics (although dedicated so good windows score for aero etc) hdd irrelivant extended keyboard etc, and the windows 7 installation was straight from the retail DVD, my experience with computers goes back to 1998 when I first got 1, and back when windows 98 needed dos prompt booting from floppy disk to partition and install etc (not the self booting DVDs of today with fairy steps so anybody who can read has the ability to install the os), built, repaired sooooo many computers i have well and truly lost count, and creating the hackbook was the hardest thing to do as the install never goes smoothly but the challenge of learning a new system was interesting and well worth it, so all that said, I have alot of experience and know enough to know how unstable windows has been over the years, and the last good windows ever made was xp.
  
  As for using expensive parts, I recently built a pc for someone who wanted something quality and powerful, so I put expensive parts in as requested, an i7 CPU, 6gb ram, 1tb hdd and win7 x64, and when I gave it to him it was really quick but within a month or so it started to lagg up, everything was upto date inc av and it's got no Trojans or malware on, its just win7 been rubbish, so I restored the ghost image an got it running perfect again.
  Conclusion, ghost is a life saver!! All the way back to Windows 98 huh? Such a veteran you are. Brand choice of Motherboard, RAM, PSU and other major components goes into factor not just the CPU amount of Ram and size of Hard drive. I have been building PCs for myself and others since the late 80s before building your own PC was cool and find that quality varies from brand to brand and sometimes models within that brand. Too many people are tempted by a cheaper motherboard because it has the same features as a more expensive one but it uses cheaper components for capacitors and poor manufacturing. Now Windows is not free from issues but from my experience since 2000/XP Windows has been very stable and runs well and Windows 7 blows XP away in terms of stability and performance.
  
  I have a saying that for every error you blame on the computer you will find at least two human errors including the error of blaming it on the computer in the first place.
  

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  7.9.2012 15:59 #33

• xboxd00d

  Originally posted by bobiroc: Originally posted by xboxd00d: To clarify, the laptop in question was the equivalent of $1000+ and is intel based dual core 3gb ddr2 crappy intel graphics (although dedicated so good windows score for aero etc) hdd irrelivant extended keyboard etc, and the windows 7 installation was straight from the retail DVD, my experience with computers goes back to 1998 when I first got 1, and back when windows 98 needed dos prompt booting from floppy disk to partition and install etc (not the self booting DVDs of today with fairy steps so anybody who can read has the ability to install the os), built, repaired sooooo many computers i have well and truly lost count, and creating the hackbook was the hardest thing to do as the install never goes smoothly but the challenge of learning a new system was interesting and well worth it, so all that said, I have alot of experience and know enough to know how unstable windows has been over the years, and the last good windows ever made was xp.
  
  As for using expensive parts, I recently built a pc for someone who wanted something quality and powerful, so I put expensive parts in as requested, an i7 CPU, 6gb ram, 1tb hdd and win7 x64, and when I gave it to him it was really quick but within a month or so it started to lagg up, everything was upto date inc av and it's got no Trojans or malware on, its just win7 been rubbish, so I restored the ghost image an got it running perfect again.
  Conclusion, ghost is a life saver!! All the way back to Windows 98 huh? Such a veteran you are. Brand choice of Motherboard, RAM, PSU and other major components goes into factor not just the CPU amount of Ram and size of Hard drive. I have been building PCs for myself and others since the late 80s before building your own PC was cool and find that quality varies from brand to brand and sometimes models within that brand. Too many people are tempted by a cheaper motherboard because it has the same features as a more expensive one but it uses cheaper components for capacitors and poor manufacturing. Now Windows is not free from issues but from my experience since 2000/XP Windows has been very stable and runs well and Windows 7 blows XP away in terms of stability and performance.
  
  I have a saying that for every error you blame on the computer you will find at least two human errors including the error of blaming it on the computer in the first place.
  Ram was crucial I think, can't remember mobo, possibly gigabyte.
  
  I like your saying by the way, out of all the repair jobs I have done in the past alot of em where human error causing the problem!!
  
  

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  7.9.2012 17:20 #34

• SeventhSon

  I also run Osx and Windows 7 side by side on my MacBook and have to agree that Windows 7 is just as smooth and stable as Osx. I can get by without a virus checker on OSx but other than that it is just personal preferance. I hope Microsoft don't screw things up with Windows 8.
  
  Interestx, some of us have no interest in porn.

  7.9.2012 17:56 #35

• Interestx

  Originally posted by SeventhSon: Interestx, some of us have no interest in porn. .....and you come out with this because....?
  
  
  

  7.9.2012 19:45 #36

• ddp

  because he does?
  

  7.9.2012 20:21 #37

• aldan

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by bobiroc: Originally posted by xboxd00d: To clarify, the laptop in question was the equivalent of $1000+ and is intel based dual core 3gb ddr2 crappy intel graphics (although dedicated so good windows score for aero etc) hdd irrelivant extended keyboard etc, and the windows 7 installation was straight from the retail DVD, my experience with computers goes back to 1998 when I first got 1, and back when windows 98 needed dos prompt booting from floppy disk to partition and install etc (not the self booting DVDs of today with fairy steps so anybody who can read has the ability to install the os), built, repaired sooooo many computers i have well and truly lost count, and creating the hackbook was the hardest thing to do as the install never goes smoothly but the challenge of learning a new system was interesting and well worth it, so all that said, I have alot of experience and know enough to know how unstable windows has been over the years, and the last good windows ever made was xp.
  
  As for using expensive parts, I recently built a pc for someone who wanted something quality and powerful, so I put expensive parts in as requested, an i7 CPU, 6gb ram, 1tb hdd and win7 x64, and when I gave it to him it was really quick but within a month or so it started to lagg up, everything was upto date inc av and it's got no Trojans or malware on, its just win7 been rubbish, so I restored the ghost image an got it running perfect again.
  Conclusion, ghost is a life saver!! All the way back to Windows 98 huh? Such a veteran you are. Brand choice of Motherboard, RAM, PSU and other major components goes into factor not just the CPU amount of Ram and size of Hard drive. I have been building PCs for myself and others since the late 80s before building your own PC was cool and find that quality varies from brand to brand and sometimes models within that brand. Too many people are tempted by a cheaper motherboard because it has the same features as a more expensive one but it uses cheaper components for capacitors and poor manufacturing. Now Windows is not free from issues but from my experience since 2000/XP Windows has been very stable and runs well and Windows 7 blows XP away in terms of stability and performance.
  
  I have a saying that for every error you blame on the computer you will find at least two human errors including the error of blaming it on the computer in the first place.
  Ram was crucial I think, can't remember mobo, possibly gigabyte.
  
  I like your saying by the way, out of all the repair jobs I have done in the past alot of em where human error causing the problem!!
  and i think i have made most of those errors.lol.
  

  7.9.2012 21:35 #38

• kfir1

  why is this guy, Andre Yoskowitz, still working for Afterdawn or contributing to Afterdawn articles. Clearly he just came out of a CAVE.

  8.9.2012 00:02 #39

• LordRuss

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: Once u try a mac, u don't go back!
  Been on OS X for 2 years now, and rarely boot up win7 partition, most things I use on pc have a mac alternative.
  Speed and stability over slight flexibility any day for me!
  Hell! Paint it red! That'll make it go faster!
  

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  9.9.2012 15:09 #40

• kfir1

  Originally posted by LordRuss: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Once u try a mac, u don't go back!
  Been on OS X for 2 years now, and rarely boot up win7 partition, most things I use on pc have a mac alternative.
  Speed and stability over slight flexibility any day for me!
  Hell! Paint it red! That'll make it go faster! xboxd00d ... Think WORLD WIDE ... not home use.

  9.9.2012 22:53 #41

• xboxd00d

  Originally posted by kfir1: Originally posted by LordRuss: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Once u try a mac, u don't go back!
  Been on OS X for 2 years now, and rarely boot up win7 partition, most things I use on pc have a mac alternative.
  Speed and stability over slight flexibility any day for me!
  Hell! Paint it red! That'll make it go faster! xboxd00d ... Think WORLD WIDE ... not home use. I don't know what u mean "think world wide", if u r referring to mac os x in a business environment I can't, my job is outdoor and I've never worked in an office, I can only comment on my own personal experiences, and if mac os x was not as suitable for office use (which I find hard to believe), then of course windows would be the better choice, hell I wouldn't use a wrench to put a nail in!
  So my view was simply mac os x has been solid as a rock (even a hackintosh) for 2 years now and I've had 14 years of windows crashing and needing reinstalling!
  

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  10.9.2012 03:09 #42

• kfir1

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by kfir1: Originally posted by LordRuss: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Once u try a mac, u don't go back!
  Been on OS X for 2 years now, and rarely boot up win7 partition, most things I use on pc have a mac alternative.
  Speed and stability over slight flexibility any day for me!
  Hell! Paint it red! That'll make it go faster! xboxd00d ... Think WORLD WIDE ... not home use. I don't know what u mean "think world wide", if u r referring to mac os x in a business environment I can't, my job is outdoor and I've never worked in an office, I can only comment on my own personal experiences, and if mac os x was not as suitable for office use (which I find hard to believe), then of course windows would be the better choice, hell I wouldn't use a wrench to put a nail in!
  So my view was simply mac os x has been solid as a rock (even a hackintosh) for 2 years now and I've had 14 years of windows crashing and needing reinstalling! Dude!! you have to accept the "TRUTH". Don't be in denial again. We had this conversation before. Windows and linux rules the world. Mac OS is not the standard. Never was.

  10.9.2012 04:11 #43

• xboxd00d

  Originally posted by kfir1: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by kfir1: Originally posted by LordRuss: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Once u try a mac, u don't go back!
  Been on OS X for 2 years now, and rarely boot up win7 partition, most things I use on pc have a mac alternative.
  Speed and stability over slight flexibility any day for me!
  Hell! Paint it red! That'll make it go faster! xboxd00d ... Think WORLD WIDE ... not home use. I don't know what u mean "think world wide", if u r referring to mac os x in a business environment I can't, my job is outdoor and I've never worked in an office, I can only comment on my own personal experiences, and if mac os x was not as suitable for office use (which I find hard to believe), then of course windows would be the better choice, hell I wouldn't use a wrench to put a nail in!
  So my view was simply mac os x has been solid as a rock (even a hackintosh) for 2 years now and I've had 14 years of windows crashing and needing reinstalling! Dude!! you have to accept the "TRUTH". Don't be in denial again. We had this conversation before. Windows and linux rules the world. Mac OS is not the standard. Never was. I will agree Linux distro's r cool, I tried quite a few and used Ubuntu for a long time.
  And the last thing I am is in denial, I just call like I see it!
  If apple suddenly folds on mac os x and all products it sells with it on I will gladly hold my hands up an say "well, I guess I was wrong after all", back in 2005 when I created my afterdawn account I was raving about the original Xbox (hence my username) and I thought the ps2 was rubbish, but as time went by I moved back to Sony cos the ps3 was better (for me), so I reckon it's a waiting game to see how it goes!
  

  "Trying is the first step towards Failure" Homer.J.Simpson

  10.9.2012 08:19 #44

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: I've had 14 years of windows crashing and needing reinstalling! See I have always found this funny. While I have done more than my fair share of reinstalling Windows for clients I ran XP on two separate systems over about 10 years that both never needed a reinstall and the same goes for the System I had with Vista and now the one I have with Win7 which I did do a reinstall just because I replaced my Hard Drive with an SSD and since the SSD was a bit smaller than my OS drive I did not want any imaging/cloning issues. My point is that many times when the issues are blamed on the Operating System it is often some third party issue of other software, hardware or simply the user of the computer. I guess that is why I build machines for my family and close friends all of which rarely call me like they used to with some OEM computer that came improperly set up from the factory. Of course years of some OEMs putting low end computers loaded with many crApplications did not help either. I cannot tell you how many machines I have worked on over the years that run 1000 times better once they were cleaned up from the OEM installed crApplications and simply set up properly and securely.
  
  Windows has been a solid OS since 2000/XP and while not issue free it is no better than MacOS in terms of Stability as I have been using Windows since 2.0 and MacOS since System 6 and supporting them over the years. Less Macs = Less reported problems and less user base to screw things up.
  

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  10.9.2012 09:41 #45

• kfir1

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by kfir1: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by kfir1: Originally posted by LordRuss: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Once u try a mac, u don't go back!
  Been on OS X for 2 years now, and rarely boot up win7 partition, most things I use on pc have a mac alternative.
  Speed and stability over slight flexibility any day for me!
  Hell! Paint it red! That'll make it go faster! xboxd00d ... Think WORLD WIDE ... not home use. I don't know what u mean "think world wide", if u r referring to mac os x in a business environment I can't, my job is outdoor and I've never worked in an office, I can only comment on my own personal experiences, and if mac os x was not as suitable for office use (which I find hard to believe), then of course windows would be the better choice, hell I wouldn't use a wrench to put a nail in!
  So my view was simply mac os x has been solid as a rock (even a hackintosh) for 2 years now and I've had 14 years of windows crashing and needing reinstalling! Dude!! you have to accept the "TRUTH". Don't be in denial again. We had this conversation before. Windows and linux rules the world. Mac OS is not the standard. Never was. I will agree Linux distro's r cool, I tried quite a few and used Ubuntu for a long time.
  And the last thing I am is in denial, I just call like I see it!
  If apple suddenly folds on mac os x and all products it sells with it on I will gladly hold my hands up an say "well, I guess I was wrong after all", back in 2005 when I created my afterdawn account I was raving about the original Xbox (hence my username) and I thought the ps2 was rubbish, but as time went by I moved back to Sony cos the ps3 was better (for me), so I reckon it's a waiting game to see how it goes! I have XBOX,PS3, and Nintendo. Love them all. I have 2 kids:). Gaming systems are different issue.

  10.9.2012 09:41 #46

• xboxd00d

  Originally posted by kfir1: ]
  I have XBOX,PS3, and Nintendo. Love them all. I have 2 kids:). Gaming systems are different issue. Yea I know consoles totally different issue, just used that as an example that I don't have any loyalty towards any brand/company, and just go with what I like!
  
  @bobiroc, I agree the most problematic systems r the shop bought ones with all the bloatware they like to cram on there, but I always install oem and over a period of everyday use they still seem to gradually get slower and laggier to the point of restoring a ghost I made at the beginning to put em back on track, so while I still agree user error has alot to answer for, my pc still gets slower over time, general use, Internet browsing etc.
  

  "Trying is the first step towards Failure" Homer.J.Simpson

  10.9.2012 15:17 #47

• bobiroc

  Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by kfir1: ]
  I have XBOX,PS3, and Nintendo. Love them all. I have 2 kids:). Gaming systems are different issue. Yea I know consoles totally different issue, just used that as an example that I don't have any loyalty towards any brand/company, and just go with what I like!
  
  @bobiroc, I agree the most problematic systems r the shop bought ones with all the bloatware they like to cram on there, but I always install oem and over a period of everyday use they still seem to gradually get slower and laggier to the point of restoring a ghost I made at the beginning to put em back on track, so while I still agree user error has alot to answer for, my pc still gets slower over time, general use, Internet browsing etc. This was a problem with XP but find not really in Vista or 7. Now that Vista and 7 automatically do tasks such as defrag on a regular schedule this has become less of an issue and I really only see slowness over time on computers that mysteriously get tool bars and extras installed over time and removing those helps but using a utility to clean out the unneeded registry entries helps more to clean out the poisons from those crApplications. The point here is that programs with poor installers and poor uninstallers that do not remove all the stuff they add to Windows are a huge cause of the so called Windows Rot. Microsoft does not have the tight control that Apple does and limited software selection that Apple does. I did not really experience slowness over time with my XP machines as I maintained them well and now Windows does a better job of maintaining itself.
  
  
  

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  10.9.2012 15:55 #48

• xboxd00d

  Originally posted by bobiroc: Originally posted by xboxd00d: Originally posted by kfir1: ]
  I have XBOX,PS3, and Nintendo. Love them all. I have 2 kids:). Gaming systems are different issue. Yea I know consoles totally different issue, just used that as an example that I don't have any loyalty towards any brand/company, and just go with what I like!
  
  @bobiroc, I agree the most problematic systems r the shop bought ones with all the bloatware they like to cram on there, but I always install oem and over a period of everyday use they still seem to gradually get slower and laggier to the point of restoring a ghost I made at the beginning to put em back on track, so while I still agree user error has alot to answer for, my pc still gets slower over time, general use, Internet browsing etc. This was a problem with XP but find not really in Vista or 7. Now that Vista and 7 automatically do tasks such as defrag on a regular schedule this has become less of an issue and I really only see slowness over time on computers that mysteriously get tool bars and extras installed over time and removing those helps but using a utility to clean out the unneeded registry entries helps more to clean out the poisons from those crApplications. The point here is that programs with poor installers and poor uninstallers that do not remove all the stuff they add to Windows are a huge cause of the so called Windows Rot. Microsoft does not have the tight control that Apple does and limited software selection that Apple does. I did not really experience slowness over time with my XP machines as I maintained them well and now Windows does a better job of maintaining itself.
  
  Now here is a really odd thing, the worse case of slow booting an stuff I ever experienced was on xp pro, I'm talking 5 or 6 mins to fully boot up, then 2 or 3 mins to shutdown.
  With win7 I get around 2 to 3 min boot up which isn't too bad, a fresh win7 install was around 1m 45secs.
  Which brings me back to the hackintosh, 40 secs and it's ready to use (3 secs to shutdown), that's why I like it, I'm impatient, lol.
  

  "Trying is the first step towards Failure" Homer.J.Simpson

  10.9.2012 17:13 #49

• aldan

  that is a long time to boot.my old triple core processor with win 7 takes about 50sec.it shuts down in about 10sec.i dont know about mac but there are endless tweaks for windows to speed it up.
  

  10.9.2012 17:34 #50